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Title: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on September 25, 2006, 03:35:17 pm
 Next year I'm planning an extended roadtrip round europe. As it will be a long trip we are going to get us a van.
 Anyone had any experience of doing this before?
 Am looking for ideas on the best type of van to get , budget up to £10,000(will need someting powerful + narrow enough to get up dirt tracks to crags)? Deisel or petrol? Pre-made or self conversion?
 Any recomended place to find van?
 What are the pitfalls?
 Is your average van up to very cold temps, or is some winterisation needed?
 How much for insurance?
 Can contents be insured during trip, how pricey?
 Any ideas on extra security for contents?

 Tah
 Or any other pearls of wisdom?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Nibile on September 25, 2006, 03:43:33 pm
my opinion as a three year self converted ford transit owner.

the van will change your life. youll never get back to usual cars for trips.
anyway,
when travelling with the van, which is a 2.5 diesel, i never hurry.
i made insulation with a 2mm panel glued to the roof (high roof recommended, so you can stand inside) and the walls, and never suffered from the cold, even in cresciano winter. now im planning a wooden coverage of the interiors. you just need a good sleeping bag. the drawback, and thats why the wooden insulation, is that if its very cold, the breath during the night can condensate on the roof, causing a bit of guttage.
i have a two fires kitchen with sink, and the porta-potty.
and thats all.
its basic, but has plenty of room for two people, two crashpads with bags and everything, and can sleep with my 9.2 longboard inside, attached to the roof.

i suggest to search for the ones with the double tires in tha back, and perhaps turbo-diesel.
if i can i post a pic.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Nibile on September 25, 2006, 03:44:19 pm
Next year I'm planning an extended roadtrip round europe.
 

ps COME SOUTH.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on September 25, 2006, 04:06:50 pm
Cheers. Super vague itinerary so far is a month or so tradding round UK/Ireland June-July, then Ceuse for maybe a month, then some other French sport crags, then Rodellar and other north Spanish areas, when weather gets cooler head to magic wood/cresciano, then north Spanish sandstone, targason, then font. But will no doubt change plans a when I start researching what's really out there. Has Italy got any must-visit sport climbing/bouldering?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Nibile on September 25, 2006, 04:11:07 pm
do-lo-mi-tes.

for the bouldering, theres alot in few hours drive.
although i have to admit theres much more in font/albarracin.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on September 25, 2006, 04:23:49 pm
 Have been to Dolomites and loved it. Would dearly love to do the Brandler Hasse route! But not sure if we will be bringing muti-pitch trad gear. But it would make a nice change from all the bolt clipping. Hmmm  :-\
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: jfw on September 25, 2006, 04:51:30 pm
eh up jonboy

gib's van which i call ours, is a self converted vito (turbo diesel) and cost about £8,000 at the time (with nowt in it).

first we made (ok he made) a bed unit, that folds up into a seat (grey area of legality - not as bad as people in a van with no seats, but not really legal as no seatbelts - even though you can utilise the seatbelt points on the floor - there are issues in proving your seat is up to it.) we splashed out on specially made foam upholstered cushions for the bed which proved to be a good investment.

well we had this for ages with no other storage except for round the back under the bed - the front section being taken up by ludicrously big speakers. all our stuff was in a some big plastic boxes which had some boards on them to act as surface.rest stove on etc. wouldn't have the sub woofer  if i did it again.

one reason for not fitting storage units sooner was losing the double side door capability of the van - required for picking  up small children from both sides of the road - ok then, thought might need when using van for access work when carting big kit round. but in the end one side door was sacrificed for an MDF kitchen unit with a sink. good revelation - loads better - i'd probably do all one wall in unit if we start again (and i'd probably get a transporter - though vito does drive beaut, like a car).

van is lined with ply for insulation - condensation can be an issue in cold cold places - ply can be further enhanced by filling behind with foam (though this can affect the reversibility of the conversion - if thats an issue for resale). for full on full on winter you might struggle for cold - starting the van and running with heater on fairly standard de-misting technique. big vans - you can have heaters - but gas heaters give more condensation to the mix - best true winter vans i've seen have wood stoves (much drier heat) - but if its that cold (i.e. alps)you want your head checking. anyway vito not big enough for such shenanigans (if you go down that route remember - your chimney is a great heat source - but may burn you, and carbon monoxide can kill you).

leaving the windows cracked helps - skylights help (and good for cooking) - but reduces the stealth nature of the self converted camper.

registering as a camper - if you register your van as a camper - you have to supply a plan of the layout (we haven't done this) - there is a minimum bed length (i think you may have to have a sink - not sure on this) - but you can get some better insurance deals. there are advantages of this over being registered/insured as a commercial vehicle (did you know commercial vehicles are only meant to to 50 mph on national speed limit roads??)

this size - vito/transporter - was ideal for us - though it sure is easy to fill it with crap. some van converting mates who wanted to stow bikes safely we round europe in their converted boxer - HUUUUGE. they had a living quarters at the front - then used the back doors as a seperate secure storage facility to put bikes and skis/snowboards in.

once you have been on van trips you never want to camp again!! its ace!!

sorry for this stream of conciousness, unstructured reply.


Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: fatdoc on September 25, 2006, 05:59:35 pm
look on gravity-slaves.co.uk forum

no place like home van for sale on there, would be ideal!!!

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on September 25, 2006, 06:27:35 pm
 Great knowledge there, cheers.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Nibile on September 25, 2006, 06:51:01 pm
ps the two things that completely changed the comfort in the van were:
1) the kitchen/sink, cos its a pain in the ass to have the portable stove around, always risking to fall (with your dinner). i have an electric pump connected to the battery, and two 10 liters plastic cans. one has clean water, with the pump innit, that goes to the tap, the other the water from the sink.

2) the porta potty.
dunno about you, but, in the morning, i wake up, make coffee, drink it and go to the bathroom. before, i was forced to wait until we found a bar with toilets, if we couldnt go in the grass (which is a pain in bad weather), and that could spoil my day.
now, i wake up relaxed and ready to...send.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: dave on September 25, 2006, 07:02:48 pm
i dunno if this is useful but someone once told me that they met john dunne in el chorro in the 90s and he had a van, and under the (presumably plywood) floor had fitted soem kinda of hidden locking cabinet to keep valuable and climbing gear in out of sight and safe. might be worth thinking about.

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: fatboySlimfast on September 25, 2006, 07:12:11 pm
From the people i know that have got them couple of things stand out as must haves
High top-makes a massive difference when cooking(or pop top)
storage space-too little and its a real pain.
speed of vehicle-you know what its like to drive a slow van
You can buy van safes that bolt onto your vehicle! Also apparently velcro curtains are much better, stay put and you can take them off when travelling
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Idol eyes on September 25, 2006, 08:27:59 pm
Use a hotel, or buy a flat bed and put a large shed on it...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on September 26, 2006, 07:49:25 am
i dunno if this is useful but someone once told me that they met john dunne in el chorro in the 90s and he had a van, and under the (presumably plywood) floor had fitted soem kinda of hidden locking cabinet to keep valuable and climbing gear in out of sight and safe. might be worth thinking about.

Good call. We used the access hatch to the battery compartment as a "safe" in the van we had in NZ. Beds folded up over it, and made it well hidden. Would have been easy to reinforce it and put a burly lock on it.

Are you planning on including Scotland in your travels Bonjoy? Let me know if you need some beta.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on September 26, 2006, 08:41:21 am
 Scotland is certainly on the shortlist. Will be frantically fishing for beta nearer the date. Cheers
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bubba on September 26, 2006, 08:49:31 am
no place like home van for sale on there, would be ideal!!!

I wouln't touch that van with a bargepole - it's ex Royal Mail for starters ;)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: jfw on September 26, 2006, 09:01:05 am
nibile we don't have a portaloo, i'm slightly jealous but don't think there's room. we do have hideyholes for laptop and stuff.

yes to velcro curtain (much better than the original method of hanging our towels over bungee).

cooking from seat - don't miss having high-top/pop top in our particular van. our sink is really simple with a hand operated pump. the hobs aren't integral to the unit (just a two hob stove from decathlon) - so can be taken outside for cooking in nice weather - though involves a bit of jiggery pokery  moving the gas bottle and pipe (which does normally route through unit)

we don't have a fridge - just a big sturdy cool box - which also acts as a seat.

We didn't have any windows in the back to start with - but took out the front bulkhead - which let light in from the front and lets you climb over without getting out.

We've got double back doors - think there are some advantages to having a hatchback (anyway -  we don't have back windows but they're worth considering for ease of driving).

We do now have a side window on the non kitchen side - which is blacked out (although this lets in less light). In a black van you can actually hardly tell there is a window. Windows are nice but affect your security - and define whether your van looks like a camper or not.

Consider your auxilliary battery - where its going to go and how you're going to charge it. And the lights you want, where.

It would be nice to have a front seat that spun round to face backwards.

I think its ace fun doing your own van - but it takes time and effort, and ours evolved fairly organically. Time and money constraints may make a ready made camper more attractive - but things like the auxiliary battery need asking about when you're buying.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: soapy on September 26, 2006, 09:03:50 am
this has everything! (http://www.ukmotorhomes.net/classifieds/detail.php?siteid=1714&PHPSESSID=6aa9369e2081f22c6a1c29897273c8f5)


..including cb..

(http://www.ukmotorhomes.net/classifieds/images/1714_00461pNIhMujqi55.jpg)

ten four for a copy
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bubba on September 26, 2006, 09:25:11 am

What's best for security? Well worth considering if you're going to be building it up in Sheffield, which is now considered the worst place in the UK for car crime.

Extra locks? Tracker? Blackjax? etc?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on September 26, 2006, 12:40:09 pm
Hey jon,
My advice is to stay clear of converted vans unless you know who did them or did it yourself, many people take shortcuts that are just downright daft, (not ventialting gas fridges, running wires through insulation without passing them through a fuse box first etc.) If you're going for a long time i guess headroom is an issue? converted vans are all fine and well when the weather is nice but if it rains for 3days on the trot its going to be grim. Some campers obviously come with high tops but they are a bit of a pain in the ass in terms of storage (will you keep it after?) the other options is the reimo style roofs that elevate in some manner.
As many of you know i run a 1972 westfalia vw camper, I wouldnt recommend this but being young and having no, no claims bonus it was about the only thing I could insure. Although the later models (T25's T3's) arent as good to look at they are seriously good vans with well designed interiors and better powered engines (you can get 4 litre 4 wheel drive if you so desire!), that allow you to do a sensible speed on the motorway, with your budget you'd be looking at a luxury vw in that range, the engines are fairly simple be it air cooled or watercooled and a basic knowledge of these engines + the relevant haynes manual will allow most people to sort common faults fairly effortlessly.
In terms of insurance my polciy allows 90 days abroad in one go as standard and cover interior contents up to 3,000 with no added precautions, i have seen people with a small safe welded beneath the bench seat as well. Not sure if customs would be to happy about the hidden hole under the floor idea!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bubba on September 26, 2006, 12:46:35 pm

Just thinking on about security - I reckon a barrier deadlock might be the best solution. It physically locks the gearbox and pretty much means the only way they're getting your van is to tow it. See http://www.securityhelp.co.uk/vsi1/profile.htm

The police use these so they can leave their cars running and unattended, so they must work.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on September 26, 2006, 01:45:09 pm
As I posted before, these are an object of desice for me, but possibly outside the budget

http://www.surfseeker.co.uk/index.html (http://www.surfseeker.co.uk/index.html)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on September 26, 2006, 02:37:45 pm
 How much is one of those going to set you back?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on September 26, 2006, 02:40:05 pm
a hell of a lot. The vw/ford/fiat pro conversions are 30,000 ish new.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on September 26, 2006, 03:11:44 pm
I think they are there or thereabouts new.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on September 27, 2006, 11:31:50 am
Bonjoy, one of these is an essential luxury if you are planning on cutting back on campsite usage.

(http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/ishop/images/877/SOLAR-SHOWER.jpg)

And before anyone asks, no it doesn't double as a catheter to conserve water.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Nibile on September 27, 2006, 03:52:44 pm
the camp shower does miracles.

first time i used it its been at the beach, after a pounding session at local reef, and while i was showering myself, ready to get back home neat and clean, all the other poor bastards were dressing up covered in salt and sand, staring at me and probably thinking i was their idol and god on earth.
probably.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duma on September 27, 2006, 06:51:20 pm
How tall are you bonjoy? I had ( :'() a citroen relay and its about 5'10" wide inside - meant I could build the bed sideways which saves a load of space and faff with folding mechanisms etc. Also if you're planning on avoiding campsites a lot its worth buying something that isn't white - when I was with a mate in spain it was really noticeable how my (red) van blended in as soon as the light started to fade, compared with his (white) which stuck out like a sore thumb.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on September 27, 2006, 10:23:17 pm
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g110/simonintheshed/DSCF0001a.jpg)

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g110/simonintheshed/DSCF0004aa.jpg)

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g110/simonintheshed/DSCF0007a.jpg)

For sale

Our family home on wheels, 1989 1600 turbo deisel westfalia california. Imported early this year, Used all the time, completely reliable, hi top model, sleeps 5, fridge, cooker, sink, power steering, captains seats, etc,etc,

excellent condition inside and out



£6000 ovno


i reckon something like that is quite practical, well thought out interiors on all westfalia/devon style pro conversions.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on September 27, 2006, 10:29:00 pm
the t25 above comes in many different engine sizes so if the 1.6 T isnt enough you can always go larger.

On the upper end of the budget here's a modern westfalia T4, 10,000 similar style interior, all necessities + a bit of modernisation, 2.5 petrol engine.

http://www.rccimport.co.uk/pages/detail.asp?ProdID=612
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Nibile on September 28, 2006, 12:46:37 pm
How tall are you bonjoy? I had ( :'() a citroen relay and its about 5'10" wide inside - meant I could build the bed sideways which saves a load of space and faff with folding mechanisms etc.

yes yes yes.
im 173 cm and have built the bed sideways. exactly. saves alot of space. think about it, and if youre taller, you can reach further and so its clearly an advantage in bouldering, and its almost like cheating, and so my sends clearly have a higher value than yours on same problems, and that points out that im a better climber than you.

err.... :-[
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: soapy on September 28, 2006, 12:50:50 pm
i'm liking the look of this one:

http://www.ukmotorhomes.net/classifieds/detail.php?siteid=1694 (http://www.ukmotorhomes.net/classifieds/detail.php?siteid=1694)

more space than the vito, so suitable for longer trippage
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: moose on September 28, 2006, 04:23:19 pm
Any other lurkers reading this thread with an increasing urge to quit their job, cash in their savings.... and just go......

On a related subject, I only ever use my car for weekend climbing - driving to and from fairly distant locations on both saturday and sunday (averaging around 300+ miles per weekend).  I occassionally wonder about getting a small van instead so that, should the urge take me, I can just stay a couple of nights near the crag - save on hassle and increase my range.  Anyone have the knowledge on how sensible this is in practice?  Does the slowness and economy of even the smallest camper (essentially just a dry sleeping space and maybe the means to heat up a bit of food) make it worth the while?  How difficult is it to just turn-up at a crag and off-the-cuff decide to stay nearby e.g. can you legally overnight at most cragside locales, or do you have to find a proper site (which makes it so that you may's well book a B&B /  take a tent and just hope the weather stays good).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: jfw on September 28, 2006, 04:28:22 pm
yo moose for this kind of usage i would recommend an astra van with a big metolius pad in it. fore runner to our vito days!!

no room for indoor cooking - but loads more room than a for kit and dry sleeping - and staying anywhere.

can cook under the lift up hatch. can kit out with sleeping platform/storage shizzle or just rattle around.

only down side is if you need mates to share petrol - theres only room for one more in this baby.

(i just used the word shizzle - i'm so proud!)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: moose on September 28, 2006, 04:57:37 pm
cheers la', lack of passenger space not a problem for a friendless rover like myself! 

The ultra-basic option is pretty tempting: my car (a nissan micra) has its backseat permanently folded-down and occupied by my Dropzone anyway.  Swapping it for an astra-type van and gaining a cragside kipping facility would be pretty much all gravy (like camping with slightly less abject misery in the event of rain). 

Can't help but feel though that somewhere there is a perfect solution to my needs.  Maybe a camper version of those sub-transit style mini-vans: enough head-room etc to make nights inside less claustrophobic, perhaps no proper "facilities", but just big enough to chill-out and cook a meal when it drizzles, all whilst being practical enough to drive in more urban situations ... to dream the impossible dream :boohoo:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bubba on September 28, 2006, 07:38:33 pm

Quote from: moose
Maybe a camper version of those sub-transit style mini-vans

Transit Connect has LWB and High Roof as options... still too new to get a cheap one though, and I don't think a high roof one would be any higher than a normal tranny van roof.

I've been driving a normal sized front wheel drive tranny for 8 hours a day all week - they're really good vans, but the T260 is a bit low-power for long journeys.

If it's just for a couple of nights, you could just rough it out of any van I reckon. If I was on my own, even my Berlingo would be fine for that.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: soapy on September 29, 2006, 07:31:46 am
yeehah!, become a white van man (http://www.perrys.co.uk/used_choice?car_id=9945910&referring_site=vansunited&ID=JNQ7BV3MPXS001T&utm_source=csa&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=uc)

(http://www.perrys.co.uk/used-photos/large/K/R/KR03AXM.jpg)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: soapy on September 29, 2006, 07:49:43 am
although this is cheaper, and betterer, imho (http://www.vansunited.co.uk/van-details.lml?params_F=Mercedes/Vito/9956563)

(http://imageserver.autoexposure.co.uk/400x300/AETA64501/AETV677142_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bubba on September 29, 2006, 08:50:58 am

That Vito is well cheap - didn't realise connects had gotten that low either.

Shame finding a non-white can be hard.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: widdop on September 29, 2006, 11:29:15 pm
in Scotland just find a spot off the roadside ,never been asked to move on, and my van is a works van writ all over, just remember to pull out the plug on the telly or no go in the morning ,done it :shrug: :oops:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: erm, sam on October 01, 2006, 10:01:26 pm
With regard to Moose's when is a van not a van type requirment, I could recommend the great Mitsubishi L300. It is about as small as I would want to go whilst still being usefull. We have a 9 seater which folds down to a bed. With a two ring "camping" stove, not in situ, it is great for not so long trips. With the stove outside but near the door you can make a brew on a rainy day without getting out of bed. Small enough to get through the credit card only lanes on french Peage (max height 1.8m, I think) but big enough for a two week trip. Something like this...
http://www.banz.co.nz/travelcars/images/van360.jpg
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 02, 2006, 08:05:19 am
in Scotland just find a spot off the roadside ,never been asked to move on,

I believe the rules are different in Scotland to England. I think you can camp anywhere in scotland, provided you are not within a certain distance of a settlement. Some counties are more anal than others though and put up "no overnight parking" signs all over the place. Depends on what the local constabulary are like though.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Andy B on October 02, 2006, 04:44:23 pm
A few years ago we had an escort van that we had decked out and slept in. We were up near cape wrath and planned to catch the ferry and shuttle bus the next morning but the car park there had a big 'no overnight parking' sign up. We went to see the ferry skipper to ask what the score was, and he promply offered to get his pipe cutter out and chop down the sign for us. In two years we rarely had bother sleeping in our van. The only places we did was at Compass Point in Devon (or North Cornwall), where we got a ticket. and at the burbage west car park, where the ranger moved us on.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 02, 2006, 08:26:43 pm
the mitsubishi l300 looks very similar to the vw t25's etc, think they're good vans for short trips or the weekender style vans for exactly that but for a long ish euro trip it would just be grim surely? I too am heading off around europe next year in a van
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: The Sausage on October 03, 2006, 01:00:56 pm
hi ho slackers. hey jo, have just bought a toyota hi-ace, so will be round to scope out your vito and pick up some tips. i'm oof round europe for 4 months next year too. when are you off paul? it's got 2 batteries already (2.5l diesel), would a 3rd be handy for running a couple of lights/stereo etc. i don't really understand electricity, so any tips on setting up lights etc would be very handy. has anyone used solar panels? ta
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: jfw on October 03, 2006, 01:20:13 pm
yes! another van - there's no going back!  :great:

2 batteries should be enough - unless you're running some serious hydroponics or an electric oven or something. or more seriously if you may be stationary in one place for a long time (we got in situe for a while at ceuse but driving to the supermarket charged us up - jump leads are always good to have)

the thing to watch with them is whether it switches automatically to charging one then the other - or whether you have to switch it to say which one you want to charge.

don't know anyone with solar panels sounds cool - but don't know what you get for what size? i get this idea they may be good for charging stuff like laptops, mobiles - not so great for doing bigger stuff (but may be totally wrong).

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 03, 2006, 01:24:34 pm
the device needed is called a split charge relay, simple to wire and available from halfords etc. Ive got a solar trickle charger that plugs into your cig lighter and will keep the battery topped up. They're cheap too. Might be an idea to get a leisure battery that is capable of jumping your starter battery, that way you can jump yourself if your in the middle of nowhere, I know its not great for the leisure battery but now and again wont be too bad.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: jfw on October 03, 2006, 01:34:44 pm
good knowledge on the solar trickle charger (http://www.solarequip.co.uk/acatalog/1w_Solar_Vehicle_Trickle_Charger.html) i didn't know that!

have some waddage  :goodidea:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Nibile on October 03, 2006, 01:42:33 pm
cool!!!!!!
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: JR on October 03, 2006, 01:56:11 pm
the device needed is called a split charge relay, simple to wire and available from halfords etc. Ive got a solar trickle charger that plugs into your cig lighter and will keep the battery topped up. They're cheap too. Might be an idea to get a leisure battery that is capable of jumping your starter battery, that way you can jump yourself if your in the middle of nowhere, I know its not great for the leisure battery but now and again wont be too bad.

yeah, split charge relay is the shit.  Get an inverter on it and youve got full on mains if you need it, depending on the wattage (peak and steady) of the inverter and power of the battery.  You can also use an advanced regulator which is much more efficient but they are harder to fit and mean messing with the alternator and stuff.  If you want to run the stereo straight off the leisure battery so it doesnt ever drain the starter remember to wire the ignition switch into the battery too then it doesn't go off when you turn the key, small thing but annoying. 

2 batteries should be fine.  Remember if you know the ampag of what you're running you can work out what battery power you need.  Just add up the total amps.  Say youve got 20 amps total and an 80Ahr battery, you've got 4 hours with everythign running if its fully charged.  Low voltage dc lighting is probably the way forward for ease but running mains energy saving lightbulbs out of an inverter is good and makes for better light.

I'm not sure about jumping off your leisure battery perhaps it works, but it must knacker the battery.  They are not designed for surging.  Are you not better wiring and cahrging into your starter on demand from the leisure, let it reach equilibrium and then, providing you had enough charge in the leisure battery initially it should start.  Would take longer, but would not damage the leisure battery.  Never tried either method mind.

Paul, surely you only get a minute amount of charge from trickle charging from solar to a battery that size? unless you leave it permanantley mounted and wired?  How long did it take to fully charge say a normal 8 cell laptop?

Ive got a 85Ah leisure battery and a the wiring including split charge relay etc for sale at the moment if you're interested.  Just used it for 7 weeks in europe in the transit van i'm selling, its in good nick.  Got a buit more knowledge if you need it, but im sure paul also knows the score.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 03, 2006, 03:11:52 pm
Bonjoy,

This is probably the bigest Campervan Sales place in Scotland, to give you a feel for what you get for your pound up here. Probably similar places down your way.

http://www.perthshire-caravans.com/stock_motorhomes.htm (http://www.perthshire-caravans.com/stock_motorhomes.htm)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: The Sausage on October 03, 2006, 04:10:01 pm
blimey. who dat jr guy :bow:? i'd be interested in your stuff for sale if you think it's the shit. i like the sound of an inverter, to run mains gear off. do you live anywhere near shef? would love to come and pick your brains in person. i had a '73 vw combi years ago, and reckon things like decent lights are essential, without the constant worry of not being able to start in the morning. it only had one battery, but would bump start on the slightest slope. Paul, i hear you've joined the school, so i'll see you up there no doubt, so be prepared for many questions too!
any more info gratefully received...
see y'all soon, joe
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: JR on October 03, 2006, 04:50:58 pm
blimey. who dat jr guy :bow:? i'd be interested in your stuff for sale if you think it's the shit. i like the sound of an inverter, to run mains gear off. do you live anywhere near shef? would love to come and pick your brains in person. i had a '73 vw combi years ago, and reckon things like decent lights are essential, without the constant worry of not being able to start in the morning. it only had one battery, but would bump start on the slightest slope. Paul, i hear you've joined the school, so i'll see you up there no doubt, so be prepared for many questions too!
any more info gratefully received...
see y'all soon, joe

i live in the gods county of lancashire at the moment, but i'm over in the peak a lot in S10.  possibly thursday.  PM or email me if you need any specifics answering.  The stuff ive got at the moment is just a standard 85Ahr wet acid battery and the split charge relay and the appropriate gauge wire and inline fusing etc, bought in august and used lightly for DC low voltage lights and a stereo for 7weeks, charged everyday.  Works perfectly well, consistenlty, and is what youll find in most places for sale.  Could probably do you the battery and the relay for £30.  An inverter will cost you about £30 for a 300w model which is fine if your not trying to run a microwave or hoover or something.  Mine is bust now, so i'm not selling it!  Would defo want to meet up to give you the battery as they weigh the same as a small elephant, fitting them is pretty easy if you've a voltmeter and the relay is already wired in on the set up i have, could probably help you out if you need it.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: JR on October 03, 2006, 05:06:32 pm
by the way its useful to remember with anything to do with van wiring like this that its exaclty the same system as used in boats and thats quite often where you find the correct info if you look on the web.  The info on it on motorhome websites is usually of lower quailty.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: moose on October 03, 2006, 05:20:45 pm
Just like to say cheers to everyone who has contributed to this thread... I'll dole out some waddage to the deserving later! 

Currently my own van buying is more the stuff of future hopes than iminent action.  I feel I should run my current wheels into the ground before buying a new vehicle... but on the other hand.... I can afford to upgrade and if it results in some small measure of increased happiness.... Oh dear, got a feeling my poor little Micra could be in for a bit of a thrashing!  The only thing that will save it is the arrival of winter - spending freezing nights in laybys has little appeal.

Incidentally looking at the prices of "proper" campers.... bloody hell how do they justify it?! I am not usually one for DIY (I like my free time to be leisure time) but I'll be damned if I'll pay £10k for a camper-van where the "van" is worth around £1k!  The idea of getting a decent basic van, a spare battery, building a pallet-style platform to sleep on and stow stuff under has far more appeal.  A Transit Connect LWB (or Mitsubishi L300 / Merc Vito if fully committed), a crap mattress, a warm sleeping bag, camping stove, and a piss-bottle should do the job!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: soapy on October 03, 2006, 05:28:31 pm
my idea of slumming it:

(http://www.hittheroadrv.com/images/1987%20BOUNDER%2030'%20BASEMENT/91%20Country%20Coach%20Trader.JPG)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: The Sausage on October 04, 2006, 10:44:57 am
hi jr. would defo like to meet up. i think i'm collecting my van on thurs, so perhaps next time you're over. i'll be at the bowderstone this weekend. anyway, my mob no. is 07980 526579 (is that allowed). i live s11 and cook a good curry, so next time you're over get in touch and come round for nosh/advice. £30 sounds good, although like i say, it already has 2 batteries, so don't know if another is absolutely necessary. although, i do like to do a spot of hoovering on my weekends away... anyway, thanks to all for the info/tips. i'm literally foaming at the mouth with excitement. although, for those who know me, that's not unusual.
muchos gracias (?)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on October 04, 2006, 10:51:12 am
 Is it quite literally probably the second best van in the country perchance?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 04, 2006, 12:01:32 pm
my idea of slumming it:

(http://www.hittheroadrv.com/images/1987%20BOUNDER%2030'%20BASEMENT/91%20Country%20Coach%20Trader.JPG)

I saw some bigger than that in the US. Usually towing a jeep behind them.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: The Sausage on October 04, 2006, 12:33:45 pm
Is it quite literally probably the second best van in the country perchance?

It's definitely the best van i've bought this week. not as good as boysen's crack, but the two things are hard to compare...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on October 04, 2006, 01:18:06 pm
 Nothing's as good as Boysen's Crack
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: JR on October 04, 2006, 04:12:10 pm
hi jr. would defo like to meet up. i think i'm collecting my van on thurs, so perhaps next time you're over. i'll be at the bowderstone this weekend. anyway, my mob no. is 07980 526579 (is that allowed). i live s11 and cook a good curry, so next time you're over get in touch and come round for nosh/advice. £30 sounds good, although like i say, it already has 2 batteries, so don't know if another is absolutely necessary. although, i do like to do a spot of hoovering on my weekends away... anyway, thanks to all for the info/tips. i'm literally foaming at the mouth with excitement. although, for those who know me, that's not unusual.
muchos gracias (?)

will give you a bell then.  Am busy this weekend - family christmas party of all things (owning one of the countries biggest sprout farms in the family means xmas is a very busy season!)

John
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Nibile on December 18, 2006, 03:39:02 pm
really bad weather down here lately, but very good for finally taking the courage to fix the van. im almost done and very very happy.
new closets
(http://forums.climbing.com/photopost/data/506/medium/canon_valentina_169.jpg)

new kitchen, side panels and roof
(http://forums.climbing.com/photopost/data/506/medium/canon_valentina_168.jpg)

the roof
(http://forums.climbing.com/photopost/data/506/medium/canon_valentina_172.jpg)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: slackline on December 18, 2006, 10:52:34 pm

the roof
(http://forums.climbing.com/photopost/data/506/medium/canon_valentina_172.jpg)


Cool, you've got a woodie on wheels, just need to get some holds in there now.  Where does the campus board fit in?  :P
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Nibile on December 19, 2006, 12:19:18 pm
no campusboard, but the idea of putting some heinous pinches on the roof passed through my mind...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on February 21, 2007, 11:54:20 am
Any knowledgable souls care to take a look at this for me? Is is good buy? Is the price ok?
http://www.motorhomefacts.com/advert-view-category-3.html
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: The Sausage on February 21, 2007, 12:23:30 pm
hey Jon. 55000 miles, it sounds pretty good to me. is it nearby to go and have a look? i reckon it sounds big enough without being too gigantic. hard to know about value, but good conversions seem to hold their value. i reckon it's probably important to go and sit in it and see if you can imagine spending 6 months in it. the swivel  front seats are great as they add an extra dimension of space. and a toilet? amazing!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: north_country_boy on February 21, 2007, 12:25:33 pm
Have they put an extra zero on the end of that for a laugh Bonjoy?  :o

Are you definately after an already fully converted van?

I'm buying a van this spring/summer and have looked around a fair bit already, definately decided on the home conversion..... just made a list of everything I want/need then prioritised each thing.....You can get so much more for that amount of money though! :oops:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: jfw on February 21, 2007, 12:28:42 pm
sausage

did you talk to aidy about foam? having looked at your fine vehicle - i have belatedly realised that when you texted me  you were probably on about the mattress foam - and not as i thought the insulation foam between the panels and ply lining...

we got the matress/cushions made by a special company - aidy could give you the details

ps did you get ring piece?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on February 21, 2007, 12:29:07 pm
Any knowledgable souls care to take a look at this for me? Is is good buy? Is the price ok?
http://www.motorhomefacts.com/advert-view-category-3.html

Looks like a good vehicle, but a bit OTT price wise. Are you still planning a Scotland Trip? We are thinking of doing a 10 day trip up in NW in spring; boulder surf climb. Not sure how that fits in with your plans??

Have you looked at new Northern Highlands Central Guide? Inspirational.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on February 21, 2007, 01:02:12 pm
NCB - Where have you been seeing these cheaper vans. I've seen lots cheaper but generally they are bare vans requiring conversion. Do you mean you have seen cheaper pre-conversion vans?
 To convert a van I would have to invest a fair amount of money, and loose a certain amount of earnings taking time off to do the work. I'm not sure how cost effective it would be. Especially given I want a hightop, not an easy home addition i'd imagine. Two of us will be in said van for six months so I want a comfortable well set out living space.
 Does anyone have a rough figure on how much it costs to do a GOOD conversion job and how long it would take, including time taken to research and learn?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: north_country_boy on February 21, 2007, 01:28:33 pm
Take your point Bonjoy about comfort etc, my major quarm with buying something liek said posted van, would be that you are essentially looking at a 12 year old Ford Transit van for little short of 13grand!

If you look at how much said van would cost as a basic unconverted van...... http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/vans_search.asp?page=5&searchform=&lid=search_used_vans_full&photo=1&state=%27%27&sort=&make=Ford&min_pr=3000&source=0&model=transit&max_pr=5000&agerange=&miles=1500&mileage=&postcode=bd13+1jf&ukvansearch_full.x=31&ukvansearch_full.y=5 (even a van 6 years newer would be less than 4k) you have to then look at the fact you are paying 7-8 grand for the conversion and said luxuries?!

Does that van have everything you want? Things your not bothered about? Things missing you want? Do you intend to sleep it everywhere, or use campsite facilities? Like I said I would just priortise eveything you want/need and start with the best/newest van you can afford....converted or unconverted

I personally would be very concerned about buying the right 'van' as thats where the main investment should start......no point having luxuries etc if it won't get you from A to B....efficiently.

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Nibile on February 21, 2007, 02:04:10 pm
bonj,
i come to help you out. the only thing for you to do is give the key of the van. then ill test the said van for a few months, of course at your full expense, since im doing a job for you, and at the end, for a few more hundreds pounds, ill write donw a complete test results document.
this way your purchase will be guaranteed.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on February 21, 2007, 02:14:06 pm
Hmmmm. I am coming round more to the idea of a home conversion, bare vans are a shed load cheaper.
Does anyone have any rough ideas how much it would cost to do a luxury van conversion?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: north_country_boy on February 21, 2007, 02:43:06 pm
http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/caravans_search.asp?searchform=&lid=search_used_caravans_full&photo=1&state=%27%27&sort=&make=Mercedes-benz&min_pr=75&source=0&model=&max_pr=&agerange=&miles=1500&mileage=&postcode=bd13+1jf&ukcarsearch_full.x=25&ukcarsearch_full.y=8

Bonjoy, if you are after a conversion.....then see what you can get for your money first - bottom van, a T reg Sprinter......for 2 grand more than the transit! (High mileage yes, but its german, built to last!!)

ps. Josune B and hubby have one similar to that, and they spend a hell of a lot of time on the road!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on February 21, 2007, 03:31:40 pm
Cheers NCB.
Anyone any thoughts on this one? - http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/CARAVANS_popup.asp?searchform=&lid=search_used_caravans_full&photo=1&state=%27%27&sort=&make=Ford&min_pr=75&source=0&model=&max_pr=14000&agerange=3&miles=1500&mileage=&postcode=s7+1he&ukcarsearch_full.x=73&ukcarsearch_full.y=9&start=4&distance=178&adcategory=CARA&channel=CARAVANS&id=200706103778733
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on February 21, 2007, 04:44:32 pm
Cheers NCB.
Anyone any thoughts on this one? - http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/CARAVANS_popup.asp?searchform=&lid=search_used_caravans_full&photo=1&state=%27%27&sort=&make=Ford&min_pr=75&source=0&model=&max_pr=14000&agerange=3&miles=1500&mileage=&postcode=s7+1he&ukcarsearch_full.x=73&ukcarsearch_full.y=9&start=4&distance=178&adcategory=CARA&channel=CARAVANS&id=200706103778733
Blimey charley, just don't ask what Emma & Andy B paid for their transit conversion, it'll make you sick,  :o, I'd be seriously considering a standard van, and a very big can opener. Had a friend a while back did a very nice conversion in pine tongue'n'groove, nice and warm but I did look rather like a sauna, which was ok cos I think thats the look he wanted. ;)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on February 21, 2007, 04:49:07 pm
 The thing is I intend to sell on when we get back from travels. It doesn't really matter too much how expensive it is (within reason) so long as it holds it's value.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on February 21, 2007, 06:12:06 pm
Anyone any thoughts on this one...

Do you know what the leisuredrive conversion comprises of? IMO its important to know what you want and need out of a van, lots of conversions jam a shower/toilet/wet room into what is essentially a small vehicle. If your spending a lot of time on campsites thats just wasted space however if you intend to cut costs and camp by the side of the road it might be a god send.
I'd be a bit dubious of the agreed valuations, my insurance company offers an "agreed valuation" where you send as much info as you can to them and an estimate of the value and they either agree or disagree however there is a clause that says in the case of an accident we can "review" the valuation. Therefore an agreed valuation of 16k could be very dependant on what he has or hasnt told his insurance company. If it's worth 16k i'd also be interested to know why he is selling for what is considerably less? if it's a genuine reason then fair enough. If not i'd steer clear.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on February 22, 2007, 07:40:48 am
IMO its important to know what you want and need out of a van, lots of conversions jam a shower/toilet/wet room into what is essentially a small vehicle. If your spending a lot of time on campsites thats just wasted space however if you intend to cut costs and camp by the side of the road it might be a god send.

It's a good point. If you and your lass are happy making use of "ad hoc" toilet facilities, the space may be more useful. Camper Van loos are rarely pleasant affairs, unpleasant to maintain, and not often a necessity.

Likewise if you are travelling during milder weather, the Solar Bag Showers can be used to provide the occasional outdoor scrubdown, and are probably more reliable than the trickledown affairs you find in vans.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: The Sausage on February 22, 2007, 08:23:55 am
i think jonboy's point of wanting good re-sale value means a home conversion may not be such a good idea. it's going to seriously reduce the potential resale price, i would have thought. any ideas?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Somebody's Fool on February 22, 2007, 10:19:35 am
I would have thought it depends how good a job you do.  Would a decent conversion not add value to the van?

What about stealing one off a drive, leaving a note 'IOU one camper van', and then dropping it off again in six months time.  Maybe with a case of French plonk for their trouble.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lowlife on February 22, 2007, 11:12:03 am
A right interesting thread.
I haven't seen mention of the fierce little Mazda Bongo.
These are available for sensible money. A friend sold his lovely, but uncomfortable split screen VW and bought his converted Bongo with the proceeds. Around the £6K mark IIRC.
The thing that sold it to me was travelling home from N Wales at 80mph without any sense of pushing it too hard or beyond handling limits. Worth checking out.

Incidentaly, Bongo owners have their own 'Bongo Wave'. It involves plastering a surprised look on your face and pointing in shock at the other Bongo  :-[
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on February 22, 2007, 12:54:59 pm
 Had wondered about Bongos. Have seen a few nice looking examples advertised at suspiciously low prices. I presumed there must be something dodgy about them (other than the name). Will take a closer look next time!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nickreyner on February 22, 2007, 01:52:15 pm
I have been looking at these Mazda bongo's ( also ford freda, same thing) myself. They look ok. The low prices are unconverted but there seems to be plenty of companys who sell professional conversion. Just do a search in google. there also is the Toyota Granvia  3.0 litre turbo bit bigger , more expensive. I would be interested to see if they both hold there value. We are looking for something to use a weekends etc. Instead of driving miles everyday. not sure if these would be good for months at a time maybe there are ok.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on February 22, 2007, 03:30:18 pm
I'd be concrened about the inner space of a bong, just take a look at the weekender style ones without the cooker, they don't look big.
Another point to mention (it may have been mentioned earlier) is that the style of conversion home/professional will have a serious effect on the cost of insurance... obviously this depends on how honest you are to the insurance company.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on February 23, 2007, 09:18:43 am
Do you have any ideas on which additions/amendments raise the insurance?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on February 23, 2007, 10:18:12 am
I believe anything that isn't professionaly fitted, (so home conversions) are more expensive (difficult?) to insure compared with pro conversions.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: fatboySlimfast on February 23, 2007, 10:52:06 am
Have been looking into this myself.
My opinions on Bongos is that you get a lot of van for your money unconverted, the electric lifting roof for example. Lots of extras and usually good milage for round 6k. However they are a jap import and although spares are common in this country i rekon you would have a devil of a job on the continent. Also most are 5-8 years old already so your not getting anything new. A recognised conversion would cost you twixt 4-7k depending on what you have done. You can pick bongos already done at 11k prices. see here http://www.bongofury.co.uk/ (http://www.bongofury.co.uk/)
I rekon if you want more of an investment somting like a t5 conversion would hold its value amazingly, bigger outlay(seen em for 18k with decent milage). get one unconverted from a dealer and get it done professionally and could save a little bit.
I saw one bongo with a porta potty in the back,,,,,,can you imagine lying in bed whilst your partner squeezes one out 2 ft away
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Falling Down on February 23, 2007, 11:42:25 am
.....can you imagine lying in bed whilst your partner squeezes one out 2 ft away

Have you been accidentally visiting japanese pr0n sites as well as looking for spares for your Bongo  :-\
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lowlife on February 23, 2007, 02:03:26 pm
I think I'd be right saying that the standard unconverted Bongo Friendee is set up so that all the seats can be laid flat into a bed. You'd just need the velcro curtains to make it a basic home.
The electric roof space is brilliant. There is a hatch up into it. Superb until you get up for a slash and your wife rolls fully over the hatch in her sleep.  :wank:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Johnny Brown on February 23, 2007, 02:07:17 pm
Quote
Have you been accidentally visiting japanese pr0n sites as well as looking for spares for your Bongo

Reminds me, best finger-graffiti-on-dirty-white-van I've seen for a long time in the site car park the other day.
Big letters across back doors - TEAM BUKKAKE
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on March 02, 2007, 01:43:33 pm
Looking through Auto Trader and have a query. Many of the listings state the price then say 'no VAT'. Does anyone know if this means the the seller will not be adding VAT to the price stated or that the listed price does not include the VAT i.e add 17.3% to listed price???
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on March 06, 2007, 10:46:12 am
Tis done. For better or worse i'm going for the home conversion option. Last night I committed to getting a 2001, Long Wheel Based, High Top, Transit.
 Will be getting my hands on the beast before the weekend and then for the fun/hard/scary bit. Have started frantically researching on here http://www.sbmcc.co.uk/ and have just ordered Build Your Own Motorcaravan - John Wickersham.
 Any tips on good sources of cheap good quality stuff for the conversion will be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: GCW on March 06, 2007, 10:49:32 am
Generally your local timber boys are the best for the basic structure- get to know them!!  Sod B&Q etc.  I'd get a transit too but I haven't got anywhere to keep it.
Good luck with the BonJoy Lurve Barge!!!   :shag:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: north_country_boy on March 06, 2007, 11:25:35 am
Wise choice Bonjoy! Good luck with the conversion! Should have myself one in a couple of months!  ;D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on March 06, 2007, 11:44:10 am
It's all the rage. Mr Keenus is in the planning stages of one too.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Turboman on March 06, 2007, 12:48:56 pm
This is the kind of thing you should be aiming for.  ;)

Should be right up your street Bonjoy.

http://www.verdier.ca/ (http://www.verdier.ca/)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on March 06, 2007, 12:53:01 pm
Jon, you should get in touch with Tommy Chammings, he did a really good job of converting a transit high top a little over a year ago while he was working for lush. Had some nifty layout ideas and did a damn good job of insulating it.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: curly ben on April 16, 2007, 05:27:51 pm
Im in the plannng stages as well- thinkin of plumpin for ford transit as well. This thread has been ace for info- much appreciated. Bonjoy keep postin how things are developing.
cheers ben
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Nibile on April 16, 2007, 05:56:44 pm
summer converted-transit owners meet? ;D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on April 16, 2007, 07:20:06 pm
I sold my Bay Camper on Saturday... :'( (I'm glad that guy bought it as well because the first thing he did was rip the sill off  :o )
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on April 24, 2007, 09:29:41 am
 Well the van conversion is going ok, but there are a few things i'm going to be needing help with. The biggest of these being the gas and electrics. Just wondered if any of you wonderful people had the requisite skills to help me out, or know of good sources of cheap reliable assistance? In particular does anyone know about wiring up 12v DC systems and/or plumbing in gas appliances.
Cheers
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: chappers on April 24, 2007, 05:06:20 pm
i met a guy in spain who had a wood buring stove in his van with a massive chimney sticking out of his roof  :o
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on April 24, 2007, 06:51:36 pm
Hey john the 12v dc stuff is relatively simple, buy yourself a fuse box etc and run it from your leisure battery to this then to various sockets around your van, cig lighter style I guess? I'd recommend using blade fuses and a car fuse box as theyre easy to get hold of. Something like an old mini has a fairly compact unit rather than the massive boxes you get on new cars.

For the gas heating my van was pretty much rubber piping which was then jubilee clipped around some thin gas pipes to the Heat Source the vent out of the van was done in a similar way. I reckon its probably straightforward to do yourself a good place to start for some info on fitting one of these would bet www.justkampers.co.uk or www.volkszone.com (latter seems larger) some of the people have even written articles on common installations (is it a propex you've got?)
they're both VW oreintated but the people on there know their stuff and seem fairly helpful.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on April 24, 2007, 07:05:57 pm
if it is a propex is this any help?

http://www.volkszone.com/VZi/showthread.php?t=316768&page=1&pp=10&highlight=propex (http://www.volkszone.com/VZi/showthread.php?t=316768&page=1&pp=10&highlight=propex)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on May 21, 2007, 03:05:54 pm
 Some pics of progress

(http://bp0.blogger.com/_DzTzqrkSi_Y/RlFc3dTMSEI/AAAAAAAAADE/TMIzuV86zkc/s320/hy.JPG)

(http://bp3.blogger.com/_DzTzqrkSi_Y/RlFdRNTMSFI/AAAAAAAAADM/wMofqXNNiKM/s320/r5.JPG)

(http://bp0.blogger.com/_DzTzqrkSi_Y/RlFdpdTMSGI/AAAAAAAAADU/on3BmKGaVNg/s320/ddd.JPG)

(http://bp1.blogger.com/_DzTzqrkSi_Y/RlFeCtTMSHI/AAAAAAAAADc/ofBuF0vQLqs/s320/r4.JPG)

Anyone else got any conversions on the go?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: north_country_boy on May 21, 2007, 03:53:31 pm
Van is looking great Bonjoy! Should take ownership of my Vito this week, then 6 weeks or so to do some minor modifications/conversion before heading away in the summer.

Have you looked into/installed a auxillary/leisure battery and inverter in the Swift Gosling? Keen to put one in mine, any tips? (ideally cheaply: just to run uinterior lights/maybe stereo and a 12v socket to charge laptop and other devices.....)

Also where do you pick up the insulation for the van?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 21, 2007, 04:02:39 pm
To install an aux battery you need a battery and a split charge relay (available at Halfords but cheaper at other places, manufacturers such as Hella), fairly easy to install, comes with a wiring diagram. Battery in the vito under the bonnet?

240v inverter will flatten a battery in no time and if you've got 12v chargers for everything theyre pretty useless imo.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: north_country_boy on May 21, 2007, 04:05:13 pm
Have you sorted insurance for your van Bonjoy? Most companies won't let you have mor ethan 3 month's european/foreign cover (and some require you to pay extra for 2months of that) I am only aware of CIS who will isnure for any length of time (i.e. upto 12months - at no extra cost, as long as you have a green card)

You or anyone else got any info on alternatives?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: GCW on May 21, 2007, 04:07:37 pm
I'd second that, Paul.  if you are going to use an inverter (to charge lap-tops/ cameras etc) I would personally only do it whilst driving.  Also, a second leisure battery is a good idea but ensure you wire things correctly.  Sounds stupid, but make sure you charge both batteries whilst driving but only drain the leisure battery when stationary, hence Paul's comments.  Some methods of wiring dump a charging demand across the cuircuits as soon as you turn the engine over so you are better wiring things so charging only happens with the engine up to speed- the relay will flip in then.
Good luck.  Van looks great BonJoy!!!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: north_country_boy on May 21, 2007, 04:10:07 pm
Cheers Paul, thats exactly what i've heard from various people, split charge relay and aux battery. Battery is under passenger seat in Vito, and there is an empty void under the drivers seat to put an aux battery, will probably have a socket running from that placed on the back of the drivers seat subframe/box, so its easily accessible but pretty hidden away.

Will have a look into that....
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Nibile on May 21, 2007, 04:11:37 pm
i was wondering if in uk you can make such modifies, without having to pass a sort of revision afterwords. in italy we cant touch anything that is the "frame" or the "outside", so no holes for windows, etc. without having to pass the public revision, that is quite expensive. moreover, youre very likely not to pass it unlees you have done a "professional/state of art" job, this leading to the confiscation of the vehicle until you have sorted everything out.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on May 21, 2007, 04:16:29 pm

You or anyone else got any info on alternatives?

Down Under in London used to be specialists in Camper Van hire, esp for Kiwis and Aussies doing long Europe trips.
No idea of prices.

http://www.duinsure.com/sites/duinsure.nsf/PagesBySection/Policies_Van_Insurance (http://www.duinsure.com/sites/duinsure.nsf/PagesBySection/Policies_Van_Insurance)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: north_country_boy on May 21, 2007, 04:21:17 pm
Cheers but must be 40years or over if British...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on May 21, 2007, 04:30:00 pm
Cheers.
I've bought two 110 Ah leisure batteries (£60 each at CCC) and a Sterling battery to battery charger. The sterling charger is a fancy piece of kit which makes your alternator continue to charge at maximum output until the battery bank it fully charged. Apparently this means your batteries get charged very quickly compared to a standard split-charge relay as well as recieving a more complete charge. But at £130 plus another £20 for the fat welding cable needed to wire it in it's a lot more pricey. I have also got me a 75W solar panel. With this and the Sterling i'm hoping to be able to run my electrics without having to use hook-up (which i'm not bothering to put in) or do much driving. I am also using LEDs, cold cathode lighting and a fridge which can run on gas, to keep down energy usage.
 You only need an inverter if you intend to run 240V things off your battery. This will very rapidly use up battery power and is only really an option if you have a big battery bank (and drive lots to charge it), use hookup or intend to run a generator.
 Fortunately for me the company I work for does a lot of airsealling work and sometimes throws away slightly damaged insulation board. They also 'donated' the spray foam and silver tape. I'll let you know if any spare board turns up in the last two weeks i'm with them.
 Have been consulting www.sbmcc.com loads for info on all manner of technical stuff. Plus this website is the best i've found for allthings related to wiring a van, all written for the complete novice http://www.kampenwagen.co.uk/Electrickery.html

 Re insurance, I use Shield http://www.shieldtotalinsurance.co.uk/ , one of the few companies who are happy to insure self builds as motorhomes (cheaper insurance than comercial vehicle insurance), as a member of SBMCC (which cost £10) I got about a £75 discount on this. Unfortunately they will only insure for three months at a time in europe, which means we will have to come back to the Uk then go back out again  >:( , but I can't see a way around that. Shield don't seem to have a problem with doing this sort of border run type deal, so long as you aren't out of the UK for more than something like 200 total days in the year.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: north_country_boy on May 21, 2007, 04:38:29 pm
Good knowledge Bonjoy, i'd stumbed across the Kampenwagon site last week, very useful, but hadn't read in detail.

Will look into shield and post my quote/findings....(£1100 to beat - from CIS)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on May 21, 2007, 04:50:59 pm
Don't take too much notice of the figure produced by their online form. I phoned them up and the price came out considerably cheaper.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: El Mocho on May 27, 2007, 06:30:01 pm
Progress on the van so far (hoping to be finished by Thursday to go to Pembroke for the week).

Van from side door
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r201/benbransby/RIMG0186.jpg)

with seat up
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r201/benbransby/RIMG0187.jpg)

with 1 of the draws out (not finished the 2nd yet) for feet when sleeping
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r201/benbransby/RIMG0188.jpg)

from back doors
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r201/benbransby/RIMG0189.jpg)

my mum is now busy making covers for all our foam and then it is just insulation into the roof, the silver screens for the back windows (I have ply panels which fit in for stealth camping), the hanging bags for clothes, lowering the van, the alloys, tinted windows, the furry dice, the dancing Elvis....
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Nibile on May 27, 2007, 06:58:38 pm
i think i didnt step out of my house in two days.
i climbed on rock 3 hours in the last three weeks.
i had one of the most boring sundays ever: bad weather and sport on tv.
seeing converted vans makes me jealous, and wanting to just go away in the mountains.
 :'(
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ben on May 29, 2007, 04:15:01 pm

Anyone else got any conversions on the go?

I converted a Peugeot Expert a couple of years back and spent 4 months travelling round Europe in it last summer, which was great. Any questions about electrics/water/gas/etc - send me a mail  ben @ mendipclimb.org.uk
Cheers Ben
http://cornishben.smugmug.com/popular/1/61206429#61206429-S-LB (http://cornishben.smugmug.com/popular/1/61206429#61206429-S-LB)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on May 29, 2007, 04:20:38 pm
Cheers. Funnily enough I came accross your van via a link on SBMCC. It was posted as an example of a well designed and executed small van conversion. I did notice there were a collection of climbing shots also on the gallery. Fine van sir! May well be emailling you when I get stuck on the technical stuff.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ben on May 30, 2007, 08:00:48 am
Cheers. Funnily enough I came accross your van via a link on SBMCC.
Yeah I used SBMCC a lot when I was doing the van up, a good source of geeky info..

Had a look on there for something the other day and saw 'bonjoy' and thought... there can't be many bonjoys in the world, looked over here and saw your posts about camper vans!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Nibile on May 30, 2007, 11:39:21 am
 :'(
ill never post any pics of my scruffy van again after this.
 :'(
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: north_country_boy on June 05, 2007, 04:20:59 pm
After finally taking receipt of my van, Ive got lots to do before July's trip beckons! One of jobs I want to do soonish is insulate the roof and side walls, ideally with reflective foil backed foam stuff (suggestions?)

So anyone got any recommendations of insulation/supplier/tips.....in or near Sheffield....

(ideally needs to be no more than 20-30mm deep to go behind panelling and roof lining....)

cheers
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: clm on June 06, 2007, 06:43:50 pm
i just got my urban citroen dispatj. will ply line and insulate asap and spend a month in europe in the summer.  quite excited.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on June 07, 2007, 09:08:47 am
After finally taking receipt of my van, Ive got lots to do before July's trip beckons! One of jobs I want to do soonish is insulate the roof and side walls, ideally with reflective foil backed foam stuff (suggestions?)

So anyone got any recommendations of insulation/supplier/tips.....in or near Sheffield....

(ideally needs to be no more than 20-30mm deep to go behind panelling and roof lining....)

cheers
The stuff you'll want is Celotex or Kingspan 25mm. I'm not sure who the cheapest local supplier is. I got mine through work, but i'm not there anymore. Ebay often have lots of offcuts/offsizes
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on June 19, 2007, 08:43:21 am
NCB - I don't know if it's any use to you now, but i have two spare sheets of Celotex, one at 12mm and one 25mm. Will pm you my number.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: clm on June 19, 2007, 04:43:01 pm
it may be of use to me if he dont want it
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Pantontino on July 21, 2007, 09:21:15 pm
About 3 weeks ago I didn't care about camper vans that much. Then one day my wife came home and declared that she'd had a van epiphany: we had to get one, and we had to get one soon! I resisted initially, but once she'd shown me a few websites I very quickly became obsessed and suddenly threads like this started to make sense. I experienced 'van envy' for the first time (you should see Pete Robins' flash T28) - I can't drive anywhere without gawping at other vans, even pulling over to check them out on the street. I've got van fever, and I've got it bad.

Anyway to cut a long story short, we've just got one (see avatar); pick it up next week. Can't wait - no more uncomfortable camping for me! :dance1:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: BenF on July 22, 2007, 08:25:31 am
Good to hear Simon.  I too have been suffering from van envy, it seems to appear every summer and I'm going to have to do something about it soon.  Similar symptoms have been noticed amongst other members of the Liverpool collective and Owen and I have also be known to stop to admire vans, converted hearses and even mopeds with large panniers. 
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Nibile on July 22, 2007, 11:43:14 am
welcome on the bright side, pantontino.
youll never get back.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on July 22, 2007, 01:16:03 pm
Nice looking van, will you post some more pics when you collect it?
I'm looking at T4's to convert at the minute, a few things have troubled me a bit though, one being that you remove the factory fitted bulkhead which must surely effect the structural stability of the van come impact time? and then the same thing means that all of your cupboards etc. can come piling into the back of you.
Does yours have a reimo roof or something similar? it appears to have but the piccie is very small.

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: monkey boy on July 22, 2007, 01:43:45 pm
Factory fitted bulkheads come as an option on T4's depending on whether you buy i as a domestic or commercial vehicle, hence if you buy a combi version with 5 sats they come without, and i'm pretty certain that they don't effect the structural integrity of the vehicle, as they are just a bolt in bolt out skin.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: north_country_boy on July 22, 2007, 01:45:52 pm
Sorry Paul, that last post was from me....busy at the foundry today  :whistle:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on July 22, 2007, 02:14:39 pm
good answer. still worried about a R&R bed coming crashing into the back of me though. There's a really good on going conversion on the T4 forum's i'll post a link up later for anyone thats interested in converting one. The guy is doing a really neat job for a relatively low amount of cash.
Dan, cheers for all your previous info on Vito's, done some more research and they're not for me.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Pantontino on July 22, 2007, 02:34:44 pm
Here's some pics of our long wheel base T4 2.5 tdi:

(http://www.northwalesbouldering.com/upload/gallery/56c4_1.JPG)

(http://www.northwalesbouldering.com/upload/gallery/523c_1.JPG)

(http://www.northwalesbouldering.com/upload/gallery/5b65_1.JPG)

(http://www.northwalesbouldering.com/upload/gallery/5fd3_1.JPG)

(http://www.northwalesbouldering.com/upload/gallery/6c96_1.JPG)

And this is the awning that I'm just about to buy off a mate for £40:

(http://www.northwalesbouldering.com/upload/gallery/traveller2_new.jpg)

The van is pretty basic at the moment in terms of conversion, but I liked that as we are already well set up for camping and travelling. I reckon I'll just add stuff in a piecemeal fashion as I suss out what I want/don't want.

Off to Ailefroide in it in August with the family. And I can't stop grinning whenever I think about the van. ;D (even though I am now massively in debt)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on July 22, 2007, 05:20:43 pm
looks very nice indeed, I think i'll have to go SWB, the other half didn't even like driving my old camper, that thing was the dogs b*llocks!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 23, 2007, 08:23:25 am
We are thinking of getting a van too, would be ideal for trips to west coast with surfboards etc. Just had long weekend in Borders with mountain bikes and camping gear, bikes and climbing gear leave very little space for much else. Just waiting for old corsa to die before we can go shopping, but it just keeps on going.

Yours looks nice Somon, LWB ideal for carrying long surfboards.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Pantontino on July 23, 2007, 01:27:51 pm
If you're not a surfer and it's just you and yer missus I reckon SWB is probably best as it will be easier to drive and park and probably more efficient fuel wise. I had a quick spin in Pete Robins' T28 last week and it felt almost like a car!

Unfortunately I need the space. I've got 2 kids and and an enormous amount of associated paraphenalia - even with a LWB I'm wondering where everything is going to go, especially on long trips.

Chris: why not sell the Corsa now while you can still get a reasonable price for it? A vanhead friend of mine advised me to spend as much as I could afford, and then some more, as transporters really hold their value and last forever. You're going to need every last penny you can scrape together to invest in the van of your dreams.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on July 23, 2007, 01:56:38 pm
There's a thread called project power on the T4 forum if your interested in a bit more oompf. Depends on what engine you have but if its the one with the intercooler (102bhp) then all you need is bosch injectors and a remap to get it up to 155bhp and increased level of torque. You can also do it for the standard 88bhp model but its more of a faff however a remap can get increased torque, fuel efficiency, and increase bhp to around 118....
By all accounts the guy who does the remap (diesel specialist at chipwizards) seems to do more than just the generic remap, it gets put on a rolling road and he adjusts things to how you like it...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 23, 2007, 02:31:38 pm
Chris: why not sell the Corsa now while you can still get a reasonable price for it? A vanhead friend of mine advised me to spend as much as I could afford, and then some more, as transporters really hold their value and last forever. You're going to need every last penny you can scrape together to invest in the van of your dreams.

Because no-one would give us a button for it. At the moment it costs owes us nothing and costs minimal to run (we share it for commuting to work and back), and keeping it on the road for as long as possible means we would build up more cash than we would if we sold it.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: The Sausage on July 25, 2007, 11:15:02 am
About 3 weeks ago I didn't care about camper vans that much. :dance1:

Come on Panton, how about being snuggled up to me in St Govan's car park, steadfastly ignoring The Emmett and Wentworth banging on the side of the van at 6am 'cos they were so uncomfortable? i can't believe that wasn't the turning point... anyway, nice looking wheels. See you at the gogarth do. By the way, when you off to ailefroid? i'm off on a 3 month euro-epic in 2 weeks. would be good to meet up.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Pantontino on July 25, 2007, 02:00:23 pm
I'd forgotten about that trip. I seem to recall sending Tim and Chris off to find some water just to give them something to do and possibly wear them out/calm them down.

I guess I was always put off by the slow speed/high fuel cost of vans. Lately I'm more put off by the uncomfortable nature of camping.

I'm leaving for France straight after the Gogarth festival (subject to me finishing a stubborn new route project on the Ormes). Staying out there for about a month. Probably spend a chunk of that time at Ailefroide. Big George might be going with his family too, and Jethro and clan as well at some point. James Harrison lives out there now too. Could be an old school Llanberis reunion!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Pantontino on July 28, 2007, 12:16:03 pm
Picked the van up yesterday, which was great, but for one issue. It was quite a warm day driving back into Wales and I found that the air blower system didn't work properly. Basically the right and left vents would only emit warm air. I could block these off, but the ones directed at the windscreen can't be blocked and they also consistently emitted warm air. The 4 central vents blew coolish air - not really cold though. Consequently it got pretty hot inside the van - imagine driving through France in the proper sweltering heat! The only solution seemed to be opening the windows up every now and then.

I spoke to a mate who also has a T4 and he said he had the same problem.

I did find this thread, which suggests it might be a design issue, or possibly that there could be a faulty part/s:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3347214&postid=40432126 (http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3347214&postid=40432126)


I wondered if any UKBers had come across this problem before?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on July 28, 2007, 01:31:25 pm
I'd ask on here if I were you:

http://vwt4.forumsplace.com/ (http://vwt4.forumsplace.com/)

sure they'll have a fix.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on March 12, 2008, 10:47:41 am
Well spring is nearly upon us and there is probably enough cash in the coffers to do some shopping.

Anyone got any opinions on the Mazda Bongos? Seem to be reasonably priced. I think we will go for a converted van rather than me try and do it myself, and cock it up totally. The 4WD option seems nice for getting about in the hills in winter and getting to some less accessable beaches, but is it worth the extra expense and loss of economy(?). Also automatic seems common, which I have never been that keen on.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on March 12, 2008, 11:01:08 am

I'm looking into getting a Bongo too. You seem to get more for your money than a converted VW (the missus has put her foot down on me having a half converted van sat outside her flat for 6 months).

MPG isn't great (30?) but I'm quite keen on getting around at a reasonable speed and not breaking down every 5 seconds.

Anything I need to look out for?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on March 12, 2008, 11:08:56 am
Bongo owners website http://bongofury.co.uk/  has plenty of useful info :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on March 12, 2008, 11:24:26 am
Cheers, had a good old look at that already. Found 3 dealers in Scotland I didn't know about.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: fatboySlimfast on March 12, 2008, 11:31:54 am
I have one of the aforementioned Bongos....!
Just for the record a 2.5ltr 2 wheel drive in green with blacked out windows!
Heres my take on them.
Great base vehicle for conversion cos its cheap, its not enormous and already has a pop top. We had an 8 seater, I say had cos I have removed the rear two rows and replaced with a rock n roller bed.  The original seats do lie flat but are bumpy, the pop top can sleep two and during summer is fantastic cos you can zip the tarp down and just have the mozzie net up instead(tested against aviemore midges this summer!) BUT its a bit of a pain to get out throught the hatch if you want a pee.
I looked at the full conversion and thought the bed was too narrow for two people so have a full width bed instead of the sink and fridge etc down the side.
With them you get power steering, abs, air bags, the pop tops electric, electric wing mirrors, etc etc. They are old though, mines 12 years old but has only done 38k when I got it. Most are still coming straight from Japan, the older cheap ones are getting harder to find. The newer one have to be converted as it bypasses the need to put them through the e.u standards test, easy but does need a bit of money to get them through.
They are thirsty but use them for trips and it isnt too bad, commuting just sucks diesel.
All in very happy with mine
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on March 12, 2008, 11:39:02 am
Sounds good L. We would only use it for weekends & trips away, as we car share for commuting. Like to have a look at yours if we make it down to the peak when Stu comes over.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Johnny Brown on March 12, 2008, 11:48:55 am
They must be in demand...

Quote
My Mazda Bongo, Green, P199 AGR was stolen on the night of Saturday 8th March, please help me find it by inviting all your friends in the sheffield area to look out for it.

Any one in Sheff look out for this, belongs to Adam Spillane who some of you may know...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: fatboySlimfast on March 12, 2008, 12:15:47 pm
Quote
Like to have a look at yours if we make it down to the peak when Stu comes over.
yeah, no worries!
The bongo fury website guy lives just up the road from me.
I have been followed by several police cars in the last two days for a bit while they check my number plate out, cant be that many green bongo's in Sheff
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Obi-Wan is lost... on March 12, 2008, 03:12:02 pm
Blimey, soon we can start a UKB Bongo sub-group! Me and Mrs Obi have been looking at Bongo's for about 6months, not worked out the finances yet but keen to get one soon. Would like to check out your Bongo FBSF, before we purchase if it's ok.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: fatboySlimfast on March 13, 2008, 11:50:24 am
No problem mr wan, any time
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on March 13, 2008, 11:53:17 am
With the original seat set up and after the rock n roller bed conversion, is there space under the seats or bed for surfboards?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: rowena on March 13, 2008, 12:14:46 pm
I would just like to flap my Pingu wings in pre-camper van excitement  :bounce:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: fatboySlimfast on March 13, 2008, 08:48:05 pm
With the original seat set up and after the rock n roller bed conversion, is there space under the seats or bed for surfboards?
Hmmm, maybe. Another option would be to roof rack them(it can be done!) and just bump up the pressures in the hydraulic arms. Seen it done very succesfully.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 28, 2008, 02:09:59 pm
Following months of deliberation and hesitation (and saving), have ordered new VW T5 Transporter Panel Van, after a period of intense negotiation and playing off of VW Dealers in Edinburgh and Aberdeen. Unfortunately lead time means we get it in mid September. Then the pimping begins!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Jaspersharpe on July 28, 2008, 03:10:15 pm
Cool. Which one have you gone for engine wise, sensible or ludicrously powerful?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 28, 2008, 03:25:02 pm
Sensible. 1.9l, 104 BHP. Can always get a remap if it starts to annoy. Very tempted by the 2.5l, but cost a fair whack more, and pretty thirsty (not good with fuel price like it is).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bubba on July 28, 2008, 03:44:00 pm

petrol + lpg conversion?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 28, 2008, 03:50:43 pm
Diesel. Don't think there is a petrol option in that engine.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on July 28, 2008, 06:30:50 pm

I've plumped for a fully converted bongo. Spent quite a bit (went for a new shape)  but really chuffed. Bit annoyed wityh the guy I got it off (didn't finish it foe when he said and there's quite an extensive snagging list) but it's sweet.

Camper vans are the mutt's nuts.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on July 28, 2008, 06:50:47 pm
Following months of deliberation and hesitation (and saving), have ordered new VW T5 Transporter Panel Van, after a period of intense negotiation and playing off of VW Dealers in Edinburgh and Aberdeen. Unfortunately lead time means we get it in mid September. Then the pimping begins!

very envious. Conversion blog when you get going?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 29, 2008, 08:18:24 am
Possibly, but if we can get the cash together, the conversion blog might be very short - consisting of a single line -

"See http://www.vwt4conversions.com/ (http://www.vwt4conversions.com/)"

Been recommended, as doing a good job at a reasonable price.

Who knows though, it may go from

(http://www.caranddriving.com/pix/VWTransporterVan0703.jpg)

to

(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6160/transportercn3.jpg)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on July 29, 2008, 08:56:04 am
Chris - rest assured that if you pimp your van to that degree then I will personally hunt it down, take pics of it and post them here (http://www.barryboys.co.uk).

bluebrad
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Percy B on July 29, 2008, 03:26:19 pm
We've just got a fully converted Bongo from Manchester Campers in Denton. Has a side conversion with all the necessary bells and whistles. A bit narrower than a transporter, but way more bang for your buck. Highly recomended.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 29, 2008, 03:49:14 pm
Nice, Did you manage to find a manual? We had looked at Bongos (as per previous) but size was a bit of a concern for my 6ft 2 frame. Also wanted manual gearbox for driving in hills in winter in bad road conditions.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Percy B on July 29, 2008, 05:19:18 pm
No, we got a 2.5 litre TD auto with 4WD. I'm 6'1" and its no problem size-wise, although we'll probably get a drive-away awning now we've got a nipper to think of too. As regards the joys of manual for winter driving, the auto 4WD version will be fine - you can lock the gear box in any of the gears. Word on the street is that good Bongos are now becoming less commonplace in japanese car auctions, so if you want a newly imported one the choice is increasingly restricted, although there are some good second-hand UK ones about. My sister just got a petrol V6 manual (not converted....yet) which goes like stink.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on July 29, 2008, 11:02:26 pm
SA Chris, I take it they do T5's as well then? I've seen some quality conversions on the T4/5 forums...

Percy: Have you had chance to see what kind of MPG the bongo returns? I've always looked at them but been worried about how much go-go juice they'd drink.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Percy B on July 29, 2008, 11:06:14 pm
Around 30 mpg for the diesel, although i've heard of people getting 35mpg if you are super careful. If you have a heavy right foot, 25 mpg is more like it. I've only used a couple of tankfulls in mine so far, but 30 ish seems about par for the course.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on July 30, 2008, 08:19:42 am

Is that with the conversion in Percy?

I got a full conversion from JAL, seems to dip in a bit below 30.

Bar the fuel consumption, fantastic vans though. Once the roof is up they feel well spacious.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 30, 2008, 08:31:05 am
SA Chris, I take it they do T5's as well then? I've seen some quality conversions on the T4/5 forums...

Yup, they do, have been chatting with the bloke about options. There are loads of companies that do conversions, some of them amazing, but running to silly prices. I think we will just go for basic side unit / bed and get some windows fitted, then worry about pop top etc if and when we need more space. If you are looking around, try and get one with a single passenger seat, so when it converted this can be swivelled 180 deg to give extra seating inside. If you get one with a standard bench passenger seat, a single passenger seat is £1000 ish to retrofit (unles you happen upon one second hand / scrap).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 30, 2008, 08:46:58 am
So how many Bongoers is that? Percy, galapinos, Fat Boy SF, did Obi Wan go for one?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Percy B on July 30, 2008, 10:43:24 am
Its a full 'side' conversion - so it retains one of the original rear bench seats that converts to a bed with a couple of extension pieces rather than having a rock and roll bed in it ('cos it takes up more room and is less flexible). Has all the other shizzle too - pop-up roof, fridge, double hob, sink, electricity and water hook-ups, leisure battery, dimable internal lights, heater, bling alloys, electric blinds, dual air con, etc, etc.

Don't get me wrong - I'd love a transporter, but a Bongo lets me have the camper I want for half the price. My VW camper-owning brother in law was all for taking the piss until he got a tour of 'the pope-mobile'! "Oh, its awesome...", he said with some bitter disappointment in his voice.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 30, 2008, 12:30:19 pm
It is amazing what they fit in. Very compact and bijou.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on July 30, 2008, 01:40:04 pm
I lusted after a Bongo... until I drove a Chevy Astro (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,8416.msg156977.html#msg156977) (4.3l V6 190bhp) and found out that they could be converted to LPG (£ok and free parking in Sheff city centre). I don't like the stupid skirts that imports to the UK all seem to have, so was pleased to find one with damaged trim that I wasn't paying for. have now started de-pimping it; skirts are off and it no longer scrapes the floor whilst cornering hard or going over "speed" bumps - also looks less like something one would want to steal/break into. I'm probably not going to convert anything inside... for now

My choice of Chevy over Bongo was a proper case of heart winning over head - I have realised that my life is better when my vehicle is something I love, rather than something purely functional and economical.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on July 30, 2008, 01:50:15 pm
Connected with this topic....
Anyone used/own a drive away awning for their vw/bongo/other campervan? Any reccommendations or advice in this area?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 30, 2008, 02:23:55 pm
I had a Ford Astrovan for a while while iw as living in the US. I think the Chevy is very similar, only more interesting. The Astrovan had a rock and roll type bed; the seats folded flat to form a fairly comfy sleeping place, which I didn't knwo at the time I bought it. Bonus.

No idea about awnings sorry. We will probably pitch our Family sized tent next to ours to start off with.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on July 30, 2008, 02:44:26 pm
I had a Ford Astrovan

Aerostar ?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 30, 2008, 02:50:05 pm
ummmmm, yeah.
Dunce.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 30, 2008, 04:32:46 pm
you gotta love the paint job

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z292/jayksscratby/PICT0007.jpg)

well done inside though

http://www.volkszone.com/VZi/showthread.php?t=470645 (http://www.volkszone.com/VZi/showthread.php?t=470645)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Percy B on July 30, 2008, 05:19:25 pm
Easycamp Venice 200 is the boy. Drive-away awnings for the discerning camper-van owner.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on July 31, 2008, 08:56:23 am
Easycamp Venice 200 is the boy. Drive-away awnings for the discerning camper-van owner.

Do you own one, Percy? Why are they so good?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Percy B on July 31, 2008, 10:21:22 am
I'm about to own one.They're the one recommended for Bongo's by the guy who did my conversion. A good fit to the van, and plenty big enough for storage and use as a double bedroom, plus you can drive the van away from it dead easily - so I've been told! I'll let you know how it stacks up when I take delivery....
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Andy B on July 31, 2008, 11:22:42 am
We have a drive away awning for our van which we have hardly ever used, because to use it securely you need to be on a campsite, which defeats one of our reasons for having a van, ie. not being limited to camp sites or paying camping costs.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on July 31, 2008, 11:48:58 am

I've just got a wind out awning that came with the van.

What does "drive away" mean? Does it close up on all 4 sides for when you leave it?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on July 31, 2008, 12:36:42 pm

I've just got a wind out awning that came with the van.

What does "drive away" mean? Does it close up on all 4 sides for when you leave it?

yes, so it stands on its own like a tent.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Percy B on July 31, 2008, 01:48:30 pm
We have a drive away awning for our van which we have hardly ever used, because to use it securely you need to be on a campsite, which defeats one of our reasons for having a van, ie. not being limited to camp sites or paying camping costs.

I agree, but as we will be spending a little more time on camp-sites given my new found status as a family man, bring on the big tenty thing to store all our crap in whilst on a climbing/biking/schmooling tour of southern France in September. If you don't use yours and want rid of it, I'll buy it off you Andy!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 31, 2008, 02:01:35 pm
Dare I ask what schmooling is? As a camper van owner to be, is it something I should know about?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on July 31, 2008, 03:52:07 pm
 :off: If you had one of these and put a camper body on top, you wouldn't have to spend money on ferries or accommodation when going to Font (on ebay now)

(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t87/mikevryan/P1010128.jpg)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Jaspersharpe on July 31, 2008, 03:55:47 pm
You're just out to piss off Mrs Starfish by buying the most Clampett style vehicle possible aren't you.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 31, 2008, 04:00:13 pm
:off: If you had one of these and put a camper body on top, you wouldn't have to spend money on ferries or accommodation when going to Font (on ebay now)

What sort of mpg does it get though? Be handy for getting to some beaches too.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: LucyB on July 31, 2008, 05:35:15 pm
Dare I ask what schmooling is? As a camper van owner to be, is it something I should know about?

Schmooling = whatever people do on holiday when they aren't climbing - not sure what, but I'm about to find out  :shrug:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on July 31, 2008, 10:33:04 pm
Dare I ask what schmooling is? As a camper van owner to be, is it something I should know about?

Schmooling = whatever people do on holiday when they aren't climbing - not sure what, but I'm about to find out  :shrug:

I guess that it will be very similar to the thing that people with caravans do when they go on caravanning holidays. Anyone know what they do?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 01, 2008, 08:02:28 am
The same as what they do when they are at home; watch SKY, eat and drink, and have mindless conversations with neighbours, or anyone who happens to be camping within earshot.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Andy B on August 04, 2008, 07:15:16 pm
We have a drive away awning for our van which we have hardly ever used
If you don't use yours and want rid of it, I'll buy it off you Andy!

Sorry Percy, Emma wants to keep it for some reason.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: richieb on August 09, 2008, 09:17:35 pm
Some good advice here folks. I just lashed out on an ex demo peugeot expert this afternoon! Need to use the van as my everyday vehicle as well as weekend warriormobile so Im hoping the expert will be a good size/economy comprimise. Its the new shape so a bit bigger than they used to be.
Will probably just do a basic insulate/bed/storage job for now.

One thing......what exactly is a 'rock n roller' bed? Just a fold away hinged type thing or something mre clever? 


 
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on August 10, 2008, 12:11:10 am
One thing......what exactly is a 'rock n roller' bed? Just a fold away hinged type thing or something mre clever? 

Pretty much, the original ones had fancy hinges.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 11, 2008, 09:20:05 am
Nice, Ritchie. I think it's a seat that can fold down to form a bed? Unless you were planning on carrying passengers in the back, I would just build a bed platform, what I have seen most people do with vans that size, and have storage space underneath it.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on September 02, 2008, 08:56:57 am
Good morning campervanners!

Came accross this site http://www.wildcamping.co.uk/ (http://www.wildcamping.co.uk/)
usefull stuff on the forums if you are visiting a new area and want to find a quiet spot to park up in for the night without shelling out for campsite fees.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on September 11, 2008, 01:28:51 pm
Having trawled through the thread I can not find the answer I am looking for so I will ask here.

Been looking through Auto Trader with the intent of buying a van but could anyone shed light on the situation regarding VAT as a private buyer? Is this still payable or not as I assume that the usual scenario would be to buy as a VAT registered company and then claim this back - something that is not a possibility in my case?

Any knowledge on this greatly appreciated as it has a direct bearing on how much I can spend in the near future on the van.

Cheers guys

bluebrad
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: soapy on September 11, 2008, 01:56:09 pm
unless you are VAT registered then yes, you'll have to pay the price plus VAT, eg £10,000 + £1,750 = £11,750


So, sharpen your negotiating skill and get at least 17.5% off the advertised price
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 06, 2008, 12:16:16 pm
Any good ideas for insurance?

We are buying as a van, but will be converting later in the year. The only insurance company that will insure before and after is hellishly dear. Insuring it as a van before, then cancelling insurance and insuring as a camper afterwards appears to be cheaper?

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on October 06, 2008, 12:32:04 pm
Quote
We are also able to provide full cover for camper conversions and self-conversion projects based on almost any vehicle, including cover for vans or coaches in the process of being converted.


from Adrian Flux (http://www.adrianflux.co.uk/camper-detail-go.php) website
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Drewski Rootbitch on October 06, 2008, 01:08:11 pm
Try MCIA
http://www.lifesure.co.uk/motorcaravan.php (http://www.lifesure.co.uk/motorcaravan.php)
This is who I used for years. They have a phone line where you can talk to a real British person (maybe a girl if you're lucky).
And the European cover doesn't expire after 30 days and costs (me) £82 a year (including Britain).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 06, 2008, 02:03:53 pm
Quote
We are also able to provide full cover for camper conversions and self-conversion projects based on almost any vehicle, including cover for vans or coaches in the process of being converted.


from Adrian Flux (http://www.adrianflux.co.uk/camper-detail-go.php) website

Was my first PoC. They are just a broker, and didn't come up with much reasonable. Will try (Y)MCIA. Apparently they make real your dreams?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 06, 2008, 02:19:54 pm
AF always seem to promise more than they can deliver imo.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 28, 2008, 09:34:38 am
Van heating;

Had one of these recommended to take the chill off when camping in winter (van is going to be insulated anyway).

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Camping-Gaz-Campingaz-BlueCat-Heater/dp/B000ZJ97C8 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Camping-Gaz-Campingaz-BlueCat-Heater/dp/B000ZJ97C8)

Catalytic heater, so no flame etc.

Recommended? Any alternatives?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bubba on October 28, 2008, 11:06:45 am
Any good ideas for insurance?
Apparently the National Farmers Union can be good for insuring vans, but not sure if it is classed as a camper.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: soapy on October 28, 2008, 11:11:13 am
Van heating;

Had one of these recommended to take the chill off when camping in winter (van is going to be insulated anyway).

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Camping-Gaz-Campingaz-BlueCat-Heater/dp/B000ZJ97C8 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Camping-Gaz-Campingaz-BlueCat-Heater/dp/B000ZJ97C8)

Catalytic heater, so no flame etc.

Recommended? Any alternatives?


carbon monoxide poisoning ahoy unless you're properly ventilated


i'd have one of these (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Goldair-RH1800-GA1800-Radiant-Fire/dp/B00067HE60)


Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 28, 2008, 11:13:02 am
Would be ventilated.

Not too keen on one of those without several leisure batteries.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bubba on October 28, 2008, 11:33:13 am

One of these would be great, but they're expensive: http://www.propexheatsource.co.uk/products.htm (http://www.propexheatsource.co.uk/products.htm)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on November 18, 2008, 03:20:23 pm
well the van now has proper windows in, hoping to have it done for Xmas!

http://www.vwt4conversions.com/page17.htm (http://www.vwt4conversions.com/page17.htm)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on November 26, 2008, 10:46:38 am
unless you are VAT registered then yes, you'll have to pay the price plus VAT, eg £10,000 + £1,750 = £11,750

Our van just got £400 more expensive than if we had bough it now :(

No amount of crystal ball peering would have predicted it though.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on January 08, 2009, 03:25:27 pm
Any advice on security? We have got a Cat 2 factory fitted immobiliser as standard, getting an upgrade to Cat 1 makes very little difference on insurance, and doubt it will stop anyone breaking in. Short of replacing al windows with bulletproof glass, not sure ewhat else can be done. Got a "safe" fitted.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bubba on January 08, 2009, 03:55:43 pm

Think I said this back on an early page but a barrier deadlock system is going to be the best bet to stop it being nicked. Nothing will stop it being broken into if it has windows.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on January 08, 2009, 09:04:29 pm
Sorry, hadn't seen mention if it before Just googled it and this came up;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/732669.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/732669.stm)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bubba on January 09, 2009, 12:29:53 am
Ouch, scrap that then - last time I researched these (when I had a Scooby) they were considered foolproof.

The other thing I used to get fitted to the Scoobs was Clifford Blackjax. It's an anti-carjacking device but just adds another level of protection.

Quote
BlackJax5
Anti-Carjacking and Vehicle Self Recovery System

BlackJax is Clifford's unique anti-carjacking response system that puts personal safety first while using innovative advancements to ensure that users can recover the vehicle themselves. If an armed car thief approaches - whether at a stop light or in a parking lot (where most carjackings occur) - immediately turn over the keys and remote and let Clifford technology take over.
Fully automatic: No buttons or transmitters to push when a gun is involved. Just get away from the vehicle. Quick response: BlackJax allows the criminal to drive away a safe distance. Then, a few seconds later, BlackJax blares the siren and flashes the lights to alert other drivers and witnesses. It then pulses down the ignition system to safely force the vehicle to slow to a complete stop. Siren blaring and lights flashing, unable to restart the engine, the carjacker has no choice but to abandon the vehicle.       
Immediate vehicle self-recovery: With the vehicle immobilized a short distance away, the owner can recover it. No special tracking units, monthly fees or per-use charges. Just follow the sound of the BlackJax siren, then enter the PIN code. That's it - it's sabotage-proof. The only way to turn off BlackJax is with a secret user-selectable PIN code. If the carjacker tries guessing codes at random, BlackJax actively ignores his code entries for the next few minutes.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on January 09, 2009, 09:22:02 am
A similar thing was developed in South Africa. A friend of mine designed one that included a tear gas canister aimed at the drivers head and hidden behind the visor, but the company he sent the designs to were concerned about it being triggered accidentally, as well as would be thieves being in danger of having the living shit kicked out them while incapacitated. Officially that was their line anyway.

Fortunately Scotland is not known for car-jackings.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: soapy on January 10, 2009, 10:48:29 am
armaplate lock covers (http://www.garrisonlocks.co.uk/armaplates_van_lock_plates.htm) are a cheap passive deterrent
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on February 16, 2009, 09:06:27 pm
A friend is trying to fit some seatbelts in to the rear of his old VW camper. He's got a standard rear conversion, so needs to add an upright on the cupboard side.

Has anyone any knowledge on where he could source an upright or know anyone in the North East who could do it or sell him the bits?

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: account_inactive on February 16, 2009, 09:57:14 pm
From what I gather he could just fit lap belts rather than 3 point ones and still be within the law.  Otherwise it's a bit of a grey area with regards to mods and the tests (or lack of)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on February 16, 2009, 10:10:35 pm

Cheers Dylan

He's got 2 small children so hes keen to get proper belts of he can fit/use child seats.

With my converted Bongo, I've got an A-frame bolted to the base which has been DVLA checked and approved. I haven't managed to get in touch with the guy who did mine.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on February 16, 2009, 11:17:33 pm
VW T4/T5 forums might be a good place to take a look.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on February 17, 2009, 08:16:20 am
T4 forum is a mine of good info. We got one 3 point and one lap belt fitted by a guy certified to do mods, but he is based in Cumbernauld, so probably not the most convenient.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: MattW on March 06, 2009, 09:36:29 am
Anyone know of a good garage in Sheffield to get seat belts fitted? Converting a T4 and took it to the garage i normally use and they had a fit about liability and won't touch it   :shrug:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on March 12, 2009, 04:10:28 pm
As above try the T4 forums.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: MattW on March 13, 2009, 03:17:33 pm
Cheers, managed to find one out in Handsworth in the end called Clark and Partners.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bubba on March 27, 2009, 03:37:55 pm
Not exactly camper van - I must have been pissed last night as I googled for "Berlingo Tuning" :lol:

Check this badboy:

(http://www.modifiyeliarabalar.net/imagdatas/eRu23393.jpg)

(http://www.modifiyeliarabalar.net/imagdatas/86P23396.jpg)

(http://www.modifiyeliarabalar.net/imagdatas/9bj23396.jpg)

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on March 27, 2009, 09:04:29 pm
Not exactly camper van

Doesn't matter.

I'm with you Bubs - any Berlingo conversion is worth a look.

 I've had a love of the Berlingo ever since they hit the hire fleet scene. I can still remember the first time I drove one and was gobsmacked by that HUGE windscreen - made me feel like I was flying a jumbo jet   8)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: T_B on May 07, 2009, 01:26:06 pm
Anyone got any experience/thoughts on small vans?

I'm thinking Fiat Scudo or Citroen Dispatch (think a Berlingo will be too short to kip in as I'm 6'3).

Which engine?

I'm interested in something that drives like a car, is cheap to run, but which you can doss in the back every now and again and chuck a load of pads in.

I won't be doing any fancy conversion - just thinking about a simple platform above the wheel arches.

Anticipating spending around £4-5K.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on May 07, 2009, 01:42:05 pm
richieb has got a Peugot partner with a similar setup to what you describe. I think he is away at the moment, so pm him.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Johnny Brown on May 07, 2009, 02:13:41 pm
I think clm's is a despatch. He hasn't done much of a conversion but it does the job.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: north_country_boy on May 07, 2009, 02:26:02 pm
I'd look into a new style Volkswagon Caddy aswell Tom, quite a few about for £4-5k at the minute, much better build quality and reliability, and likely to hold
value way better than a french throwaway van....
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Johnny Brown on May 07, 2009, 02:33:59 pm
Whatever you don't look at the transit connect, drives like a 7.5 tonner, whilst actually having no more space than a cinquicento.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: T_B on May 07, 2009, 02:39:04 pm
Yeah, the Caddy looks nice but I wonder if it's big enough for me to sleep in - just 1.8m load length  :-\
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nik at work on May 07, 2009, 02:42:08 pm
In the interest of SCIENCE I've just had a quick lie down in the back of my Berlingo. I can assume a fully flat sleeping position as long as I lay along the diagonal. However as I am 9" shorter than you it us unlikely you would achieve a satisfactory nights sleep unless you are comfortable sleeping in a semi-foetal position (cuddling a teddy bear perhaps). However it would be possible to build a raised platform which went above the passenger seat (headrest removed) which would provide adequate length, however this would result in a narrow sleep zone (you would need to be VERY well aqainted if not traveling solo), would remove any passenger carrying capability (unless the bed platform was hinged) and is just going to be too much of a ball ache to implement.

So in conclusion your original prediction that a Berlingo would not satisfy your requirements has been confirmed, you need to look for something a bit bigger.

I hope this was helpful. :)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: dave on May 07, 2009, 02:42:32 pm
just stick you feet in the glovebox tom.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: T_B on May 07, 2009, 02:44:11 pm

So in conclusion your original prediction that a Berlingo would not satisfy your requirements has been confirmed, you need to look for something a bit bigger.

I hope this was helpful. :)

Very much so. I have a small fiancé to squeeze in there also  :-*
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: chillax on May 07, 2009, 02:53:12 pm
Whatever you don't look at the transit connect, drives like a 7.5 tonner, whilst actually having no more space than a cinquicento.
:-\
I was in a mate's one of these at the weekend and he seems to quite like it. Good milage and lots of head room. His is an admittedly basic setup, boxes full of gear that he rolls a mattress out on top of, but seems to work pretty well for weekend trips to the Head and Ailladie and the like.

Bear in mind that he is a bit on the squat side, so if anyone's ever used the word "lank" while referring to you, its probably best to look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bubba on May 07, 2009, 03:05:33 pm

Aye, echoing Nik's comments - no chance with a Blingo - i'm 5'10" and can only fit diagonally. Connects are even smaller and don't drive that nice.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Johnny Brown on May 07, 2009, 03:35:04 pm
Quote
Quote
Whatever you don't look at the transit connect, drives like a 7.5 tonner, whilst actually having no more space than a cinquicento.

I was in a mate's one of these at the weekend and he seems to quite like it. Good milage and lots of head room.

I get to drive plenty of vans through work. This is a real turkey.

I daresay if I'd made the mistake of buying one myself though I'd be trying to convince me and anyone else of its merits.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bubba on May 08, 2009, 05:40:17 am
Insane Blingo modification. Surely a waste of time on such a small van?

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1125/1300738015_1ecced27ea_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/czechr/1300738015/)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: T_B on May 08, 2009, 09:12:46 am
Insane Blingo modification. Surely a waste of time on such a small van?

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1125/1300738015_1ecced27ea_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/czechr/1300738015/)

WTF?! They must be short...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Johnny Brown on May 08, 2009, 09:15:32 am
Genius. Jason Pickles has got a Berlingo with a neat little conversion.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: T_B on May 08, 2009, 12:39:23 pm
Just had a look at a long wheel base Transit Connect - the front passenger seat folds right over and can be pushed down so that it's flat at the same level as the rear floor. Ingenius! Shame about JB's assessment on the driving as it looks perfect for the lanky doss.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bubba on May 08, 2009, 12:48:47 pm

I drove a crap load of Ford vans last year for work - JB is right about the drive - not as good as the Blingo/Partner but sameish as the Vauxhall Combo (also avoid).

It's a shame because the recent full size Trannies are a joy to drive.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Johnny Brown on May 08, 2009, 12:51:33 pm
The one I had was a short wheel base with a full bulkhead.
Getting rid of the bulkhead and adding some length would be a huge improvement to it, you could probably live with the bad drive.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 08, 2009, 12:51:54 pm
I saw a Tourneo Connect (euro transit i'm guessing) in Albarracin and thought it looked like an amazing weekend warrior van. Shame there's all this talk of a crap drive.

Not overly relevant:
(http://www.motivemagazine.com/emAlbum/albums/Manufacturers/Ford/Europe/Tourneo%20Connect/Interior/ford-tourneo-011.jpg)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: slackline on May 08, 2009, 12:58:36 pm

Not overly relevant:


Picture of the hottie was appreciated though  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ben on May 08, 2009, 01:30:43 pm
re: berlingos. I have one and done a removable conversion that folds out over the top of the front seats (you can adjust them so they lie back flat), gives you plenty of legroom and the full width of the car.  PM me if you want more details or photos.  Downside is you have to remove the rear seats to slot the conversion in (8 allen key bolts). I have a friend who's done something similar but it just goes over the back seats, means you can carry 5 + don't have the hassle of removing/storing seats, however it also means you don't have much headroom

re: peugeot expert/scudo/dispatch - great vans for small conversions, again, more details available on request  ;)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 30, 2009, 01:52:51 pm
with the possibility of having a mad dash for a potential trip I've started looking at Bongo's again as I doubt a month is enough to source a good van and convert it. T

hey do look like a good option (if a bit pricey), do we have any advances on 30mpg? Its going to feel like quite a hit compared to our 60 mpg wonder car.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on June 01, 2009, 08:38:08 am
hey do look like a good option (if a bit pricey), do we have any advances on 30mpg? Its going to feel like quite a hit compared to our 60 mpg wonder car.

In word, no.  :(
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: fatboySlimfast on June 01, 2009, 08:50:34 am
They are thirsty beasts im afraid, 28mpg tops for ours. We have an unconverted one with a full width rock and roller bed in, the side conversions were to cramped for my liking.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on June 01, 2009, 09:07:48 am
hey do look like a good option (if a bit pricey), do we have any advances on 30mpg? Its going to feel like quite a hit compared to our 60 mpg wonder car.

In word, no.  :(

(Mines a fully converted new shape 2.5 TD Auto)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on June 01, 2009, 09:30:52 am
4wd or 2wd?

Hmmm... The chances of me sourcing and converting a van (well) in a month are slim I think.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on June 01, 2009, 09:56:49 am

4WD.

Got it from jalimports, good vans, ok conversions, pain to deal with.

The guy at Manchester campers seems a good sort.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on June 01, 2009, 09:59:23 am
they're looking like a good fall back option should I not be able to find a decent T4/5 in time but 28mpg seems pretty sh*t and thats without a side conversion and the added weight that comes with!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: fatboySlimfast on June 01, 2009, 01:49:19 pm
T5 caravelle 2.5tdis quoted at 34.4mpg, better but still fairly thirsty.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Nibile on June 01, 2009, 02:16:44 pm
4wd or 2wd?

Hmmm... The chances of me sourcing and converting a van (well) in a month are slim I think.
i've converted mine in a similar time, a very basic conversion, mind, but i haven't seen many better usage of space. if you need info i'll post a few pics.

ps YYFY with the roadtrip you lucky bast****!!!!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on June 02, 2009, 09:31:43 pm
woohoo...

Newest Member of Team Yellow Here.

T4
Ex AA
120k miles
pop top
side unit conversion

some bits of the interior need a little tidying up but I'm ecstatic with the find and the general condition of the van. Deposit paid, pick up on Sat.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Johnny Brown on June 02, 2009, 09:52:36 pm
How much? Looking at summat similar myself... is there a dealer for these ex-AA vans?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on June 02, 2009, 09:58:52 pm
I'll drop you a pm...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: eteve on June 04, 2009, 12:17:12 pm
there is a guy sells all the ex aa vans on ebay.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on June 04, 2009, 12:20:15 pm
I think they're starting to get into short supply about now which probably won't be good for prices.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: andyh on June 04, 2009, 12:30:15 pm
I'll drop you a pm...

I'd also be interested in where you got it from and how much you paid, cheers
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on June 04, 2009, 01:29:00 pm
I've been enjoying my LPG experience.
Local councils have been converting vans to comply with their targets of reducing dirty emissions and businesses have been doing the same to avoid congestion charges. These might be worth looking at for camping conversions. LPG is 50p/litre in this country, but I seem to remember that it is more expensive in France; so possibly not great for a Euro tour.
ebay has a few LPG commercial vehicles at the mo... eg. (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LPG-1999-MERCEDES-SPRINTER-lpg_W0QQitemZ330335015040QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Commercial_Trucks?hash=item4ce9805080&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on June 04, 2009, 01:37:13 pm
with the reduced economy that running on LPG brings, is it really worth it? The payback period for a conversion must be massive. Maybe not with a huge american thing I suppose?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on June 04, 2009, 01:54:30 pm
The payback period for a conversion must be massive.

Yes, if you pay for a new conversion. However the resale value of a convertion seems to be very small, so buying a van that is already converted makes more economic sense.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on June 04, 2009, 02:01:37 pm
nice. I wonder why the LPG conversion has no impact on the resale value? weird. I once tried to buy something similar but the insurance companies weren't having any of it.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on June 04, 2009, 02:13:17 pm
It has an impact, but nowhere near the cost of the convertion. As you say, weird.
My beast cost me only slightly more than the conversion costs alone (carried out 12 months earlier), mental.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on June 04, 2009, 02:25:39 pm
From the other thread:

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/bennp2000/front.jpg)

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/bennp2000/rear.jpg)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on June 04, 2009, 02:56:18 pm
How much? Looking at summat similar myself... is there a dealer for these ex-AA vans?

As Paul B has already said vans are an hard thing to find but if you are looking for a T4 or T5 I might be able to supply a contact for one - slight issue is that they are based in Suffolk but the source is one that I am prepared to trust... As far as I understand it they are all PX vehicles from a VW main dealer but I will get confirmation on that if required.

bluebrad

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on June 04, 2009, 03:04:07 pm
Nice looking van Paul. If they are good enough for Mr Nadin, it will be good for you.

Does it actually transform into anything? No mysterious switches?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on June 04, 2009, 03:09:38 pm
optimus prime?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on June 04, 2009, 03:19:27 pm
For anyone on this thread looking to ensure a van (or indeed anything!) I'd suggest giving Brentacre a call and asking for John.

I had a day ringing around trying to get a decent quote off the usual suspects (flux etc.) and it looked like insurance was going to be prohibitive (you all know I'm a liability). Well, Brentacre came in at the same price as my punto with all mods declared, I'm under 25 and between the two of us we have 3 claims in 3 years. One my fault (minor), one flood (goes down as my fault) and a drunken twat driving into us (unresolved so our fault!). He calc'd an onscreen price and then said that was ridiculous and came back with something at half the cost!

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on June 04, 2009, 03:48:49 pm
How was the flood your fault? Did you piss God off at any point? Glad you got it sorted though. Did you let insurance company know you will be out of the UK for an extended period? They can be funny with stuff like that.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Jaspersharpe on June 04, 2009, 04:04:52 pm
Did you piss God off at any point?

Selling your soul to the devil will tend to do that yes.  :guilty:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: andyh on June 04, 2009, 04:11:03 pm
How much? Looking at summat similar myself... is there a dealer for these ex-AA vans?

As Paul B has already said vans are an hard thing to find but if you are looking for a T4 or T5 I might be able to supply a contact for one - slight issue is that they are based in Suffolk but the source is one that I am prepared to trust... As far as I understand it they are all PX vehicles from a VW main dealer but I will get confirmation on that if required.

bluebrad



Cheers, but based in Manchester and need to get something immediately, as in this weekend. Suspect I'll probably get a cheap hatchback or summat to see me through for the time being.

If anyone's selling a low mileage, low priced car then let me know
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on June 04, 2009, 06:14:45 pm
How was the flood your fault? Did you piss God off at any point? Glad you got it sorted though. Did you let insurance company know you will be out of the UK for an extended period? They can be funny with stuff like that.

as there's nobody to get their money back off it goes down as a fault claim! At least I had natural disaster cover unlike many people.
Yes the insurance company are aware of everything...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on June 06, 2009, 07:41:35 pm
Having had a look at Paul's new van I can only conclude that his luck has finally changed. Good score.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on June 06, 2009, 11:01:31 pm
very kind of you sir (yours makes a better noise)

I found some cosmetic stuff under the bike rack that I'd missed but nothing too upsetting.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on June 07, 2009, 09:52:05 pm
I found some cosmetic stuff under the bike rack that I'd missed but nothing too upsetting.


blusher and eyeshadow?

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on June 07, 2009, 10:14:46 pm
full drag outfit, hidden past indeed.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 10, 2009, 10:07:01 am
If anyone is looking to midgeproof their van, this is a simple, lo-tech solution.

Buy some midge netting, the large size on here http://www.midgie.net/ (http://www.midgie.net/) is enough for 2 x front doors, plus a spare piece. Cut to fit the door of the van - close it in the door all the way round the window so it is snug on the outside. you can pul it in from inside to get it nice and snug. Get a length of magnet from the doorseal of an old fridge (I was down the local dump and nicked some out of the heap of fridges). Cut it out, as if you try and pull it you can snap the strip of magnet. Use the strip of magnet to seal the net against the bottom of the window.

Simple. I can take some pics if it doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 02, 2009, 12:25:02 pm
http://www.vamoosecamperconversions.co.uk/ (http://www.vamoosecamperconversions.co.uk/)

Product looks good, and based in Sheffield, wondering if anyone you guys have used them, or know anyone who has?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 02, 2009, 12:46:02 pm
http://www.vamoosecamperconversions.co.uk/ (http://www.vamoosecamperconversions.co.uk/)

Product looks good, and based in Sheffield, wondering if anyone you guys have used them, or know anyone who has?

No idea to be honest but the T4 Forum (http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/) would be the place to ask rather than here I suspect.

The T4 forum is also the place to get a lot of good info on doing it yourself should you wish to do so - you will probably save a lot of money but it will take over your life somewhat as I am discovering at the minute.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 02, 2009, 01:25:35 pm
Cheers, used that forum a fair bit before, just looking for personal recommendations as a lot of you guys are local.

No chance of doing it myself, can't even draw a straight line, let along cut one!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 02, 2009, 02:07:03 pm
Cheers, used that forum a fair bit before, just looking for personal recommendations as a lot of you guys are local.

No chance of doing it myself, can't even draw a straight line, let along cut one!

Neither can I - that's why I bought a mitre saw off Paul B.  ;)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on October 03, 2009, 10:02:22 pm
I have joined the van brigade and just bought myself an 04 Fiat Scudo. Drives pretty slow but handles well. Its in very good nick so am off tomorrow to get some ply to start lining it. Can't decide between one of the rock and rolla beds or some kind of fixed platform and storage. Not going too much down the modding road but decent stereo setup, little cooker, possibly little fridge and that should do me.

(http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=979856769)

More pics to follow.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on October 03, 2009, 10:17:02 pm
Scudo is an ace choice of van. I'd go fixed platform with secure storage underneath. If you want a comfy seat to read or whatever, sit in the front. In a van where you can't stand up, the space that you get when a rock and roller is in the seating position is not worth having. The sliding side doors make it easy to access under bed storage space.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 03, 2009, 11:24:39 pm
Yup, definitrely wouldn't get an RnR bed unless you were going to be carrying passengers in the back most of the time. Platform seems to be way to go, poss with a removable section at the front to give you room to sit in the back when you are cooking. One of those cooler boxes with a cooling unit that you can plug into lighter might be a good idea, would fit under platform then.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on October 04, 2009, 10:02:29 am
One of those cooler boxes with a cooling unit that you can plug into lighter

Got one of these in HellFrauds sale last year. The heat exchanger isn't that great - the cooling effect is minimal and it uses loads of leccy. We tend to shove a few freezer blocks in (as many as will fit) and it'll keep stuff cool over a weekend. One very hot weekend we bought a bag of ice cubes and tipped them in - kept food very cold for a couple of days.
A proper caravan fridge would be much better if keeping food cold over time is important. Takes up space though.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: GCW on October 04, 2009, 10:54:29 am
Got one of these in HellFrauds sale last year.

We got one too, and if you leave it on long enough it will freeze things that are inside.  It works fine as long as it isn't boxed in and can't get rid of its heat.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: account_inactive on October 04, 2009, 11:07:14 am
I have joined the van brigade and just bought myself an 04 Fiat Scudo. Drives pretty slow but handles well. Its in very good nick so am off tomorrow to get some ply to start lining it. Can't decide between one of the rock and rolla beds or some kind of fixed platform and storage. Not going too much down the modding road but decent stereo setup, little cooker, possibly little fridge and that should do me.

(http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=979856769)

More pics to follow.

Good effort beast. Make sure you insulate before you stick some boards on.  Get some Celtex from Wickes and make sure you gaffer all the open bits of foam. You can also add carpet to the boards if you want to be fancy.  Give me a shout if you want any advice.

On another note my other T4 went in for a re-spray this weekend and I'm hoping for it to be finished in a week and up for sale.  If anyone is interested give me a shout  :)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 04, 2009, 11:34:45 am
As Dylan said make sure you insulate first. Also ply line the side panels before you do the floor - I did the floor first and am only now getting round to doing the sides and I am going to have to take at least one section of the floor up for a bit of trimming so that the ply for the sides will fit!!  >:( If you are doing a decent stereo install as well then plan where your speaker wires are going to run and lay those in before you stick the sides on.

Also I have a roll of this (http://www.homebase.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=20001&partNumber=481240&Trail=searchtext%3ELOFT+INSULATION+OFFERS) going spare if you are looking to insulate the roof. Got it on a BOGOF from Homebase and there is no way that I am going to need two rolls so one is yours for a fiver should you wish.

If you want any other advice on stuff van related give me a shout - won't pretend to know all of the answers but I can speak from experience on some stuff.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 04, 2009, 08:31:59 pm
insulate with Ecowool!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on October 07, 2009, 01:47:50 pm
Ok some pics so far. I got a load of radiator insulation from a mate who is a builder. For free so couldn't complain. Waiting till sides have been paneled before i insulate the floor. Will be putting carpet over the ply too, so should be nice and snug.  ;D

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3485/3990179756_aaa22d329e.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3528/3989424185_b0521e1e29.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3120/3990180222_4be7a87606.jpg)

And last but not least, a very important mod  ;)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2435/3989424759_42177911fd.jpg)

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 07, 2009, 02:05:11 pm
Adam, if you can get any more of that stuff, I would double up the layers. Unless that stuff is brilliant at insulating, i don't think you have enough.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on October 07, 2009, 02:07:46 pm
Adam, if you can get any more of that stuff, I would double up the layers. Unless that stuff is brilliant at insulating, i don't think you have enough.

I have another two rolls, but it does seem noticeably warmer in there!  I might double up, i will have a think.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on October 07, 2009, 05:24:35 pm
Have double insulated it now. Better safe than sorry! Cheers guys.

Picking up the ICE next week.
Carpeting for the walls ceiling and floor. (Anyone know a good place where you can get that grey car material you so often see in VW campers?)
Leisure battery.
Lighting.
Bed/seating setup.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on October 07, 2009, 06:36:02 pm
You can't have too much insulation  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: slackline on October 07, 2009, 06:56:49 pm
You can't have too much insulation  :thumbsup:

 :lol:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: account_inactive on October 07, 2009, 07:06:09 pm
I've just insulated and carpeted my white van.  I bought my carpet from ebay for both vans. This time i went for the cheaper option on there for 99 quid with spray glue and realised it's the ribbed variety.  The ribbed stuff doesn't stretch around corners very well and need to be put in the same direction (which is a pain for b-posts).  Go for the more expensive stuff (think the guy is in Leeds)

You can get a cheap leisure battery (120) for 80 notes at CCC.  Get an intelligent relay too so that it charges after the crank battery and run all of your ICE off it.

Either go for a box configuration or get an IKEA metal sofa bed from fleabay
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: account_inactive on October 07, 2009, 07:21:09 pm
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-T4-T5-Camper-Carpet-Lining-Motorhome-Lining-withGlue_W0QQitemZ170383953297QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item27abaccd91&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-T4-T5-Camper-Carpet-Lining-Motorhome-Lining-withGlue_W0QQitemZ170383953297QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item27abaccd91&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 07, 2009, 08:19:21 pm
Have double insulated it now. Better safe than sorry! Cheers guys.

Picking up the ICE next week.
Carpeting for the walls ceiling and floor. (Anyone know a good place where you can get that grey car material you so often see in VW campers?)
Leisure battery.
Lighting.
Bed/seating setup.

I have some of those book marked already fot pROJECT mAYHEM (my van conversion)

Leisure battery - looking at eBay for one of those at the minute - be careful of the amps that your alternator will kick out - the VW T5 kicks out something along the lines of 80Amps - better to go over spec on wire rather than have it melt - looking at this (http://tinyurl.com/yac59jo) for the split relay on my project. 

Carpet - http://www.megavanmats.com/ (http://www.megavanmats.com/) - supposed top be the dogs according to the T4 forum.

Lighting - http://www.ezone4.co.uk/flush_fitting_lights.htm (http://www.ezone4.co.uk/flush_fitting_lights.htm) - you may be able to find these cheaper and if you do let me know.

Bed\seat - simple(ish) choice between a rock and rolla bed (seats that fold into a bed) or make your own - currently at this stage myself and building a sleeping platform with storage underneath - wait a few days and I will give you the low down on how not to do it.

As for ICE - go on then show us yer willy...  ;)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 07, 2009, 08:23:07 pm
You can get a cheap leisure battery (120) for 80 notes at CCC.  Get an intelligent relay too so that it charges after the crank battery and run all of your ICE off it.

What's the high of said battery to the terminals dylan - the T5 will only accomodate something to the height of 190mm if you place it under the drivers\passenger seat IIRC.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 07, 2009, 08:27:38 pm
Last post on this thread for a few minutes - foam for seats - does anyone have the low down on what thickness to use for a comfortable day waiting out the rain\sleeping on and all that?

Looking further down the line seat covers for the foam - throw me some recommendations you lovely people!  :)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on October 07, 2009, 09:28:17 pm
does anyone have the low down on what thickness to use for a comfortable day waiting out the rain\sleeping on and all that?

I was thinking 5inch for my foam.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on October 07, 2009, 09:29:48 pm
Have double insulated it now. Better safe than sorry! Cheers guys.

Picking up the ICE next week.
Carpeting for the walls ceiling and floor. (Anyone know a good place where you can get that grey car material you so often see in VW campers?)
Leisure battery.
Lighting.
Bed/seating setup.

I have some of those book marked already fot pROJECT mAYHEM (my van conversion)

Leisure battery - looking at eBay for one of those at the minute - be careful of the amps that your alternator will kick out - the VW T5 kicks out something along the lines of 80Amps - better to go over spec on wire rather than have it melt - looking at this (http://tinyurl.com/yac59jo) for the split relay on my project. 

Carpet - http://www.megavanmats.com/ (http://www.megavanmats.com/) - supposed top be the dogs according to the T4 forum.

Lighting - http://www.ezone4.co.uk/flush_fitting_lights.htm (http://www.ezone4.co.uk/flush_fitting_lights.htm) - you may be able to find these cheaper and if you do let me know.

Bed\seat - simple(ish) choice between a rock and rolla bed (seats that fold into a bed) or make your own - currently at this stage myself and building a sleeping platform with storage underneath - wait a few days and I will give you the low down on how not to do it.

As for ICE - go on then show us yer willy...  ;)

Cheers for all the pointers. As for ICE, i am seeing my guy next week who will hook me up. Nothing special, half decent head unit, 6 * 9  speakers in the back and some decent door speakers. Might need an amp at some stage. Toying with the idea of a screen that folds down from the roof, but will stick with laptop for now to keep costs down.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 07, 2009, 10:43:02 pm
Costs will be the thing that slows everything down - it is not enough to plan for all the obvious things as there will be another 20% on top for random fixtures and the like to add on to whatever you have originally budgeted for.

I have probably mentioned it before but make sure you have a clear and logical plan of what you want to do - figure out what lights\stereo cabling runs you are going to need before you even think of doing any panelling as you will only end up taking it apart again otherwise.  I would also recommend being 100% sure of where you are installing your leisure battery and the associated fuse box(es) prior to doing any cabling. If you are carpeting panels make sure you leave a big enough gap to allow for the carpet to be folded over the edge of the board (I think it is something like 3mm per side) to get a neat join - allow a bit more if you are carpeting the pillars as well.

Head unit wise I went for one of these (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/alpine-cde-9882ri.html) and a damn fine head unit it is too - I have just got a USB stick plugged in but has full i-Pod control if you so desire*. Door speakers - if they are anything like as bad as the ones in the T5 then they are definitely in need of an upgrade and I have got factory installed tweeters in the dash so they are not being over worked on the top end - you might need to invest in templates for the speakers to sit in as well if they are like the T5 (they are moulded into a plastic housing).

Anyway have fun doing the fitting - personally speaking it is often frustrating but also extremely rewarding - if you need a hand or advice drop me a PM.

*There are probably other head units that will do the same thing for less bucks but I required 3 pre-outs due to the install that is going in the van.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Percy B on October 07, 2009, 10:56:53 pm
Not gone for a head unit with DAB....... rookie error! Digital radio is the one thing that keeps me sane on long journeys - no endless faffing with ipods, etc (although I can plug the ipod in if needs be). Get a good aerial and coverage is impecable.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 07, 2009, 11:07:44 pm
I would have liked to have had DAB via the head unit in the van but it proved scandalously expensive to get that as well as the other things that I wanted from a head unit so it got dropped. These (http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/moreinfo.cfm/Product_ID/5287) have been touted as a decent after market plug in should you want to install DAB without changing the head unit though.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 08, 2009, 01:06:24 pm
Toying with the idea of a screen that folds down from the roof, but will stick with laptop for now to keep costs down.

We considered one of these, but I think it just gives more reason to break in. Planning on using laptop instead, one that fits into the safe!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 08, 2009, 06:10:40 pm
My aspire D150 has been a god send on the trip so far. Its tiny and with the 6 cell battery life isn't really an issue. Uncle of course turned his nose up telling me that the screen didn't have good enough res to play hi-def...
In turns of ICE/Screens etc. I'd go as stealth as possible, take a look at the NNFN thread for reasons why, it seems people don't even need to see a reason to break in to a van.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on October 08, 2009, 10:30:55 pm
Ok, now car audio isn't my thing. But. I have no speakers in the back of the van and intend putting some in. Will normal run of the mill cable be ok or do i need something a bit more specialized?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Jim on October 08, 2009, 10:45:58 pm
make sure you use speaker cable and try not to use the cheapest, power cable and other wire does a terrible job
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 08, 2009, 11:28:35 pm
Ok, now car audio isn't my thing. But. I have no speakers in the back of the van and intend putting some in. Will normal run of the mill cable be ok or do i need something a bit more specialized?

You should be fine using standard speaker cable - usual caveats apply with regard to you get what you pay for etc.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 11, 2009, 01:49:02 pm
For anyone looking to buy an invertor for their van install this (http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=48724) looks very good value for money at £40 with free delivery - it goes back up to £70 on the 27th October when the offer ends so get them while they're cheap!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Serpico on October 11, 2009, 02:09:02 pm
Ok, now car audio isn't my thing. But. I have no speakers in the back of the van and intend putting some in. Will normal run of the mill cable be ok or do i need something a bit more specialized?

The only thing you need to be particular about is conductor size, and for your application .75 -1.5sqmm stranded copper wire will be more than adequate. It doesn't need to be 'speaker wire' mains cable will do - the movement of electrons and holes in copper wire is totally unaffected by hifi or car audio marketing hype.
As for carpet, one of the venues I work at regularly re carpets  it's stage, and I'm pretty sure that's happening this week, so I might be able to get you some dark blue twill if you want.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on October 12, 2009, 08:53:27 am
Ok, now car audio isn't my thing. But. I have no speakers in the back of the van and intend putting some in. Will normal run of the mill cable be ok or do i need something a bit more specialized?
As for carpet, one of the venues I work at regularly re carpets  it's stage, and I'm pretty sure that's happening this week, so I might be able to get you some dark blue twill if you want.

Sounds good, let us know this week if its a goer.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 12, 2009, 01:27:42 pm
Before I start Googling does anybody have any suggestions for a safe for the van? Ideally floor fixing with a front opening door and large enough to take a small laptop and a few other things such as sat nav and the like.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Drewski Rootbitch on October 12, 2009, 01:31:56 pm
I've had one of these in both of my last two vans. No problems, one under the passenger seat and the other under the raised floor. Cheap and big enough for documents and leccy bits.
http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=1500001801&productId=1500508877&langId=-1&engine=froogle&keyword=Laptop+Safe&_ (http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=1500001801&productId=1500508877&langId=-1&engine=froogle&keyword=Laptop+Safe&_)$ja=tsid:11527|cc:|prd:7017883|cat:Home+Safety+And+Alarms


Long link, but sort of works..?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 12, 2009, 01:46:21 pm
Before I start Googling does anybody have any suggestions for a safe for the van? Ideally floor fixing with a front opening door and large enough to take a small laptop and a few other things such as sat nav and the like.

you got mail. Don't want to shout where it is, it's a common spot on T5s
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 12, 2009, 03:11:34 pm
Cheers for the link Drewski :thumbsup: looks pretty much what I am looking for and the price is not going to kill me either.   
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on November 02, 2009, 03:42:26 pm
The ply has gone in now. Courtesy of Probes. Did in a few hours what would have taken me days!  :beer2:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2774/4068145765_a2d24c9fd0.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/4068145765/)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2549/4068145449_20c22f7271.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/4068145449/)

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on November 02, 2009, 03:46:11 pm
That's a great looking job. How did the week finish up in the SW?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on November 02, 2009, 03:49:34 pm
That's a great looking job. How did the week finish up in the SW?

In true surfer spiel, sick!  ;D
Wallet is a bit lighter though. Brand new top of the range Xcel 5/4 wetsuit better off though. Feels so light and flexible, more like a summer suit! But toasty warm.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on November 02, 2009, 03:51:24 pm
They are ace. had an Infiniti O Zip for 18 months now!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Probes on November 06, 2009, 10:33:44 am
 :great: Hey adam glad you happy with it. It didnt all come clattering down when you drove up the rode then? ;D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on November 06, 2009, 10:49:12 am
:great: Hey adam glad you happy with it. It didnt all come clattering down when you drove up the rode then? ;D

Haha, no spot on. Most of the carpet has gone on but chasing speaker cables before doing last bit, and fitting speakers in rear. Plus putting some fluro lights in.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Probes on November 06, 2009, 10:55:51 am
Nice, properly pimped up job then. Cambells in Lostock hall are pretty good n cheap for lights and stuff if you didnt know.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on November 06, 2009, 10:57:45 am
Plus putting some fluro lights in.

Fit LED strips if you can. brighter and lighter on power.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: account_inactive on November 06, 2009, 12:06:20 pm
LED's are the way to go for van living.  Very low power consumption
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on November 06, 2009, 05:24:19 pm
Bit of a pic update on the van conversion.

New stereo is in.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2457/4080977672_e58b70561c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/4080977672/)

Speakers fitted into wheel arch boxes.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3477/4080975706_d90dafc556.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/4080975706/)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2449/4080976194_0cc46e14a4.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/4080976194/)

Back door is carpeted.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3500/4080976726_0aebbb6fca.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/4080976726/)

So just waiting on some more carpet, which will go on after i have chased the lighting cables and the leisure battery cables. Bed frame/fold out seating arrangement/Storage will be the last modification.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on November 06, 2009, 06:17:31 pm
not tempted for some front captains seats? our passenger one makes the van much better for two.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on November 06, 2009, 07:18:13 pm
not tempted for some front captains seats? our passenger one makes the van much better for two.

Can you get a double captains seat? (I have a double seat and a single in my van) Bearing in mind my van is a Fiat not a transporter?

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on November 08, 2009, 03:28:37 pm
I don't know if they'd be readily available however they're basically just a pivot and a locking mechanism welded onto some kind of mount. Not what you'd call sophisticated...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on November 08, 2009, 08:45:50 pm
Not enough space to rotate on the pivot if you have a double and a single.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: richieb on November 15, 2009, 07:48:47 pm
Adam,
Nice van.
What kind of carpet is that and where did you get it from if you dont mind me asking?
I wondered about those cheap carpet tiles but with the rubber backing they are pretty heavy.
I've also thought about swapping my two person bench seat for a captains single, but having the extra seat for passengers does come in handy, especially if you dont have legal seats in the back. 


Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on November 15, 2009, 08:07:21 pm
Adam,
Nice van.
What kind of carpet is that and where did you get it from if you dont mind me asking?

Cheers, its almost fully carpeted, i will get some more pics up soon. The carpet is from a friend who works at the big conferences. They use it as floor covering there, so is used but in top nick. It is like the stuff VW put in their vans, but free.  ;D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: richieb on November 15, 2009, 10:15:04 pm
Ah I see....thanks. Will have a look around see if I can get something similar.
I've had my van over a year with no carpet lining (just the ply). Not been a problem but it would look abit nicer.   
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: chummer on November 15, 2009, 11:12:57 pm
If that's Richie B who smells nice you are a chummer. If not, I apologise.
 Go to a big carpet shop and either ask what end cuts they have(they're cheap) or just get the already cheap thin pile stuff thats kind of cordroy like, I think it's designed for bathrooms. It's quite thin but it's ideal. You will notice less noise when you're driving, it sorts the condensation out too, and makes it all nice and cosy. Use nice little screws with nice little fancy washers and/or a no more nails type glue, 'grip fill' is good as it has alot of 'grab'. Sorry if this has all been mentioned before but i'm being lazy and not reading the rest of the thread.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on November 30, 2009, 01:30:55 pm
Well, almost done. Just waiting on lights and leisure battery, then carpet the ceiling and i will be done. Oh and a mattress for bed  :)

The bed/seat that hinges out.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2563/4147271832_aa282178e5.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/4147271832/)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2485/4146515405_1c4b452c84.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/4146515405/)

The ICE!

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2658/4147272214_76898c8a88.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/4147272214/)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2575/4147271950_91c9881084.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/4147271950/)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on November 30, 2009, 01:54:20 pm
Pimped!!

You got flouro tubes to go underneath for cruising Blackpool yet? Or is that so last year.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on November 30, 2009, 01:58:31 pm
Pimped!!

You got flouro tubes to go underneath for cruising Blackpool yet? Or is that so last year.

No. As i keep telling people, the amp and sub are for crisper punchier music, not for bone rattling bass.  ;) Slight difference. When you have a van, music from stereo always sounds shite. Mine sounds like a decent stereo in a car now.

And anyway Chris, why bother going to Blackpool. Preston docks has more than enough boy racers.  :lol:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on November 30, 2009, 02:00:41 pm
I'll take your word for it. It's the Boule(vard) Boys up here.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Probes on November 30, 2009, 05:30:52 pm
Holy shit Adam, nice job/boudvoure, prime  :shag: vaggen.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Andy B on January 17, 2010, 05:43:41 pm
We have a drive away awning for our van which we have hardly ever used, because to use it securely you need to be on a campsite, which defeats one of our reasons for having a van, ie. not being limited to camp sites or paying camping costs.

I agree, but as we will be spending a little more time on camp-sites given my new found status as a family man, bring on the big tenty thing to store all our crap in whilst on a climbing/biking/schmooling tour of southern France in September. If you don't use yours and want rid of it, I'll buy it off you Andy!

I suspect you already have an awning by now, but as our van has been nicked, the awning is now for sale to anyone who wants it. I've no idea how much they cost so make me an offer and it'll probably be yours.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: account_inactive on January 17, 2010, 07:59:59 pm
Worth speaking to Ben P.  He'll want for his van now that we have bought one ;)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: RichK on March 22, 2010, 12:15:20 pm
Hi all, advice needed. I'm wanting to power/charge a laptop in the van, it has a leisure battery & a few 12v cig sockets. There are inverters out there that will do the job (i think) but I'm wondering how safe they are with a laptop & I'm wary of blowing van fuses etc. Yep,my electrics knowledge is rubbish. This sort of thing seems to get good reviews;
 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Belkin-AC-Anywhere-Power-Inverter/dp/B000HEYTR4/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Belkin-AC-Anywhere-Power-Inverter/dp/B000HEYTR4/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top)

It'll be mainly for long trips/rainy nights watching the odd DVD when spirits are low. Wondering how much juice a 2 hour charge(Film length) would use. I guess it will depend on how much driving/re-charge time the aux battery gets when driving??

Any words of wisdom?   




 
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on March 22, 2010, 12:26:48 pm
I used a Black and Decker 400W inverter without issue for 6 months, didn't blow a fuse once and I used it on the leisure battery and through the cig lighter.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: account_inactive on March 22, 2010, 03:10:28 pm
Try to avoid using inverters as much as possible as they drain the battery fast stepping up the voltage to 230/240 and then back down for the computer etc.  I have a leisure battery and an relay to keep it charged but run most things off 12v.  Most laptops and phones will have a 12v charger so buy one of those and then plum in some new cigarette 12v's from the leisure battery
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ben on March 22, 2010, 03:41:01 pm
as Dylan says, no point converts 12v up to 230v with an inverter and then using a laptop mains adaptor to bring it back down to 9v or so, just convert DC-DC.  If you have a read on your laptop adaptor it'll tell you want voltage&current output it is. I have one of these for a tenner >>
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=228639 (http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=228639)
Set your voltage output and it has a range of plug types to fit different latops/radios/etc.  ideal for van usage
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on March 22, 2010, 04:09:46 pm
Try to avoid using inverters as much as possible as they drain the battery fast stepping up the voltage to 230/240 and then back down for the computer etc.  I have a leisure battery and an relay to keep it charged but run most things off 12v.  Most laptops and phones will have a 12v charger so buy one of those and then plum in some new cigarette 12v's from the leisure battery

the problem is if you go down this line you need a tonne of different chargers that all add up to extra dosh.

Ben's suggestion sounds much better to me. However like I said I didn't have any problems keeping things charged just using the inverter and I don't think I drained my leisure battery completely, once.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: account_inactive on March 22, 2010, 04:58:38 pm
A decent 400w inverter is around £70.  You can get a laptop 12v charger for about £10 max.  How many devices do you have!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on March 22, 2010, 05:43:01 pm
oh come on if you're paying that for an inverter then you're a mug. I had it from the old van where I'd wired the electronics so that the sockets (already in) could work with either the hook up or the inverter. It cost me 19.99 and I've got at least two devices that I used it with. Phone, DSLR battery charger, Laptop etc. Plus if you use McD's wifi then you'll want the mains plug while you're in there...
By limiting the amount we took with us I think we made the van infinitely more comfortable and easy to live in for extended periods of time. Do you really want to carry two of every charging cable?
Like I said before Bens suggestion seems spot on, cable klepto Dylogs does not.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: account_inactive on March 22, 2010, 06:33:07 pm
whatever girlfriend
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Andy B on March 22, 2010, 06:45:17 pm
The awning is still available if anybody wants one.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on March 23, 2010, 10:36:48 am
Anyone got any innovative ideas for sleeping space for a little one in a "snug" campervan? 3 months now, but will likely be a couple of months older before we start using the van for sleeping.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: RichK on March 23, 2010, 02:44:13 pm
Thanks for your tips chaps.

Think this is the way I'll go;

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kensington-Ultra-Portable-Power-Inverter/dp/B000HEW0KM/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kensington-Ultra-Portable-Power-Inverter/dp/B000HEW0KM/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top)

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on March 23, 2010, 03:16:35 pm
Have just finished insulating and carpeting a T5, and now have a Cannons Forge  (http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/Cannons-Forge-t4bedsrgr8__W0QQ_nkwZbedsQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_fsubZ13991242QQ_sasiZ1)RnR bed installed - they seem excellent by the way.. 

The one nagging thing I can't decide on is whether I should have put a vapor barrier between the ply and the insulation.    Opinions seem to be divided. 

I've used a layer of foil bubble wrap against the metal, followed by recycled plastic bottle insulation, then the carpeted ply panels.  On the one hand a vapor barrier is going to prevent moist air from getting to the colder surfaces and condensing, how ever its also going to prevent air flow from traveling through the insulated cavities and out the vents at the rear which also seems important for getting moist air out of the van.  Currently I've not bothered, but now's the time to put one in if required, before I get fitting the kitchen.  Anyone got any real experience either way of this, in particular bad experiences of not putting one in?

I'd also echo the thoughts about using 12v instead of an inverter where possible, especially if parked up in one place for a while.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on March 23, 2010, 03:44:39 pm
One thing our van doesn't have is good insulation. I retro stripped all the panels I could get to but in reality that probably came to around 1/3rd in total. Consequently we don't have a great deal of insulation. What we did have was window insulation which I think made a big difference. Just sat in it before we left you could feel the diference these made to the van, they also made it very dark.
We didn't really suffer from condensation. Even with the roof up, we only got enough condensation on the Alu frame to cause a problem i.e. drip once or twice. The majority of the condensation seems to occur in the cab and there's not a lot you can do about that.
I'm not completely convinced by van insulating after this as I was umming and ahhing whether or not the van was worth buying because it appeared the previous owners had skipped what I saw as the first thing to do.
In reality it seemed no worse  (temperature wise) than others vans in which we had coffee etc. We weren't even in sleeping bags, just an ikea thick winter duvet!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on March 23, 2010, 04:08:48 pm
Cheers Paul.  That makes sense to me, basically given enough time then a van with no heat in is going to cool to the temp of the air outside (assuming its colder), insulation is only going to slow that process down.  Similarly with the sun I guess, it'll help keep it cool in the morning sun, but given long enough then its going to get warmer...  Stick a gas / diesel heater in there and I guess it'll be of much more use then though.  Either way it has had the added benefit of making the ride much quieter now :)

My main worry is condensation getting 'stuck' in the fluffy insulation and going manky and starting to smell.  Dunno if that can happen with the plastic bottle stuff or not.  Also I guess damp insulation and metal are not ideal, but its not like its bare untreated metalwork so I 'm thinking that should be ok.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on March 23, 2010, 04:30:59 pm
I think its got its place but it needs to be done to the level of Bonjoy to make it worthwile IMO.

One thing Dan mentioned is that his diesel heater made the air very dry. I used to have a propex in the previous van which was great. I was thinking of fitting one to this van, it would have made it more comfortable for just sitting around in but with the van already being fitted out etc. there was nowhhere appropriate left to do so.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on March 23, 2010, 04:43:18 pm
I haven't bothered with a vapour layer on my install - just put in 25mm Celotex under the floor, 25\50mm Celotex board in the sides and multiple layers of silver bubble wrap for the roof. As you say opinions are divided on this matter but I really can't see that there is going to be that much of an issue with vapour getting trapped. As Paul said the main area that you are going to be losing heat is via the windows which is also where you get the majority of the condensation issues and you can soon resolve those by getting a few packets of Silica Gel and leaving them on the dash board overnight.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: El Mocho on March 23, 2010, 08:14:29 pm
Anyone got any innovative ideas for sleeping space for a little one in a "snug" campervan? 3 months now, but will likely be a couple of months older before we start using the van for sleeping.

Hey Chris,

We have snug camper van, kid and a dog so its pretty tight!

We bought a 'hamock' thing for May off some VW camper website (dont remember which though sorry) cost bout £50. It is 2 telescopic poles which (after screwing on 4 brackets) goes across the van (above our bed) and between the poles is a canvass sheet. May is then suspended directly above us so it is pretty easy when she wakes in the night. They are designed to go in the cab (across van above the seats/stearing wheel) so if you have tall cuboards in the back you can fit it in the front (also claimed they can sleep adults in them)

If you struggling to find info on web can send you pics or maybe find who we bought it from...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on March 23, 2010, 08:36:10 pm
Cheers Ben, sounds good. What age was May using that from and until?

Is it this type?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Volkswagen-T4-Kids-Campervan-Cab-Bunk_W0QQitemZ220564771231QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxq20100304?IMSfp=TL100304214002r11455 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Volkswagen-T4-Kids-Campervan-Cab-Bunk_W0QQitemZ220564771231QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxq20100304?IMSfp=TL100304214002r11455)

or more like this

http://www.justkampers.com/shop/type_2_bay/type-2-bay-vehicle-accessories/interior-accessories/beds-bunks/cab-child-bunk-storage-j11825.html (http://www.justkampers.com/shop/type_2_bay/type-2-bay-vehicle-accessories/interior-accessories/beds-bunks/cab-child-bunk-storage-j11825.html)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on March 23, 2010, 09:00:03 pm
Price of this one is quite amusing
http://www.swcampers.co.uk/index.php/camper-t4-vw-t5-van-styling-customising/t4-vw-t5-camper-van-cab-bunk (http://www.swcampers.co.uk/index.php/camper-t4-vw-t5-van-styling-customising/t4-vw-t5-camper-van-cab-bunk)

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on March 24, 2010, 10:22:09 am
Just found this link (http://www.vw-beds.com/) on the Brickyard re: hammock things - I haven't investigated further but it might be of use.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on March 24, 2010, 11:25:34 am
excellent. And considerably better priced than the SW campers one. Cheers.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: El Mocho on March 25, 2010, 08:43:58 pm
Looks like the one in the second link, but as the first link has gone I can't be sure. May is still using it now (coming up to 4) and first started using it around 6 months? I think we rigged some way that she couldn't fall out of it.

The justcampers one is better than bluebrads link for us as we don't have a vw (so might not fit) and because we use it in the back of the van, also it looks a fair bit wider so May can tun over easier and hopefully keep using it for plenty more years (although we may move it to the cab to give her and us a bit more headroom now she is a little older)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: slackline on May 04, 2010, 11:49:57 am
Quick question regarding plugs/charging.

I'm off to Verdon this weekend and realised I might want to charge my camera battery whilst out there.  We're camping so euro-plug adapters aren't an option.  We are however hiring a car, so I was wondering if there is such a thing as a cigarette adapter for figure-eight type plugs that are required to plug into my Nikon battery charger..

(http://www.ktcables.co.uk/images/Figure%208%20Power%20Lead.jpg)

The charger is Nikon Mh-18A (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nikon-Mh-18A-Uk-Battery-Charger/dp/B000F4MLSU/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1272969974&sr=1-16) and the description indicates its 100-240v input.  I know close to nothing about all the voltage stuff, but have a suspicion the output on fag chargers is ~12V and won't cut the mustard, but are there smart gadgets that up this (something to do with voltage/amplitude/impedence and their relationship to each other, shit I didn't pay attention to in Physics 'cause Biology/Genetics was far more interesting  :P).

Have spent a while trying to find such an item but with little joy/success.

Or should I just fork out for a spare battery?  :-\
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 04, 2010, 11:52:04 am
why not take an adapter plug and ask nicely when in the bar?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: GCW on May 04, 2010, 11:54:05 am
You could buy an inverter, not the most efficient and you'd need to be driving to avoid killing your battery.  But then you could just plug any 240V chargers into it.  Can be a bit costly though.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 04, 2010, 11:57:06 am
La Palud to the Belverdere isn't going to charge anything.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: slackline on May 04, 2010, 12:17:44 pm
why not take an adapter plug and ask nicely when in the bar?

That had crossed my mind and will likely try it (although my French extends to the essentials, i.e. ordering beer; asking for a lighter; asking for an ash-tray.  Know a selection of random words but can't string sentences together to save my life).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: GCW on May 04, 2010, 12:20:26 pm
La Palud to the Belverdere isn't going to charge anything.

No, but if it's just a camera battery there shouldn't be too much of an issue as it's low drain, so you could charge with the engine off for a while.  And if you charge each time you drive (including supermarket etc trips) you should get enough charge.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 04, 2010, 12:39:54 pm
why not take an adapter plug and ask nicely when in the bar?

That had crossed my mind and will likely try it (although my French extends to the essentials, i.e. ordering beer; asking for a lighter; asking for an ash-tray.  Know a selection of random words but can't string sentences together to save my life).

I seriously wouldn't forsee it being a problem and if you are on the camp site I'm pretty sure there were plugs that people were using. Come to think of it the guy that works in the tourist info (think simpsons here) will give you a hand.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on May 04, 2010, 01:16:46 pm
I have got an inverter you can borrow if you want - it's going in the van eventually but haven't got round to fitting it yet. Comes with two handy crocodile clips to connect to the battery in the car which could prove interesting if you wish to charge while driving but as GCW has already said the amount of drain you will be pulling should be low so charging while parked up could be an option.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ben on May 04, 2010, 01:34:02 pm
I have got an inverter you can borrow if you want - it's going in the van eventually but haven't got round to fitting it yet. Comes with two handy crocodile clips to connect to the battery in the car which could prove interesting if you wish to charge while driving but as GCW has already said the amount of drain you will be pulling should be low so charging while parked up could be an option.
I'd be careful running an inverter off the car battery without the engine running. You're right that the camera charger probably only draws a few mA, but the inverter will draw a lot more and flatten your battery reasonably quickly.

I'd go with the campsite adaptor option, something like "excuse-moi, puis je...."  (whilst pointing your plug adaptor at the nearest power socket...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on May 04, 2010, 01:36:09 pm
You might even find there is a power socket for razors in the toilet blocks, but then you are at the mercy of tea leaves. Hve you got a spare battery just in case?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: slackline on May 04, 2010, 02:27:05 pm
@Paul B & ben : Cheers, think I'll use my best pigeon french and some gesturing should needs be.

@SA Chris : Think I'll grab a spare battery too just in case, never a bad thing to have.

@bluebrad : Cheers for the offer, no idea how big the inverter is but we're heading down by train so have plenty of stuff to carry and the other options sound a bit easier.


May come back to this problem in the future as its a problem I envisage encountering again and there may not always be a friendly hostilery to help out.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SteG on May 04, 2010, 03:16:12 pm
this http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?moduleno=225610 (http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?moduleno=225610) will do the job, just need make sure it's not plugged in when you start the engine or the fuse might blow. £18 online.

(http://www.maplin.co.uk/images/full/A85HZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: slackline on May 04, 2010, 04:01:54 pm
Cheers SteG  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 04, 2010, 04:50:07 pm
but thats just an inverter...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: slackline on May 04, 2010, 05:23:04 pm
I had no idea how big inverters were and with the talk of them higher in the thread had (deluded) visions of a box about the size of a car battery  :oops:

Anyway, spare battery bought, will consider one of these tiny inverters for future, but for this trip will rely on the kindness of bar owners if needs be.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 10, 2010, 10:36:03 pm
Does anyone run a Berlingo/Partner/Caddy as a weekender?

We did make the right choice selling our t4 as Nat commutes daily but we're leaning towards something of this size as we seem to be spending every weekend away.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: robertostallioni on May 10, 2010, 10:45:20 pm
Drews just got, and boarded out an old Berlingo van 1.9D. He's managed to reduce the top speed to 55mph but likes the vehicle itself. When I got my Partner I remember being recommended the 2.0HDi as the 1.9D was underpowered....FACT. QED. Loads of space as a weekender, The car version(mine) is a little noisier than a normal car, probably as there is so much glass....
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 10, 2010, 10:50:17 pm
I'd probably be looking at the 1.9TDI 104 in the Caddy. Should be far from underpowered. Sick of flattening the seats and piling the punto high with pad, gear, ropes etc.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: robertostallioni on May 10, 2010, 11:02:58 pm
Fair enough. That was an old S reg 1.9D if i remember rightly, and contains more wood and foil than the right hand one below.
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Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on May 11, 2010, 01:28:20 am
I'd probably be looking at the 1.9TDI 104 in the Caddy. Should be far from underpowered. Sick of flattening the seats and piling the punto high with pad, gear, ropes etc.

That will go like a beast - same engine as in my T5 and that will sit at 80 without complaining. Just replied to your PM BTW but depending on how the Caddy is set up (ie if it is the same as the T5) throwing £50 at it and blanking off the EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) and putting a decent air filter on it will make it a far better thing to drive. Just done it on my van and the difference it makes is amazing.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 11, 2010, 01:57:58 am
Obviously this:

(http://www.roleks.se/cg15.jpg)

is what we need (yellow beast MKII)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on May 11, 2010, 02:53:42 am
Looking at the drop on that it's not very crag friendly - it's a shit shed in the background as well!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 11, 2010, 03:03:16 am
Oh don't get all practical.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on May 11, 2010, 08:43:17 am
Quick question regarding plugs/charging.

I'm off to Verdon this weekend and realised I might want to charge my camera battery whilst out there.  We're camping so euro-plug adapters aren't an option.  We are however hiring a car, so I was wondering if there is such a thing as a cigarette adapter for figure-eight type plugs that are required to plug into my Nikon battery charger..

(http://www.ktcables.co.uk/images/Figure%208%20Power%20Lead.jpg)

The charger is Nikon Mh-18A (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nikon-Mh-18A-Uk-Battery-Charger/dp/B000F4MLSU/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1272969974&sr=1-16) and the description indicates its 100-240v input.  I know close to nothing about all the voltage stuff, but have a suspicion the output on fag chargers is ~12V and won't cut the mustard, but are there smart gadgets that up this (something to do with voltage/amplitude/impedence and their relationship to each other, shit I didn't pay attention to in Physics 'cause Biology/Genetics was far more interesting  :P).

Have spent a while trying to find such an item but with little joy/success.

Or should I just fork out for a spare battery?  :-\
Worth finding out what the output voltage of your charger is. Often phone/camera chargers which plug into mains (AC 240v) have a transformer on them which converts the electricity to DC 12V or lower. In which case it’s a nonsense to plug it into an inverter as you are draining your car battery by converting 12V to 240V then back down to 12V again. When I was on my euro trip I got round this by wiring the jack plug cut off a mains charger onto the output lead of a cheapo universal charger, i.e. one you can plug into the 12v cig lighter and then set the output voltage to anything from 12-1V.

Universal adaptor:
(http://[url=http://www.quasarelectronics.com/images/skytronic/cva531.jpg]http://www.quasarelectronics.com/images/skytronic/cva531.jpg[/url])
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on May 11, 2010, 09:08:33 am
I'd probably be looking at the 1.9TDI 104 in the Caddy. Should be far from underpowered. Sick of flattening the seats and piling the punto high with pad, gear, ropes etc.

That will go like a beast - same engine as in my T5 and that will sit at 80 without complaining.

Word. Surprising acceleration as well.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on May 11, 2010, 01:10:26 pm
Word. Surprising acceleration as well.

If you haven't done the mods that I previously mentioned then do those - takes it to another level completely lower down on the rev range due to the turbo have more back pressure and thereby spinning up quicker - just make sure you declare them with your insurance company if you do.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on May 11, 2010, 02:17:10 pm
What you said is greek to me TBH, a bit of knowledge is dangerous. Plus it's still under manufacturer's warranty, so don't want to be arsing about with it too much right now.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bubba on May 11, 2010, 02:31:52 pm
FWIW, I've just blanked the EGR on my Mondeo and it's made a massive difference - car runs so much happier now.

The blanking plate was £4 from ebay, and it took 10 minutes to fit.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 11, 2010, 02:36:56 pm
It sounds like on some PD models EGR blanking can cause some minor issues though, shudder at shutoff, slower warmup times, warning light. Plus the EG's are recirculated as (I know this sounds mental) a coolant aren't they?

Trying to find a caddy, 104, electric pack, aircon, appearance pack (colour coordinated bumpers) with a lifting tailgate seems very tricky. I know the latter can be sorted easily enough but the insurance policy I'll be switching doesn't favour modifications.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on May 11, 2010, 03:04:07 pm
It sounds like on some PD models EGR blanking can cause some minor issues though, shudder at shutoff, slower warmup times, warning light. Plus the EG's are recirculated as (I know this sounds mental) a coolant aren't they?

There is sometimes a warning light coming on after fitting the EGR blank but it tends to be a bit random by all accounts - no real hard and fast rule as to whether it will or won't happen - all I can say is that it didn't on mine (PD 104).

EGR is just a plain stupid idea full stop IMHO - why throw dirty exhaust gas back into the mixture again? Supposedly it helps with emissions but in reality it just makes the engine run worse and can in the worst cases coke up the engine completely.

Trying to find a caddy, 104, electric pack, aircon, appearance pack (colour coordinated bumpers) with a lifting tailgate seems very tricky. I know the latter can be sorted easily enough but the insurance policy I'll be switching doesn't favour modifications.

I would advise checking very carefully that the tailgate can be easily swapped from barn doors if you are thinking of going down that route - the Caddy might well be different but it is such a ball ache of a job on the T5 as to make it not worth the hassle by all accounts.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 11, 2010, 03:25:18 pm
the thinking is it'll give us somewhere to cook under which barn doors won't as there won't be much space for a cooker in the caddy?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on May 11, 2010, 03:26:28 pm
Sadly barndoors are a standard on VW Utility vehicles to allow forklift access, and tailgates are an extra. Switching over is apparently a right pain, as bb says, and not worth it. Better to live with barndoors. Didn't Tanman do a conversion on a Partner or something recently?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on May 11, 2010, 03:27:51 pm
the thinking is it'll give us somewhere to cook under which barn doors won't as there won't be much space for a cooker in the caddy?

Would be easier to just hook up an awning or tarp or something between the doors once open.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 11, 2010, 03:54:22 pm
how is that easier than just opening the back door (upwards)?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 11, 2010, 03:58:34 pm
Sadly barndoors are a standard on VW Utility vehicles to allow forklift access, and tailgates are an extra. Switching over is apparently a right pain, as bb says, and not worth it. Better to live with barndoors. Didn't Tanman do a conversion on a Partner or something recently?

I've seen them with lifting tailgates, I wouldn't ever go down the path of switching them. I have to be honest, I'm not that keen on a Fiat/Pug/Citroen type van. My MRS will have to commute in it still so it needs to not be a noisy rattly tin box. My experiences with my last VW van is so positive I think I'll be sticking with the brand.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on May 11, 2010, 04:13:33 pm
how is that easier than just opening the back door (upwards)?

Not easier, but easier than trying to retrofit a tailgate.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on May 11, 2010, 04:15:09 pm
Sadly barndoors are a standard on VW Utility vehicles to allow forklift access, and tailgates are an extra. Switching over is apparently a right pain, as bb says, and not worth it. Better to live with barndoors. Didn't Tanman do a conversion on a Partner or something recently?

I've seen them with lifting tailgates

They certainly do exist, just not the standard and need to be specified as an optional extra at time of ordering.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 14, 2010, 01:45:01 am
A pricey extra as well at ~2k

Anyway, I lasted for about a week, maybe two without a van. Last night I bought a stunning Caddy before the advert even got printed in Autotrader.

55 Reg 2006
104 Tdi
Tailgate
Cruise Control
Climate Control
Electrics Pack
Appearance Pack
Side steps
errr.... 18" Golf R32 Alloys  8)
Stainless steel powerflo exhaust system

The back needs re-pannelling and a better job doing of the insulation as by all accounts this guy obviously isn't a dab hand with wood and carpet. Anybody used either a fitter or one of the CNC'd kits? They seem to cost the same as the wood would (for the caddy at least)? He's done a damn good job of the exterior. I'll post some pics when I've taken some that do it justice.

Can't figure out whether to go for a fixed platform style of bed or a R+R type design. Ideally it needs to be able to fit a large moon pad, ropes, rack , cooking gear (coolbox/stove) and the odd piece of clothing. This may require a lot of re-jigging with a R+R type design?

Not going to bother with a leisure battery, just run some low drain LEDS off the main battery for rear lighting.
Clues on how to get a non switched live into the back of the van? or where the earthing pin might be in the back of the caddy? Oooh and any lovely switches? (I've always fancied one of the missile launch type rockers but they're not 'classy').
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on May 14, 2010, 09:13:36 am
Excellent.

I know Tanman and RichieB have done conversions with similar, but my instinct would be to say go for a platform bed in the back (possibly that folds in half).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 14, 2010, 11:09:25 am
I've hassled Adam for some more recent pics (he seems absent at the minute?)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on May 14, 2010, 11:25:33 am
Probably hanging out with Adam O.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on May 14, 2010, 11:33:48 am
Clues on how to get a non switched live into the back of the van? or where the earthing pin might be in the back of the caddy? Oooh and any lovely switches? (I've always fancied one of the missile launch type rockers but they're not 'classy').

Do the interior lights currently fitted have the timed on and the non-timed on function? To work it out check the light itself as it will rock to three positions - the symbols should dictate which is which but if it rocks to three positions then it should have the ability. Assuming it does then I will let you know how to rewire it using an On-Off-On switch.

Switches - I went all old skool and fitted these (http://tinyurl.com/2u4sotr).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 14, 2010, 01:54:10 pm
I'll check later, the ones from the bulkhead are out as you can get bulkhead blanking pillars.

The one in the back (side), I can't remember having a switch but again, I'll check.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on May 14, 2010, 02:22:20 pm
Just push one end of the lamp and the whole lens will rock if it has the timed\non-timed lights fitted which I suspect it will have - it's not obvious till you know what to look for.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 16, 2010, 02:32:44 pm
Do the interior lights currently fitted have the timed on and the non-timed on function? To work it out check the light itself as it will rock to three positions

Yeah they do rock like this. Feel free to hit me with the relevant knowledge.

Picked it up on Fri, drove no more than 5 miles and got a damn stone chip/crack in the front window. Looking at the autoglass website its borderline whether or not it can be fixed (find out  tommorrow) because of its size and location. Its not moving an inch until that appointment.

Stripped out the ply lining done before (it looks like a kit). Terrible fit but now I'm left with the manufacturers cardboard esque half height panels and a lot of space up the top which I'm a little unsure what to do with. I don't want to buy a kit and then find its just as shit as what I've removed.

I'm also hoping that the bulkhead can be 'trimmed' to cover the gaping holes on the B pillars.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on May 16, 2010, 03:10:38 pm
I will PM you the details re: rewiring.

Panels - just how bad a fit are they and how are they held in? Could always cut new panels put of 6mm ply using the old ones as a rough template and carpet those.

What's the issue with the B pillars - can't figure out what the problem is from the limited description you have given so far.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 16, 2010, 03:58:27 pm
The bulkhead has the B pillar trim integral to it on vans specced with a bulkhead, thus when removed you get an unsightly gap between the cab and the back trim. I'm sure VW will make a part for X hundred quid but seeing as though the bulkhead seems to be exactly the same shape with a bit added on a bit of wonder dremmeling should leave me with just the pillar covers and if not there's nothing really lost and I'll try and source a part or look at alternatives. Clear as mud?

The old panels were a reall shit fit, the boxed were stapled (!!!) together and had lots of claggy sealant on them. They didn't survive removal either.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on May 16, 2010, 04:42:19 pm
Clear as mud?

Still pretty much in opaque territory here but - I think I can see what you mean but not sure. You could you dremmel off the excess but it is likely to look a bit of a pigs ear - suppose you could carpet the bit that's left to hide your handiwork though?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 16, 2010, 09:15:04 pm
There's a very obvious cut line on the part. I'll try it, if its shit (likely) i'll bin it and try another solution. I'm hoping to aquire team beastiality makers skills with the dremmel as they'll be significantly better than me.
I've seen people make good work of re-designing and renovating dashes with a little care so that might work as well.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 17, 2010, 03:44:05 pm
Anybody know a reasonably priced metal fabricator in Sheffield? In order to preserve head room and storage space the bed structure needs to be as thin as possible so I'm thinking of getting a simple frame made up.

Autoglass did their theing today and then came out and said that they weren't happy with the results so no charge (not so bad), and that the resing hadn't seemed to go into the 'legs' of the crack so it might still split, or it might last for ever.  :-\ (Not quite a NNFN but certainly my luck, at least it didn't crack the instant they put the machine on it [which you had to sign to agree with])
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 19, 2010, 01:13:13 am
Sorry to flood this thread a bit but I thought some of you might want to see whats got me so 'excited'  :shag:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4043/4620304516_bfdf60b99a_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39660023@N03/4620304516/)
or
View Large on Black (http://bighugelabs.com/onblack.php?id=4620304516&size=large)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 22, 2010, 05:58:26 pm
Started doing the work today, behold the first new panel, vinyl floor and bulkhead trimmed down to make the B pillar trim (only one minor scar on it needs some attention).

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3351/4629081147_ec44bb2c83.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39660023@N03/4629081147/)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4012/4629671586_b6ee48a0bf.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39660023@N03/4629671586/)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4005/4629084949_4f1634b052.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39660023@N03/4629084949/)

I'll keep all future posts out of here I'm just very happy I didn't cut my arm off today, only got mildly sunburnt instead.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: wMickey on May 30, 2010, 07:07:11 pm
Can anyone give me a bit of help with my split charge relay?
I've recently bought a ready converted van, it has a nice big leisure battery with all the usual stuff on it (lights, water pump etc)
It has a switch on the dash to turn on the split charge thingy. I'm a bit unsure as to when I can use it and for how long... If I leave it on constantly will my normal van battery not get charged or does it charge one first then the other? And if so why should I want to turn it off at all????
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on May 30, 2010, 08:32:48 pm
If its a proper split charge it does the main battery first then the leisure but it sounds like yous might have some kind of home made switch over. Does it actually have a split charge relay? Whats the switch connected to?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on June 02, 2010, 11:26:00 pm
OK so it seems my head unit thinks there is an FM blackhole between  Nottingham and Watford gap which gets a bit tedious.

That got me thinking as I'm going to a car audio place tommorrow I might look at (double DIN) DAB radios but reading a bit more there seems to be mixed opinions on whether they're worth it/ massive black holes/ some stations broadcasting in shit quality.

I remember Percy saying something DAB based, got anything to add to the debate?

Initially I was going to look at low profile underseat style subs as anything on view will lead to my window being smashed through and it being removed as well as an AUX input (invaluable on our trip), people want 80 quid for this which seems nuts. After market head unit could remove this cost easily.

I (/we) did all the carpeting on mine this weekend + wiring which was a major undertaking. Due to this I spent most of tonights works sessions showing off my handywork rather than climbing (in my defence it was boiling).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Johnny Brown on June 03, 2010, 10:14:39 am
I've never noticed an FM blackhole on the M1. A bit on the M6 over past Tebay maybe. And that's with shit radios, so seems wierd. My experiences of DAB have been worse reception.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: MattW on June 03, 2010, 11:19:32 am
Has anyone got any experience of using solar trickle chargers?

I converted a T4 but want some better lighting in the back, rather than battery powered LED stuff that does nothing but induce migraines. It would only be for lighting, i would charge things like phones and laptops on the move. Would you be able to run say the normal interior lights, or a couple low power lights off the main battery for 2/3hrs a night if left charging all day? Or if i went the way of the leisure battery and charged this as a stand alone power source would that work?

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on June 03, 2010, 11:21:08 am
I've never noticed an FM blackhole on the M1. A bit on the M6 over past Tebay maybe. And that's with shit radios, so seems wierd. My experiences of DAB have been worse reception.

Me neither, there's another short one between meadowhell and junction 34 which is our main route off the M1 and fairly annoying. Convinced its the head unit.

Bonjoy has a solar charging setup on his leisure battery that seemed like an amazing setup.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on June 03, 2010, 01:22:58 pm
Has anyone got any experience of using solar trickle chargers?
...
Or if i went the way of the leisure battery and charged this as a stand alone power source would that work?

Solar trickle chargers give out very little power.  5W is a 'powerful' one, at 12V that's ~0.4A.  That's the theoretical max as well, in the UK your real output will likely be much less.  The lights in my van are LED based ones from IKEA, and are about 4W, so theoretically you could, but in practice probably not.

Personally I'd do it properly and add a split charge relay and a leisure battery.  That way your keeping you options open for the future and know its all going to work without any hassles.  I think in a T4 you can mount a 2nd battery right next to the starter one.  Plenty of info about all this on the t4forum.  Raw Components is a good place to get a split charge and cables from - they do kits with all that you will need. 

You probably know already but remember to fuse all your circuits, just in case a cable wears through.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on June 03, 2010, 02:58:34 pm
I am pretty sure you can mount a leisure battery next to the starter battery on the T4 - think you have to turn the starter battery 90 degrees to make it fit though - as suggested the T4 forum or The Brick-yard are the best places for info.

If you are going down the split relay charger route then I would suggest running one of these (http://www.tidytransporters.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=43&products_id=387) - makes the whole wiring up experience a lot easier as it is all contained within the one box. Fitted one in my van and it is a nice piece of kit.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on June 03, 2010, 03:50:01 pm
If you are going down the split relay charger route then I would suggest running one of these (http://www.tidytransporters.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=43&products_id=387) - makes the whole wiring up experience a lot easier as it is all contained within the one box. Fitted one in my van and it is a nice piece of kit.

I looked at them when doing mine, and they are pretty neat, but there is nothing there you can't do yourself for 1/2 the cost. 135quid for essentially a VSR relay, and some fuses is pretty pricey. 

The whole camper van world is a total scam, most things seem to cost twice what they should simply because they are going into a van.  The VW van world seems the worst.  Eg, that box essentially contains a 40quid relay, a big red switch, a few wires and a fuse board with a fancy connector.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Nigel on June 03, 2010, 04:13:46 pm

The whole camper van world is a total scam, most things seem to cost twice what they should simply because they are going into a van.  The VW van world seems the worst.
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Agreed. I was discussing this with a fellow van owning friend the other day. These guys must be laughing all the way to the bank, they basically make scaled down versions of what are literally common as muck items in the real world, then sell them for sky-high prices. E.g. sinks, hobs, switches, etc. But people buy it.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on June 03, 2010, 04:32:50 pm
I am pretty sure you can mount a leisure battery next to the starter battery on the T4 - think you have to turn the starter battery 90 degrees to make it fit though - as suggested the T4 forum or The Brick-yard are the best places for info.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. When I put the correct size battery in mine there was zero room anywhere surounding it. I guess it might depend on the engine. In my case it was the 2.5 tdi and a big Bosch jobbie.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: MattW on June 04, 2010, 01:16:44 pm
Cheers for the replies and info chaps.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: sidewinder on July 08, 2010, 10:18:17 am
Hello campervan owners.  My parents have recently bought my friends T4, he had fitted it out, but they wanted to put a window in the sliding door.  They found a recommended place to do it, for about £130.  The problem came when my dad rung to see about getting me on the insurance so that I could drive it to and from the place for him.  It turns out both that they won't insure me and that they class the addition of a side window as a 'material modification' to the vehicle and it would increase the insurance by £500 a year, which is obviously ridiculous!

As it looks like some of you have done similar things, do you have any recommendations for insurance options which aren't going to sting him like this, or any way to get around this 'material modification' issue.  I think he is with the farmers union or similar at the moment paying about £200.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 08, 2010, 10:34:02 am
We bought our T5 as a panel van, and then got winows fitted, which didn't change the insurance at all.

Not sure who we are insured with though, can find out for you.

Sounds to me like someone at FU is talking out of their arse. I always understood material modification is a major body modification, not essentially a cosmetic change.
I Would look around.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on July 08, 2010, 10:36:38 am
I use Brentacre Insurance - 01792 650 933 - they are well regarded in the Camper Van scene as being one of the best about for modded vans and the like. The insurance policy that I have with them allows me to add side windows and a whole host of other mods as long as it doesn't affect the BHP of the engine with no increase in the premium - just ring them up and tell them.

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: sidewinder on July 08, 2010, 10:38:44 am
Thanks for the quick responses people, if you could find out the name of your company that would be great Chris, I will give my dad the link to this thread.

Also I shared your opinion about the stance of FU, if anyone has anything that might help my dad prove that putting in a window is not something that should increase the premium that would be great.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on July 08, 2010, 01:00:30 pm
Brentacre here as well. For an insurance company I can't recommend them highly enough.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: sidewinder on July 08, 2010, 01:02:16 pm
Thanks again just to say it is apparently not the FU but someone else?  Anyway thanks for the replies, my dad is going to have a look through his policy documents and see if they contain anything that will support his case, if not it willbe onto your suggestions.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Baron on August 23, 2010, 02:56:35 pm
http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/makemodel/make/toyota/model/hiace/price/min/6999/radius/30miles/stock-item-id/at8a62870f29ad40a20129c744443341bc/advert (http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/makemodel/make/toyota/model/hiace/price/min/6999/radius/30miles/stock-item-id/at8a62870f29ad40a20129c744443341bc/advert)

£6k for old shape 06 with 50k on clock. See a couple around this price. Thoughts? Barn doors at back. Would've preferred tailgate, but at this price...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on August 23, 2010, 02:58:21 pm
why would you go toyota instead of T4/T5, Vito etc?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Johnny Brown on August 23, 2010, 03:06:39 pm
Price? Just check its kosher Joe, Bransby's was cloned. He'll be able to give you some tips on converting it tho.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 23, 2010, 03:10:56 pm
Yeah, sounds like Ben got really badly stung. Not sure why it would be more likely to be cloned than any other vehicle though?

Mate has one, reckons it's bulletproof, but Rear Wheel Drive, so total death to drive near any snow, unless you load up a couple of breeze blocks in the back. Or buy snow tyres.

They seem to be a bit cheaper than VWs and Vitos, but don't hold their value very well, also depends what you plan doing to it, loads of bits are designed aroud VW/ VW and to a lesser extent Vito.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on August 23, 2010, 03:25:24 pm
Rear wheel drive van, that'll be great fun:

Hi Jet Van Drift (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKK86gG8UzE&feature=related#)

I'm not sure the fishtailing portion of the video was on purpose.

Plus two mins of searching revelaed a SWB 1.9Tdi 104 2006 VW t5 with 50k on it for 6 grand. I'd say the toyota isn't such a bargain in comparison. Why take the depreciation hit yourself let some other goon do it? I managed to sell my last camper for pretty much exactly what I paid for it, a year later, 14k miles more and zero maintenance servicing. During its life with me it needed a new CV joint and battery.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Baron on August 23, 2010, 03:36:14 pm
Off to look at this one with tailgate door tomorrow:

http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/makemodel/make/toyota/model/hiace/price/min/6999/radius/30miles/stock-item-id/at8a62863029858ccf012987be20955a11/advert (http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/makemodel/make/toyota/model/hiace/price/min/6999/radius/30miles/stock-item-id/at8a62863029858ccf012987be20955a11/advert)

Price was a factor - cheaper than VW for comparable year/milage. And that The Works Hiace is still going strong, I believe.

Planning to insulate with kingspan, then plyboard and carpet walls (as seen earlier in thread). Putting something more water resistant/wipe clean on floor to deal with wet surf kit.

Might invest in one of these:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Pull-out-rock-n-roll-beds-fit-all-vans-inc-VW-T4-T5-/260455991398?pt=UK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Pull-out-rock-n-roll-beds-fit-all-vans-inc-VW-T4-T5-/260455991398?pt=UK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories)

But get a slightly narrower version so I can stick in simple storage/gas ring down the side. Or make something from ply. Defo want storage underneath tho

Plan to add electric/other bits I might need in the future, but all I'm looking for at the moment is somewhere to doss so I don't have to keep driving back from the east coast on a weekend if the surfs good.

Cheers for the advice.

Paul, could you post the link to the T5 please? That sounds like a right deal.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on August 23, 2010, 03:41:38 pm
sorry I missed a few notes which make it less appealing... The punter button is on the left. I'll try to redeem myself by searching a little harder. I'm absolutely convinced you can do better than the toyota for that budget.

Is there any particular reason why you want that mileage or year? The t4 was 10 years old and had done 130k by the time I'd finished with it. Similarily my Caddy is an '06 and is now pushing 97k.

Be wary of the Cannons forge beds, they have a bit of a mixed reputation.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Baron on August 23, 2010, 03:46:37 pm
No worries. Found this:

http://www.kcvansales.co.uk/vans/8075/volkswagen_transporter_t28_tdi_pd/ (http://www.kcvansales.co.uk/vans/8075/volkswagen_transporter_t28_tdi_pd/)

I just presumed lower mileage/newer year equals better? (dings etc permitting of course)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 23, 2010, 03:53:33 pm
Fatboy Slimfast has an RnR bed he would probably get shot of for a few pounds (in the for sale section somewhere). We butchered ours to make a table an a front panel for the new RiB Bed,  but have the cushions still. May sell for a few pounds, but we're a bit far away to make it worthwhile. Probably end up as (very expensive) padding for bouldering wall.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on August 23, 2010, 03:57:05 pm
I can only speak for T4's but from what I've seen if the engines are serviced at reasonable intervals and get their timing belts changed as and when then they go for ages. A few forum members have been pretty happy with ex AA vans and although they service them more regularly I can't see them having had an easy life.

(There's a place in Rotheram that makes R+R beds, I used them to weld a frame for the back of my caddy, their beds are a bit different in design as they have a higher back support to remove the need for the rear shelf you get leaving more space in the van. These kind of things aren't cheap though and I think we saved a fair bit doing the uholstering of van and bed ourselves).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 23, 2010, 03:59:29 pm
No worries. Found this:

http://www.kcvansales.co.uk/vans/8075/volkswagen_transporter_t28_tdi_pd/ (http://www.kcvansales.co.uk/vans/8075/volkswagen_transporter_t28_tdi_pd/)

I just presumed lower mileage/newer year equals better? (dings etc permitting of course)

You reckon? :)

Be aware with the 1.9l T5s. There is a 104 BHP and an 85 BHP. I've not driven one, but the 85 BHP is apparently a bit sluggish and needs rechipping for a bit more life in the engine, which is fine, but invalidates any existing warranty. Unless they say it's a 104 BHP, it probably isn't. Just something to be aware of. Depends what you are used to driving though, it might be fine.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Baron on August 23, 2010, 04:02:40 pm
Cheers for the knowledge.

How about this cheeky number?:

http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/price/min/6999/radius/30miles/makemodel/make/volkswagen/model/transporter/stock-item-id/at8a65fb2f2a1d9020012a21f61b224914/advert (http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/price/min/6999/radius/30miles/makemodel/make/volkswagen/model/transporter/stock-item-id/at8a65fb2f2a1d9020012a21f61b224914/advert)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on August 23, 2010, 04:16:06 pm
Cheers for the knowledge.
How about this cheeky number?:

Depends whether you want a T4 or not - they are starting to fetch stupid money now and with some judicious searching you can probably turn up a T5 for the same money. Probably not the best time of year to be buying one either as the prices have steadily risen over the last 4-5 months - usual supply\demand thing with summer and people buying one to convert out.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on August 23, 2010, 04:19:30 pm
The 2.5 Tdi is a pleasure to drive and we topped ours right up in Dover and pootled down to Ceuse avoiding all motorways (tight bastards) to arrive in Sigoyer as the fuel light came on.

Crawl all over it and try not to be sold by the alloys alone  ;D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Baron on August 23, 2010, 04:56:48 pm
Will let you know how I get on tomorrow.

By the way, what exactly is a 'cloned' van?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on August 23, 2010, 05:01:12 pm
Quote
In this particular scam, which saw 11,000 vehicles given false identities and sold to unsuspecting consumers, blank log books were stolen from a contractor employed by the DVLA to shred the batches concerned because of a printing error. They are used to make duplicate V5s of existing cars and make stolen cars with theses V5Cs appear genuine. They even show up as genuine in car history checks.

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/legal--motoring-advice/2010-02/how-to-avoid-a-cloned-car-on-a-stolen-v5c (http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/legal--motoring-advice/2010-02/how-to-avoid-a-cloned-car-on-a-stolen-v5c)

i.e. a HPI check isn't enough
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: account_inactive on August 23, 2010, 08:41:03 pm
Joe buy a VW.  Give me a bell if you want a chat
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: abarro81 on August 24, 2010, 12:53:14 am
Sorry if this is covered elsewhere:
What insurance companies do people know that don't have a 90 day limit on trips to Europe? Most of the ones I've looked at seem to have this, which aint very helpful when you want to go away for a long time...
(Plus same question again for european breakdown stuff?)
Cheers
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on August 24, 2010, 01:01:31 am
eVAN seems to be a popular choice but they insure vans not campervans.

Brentacre will negotiate if you ask nicely.

I believe that insurance companies are obliged to cover you to the minimum extent required under the law in other countries, i.e. you're covered 3rd party outside of the 90 days. This could be incorrect.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Skinny Pete on August 24, 2010, 10:49:44 am
Random info from my experience that may or may not be useful...

I've got a T5 (1.9, 104BHP, T30) which I bought as a 2nd hand window van and had pro converted by Jerba - they did an awesome job and were a pleasure to deal with but aren't the cheapest around.

As Chris says, the 85BHP vans are too sluggish - fine as a work van for short distances, but a pain on long trips.  104 is adequate but still needs a run up for overtaking.  The 2.5l ones are fast but rarer and more expensive.

Also worth keeping an eye on the loading weight.  T5's come as T26, T28, T30 and T32 which correspond to laden weights of 2600 - 3200kg.  A full camper conversion and four people is pretty weighty and might be pushing it in a T26.

My van came with (virtually brand new) winter tyres on the front - previous owner in Aberdeen.  Makes a massive difference on soft ground and well worth it IMHO.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: abarro81 on August 24, 2010, 11:14:48 am
eVAN seems to be a popular choice but they insure vans not campervans.

Do you know at what point a van becomes a camper van?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on August 24, 2010, 11:19:07 am
Do you know at what point a van becomes a camper van?

The DVLA has a strict list of stuff for it to be reclassified as a "motor caravan".

My insurance company (Adrian Flux, underwritten by Marker Sure - no good for extended Europe trips though I don't think) wanted Sink, Bed, Cupboards and Table, all in a permanent fixing.  Though the bed could be a RnR bed seat thing obviously, I can't remember what they said about windows or fridge.

Edit - This should have it all in from the DVLA perspective: http://www.caravanwise.co.uk/motor/diycamper.html (http://www.caravanwise.co.uk/motor/diycamper.html)

Also if you turn up any 12month Europe insurers can you post back here as I'll be needing them in a few months?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 24, 2010, 11:21:33 am
converted by Jerba

We just got roof done and RiB bed in from Simon (expanding the van with the family!) and confirm he is great to deal with.

When I went to see him in June to chat about conversion, he had a van in that a guy had shipped over from Australia for him to convert. Said he couldn't find anywhere in Oz who could do the conversion to a standard he wanted, so got it shipped to Edinburgh and back again once converted.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 24, 2010, 11:29:48 am
http://www.caravanwise.co.uk/motor/diycamper.html (http://www.caravanwise.co.uk/motor/diycamper.html)



They weren't even that specific with ours - all we showed them were a few digi photos printed on A4 paper, and they issued the new log. No inspection or anything, didn't even look at the van.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: abarro81 on August 24, 2010, 11:32:31 am
Cheers for that ChrisC; looks like I should be a normal van.

Continuing questions from someone who knows bugger all about all things motorised:
If I were to insure a van with my mum as the no. 1 driver and me as an extra driver, is there any requirement that she actually uses it or anything similar? This comes out cheaper, but she wont actually be using it, or even in the same country as it most of the time.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Skinny Pete on August 24, 2010, 11:58:38 am
abarro81: Unlikely to be anything specific about how much she actually uses it, other than you have stated to them that she is the main driver.  It is therefore reasonable for them to assume she drives it over 50% of the time.  One thing insurance companies are expert at is wriggling out of paying out when you need them!  Be very wary of giving false info - in the event of a major claim they will check everything!

Chris:  Agreed, happy to sing the praises of Jerba to anyone who will listen!!  Lots of little details like swapping the mossie mesh in the elevating roofs for finer stuff to cope with scottish midges.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 24, 2010, 12:58:34 pm

If I were to insure a van with my mum as the no. 1 driver and me as an extra driver, is there any requirement that she actually uses it or anything similar? This comes out cheaper, but she wont actually be using it, or even in the same country as it most of the time.

Also if she has a car already, then she can't transfer her no-claims over to a second vehicle, unless the insurance company allows cloning of no-claims, which very few do. And while it's in her name you won't accumulate any no-claims of your own.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 24, 2010, 01:01:58 pm
Lots of little details like swapping the mossie mesh in the elevating roofs for finer stuff to cope with scottish midges.
Indeed. We also bought some netting from here http://www.midgie.net/ (http://www.midgie.net/)

The "large" is big enough to cut in thirds, and use a piece closed in the front doors so you can leave the window open and not let the bastards in. You can seal it along the bottom with a fridge magnet. Works great in all except high winds, when you won't need it anyway.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Baron on August 24, 2010, 05:51:27 pm
All the vans I looked at had been hammered by builders, so I went to a place selling Ex RAC transits:

T330
140k
Fully wired up with extra interior lights and spots/additional battery with switcher etc
Black smoked glass tailgate
Bright orange (but will respray for £500)
Excellent condition
£4300

Liked the look of the pre-installed electrics - anyone had experience of adapting something like this for camper use?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: account_inactive on August 24, 2010, 05:52:37 pm
Don't buy a transit it will rot
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on August 24, 2010, 06:10:57 pm
and a £500 respray will be gash almighty
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on August 24, 2010, 08:45:51 pm
Don't buy a transit it will rot

Probably not quite as quick as a Vito would but it would be a close run thing.

Agree with Paul B - a £500 respray is going to look like your average scrote has done it with rattle cans from Halfords (if you are lucky).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on August 25, 2010, 12:59:05 pm
Don't buy a transit it will rot
Not the first time i've heard this sort of comment. I've had a 2002 transit for 5 years now and the only rust on it is some minor spotting on one wheel trim and bottom of side door, both due to me damaging the paintwork and then starting a repair job and not getting round to finishing.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: account_inactive on August 25, 2010, 01:22:39 pm
If you look at older vehicles (Transit vs VW) you can notice a big difference
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on August 25, 2010, 01:50:40 pm
Ah but your average VW van owner/driver is also a different beast to your average Transit owner/driver. I suspect the way they are driven and maintained is equally different and this contributes to how shagged they look after a decade of use. It’s another case of nature versus nurture.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: account_inactive on August 25, 2010, 01:52:27 pm
I'm not sure how driving them is going to make a difference to the visible bodywork (unless you crash).  Time will tell ;)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on August 25, 2010, 02:24:46 pm
A lot of the old Transits you see tend to be white subby vans with numerous rusty dints and scratches i.e. multiple minor collisions, probably from poor parking, plus damage from loading unload on building sites.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nathan wind on October 12, 2010, 12:30:27 am
Checked out what looks a really nice ex AA 2.5 tdi T4 last week, re-mapped and seemingly really well looked after.. However whilst looking underneath I noticed some oil collected at the base of the engine, the owner reckons it could've been from when he changed the oil filter recently, could be I guess as I had a similar problem once when a mechanic bodged the filter change in my car years ago.. Anyone got any advice for checking this out further as the van is pretty much mint other than this.. I 'm no mechanic so I guess the only thing I can do is to get it to a garage somewhere for a second opinion before I part with any cash?

Ironically after noticing the oil I paid for an AA vehicle inspection, they guy that did the check mentioned the oil, but didn't offer any explanation as to where it might be coming from..  :wall:

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 12, 2010, 09:49:22 am
Doesn't ring any alarm bells with me but I am no expert where T4's are concerned - try a search on the vwt4forum (http://vwt4forum.co.uk/) or the brickyard (http://www.brick-yard.co.uk) and if that still doesn't throw up anything then a post might be in order.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 12, 2010, 10:42:08 am
What colour was the engine oil? I only ask as if he's just changed the filter it'll likely still be nice and golden. If it was as black as night I'd start gettting wary of his story. How about the driveway or where it was parked? Stained or clean?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nathan wind on October 12, 2010, 11:39:43 am
Cheers guys..

The oil was black, so defo looked like it'd been through the engine and was collecting in what I guess was the sump tray - according to the guy who's selling he replaced the filter about a month ago - I've read on forums that the filter can be a hard to change so if its not flush I'm assuming oil could be making its way out from the near the seal - the guy did mention it was hard to change too.. No oil on the driveway or near the house from what I could tell.. Bar what looked like spillage from round the filler cap the engine looked very clean and well looked after too, no smoke when it started and drove really well.. no engine slap when changing gear etc..

If it was to be anything major any ideas what it could be?

I guess I need to go back down to where the van is, (70 miles from here - which kinda sucks) clean the oil away from the sump and drive it for five minutes or so and then see if any oil appears afterwards.. if it does see if he'll allow me to get it checked out somewhere.. be a shame if there was something majorly wrong as the van is really cool and in pretty much excellent condition elsewhere, plus I've managed to get a few hundred quid off, (should I go ahead with buying it..) to be fair the guy selling said he'd fix anything that came up as a result of the check too..

here's a link to the van..

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2134956.htm (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2134956.htm)

Paul - just noticed your old AA van in the forums a few days back! wish I'd known you were selling that - looked awesome!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 12, 2010, 11:44:06 am
Yeah it was and TBH I sold it far too cheap.

from what I remember of mine you can see very little under there due to the sump guard (which is fairly quick to remove). Is this where its collecting?

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nathan wind on October 12, 2010, 11:53:44 am



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Yeah it was and TBH I sold it far too cheap.

from what I remember of mine you can see very little under there due to the sump guard (which is fairly quick to remove). Is this where its collecting?



Defo, from what I saw it looked like a bargain, pop up too if I remember rightly? Very cool!

From what I could tell it would have been the sump guard it was collecting in, not a massive amount there, but still a bit of liquid present, from what I remember it didn't look like it'd been cleaned recently so I guess it could have been all that had collected since the last oil / filter change..

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 12, 2010, 12:01:53 pm
personally I'd get this off and have a look. Its just a few bolts and you should be able to do it with some squirming.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 12, 2010, 12:02:51 pm
From what I could tell it would have been the sump guard it was collecting in, not a massive amount there, but still a bit of liquid present, from what I remember it didn't look like it'd been cleaned recently so I guess it could have been all that had collected since the last oil / filter change..

That would be my best guess at what the problem is - if the filter is hard to remove then any oil in the filter is likely to have spilled when it was removed and from experience of other cars it is almost impossible to clean it all off afterwards. Can't see it being a loose filter - they should only be done up hand tight (ie no tools used) when replaced and if it was the problem then there would be oil everywhere. I would go with your suggestion of giving the sump guard a good clean and then a decent road test just to make sure - more than 5 minutes if you can as that will allow the oil to get up to temperature.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nathan wind on October 12, 2010, 12:15:40 pm
Cheers guys..

I'll head back down there later in the week, take the sump guard off, clean it up, then take it for another drive, see what gives..

If it was to be anything major any ideas what it could be /what I should be looking for? its done 110, 000 miles so I guess some seepage is tolerable / inevitable, but drips anywhere are a major no go..
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 12, 2010, 12:28:05 pm
If it was to be anything major any ideas what it could be /what I should be looking for? its done 110, 000 miles so I guess some seepage is tolerable / inevitable, but drips anywhere are a major no go..

No idea what it would be if the problem persists - off the top of my head I would be looking at replacing the filter just in case it hasn't sealed correctly, rocker cover gasket possibly and maybe a blocked breather pipe as a first ports of call but after that no idea. As already mentioned I am no expert on the T4 but if there are no signs of obvious oil leakage (and you would like to think the AA man would have spotted such a thing) then it is probably spillage from the filter being replaced but don't take my word for that.  ;)

As for 110k on the clock - it's only just run in at that mileage and the engine in the T4 is pretty bullet proof by all accounts - my T5 is close to 160k now (with no oil leaks anywhere) and I expect to get the same again with decent maintenance.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nathan wind on October 12, 2010, 12:55:03 pm
Cheers man..

Yeah, when I spoke to the AA guy he was pretty blase about the oil and hadn't tried to see if it had come from the filter, even saying he was "unsure where the filters are on a T4" which is pissing me off a bit as I asked them to look at this specifically, checking for oil leaks is almost irrelevant if they aren't going to follow it through.. That said the rest of the van was pretty much clean according to him so hopefully this bodes well.. I'm on pretty good terms with my local garage so when the written report turns up I'll ask them for their opinions too then come up with a plan from there.. At the end of the day, its a really cool van, but if I can't sort it I can leave it as there'll be others.. It'll just mean I might have to go back to Swissy in a Clio.. :o
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nathan wind on October 27, 2010, 12:13:34 pm
Thanks for the input once again guys, got the van in the end, and all's good - seems like the oil problem was residue from a filter change - have been to the Lakes twice over the last week already and no probs with it at all - very psyched! though also pretty much clueless about how to start the actual process of converting it..

From a trip to the Bowderstone this monday..

(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s102/nathan_wind/IMG_8895.jpg)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 27, 2010, 01:42:51 pm
though also pretty much clueless about how to start the actual process of converting it..

Check out the T4 forum for basic stuff or feel free to contact me regarding conversion stuff - I am in the long and drawn out process of converting my van and can offer plenty of pointers as to what to do and more importantly in what order.

Paul B is also in the process (or may have already done) a conversion on a Caddy so will probably be able to offer some sage words.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 27, 2010, 02:08:21 pm
Is Project Mayhem (apologies if caps are wrong) still nto complete. Noah was quicker than that!

T4 looks ace. Conversion depends totally on what you want to do with it. Varies from doing nothing to doing everything.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 27, 2010, 02:40:36 pm
Most of the good info is back in this thread I believe. I'm not sure I ever got around to posting finished pictures but here they are:

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/bennp2000/van-2431.jpg)

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/bennp2000/van-2440.jpg)

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/bennp2000/van-2447.jpg)

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/bennp2000/van-2438.jpg)

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/bennp2000/van-2441.jpg)

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/bennp2000/van-2434.jpg)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 27, 2010, 03:04:23 pm
Looks ace Paul. Is the WUSS numberplate deliberate?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 27, 2010, 03:19:20 pm
Looks ace Paul. Is the WUSS numberplate deliberate?

No but very appropriate.  :thumbsup: (sadly, its actually for sale, my better half has decided that 'actually' she doesn't want to commute using the train [amongst other things]).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 27, 2010, 03:24:23 pm
Is Project Mayhem (apologies if caps are wrong) still nto complete. Noah was quicker than that!

Noah had a rather pressing deadline to meet which is something that I have not had to worry about till now go but the long and short of it is that pROJECT mAYHEM is not yet finished though it will (hopefully) get finished over the winter finances permitting.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: cheque on October 27, 2010, 03:57:03 pm
I'm not sure I ever got around to posting finished pictures but here they are:

Looks amazing! I like the idea of a smaller van for this kind of thing.

How tall are you? Is it comfortable to sleep in the back?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 27, 2010, 04:36:16 pm
5ft 6"

Natalie (she's shorter) and I stayed in it for roughly 3 weeks this Aug in Pembroke without any real issue. With two of you the bed is a bit short. With one of you, if you go diagnol there's tonne's of room. THe rear of the caddy curves a bit, if I did it again I'd make more of an effort to get that extra bit of space back as I think it'd make all of the difference.

I think Dan (NCB) is going to go down the route of rear seats that fold and a platform of the same height to make a bed but making it more practical.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: north_country_boy on October 27, 2010, 04:45:56 pm
I think Dan (NCB) is going to go down the route of rear seats that fold and a platform of the same height to make a bed but making it more practical.

As Paul says, I am currently converting a Caddy very similar to Paul's, and will most likely be adding a Caddy Maxi rear (2seats) and bed platform to the rear which will mean I still have the practicality of a car and weekend sleeping versatility of a van. I'll post some pics up when its finished....

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nathan wind on October 27, 2010, 07:02:17 pm
Cheers for the offer of the advice Butters - I'm sure I'm gonna need it! Cheers for the heads up too Chris!

For the record I just insured it with Brentacre based on what I read on here - seemingly really cool firm, told them it was to convert, that it was 130bhp, had alloys etc - they were fine with it all and gave me a super good quote that incorporates 90 days euro travel too - pscyhed!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: cheque on October 27, 2010, 07:24:41 pm
5ft 6"

Natalie (she's shorter) and I stayed in it for roughly 3 weeks this Aug in Pembroke without any real issue. With two of you the bed is a bit short. With one of you, if you go diagnol there's tonne's of room. THe rear of the caddy curves a bit, if I did it again I'd make more of an effort to get that extra bit of space back as I think it'd make all of the difference.

Cheers mate. Think I'd need to check out a few different types of van as I'm a bit taller. Totally sold on the smaller van idea after seeing these pictures though!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 27, 2010, 07:34:44 pm
Cheers for the offer of the advice Butters.

Not a problem - I have been learning the hard way how to do these things (and more importantly in what order) which is fun in a very masochistic sort of way...  :-\

No idea where you are but I am based in Sheff if you want to talk things over in person - unlike the LagerStarFish enterprise I am reasonably cheap at about a pint an hour rising to two pints an hour should I be required to pick up spanners etc.  ;)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 27, 2010, 09:54:44 pm
Cheers mate. Think I'd need to check out a few different types of van as I'm a bit taller. Totally sold on the smaller van idea after seeing these pictures though!

Remember they come as a compromise. If there was no commuting involved then I'd still own my t4 (or a t5). I wouldn't want to be in there for long whilst it was raining. Secondly, I'd avoid making it look at all flash as car crime in Font seems to be going through the roof and I don't fancy it getting smashed into.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 27, 2010, 10:37:33 pm
...edit has expired.

Someone in Sheffield has a Caddy Maxi with a lifting roof. I can't for the life of me fathom why you'd go down that route rather than a T4/5, the wheelbase has to be similar, the engine etc. It seems like you make a few of the compromises for none of the gain.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: tomtom on October 27, 2010, 11:05:04 pm
Cheers mate. Think I'd need to check out a few different types of van as I'm a bit taller. Totally sold on the smaller van idea after seeing these pictures though!

Remember they come as a compromise. If there was no commuting involved then I'd still own my t4 (or a t5). I wouldn't want to be in there for long whilst it was raining. Secondly, I'd avoid making it look at all flash as car crime in Font seems to be going through the roof and I don't fancy it getting smashed into.

Paul, is that sleeping head at back or front? Shirley those front seats would tilt forward and you can just sleep (head towards back) with those toes hanging into the ether? (like I do on most beds anyway!)... sorry if wide of the mark..
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 27, 2010, 11:13:38 pm
yeah absolutely. If it wasn't practical I certainly wouldn't have used it so much in Pembroke.
I think if you can be arsed you can get golf/scirocco 3dr seats that fold totally flat (the latter look particularly swish, the blade like rims are nice as well). They use the same runners so there's only a few bolts to change once you've sourced them.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 28, 2010, 09:35:12 am
and you can just sleep (head towards back) with those toes hanging into the ether? (like I do on most beds anyway!)

Or you could just mount an extension piece on some sliding runners.

We have changed our RnR bed out for a crash tested RIB, and butchered the RnR bed to make a table and a cover to go over the front, so If anyone wants the sliding runners out of it just holler.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 28, 2010, 10:04:34 am
Do you mean the frame itself? Could well be interested.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 28, 2010, 10:44:17 am
Well there's not much left. It was a wood frame one, and we took the front bit off, as well as one of the main panels for a table, so not much left. It does have a couple of sliding rollers mounted in it which I thought would be useful for an extension on a bed. The rest is in bits in our garage in Aberdeen, you are welcome to any of it.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 28, 2010, 10:54:10 am
Ah I see - thinking about it some more even if it was the entire frame you were only running a 3/4 size R&R bed anyway so not suitable for what I want to do. Cheers anyway.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 28, 2010, 11:13:51 am
Yeah, only 3/4. Plus side is a RIB is actually longer than an RnR, so my feet don't hang over the end anymore!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nathan wind on October 28, 2010, 04:01:29 pm


Not a problem - I have been learning the hard way how to do these things (and more importantly in what order) which is fun in a very masochistic sort of way...  :-\

No idea where you are but I am based in Sheff if you want to talk things over in person - unlike the LagerStarFish enterprise I am reasonably cheap at about a pint an hour rising to two pints an hour should I be required to pick up spanners etc.  ;)

ha! cheers again, I'm in Hudds though would be more than willing to buy you a beer for any knowledge shared, maybe post crag?  :)

at the mo I'm thinking about sorting insulation / boarding it out (maybe carpeting it all out) as my first job - I know this has prolly been covered elsewhere in this thread but is the carpet a good bad / idea? I want to make the interior warm, quiet and try and reduce condensation as much as poss.. I'd like to put a decent diesel heater in at some point, but will prolly go for a cheaper temporary solution.. but guess that could be added later?

any advice on safes aswell? I'm gonna put a swivel base on the passenger captains chair (and know you can buy these with a safe built in..) any knowledge on if they're any good? Ideally I'd like something pretty sturdy so I could store my laptop in it if I have too..
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 28, 2010, 04:11:46 pm
is the carpet a good bad / idea? I want to make the interior warm, quiet and try and reduce condensation as much as poss..

Yes. Buy a set of the JustKampers window foils as well. These make a notable difference.

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I'd like to put a decent diesel heater in at some point, but will prolly go for a cheaper temporary solution.. but guess that could be added later?

I'd personally go propex, I've heard the diesel heaters dry out the air and  can make it a bit unpleasant. The propex in my previous van was awesome.

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any advice on safes aswell? I'm gonna put a swivel base on the passenger captains chair (and know you can buy these with a safe built in..) any knowledge on if they're any good? Ideally I'd like something pretty sturdy so I could store my laptop in it if I have too..

They seem to be the common choice so I'd assume they're fine.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 28, 2010, 04:35:25 pm
Carpet is always a good idea - cuts down the noise levels and provides extra insulation. I insulated, then carpeted over the top of the bare metal work and then put carpeted boards over the top of that. Condensation isn't too much of an issue as long as you don't cook in the van as far as I can tell from my limited research - anything that is produced as a result of sleeping in the van should evaporate with the use of heaters etc.

Think I am Huddersfield in a couple of weekends time and should be out and about somewhere so could meet up then?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: north_country_boy on October 28, 2010, 05:19:55 pm
Carpet is always a good idea - cuts down the noise levels and provides extra insulation. I insulated, then carpeted over the top of the bare metal work and then put carpeted boards over the top of that. Condensation isn't too much of an issue as long as you don't cook in the van as far as I can tell from my limited research - anything that is produced as a result of sleeping in the van should evaporate with the use of heaters etc.

I'd definately agree with the above! Done exactly that with my Caddy and it now sounds like a car when driving rather than having a huge tin can behind you! With regard to condensation, I have put a layer of plastic sheeting between the inside panels and the insulation material (in my case recycled plastic insulation from B&Q, cheap and easy to work with, with no mess-highly recommend) and then carpetted just about everything in the rear, and putting headlining material on the roof. I don't envisage condensation being an issue, as only sleeping in it, probably wont cook in it ever.

Like I have said earlier, i'll post pics when its done. Waiting for stuff in the post, which is a pain atm.....
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 28, 2010, 05:32:57 pm
I've never really had any problems with condensation full stop (in the caddy or cooking in a t4).

Given the front of any vehicle has a tonne of glazing, this is where anything condenses anyway and isn't really an issue, if you get some you turn the engine on for a few mins. Voila. Obviously it goes without  saying that opening the window a crack when cooking helps removes the problem.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nathan wind on October 28, 2010, 06:00:24 pm
Cheers for the info guys..

Like the sound of the Propex heater.. what kind of cost are they? Would be awesome to have something to warm the air up properly, especially as I'm asthmatic.. also there's nothing worse than waking up in a car / van and not being able to get warm.. car camping in Joes Valley late last november taught me this..

Speaking of insulation someone recommended lambswool from B&Q as an alternative to loft insulation type stuff, (ie the stuff that would prolly have me on a respirator within 24hrs..) anyone an experience of this..? Was defo thinking of using a plastic barrier imbetween the panel and boarded carpet though someone talked me out of this as they reckoned it would trap moisture..


Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 28, 2010, 06:24:13 pm
I removed some of this lambswool type from a van and it felt very damp. I certainly wouldnt want it in there. Celltech seems to be popular.

I'd hunt on ebay for propex heaters, they're not cheap mind you and the thermostat (although you can buy an alternative I believe?) is a LOT.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Richie Crouch on October 28, 2010, 07:07:05 pm
I was thinking of just borrowing a couple of these if you want to save a few weeks work Steve?

(http://rab.uk.com/images/resize/en/products/Expedition-Suit_pr.gif)

 ;)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 28, 2010, 07:54:22 pm

any advice on safes aswell? I'm gonna put a swivel base on the passenger captains chair (and know you can buy these with a safe built in..) any knowledge on if they're any good? Ideally I'd like something pretty sturdy so I could store my laptop in it if I have too..

Yeah, we got one of those. Pretty sturdy, but obvious where it is. Could put a cover over it to hide it. I can measure it up for to see if it would take your laptop?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nathan wind on October 29, 2010, 12:03:41 am
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Yeah, we got one of those. Pretty sturdy, but obvious where it is. Could put a cover over it to hide it. I can measure it up for to see if it would take your laptop?

Cheers Chris, that's be stellar..

There's a black box underneath the drivers seat in mine at the mo which I guess looks identical to the one under the passenger seat? some old AA stuff I guess..

Laptop is 36.5 x 25 x 2.5cm.. there's a chance I might leave it at home unless I've got work on the go that merits me taking it.. might just try and find an old secondhand smaller one that would defo fit.. be really good to know the dimensions though..
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nathan wind on October 29, 2010, 12:09:25 am
I was thinking of just borrowing a couple of these if you want to save a few weeks work Steve?

(http://rab.uk.com/images/resize/en/products/Expedition-Suit_pr.gif)

 ;)

nice work Rich, they'll do for plan B.. or just for nights out in Bellinzona..

if you could 'borrow' one of these via one of your contacts at The Grapes, that'd be stellar..

(http://s150.photobucket.com/albums/s102/nathan_wind/heater.jpg) 

and if you manage that, then a couple of these could be handy...

(http://s150.photobucket.com/albums/s102/nathan_wind/shirt.gif)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on October 29, 2010, 08:58:46 am
There's a black box underneath the drivers seat in mine at the mo which I guess looks identical to the one under the passenger seat? some old AA stuff I guess..

The box in your van may ne different but VW put slide out boxes under the seats of Polos for people to keep valubles in. Unfortunately, career thieves knew they were there too. A friend had her Polo broken into. When she reported it to the police, it turned out the thieves had just gone down each road only breaking into VWs. Apparently that vintage of Polo and Golf were very easy to break into.

The safe hidden in the seat seems a better bet.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 29, 2010, 09:47:38 am
be really good to know the dimensions though..

Will have a look over weekend.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on October 29, 2010, 10:31:05 am
I've just finished converting a T5 so thought I'd add some things that may be of use.

Swivel seats base with a safe, I got one of these from CMC: http://www.c-m-c.org.uk/images/accessories/swivel1.jpg (http://www.c-m-c.org.uk/images/accessories/swivel1.jpg)  It seemed about the cheapest around, being the same price as just a swivel plate alone, plus you got a base (over 100quid on their own) and a safe too.  We then added a drivers seat with the seat belt clip swapped over - these were a fair whack cheaper than the drivers ones on eBay.  I nearly managed a swap for my double, but then found out it was a T4 singe not a T5 so you can get luck if your prepared to wait...

I didn't bother with a moisture barrier between the insulation and the ply.  My logic for this was that your never going to 100% seal it anyway and if you look on a T5 in the cavity near the rear lights then there are some vents that let air out the back.  I reasoned that air flow was more important and would remove moisture.

As said, stay away from lambs wool as it holds damp.  The recycled plastic stuff is ace, and you can put some foil backed bubble wrap on the ply/van walls, ceiling boards and floor too.  Carrymat on the roof worked well also.  Celotex/Kingspan is the other obvious choice.

I got all carpet stuff from here: http://www.megavanmats.com/ (http://www.megavanmats.com/)

Before fixing the walls/ply do all the wiring you can think of - if you run them all though conduit and leave string in them too then you can always pull though an extra cable if needed later on.  Fuse each cable as soon as poss after the battery and fuse each curcit too.  If there is a battery / power source at either end then put a fuse at each end.  Make sure your cable is chunky enough to avoid voltage drop - since P=I^2R then the power loss in the wires is proportional to the resistance, fatter cable means lower resistance.  This isn't a great concern for things like LED lights, but for fridges / Inverters then it def is.  If faced with a choice of a long cable run of either 240v/12v for something like a charger / inverter then do the long run in 3 core 240v for the same reasons.

Raw Components was a good source of things electrical - the guy is helpful if you call him too: http://www.rawcomponents.co.uk/ (http://www.rawcomponents.co.uk/)

I used some Dioder lights from IKEA in the ceiling, they are pretty good being very low profile.  They are fairly bright so I added a dimmer switch too.  I also fitted a 12v regulator prior to the dimmer since when charging the leisure battery will be at 14.6v (ish) and would probably damage these.  http://www.reuk.co.uk/buy-12-VOLT-REGULATOR.htm (http://www.reuk.co.uk/buy-12-VOLT-REGULATOR.htm)

I've just finished fitting a Propex.  It's a pretty straight forward task needing 2 holes in the van floor for the exhaust inlet/outlet pipes.  In the area I wanted to put it then I couldn't find sufficient space so I have raised the heater and dropped the tubes out that way.  It also means you don't have to be anywhere near as precise with the hole drilling.  The raiing was done using 8 corner braces, 2 joined together with a bolt to make a C shaped bracket, one end in the floor the other in the normal fixing point of the heater.

When doing your gas work remember to fit a couple of sensibly placed drop out vents: http://www.rainbowconversions.co.uk/Equipment/Gas/gas.htm (http://www.rainbowconversions.co.uk/Equipment/Gas/gas.htm) Since butane/propane is heavier than air it will just fall through these instead of....

I've just reclassified it as a motor caravan too - if you meet the criteria its worth doing as it means you can drive at car speeds instead of the 50/60 on single/dual carriageway A roads.  Some modern cameras apparently do a number plate lookup to check too.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on October 29, 2010, 10:38:22 am
I know the insurance question has come up a few times, but has anyone come across a company that will insure a Camper for 12 months in Europe.

I'm currently with Adrian Flux but I don't think they do 365 days, only 90days at a time and then you have to return and go abroad again - whioch will be a pain if we're in spain say...

eVan.com do 12 months European cover, but won't cover my camper only the 'van' part of it so not alot of use.

Bonjoy/PaulB - you've done a long Europe trip in a van?  How did you guys do it?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 29, 2010, 12:29:51 pm
Second the recommendation for the carpet from Megavanmats - it is what I used on my van and it is quality stuff which will produce a very good result and as long as you take your time with it.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 29, 2010, 02:18:14 pm
Bonjoy/PaulB - you've done a long Europe trip in a van?  How did you guys do it?

Brentacre, then negotiate an additional cost per month for European cover. It wasn't cheap but I am an insurance liability.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nathan wind on October 29, 2010, 02:26:42 pm
Cheers again guys loads of good info there.. my head is starting to spin!

Turns out black box under the drivers seat is actually silver - I have no idea what that is.. but its fastened in tight, no trays or anything but looks electrical.. One thing the van does have is the original AA control console to the RH side of the steering wheel, which looks mega as it lights up nicely and for this reason alone stays in! Seems to have a purpose other than looking fly too.. the guy I got the van off has fitted strip lights in the back that can be switched on / off from here.. whether I can live with flourescent lights night after night is another matter - though I can change that easily enough I guess.. As for the safe I'm kinda thinking of having a custom one put in - big enough to put my laptop / camera etc in but hidden in a cabinet or something, from experience anything that might attract the attention of an opportunist theft is a bad thing..

Chris, I just got insured via Brentacre the other day - really cool, the guy I spoke to (Gary) was super knowledgeable about vans, conversions etc, plus I told them my T4 was remapped to 130bhp, would have alloys on it some of the year, suspension had been lowered etc and they seemed fine with it all.. they hooked me up with cover from Markerstudy who give 90 days Euro cover, though whether or not this can be extended I don't know..

Bentacre's number is 01792 650933..

Where did you get the heater from btw? Looked at the Propex site yesterday and their heaters really do seem the business - but seem super expensive too!

Thanks for the electrics tips too -  I really need to get my head round what I'm gonna need electrically and where it'll go as some of it (decent stereo, fridge etc) is gonna have to be added a later date..
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nathan wind on October 29, 2010, 02:42:59 pm
So following on from all the kind knowledge imparted so far - anyone have any views on the following?

Beds.. Rock n roll vs custom built? I kind of like the idea of custom building something to be able to maximise storage (especially mats) etc, though was thinking an R n R bed could give more space, comfort and maybe add to the re-sale value? Though I guess custom built would be a whole lot cheaper? I guess ultimately I want whatever is gonna give my ageing / f**ked body the best chance of a decent nights kip..

Fridges.. Anyone any beta on gas vs electric? A fridge is something I'd add like to add later, but need to get a handle on before I insulate / panel out the van out.. I guess gas saves a lot of hassle?

Electrics.. I guess if vans have mains hook up then you can use standard plugs for this? I doubt whether I'd ever go down this route, so do most people run external appliances of the cig lighter style sockets? there are two in the van at the mo - one in the dash, one by the side door..

anyways.. now my head is starting to hurt, rather than spin, I need to stop with questions.. thanks once again in advance if anyone can help..

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 29, 2010, 03:06:52 pm
One of the best things we got fitted in ours electric wise was some LED lights on bendable stalks, two above the cooker and two for reading. Dunno the make though.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 29, 2010, 03:11:32 pm
Really you ought to hop on over to the t4 forum and fill your head with as much knowledge as possible and have a snoop around what others have done (plus there's no subscription fee anymore).

Theres plenty of nifty tips, including 240v hookup fitted easily into the rear reflector. R+R beds. 3 way fridges (pretty much standard). I think you might find some of these answer your non-climbing-van specific questions better than on here.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on October 29, 2010, 03:22:28 pm
Cheers for the Brentacre tips guys - my current underwriter is marker study so I may just hassle Adrian Flux and see what the crack is.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on October 29, 2010, 03:52:56 pm
I got the propex from Rainbow Conversions, did a bit of a price scan and they seemed about the cheapest I could find, about 420 I think, like you say not the cheapest but should make for a comfortable life.

I got my RnR bed from Dave at Cannons Forge http://www.cannonsforge.com/ (http://www.cannonsforge.com/)  Can't fault it really - its a top bit of kit, he's super helpful if you want to just pop over and have a look - near Worksop.

Gas fridges are good if your away 'wild camping' for extended periods but require more external venting.  If I were doing it again I think I'd go down that route however I've just got a Vitrifrigo compressor one  (http://www.vfamerica.com/eng/catalog.asp?id=1950&n=ocean)and 2*110Ah batteries.  To keep them topped up with minimal alternator time then I've got a Sterling B2B charger  (http://www.sterling-power.com/products-battbatt-info.htm)which puts loads of juice back into the batteries with minimal driving.  I'm considering a solar panel on the roof to supplement this, but since its a T5 then there isn't a load of space and I think we'll need a roof box up there too for all my girlfriends shit stuff we'll inevitably have with us.

As I said earlier with your electrics then just make sure you use thick enough cable for the purpose - eg the Fridge low power & current but needs a highly rated cable to prevent voltage drop over the cable and premature turning off.  (It turns off as some predetermined voltage to prevent totally knackering your batteries).  Also better to have a couple of unused cables coming out of the wall in cupboards than be wising there was a cable somewhere there wasn't!

240V - You can add a hookup easily and/or an inverter.  I've done both but don't really envisage using the hookup much/ever but since it was no extra effort to do and would be much more later on then while I was at it I added it also.  Basic theory is hookup --> consumer unit (with RCD) (http://www.screwfix.com/prods/33248/Electrical-Supplies/Consumer-Units/MK-Consumer-Units/MK-Sentry-4-Way-RCD-Garage-Consumer-Unit) --> 2 o/p's.  Once of sockets (16A) one for Batter charger if you bother (6A).

Like Paul said there's shit loads of info out there, the 3 main places I've used are:

vwt4forum  (http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/)- good for VW t4/5 info, a bit of a bias towards the stylish trendy van as opposed to practical campers but still loads of good info there too.

brick-yard  (http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/)- as above but more camper orientated

SBMCC  (http://sbmcc.co.uk/)- the real hardcore of the self builders seem to live here - they know most things about making camper vans and well worth the ten quid subscription.

Generally marine/yaching forums are good too - there is an awful lot of crossover and you seem to get less cowboy's.  There is loads to think about - but none of it is that bad once you get going, just make sure to do things in a logical order, and always put the Stanley blade away when your carpeting and you can't go to far wrong.

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 29, 2010, 04:24:22 pm
I've heard bad things about Canon Forge, I'd go to JDS metaltech personally. Space saving design as well...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on October 29, 2010, 04:29:05 pm
I've heard bad things about Canon Forge, I'd go to JDS metaltech personally. Space saving design as well...

Really, like what? - I've heard nothing but good things and on the t4forum there is a  very long thread with good comments from satisfied customers.  I know a few people with them too - they rate them :shrug: 

The only -ve thing I pick up on is that they're not crash tested - but then he doesn't claim they are
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 29, 2010, 04:39:43 pm
Really, like what?

Like supplying them to a van outfitter the wrong size and joins being less than square.

I think most of the crash tested ones just massively inflate the price
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on October 29, 2010, 05:18:28 pm
Like supplying them to a van outfitter the wrong size and joins being less than square.

I think most of the crash tested ones just massively inflate the price

Fair do's I'd say that these are more likely one off's than an indication of normal quality else there would be much more negativity out there.

Totally agree about the cost of the crash tested ones :o  Though I guess you may feel differently if you were doing distances with your kids in the back...

Dave at cannons forge was explaining why he'd not bothered despite initally saying he would; he'd have to supply donor vehicles for each crash test.  I can't remember the figure but obviously a minimum of 1 T4, T5 and a Vito + any others.  Then there would be any refinements to the design and retests plus new vehicles for them etc.  The cost of each test alone was pretty hefty too - even without crashing anything!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on October 29, 2010, 05:33:50 pm
all well and good for the rear seats but I was very aware that a kitchen worktop was effectively set at neck level behind the drivers seat.
Vans and safety just don't go hand in hand. I'm certainly happy that my biggest smash yet was in a punto with a zillion airbags rather than a van with one, or even none.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on October 29, 2010, 05:42:58 pm
 :lol:

True enough...  That's what made me laugh about the DVLA classifications & speed limits - you can remove a bulkhead, poorly fix down a large volume of wood and steel in the rear, add in some explosive gas cylinders and dodgy electrical work and suddenly your legal to drive 10mph faster.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 30, 2010, 03:00:04 pm
Though I guess you may feel differently if you were doing distances with your kids in the back...


Why we went for one after much swithering. Crash testing and all that Paul has mentioned ups the price somewhat. Wish we had got one in the first place, buy cheap buy twice! Worth considering as an option of kids are part of your short to medium term plans.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on January 06, 2011, 03:21:47 pm
Chris, I just got insured via Brentacre the other day - really cool, the guy I spoke to (Gary) was super knowledgeable about vans, conversions etc, plus I told them my T4 was remapped to 130bhp, would have alloys on it some of the year, suspension had been lowered etc and they seemed fine with it all.. they hooked me up with cover from Markerstudy who give 90 days Euro cover, though whether or not this can be extended I don't know..

Bentacre's number is 01792 650933..

Dragging this up again...

Just spoke to these people, like you say super nice and knowledgeable, but said the best he could find, with some ear bending to make it possible too apparently, was £1389.95 for the year in Europe.  :o

Its 350quid for the UK annually at the moment.  (8 years ncb, 0 points etc).  It's not like we're driving through war torn failing states, Italy's about as lawless as its going to get.

So far I've tried:

Bentacre - £1.4K as above
Adrain Flux - Won't do it for > 90 days
eVan - will inure the van, but not the camper part of it.

Currently waiting on a quote from these people: http://www.insurancechoice.co.uk/product/private-motor/motorhome-and-campervan-insurance (http://www.insurancechoice.co.uk/product/private-motor/motorhome-and-campervan-insurance)

Someone suggested to drive the length of Europe and back every 90days to ensure we have some ferry documentation that shows when we started each 3 month trip to keep within the bounds of companies like Adrain Flux.  This sounds very, very tedious.

Anyone got any other bright ideas - or is this what its costs other people that have done the same?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: tomtom on January 06, 2011, 03:34:36 pm
Would Gibraltar count as UK nowadays?  ;) would allow a spanish jaunt...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on January 06, 2011, 03:46:16 pm
I can't remember how much it cost us Chris but our premiums were fairly ridiculous at this point anyway due to other circumstances.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on January 06, 2011, 04:49:59 pm
I like the Gibraltar idea, not sure it'll be acceptable though  :lol:

InsuranceChoice.co.uk will cover us for £1K with only £200 excess underwritten by Aviva.  Plus only £60 for EU brakedown cover also which isn't too bad.

I'll keep digging and if I find anything better I'll post it here in case its any use to anyone in the future.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: chummer on January 07, 2011, 01:30:53 pm
Bit of a multi question post I'm afraid..

I'm looking to get a T5 Transporter through my business (self employed, not VAT registered) and I was looking for some advice, knowledge and other folks experiences, and my question is two fold:

1. I believe some of the T5's have had a few problems, can anyone advise me if there is any pattern with this, eg, pre '09... and what problems or indicators I should be looking for? Also, and I'm sorry if this has been asked before but what model would folk advice and which engine? it'll be everyday use, short and longer trips away, and I want it to have a little poke to it.

2. My accountant advised H.P as opposed to bank loan but then there's also the ownership lease option too. I am completely ignorant to any of these, having never needed a loan or any major finance (at 36 i have still never even had a credit card). Obviously I want to go with the one with the lowest interest rate but any advice would be welcomed. (I can't afford a big hefty deposit either).
I am looking to pay over 3 or 5 years for a low milage 2nd hand van which I wish to convert for trips away. I would like to have the van long term hence going with lower milage so ideally I keep it until repairs become uneconomical or a newer van more economical if you catch my drift. Does this affect the lease aspect?

3. sorry, just one more! If anyone knows of any good garages/dealers that have good stock, good value or good finance deals then i would be grateful to hear about them.

Also, any types or deals on finance you would avoid?

Sorry again for the multiple questions but any advice will be greatly received.
Before you ask I don't want a Vauxaul or Merc Vito, I have considered the Renault but having had a t4 and loving the drive and size and them holding their value I'm after the T5 despite the fact they're like shades on the head and wearing a black feece gillet around here, every outdoorsy foockers got one!

Thank you all in advance
Jon
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on January 07, 2011, 01:53:39 pm
Yeek. too many questions.

First, what do you want to use it for? Will it be purely personaly, or will it need to carry loads too?

We looked long and hard for a low mileage second hand one with a glassed tailgate and 2 seats up front instead of the bench, but they retain value so well we ended up buying new, as it made sense with warranties etc.

We have a T28 T5 Transporter with the 1.9 diesel Engine, which is farily economical, but will still do 80ish on motorways without too much work. From reading VW forums you can expect water pump to go on these at some point around the 80-100k miles mark. Otherwise there are no problems I know of, not to say there aren't any.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on January 07, 2011, 03:16:21 pm
you might as well get the water pump changed when you do the timing belt anyway for the extra cost. If its the same generic VAG engine (which I'm assuming it is?) then you can get a slightly uprated one at the first change that'll last you longer.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: chummer on January 07, 2011, 03:17:40 pm
How do you find it on hills? Having had a van with little umph it would be nice to go up hills without slowing down to and to be able to overtake without a 500yd run up.
I am going to be putting a rock and roller in and units, etc, basically convert it for trips away.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on January 07, 2011, 03:42:35 pm
How do you find it on hills? Having had a van with little umph it would be nice to go up hills without slowing down to and to be able to overtake without a 500yd run up.
I am going to be putting a rock and roller in and units, etc, basically convert it for trips away.

I have the 85hp version and have converted as you describe and it's not very good with hills to be honest, but will do the job.  I reckon the 108? version might be the right balance between economy and power.  Looking at the stats then its supposed to be more economical then the 85 anyway.

I think the engine is the same in the 1.9 versions so you can get them remapped eg 85-->110ish.

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: chummer on January 07, 2011, 03:56:11 pm
Blob on Chris, just the knowledge I'm seeking. Cheers for that.

Now I Know what engine to go for any advice on the rest of shizzle from anyone? Especially the lease v's HP
thing and any good dealerships and good finance deals that anyone has come across?



Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on January 07, 2011, 04:33:31 pm
Should have also said that the 130hp one has a 6th gear, which if your doing lots of motorway driving I can imagine being quite nice.

As Chris said above, finding a 2nd hand 130hp, low mileage, single front seat, tailgate etc is far far easier said than done!  I came to the conclusion that you had to compromise, buy new or be very lucky else you would be waiting a long while to find the van.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: richieb on January 07, 2011, 05:21:46 pm
Jon,
I always assumed that if you can get the money sorted first (ie bank loan), then you are in a much better position to haggle over the price of the van.
Also, you are then free to search the loan market for the best rate. The one time I got a car and took the finance deal from the dealer, he was obviously tied into a finance company and I obviously didn't get a very good rate. 


Fully agree about the 6 speed gear box, makes a big difference on motorway trips.


 
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: account_inactive on January 07, 2011, 06:54:28 pm
Should have also said that the 130hp one has a 6th gear, which if your doing lots of motorway driving I can imagine being quite nice.

As Chris said above, finding a 2nd hand 130hp, low mileage, single front seat, tailgate etc is far far easier said than done!  I came to the conclusion that you had to compromise, buy new or be very lucky else you would be waiting a long while to find the van.


I'm psyched by this 6th gear thing.  Just about to check VWT4 forum for details.  On the 130BHP theme I had mine done and it's been fantastic and was only £250, again a recomendation from people on the other forum


Realised that you were talking about the T5.  From what I gather the T4s are a better buy :whistle:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on January 07, 2011, 07:38:44 pm
How do you find it on hills? Having had a van with little umph it would be nice to go up hills without slowing down to and to be able to overtake without a 500yd run up.


Ours is the 108 BHP, and it takes on any hills that Scotland can offer without even breathing hard. If you find yourself underwhelmed by the power you can always get it rechipped. Go for a test drive at any van centre if you have any doubts.

We haggled very hard when we got ours, playing the dealerships off against each other, managed to get a fiar bit off list price. Then 9 months the arse fell out the economy, they reduced VAT and were just about giving cars away :(.

No idea about finance, we were fortunate enough to avoid it.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: chummer on January 07, 2011, 08:19:59 pm
Good point Rich, seems the way to go especially now the banks are being encouraged to give loans to small businesses.

6 speed would be sweet for heading up the Scotland and into Europe but I presume you pay a big premium for the luxury of 130bhp. I wonder if the 130 in 6th gear is more economical than the 108 in 5th? Bearing in mind I'm going to be using it as an everyday ride
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: chummer on January 07, 2011, 08:24:54 pm
time to hit the VW T5 forum I guess....
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: soapy on January 07, 2011, 09:34:14 pm
chummer, 3 year lease is best, decide on mileage limit, oh and get yourself vat registered. the lease company will offer the van to you once the lease expires for a reasonable premium because it saves them taking it back, cleaning/repairing and then standing it n their yard.

you can get it insured, serviced and fuelled through your business. all fit-out costs are offsettable also. you may have to declare it on your tax return p11d and pay tax at iirc 20% on £3000 for private use plus 20% on £500 for fuel, making £700 per year deductions. however if you keep a car or two at home don't bother with the p11d as it's justifiable to state 'no personal use'.

cvd are ok for commercial insurance including tool / freight cover.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: richieb on January 07, 2011, 09:36:09 pm
My van (peugeot expert) is 120bhp and 6 speed. I find that it is possible to get respectable mpg out of it (something like 40-45?) if you drive really steady, change up quickly and don't overtake anything.  Put your foot down and economy takes a nose dive, much more so than in a car.

I dont know if its the van or getting older, but I drive much slower these days anyway. Good thing really cos I only just realised after 3 years that the speed limits are 10mph lower for my van on national speed limit roads and dual carrigeways   :oops:





Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on January 07, 2011, 10:15:53 pm
6 speed would be sweet for heading up the Scotland and into Europe but I presume you pay a big premium for the luxury of 130bhp. I wonder if the 130 in 6th gear is more economical than the 108 in 5th? Bearing in mind I'm going to be using it as an everyday ride

I would expect the 2.5l to be a lot more thirsty. i think another difference is the 2.5l has a chain drive on the cam shaft, so doesn't need replacing unlike the cam bely on the 19.l. If you are interested in the comsumpion specs they are all in the brochure you can download from the vw van website.

http://www.volkswagen-vans.co.uk/transporter-range/transporter-panelvan/specifications (http://www.volkswagen-vans.co.uk/transporter-range/transporter-panelvan/specifications)

I think.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on January 07, 2011, 10:29:00 pm
I dont know if its the van or getting older, but I drive much slower these days anyway. Good thing really cos I only just realised after 3 years that the speed limits are 10mph lower for my van on national speed limit roads and dual carrigeways   :oops:

Really? ours had that limit originally, but we got registration changed from LGV to a Motor Caravan at the DVLA once we got it converted.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: richieb on January 08, 2011, 09:07:48 am
Mine is not a proper conversion Chris, so still registered as a goods vehicle. Not 'car derived' either.
All those times I've driven all the way up the A9 at bang on 60mph!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on January 08, 2011, 10:16:39 am
All those times I've driven all the way up the A9 at bang on 60mph!

That'll be how you get 40-45mpg!  I manage 33-37 from my fully converted T5 depending on the drive but always keeping below 80.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on January 08, 2011, 12:04:23 pm
I usually manage to stay at about 80, thanks to this nagging voice in the car. And I don't mean satnav.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on January 08, 2011, 12:42:31 pm
The VW T5 forum will have most of the answers you will be looking for re: what to look for but the main things to check are the Dual Mass Flywheel and the off side drivers shaft issue on earlier models. The DMF is easy enough to check for just try reversing it up a hill and if it shudders badly then the DMF is on the way out which is not a cheap fix - circa £700 from memory. The OS drive shaft is a bit trickier to check for but anything after (I think) 2006 should be OK as VW finally realised that putting the shaft in dry was a foolish idea by that stage - it is worth making sure that it has been done as you don't want the drive shaft spines shearing off and taking the gearbox with it.

Engine size is a personal preference really but the 1.9 (104 bhp variant) has done well by me - it pulls fine and will turn out 40ish mpg on a good run (at 80mph) but any short runs will see that figure halved easily - the 2.5 130bhp has more power (obviously) but the mpg will suffer as a result. Also if you go for the 2.5 then be aware that the 2007 models onwards run the Diesel Particulate Filter on the exhaust which is roundly condemned by all as far as I can tell because it is uncompromisingly shit.

There are a few tricks to getting better performance out of them without chipping\tuning - the two I have done so far being the simple but very effective blocking of Engine Gas Recirculation which made a huge difference to general driveability - lower down grunt (pulls at 1500rpm instead of 2000) being the main benefit and swapping the air filter out which made a slight improvement as well. The other option is to de-cat the exhaust which is supposed to be effective as well.

Anyway best of luck finding the right van - it is likely to prove the hardest part of the exercise when all is said and done.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on January 08, 2011, 01:08:14 pm
I'm not sure I agree with you that the 2.5Tdi will offer worse economy than the 1.9Tdi 104. Especially with the added advantage of a sixth speed. It all depends on how you drive it. I just had the 104 engine in a caddy and it could have done with a 6th and was more thirsty than my t4 by a fair margin.

Decat exhausts are an obvious MOT fail on modern diesels.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on January 08, 2011, 01:32:25 pm
I'm not sure I agree with you that the 2.5Tdi will offer worse economy than the 1.9Tdi 104. Especially with the added advantage of a sixth speed. It all depends on how you drive it. I just had the 104 engine in a caddy and it could have done with a 6th and was more thirsty than my t4 by a fair margin.

Decat exhausts are an obvious MOT fail on modern diesels.

Pretty sure that the official figures state that the 1.9 turns out better economy if only by a small margin though as you point out obvious factors would be what sort of driving you are going to be doing - predominant M-way driving is probably going to level the playing field somewhat but I would still expect the 1.9 to out perform.

Diesels aren't subject to the same emission specs as a petrol so removing the decat makes next to no difference - it will still piss the MOT - 1000's of people wouldn't have taken the option of removing if it didn't.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on January 08, 2011, 02:12:32 pm
Diesels aren't subject to the same emission specs as a petrol so removing the decat makes next to no difference - it will still piss the MOT - 1000's of people wouldn't have taken the option of removing if it didn't.

Its not a matter of it pissing the emissions test, its a requirement to have one fitted after a certain date. It isn't legal to drive without and upon a visual inspection will be a fail (hopefully not a post crash insurance inspection).  Where's Sloper to point out Magie told us the evils of cat's and pushed for lean burn fuel tech eh? Maybe Andy B can step in to take his place?

With regards to official figures nobody I knew could get the same economy out of their 1.9 T4's as my beefy yellow t4 (did I mention the owner after me is currently selling, its a fantastic van if anyone is looking). There's a lot to be said about excess power and the correcrt gearing. I'm on the same 1.9 VAG engine in a different (much smaller) car and once again my economy has been supersized due to not using the excess power (most of the time).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: iain on January 08, 2011, 05:31:52 pm
did I mention the owner after me is currently selling, its a fantastic van if anyone is looking

PM'd you
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on January 10, 2011, 01:07:54 pm
InsuranceChoice.co.uk will cover us for £1K with only £200 excess underwritten by Aviva.  Plus only £60 for EU brakedown cover also which isn't too bad.

I'll keep digging and if I find anything better I'll post it here in case its any use to anyone in the future.

Replying to myself, but this may be of use to someone in the future.

Just had a quote form sureterm.com (http://www.sureterm.com/camper-van-insurance/) for £318, Full European cover for 1 year, no strings. 5k personal effect cover, 2K gas + awnings, Glass, Courtesy Car etc...  And only an extra £42 for EU breakdown cover too.   :beer2:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on January 10, 2011, 01:22:49 pm
As an aside, the big 60 amp blade fuse in our van blew last week so no power to everything on the leisure battery. Not sure why, probably a short will have a look when I get a replacement. Can get a pack of 10 on Amazon for the price of one at halfrauds, and hopefully won't need all 10, so have a few to give away if anyone wants a spare one.

This should probably be on the freecycle thread, but they are a bit specific. Holler on a PM.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: chummer on January 10, 2011, 10:15:46 pm
Great stuff Butters, really appreciate the knowledge. Seems like the newer the T5 the better with regard to inherent mechanical problems.
The 1.9 104hp seems to fit the bill, I could always get it remapped.
Actually looking forward to the search for me van, thanks to everyone for the advice and knowledge, I'll keep you posted and will no doubt be consulting this thread again very shortly when I'm all  :shrug: and a bit  :wall:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: bobkatebob on February 28, 2011, 10:23:48 am
First of all please don't get too upset that I havn't read all 24 pages about campervan knowledge  :wavecry:

Anyway, I need to cange my much loved car soon, now I was thinking of a nice Audi TT. THing is it's rather impractical and other than occasional usage it will just get driven to the station and back once a week.

Then I had an idea, A van, we are paying loads to get stuff delivered and if it was done out very basically inside we could also use it as a basic camper for short trips.

So, I would be looking for an unconverted van to do a little bit of convertion on it (It needs to be able to still carry sheets of ply etc). I see that T4 and T5 seem to have a premium on their price is it worth it? I quite like the look of the Renault Trafic or the Merc Vito other than a the back that opens up rather than 2 doors, what other pros/cons are there between them?

Unless I Borrow  ;D Mr BKB's car then it will be my only set of wheels, so I was thinking of going for a SWB, is this too much of a compromise?

I feel like there are too many questions that I can't decide on, that I am going to end up procrastinating until the car I have now dies  :( and then end up rushing things.

Any and all help very welcome indeed.

bkb.....
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nik at work on February 28, 2011, 11:51:15 am
I know nothing about camper vans but if you're looking to move sheets of ply/plasterboard etc without trashing/emptying your semi-converted interior get a 4' x 8' roof rack. There's loads of them about for all makes of van and they are brilliant. I use mine all the time. Obviously you'll still need to use the interior of the van to shift bags of sand/cement etc but hey-ho you can't have everything...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on February 28, 2011, 11:57:02 am
How many would you intend ever having sleep in it? All 3 of you? How about something of a VW Caddy size? Might  be a bit of a problem for someone of mr bkb's height to sleep comfortably in, but you can work around that. Alternatively you could look at a Gallic equivalent, something like a Peugot Partner, or whatever the Citroen / Renault versions are.

A SWB of most vans is more than enough, otherwise they start getting a bit trickier to drive / park etc.

Regarding the double door / tailgate question, as most utility vehicles are used for carrying loads they come with double doors as a standard so that they can be loaded and unloaded with a forklift. Tailgates are usually an option though, and are useful for providing shelter when trying to get out a wetsuit in the pissing rain, and make fitting a bike rack a bit easier.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on February 28, 2011, 11:58:08 am
I know nothing about camper vans but if you're looking to move sheets of ply/plasterboard etc without trashing/emptying your semi-converted interior get a 4' x 8' roof rack. There's loads of them about for all makes of van and they are brilliant. I use mine all the time. Obviously you'll still need to use the interior of the van to shift bags of sand/cement etc but hey-ho you can't have everything...

Or just get a trailer!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: bobkatebob on February 28, 2011, 12:28:57 pm
Hey guys, thanks for the responses so far.

Tailgate is going on the list of must have I think, definately an added bonus to have somewhere to shelter under.

Friends have a caddy (or something like it), I think I would want a little bit more room, including the ability to sit up and move around fairly easily in the back.

We have a trailer so should put towbar on wish list. Think the roofrack might be the way forward for ply. For other stuff could I look at removable backseat/bed? with campervan ameneties just down 1 side?

It would mainly be used during the week during the french long summer hols by Mr BKB and his mini-me. Though it would be nice for all of us to use it sometimes. I would definately be looking at 3 seats up front, can you get it so just the driver seat can swivel round if you have a 2 seat pasenger seat next to it?

I have seen those streacher like beds that go over the front seats, they say they are for children, but there are toddlers and there are pre-teens (well in size), I am not sure how long this would be a viable option.

If I don't reply back staright away, it's cause I am on my long comute  :thumbsdown:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on February 28, 2011, 12:40:54 pm
Will reply later when I have more time but would advise against a Vito unless you like dealing with tin worm.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: bobkatebob on March 01, 2011, 08:02:08 am
One question I have. I have heard loads over the years that the best place to buy a Camper was Germany.
Now as I have the delights of being in Germany 3 days a week, I thought I might see what vans were like over here.

I am seriously disappointed, either I am looking in the wrong place or I have to wait until the exchange rate changes loads, but it seems to me you get even less van for your money over here than you do in the UK, it's nearly as bad as France (though not quite, it seems anything second hand, even totally beat up comands nearly new prices in France, and this isn't just cars,  :shrug:).

So guys am I missing something?

BTW, I am looking at spending some pounds, that is why the interest rates come into play when looking at €
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on March 01, 2011, 08:42:44 am
Right I have found five minutes.

VW's really do attract the scene tax and the situation is not getting any better at the minute - the T4 is really holding its value at the minute and it is possible to pick up a newer T5 for similar money if you shop around. The reason for this is people like the look of the T4 more - it seems to have a classic look that people like and also there is a lot more electronics on the T5 which make them more difficult to work on yourself if that is your thing. The T5 also gets slated (unjustifiably in my opinion) as a less reliable van. As already mentioned avoid the Merc Vito - they just attract rust like there is no tomorrow for some reason. I know next to nothing about other vans to be honest (I have a T5) but all it is at the end of the day is a tin box and you kit it out how you want.

Removable back seat is a possibility and there are a few different options available but most have not been crash tested - I think SA Chris has the full crash tested one but you are talking mega bucks for one compared to the non-crash tested variant and they aren't cheap - whether Chris's is removable I have no idea.

Swivel on the drivers seat with the bench seat fitted - from a T5 perspective it won't work as there isn't enough space between the two IMO and I would imagine that you will have the same issues with any other van.

As for SWB vs LWB - I would always go for SWB as it makes the van more manageable in a day to day situation - again referring to the T5 as that is what I know best the difference between the two is 400mm on the loading area I think which isn't much but it all adds up.

For build ideas it is always worth checking out the VW T4 Forum (http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/) - it is specifically for VW's buut the ideas should be transferable to any model of van with a bit of gumption but be aware that there are a lot of really tempting ideas on there to go at.

Any other questions...  ;)

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on March 01, 2011, 09:21:20 am
Removable back seat is a possibility and there are a few different options available but most have not been crash tested - I think SA Chris has the full crash tested one but you are talking mega bucks for one compared to the non-crash tested variant and they aren't cheap - whether Chris's is removable I have no idea.

Swivel on the drivers seat with the bench seat fitted - from a T5 perspective it won't work as there isn't enough space between the two IMO and I would imagine that you will have the same issues with any other van.

We got a crash tested RIB bed fitted, yes mega expensive, but with small children in the back a lot of the time we wanted peace of mind. And no it's not removable without a lot of effort, but as it converts to a bed there is no real need to remove it. If we want to carry stuff in the back we lay the bed flat cover it with some old blankets and stack stuff on top of it. I think if you were looking for something with removable seats so you could fit a bed, A Caravelle, Kombi or similar may be the way to go.  And with 1 + 2 seat bench  up front I don't think there is any van that you could fit a swivel on the seat. The bench seat can be folded forward though (i think) so you can sit on that if needed. Not as comfy though.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on March 01, 2011, 10:02:59 am
Fnow I was thinking of a nice Audi TT. T

I have a lovely red Audi TT i am selling  ;)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on March 01, 2011, 10:31:26 am
The bench seat can be folded forward though (i think) so you can sit on that if needed. Not as comfy though.

Depends on the seat fitted - not all do. The one in my T5 does and will possibly become available sometime later this year but no guarantee on that one.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: bobkatebob on March 01, 2011, 11:26:01 am
Thanks guys for all the help, Well except for Adam  :ras: You have to realise that the TT was me being practical (there were others on my list  ;D), but the realisation of what getting a van would mean, means the van is winning.

Butters, thanks for the lowdown, and SA Chris, I really think that we won't be needing a crash rated back seat, there will only ever be 3 of us max.

Regards the scene tax, I am really not wanting to pay it, I've never been trendy, so why splash the cash and start now?  :shrug: I am looking at good age/mileage/spec combos, would rather save the money for doing the inside nicely.

there are 2 sorts that seem to have been catching my eye ex AA and ex RAC vans (am I actually just being girly about their colour  :-\ ) the age/milage combos seem good, then they have towbars, tailgate, 3 front seats. The RAC are Transit SWB 330 and the AA are Renault Trafic SL29. Thing is other than styling difference and wether we gain brownie points with the locals is there really anything in it between the 2 (or should I avoid both?).

Thank you for being patient with all my questions, but I really feel like I am making headway on narrowing down what I am looking for which I really appreciate.

(Hopefully not too many more questions now Butters  :whistle: )
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on March 01, 2011, 12:07:53 pm
Don't know much about either of those vans to be honest - worth a search of Google and any forums associated with the two different models to see what turns up but be aware that the bad tends to get reported a lot more than the good.

I will stand down on the questions front for now then but feel free to ask away some more when it come to sorting out the inside. I will say now that it is best to decide pretty much exactly what you want and then have an ordered plan from there. I have done pROJECT mAYHEM once already but it will be undergoing a minor refit next week to correct a few minor annoyances and general cock ups from not doing the above... :-[
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on March 01, 2011, 12:53:54 pm
Can't remember where, but earlier in this thread someone made mention of Transits being rustbuckets?

We looked at one briefly, but were put off by RWD. Not ideal for winter roads up here, but unlikely an issue for you.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bubba on March 01, 2011, 12:56:52 pm

There should be plenty of FWD Trannies about.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on March 01, 2011, 01:31:25 pm
I've seen Renault traffic / Vauxhall Vivaro and whatever Peugeout call them converted to campers (mainly by the Spanish) and they are quite different to the usually selected vans. From my limited experience they seemed to be wider but with a lower roof in the rear.

T4's/5's attract a premium because they're nice vans and are nice to drive. This can't be said for all vans and could be a real pain on long distances. Things are getting slightly out of hand with t4's and AA versions are even more expensive as they're now pretty rare but the 5's seem reasonable to me?

The transit I hired for my last IKEA raie was great but it wasn't a patch on the T4. Its also worth noting that the information on most sites refers to the more popular vans, mainly the VW's.

Is there a budget to work with here (sorry to pry) as that might help narrow things down?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: bobkatebob on March 01, 2011, 02:44:28 pm
Hmm, sounds like it would be good to test drive a few to see how well/badly they do drive. The van could well end up doing some serious mileage.

Good to know about the RWD, I stopped using my car this winter due to snow, they grit on hills but not on flat however sharp the corner  :(

Rust is always a concern, I don't want to buy cheap then end up with big maintenance bills every year, but don't want to just spend extra as others think the styling is trendy so are more sort after.

Didn't think too much about hight, though Mr BKB might like not hitting his head too much, not much of a problem for me though, most of them I could stand up fine in ;-)

Budget, well it's about the 5k mark that's not taking into acount any pennies I can get for my car, though I think it could bump it up to 6k. thing is, get cheaper but spend some on starting converting, or blow it all on the van, then wait for a while for converting  :-\

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on March 01, 2011, 02:51:14 pm
againt it depends on how 'converted' you want it (and if converting is in the above budget?)...

A T4/5 seems feasible IMO.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: fatboySlimfast on March 01, 2011, 03:57:14 pm
seem to remember a cheap rnroller bed for sale somewhere :whistle:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: saintlade on March 18, 2011, 11:33:44 am
Hey guys,

just bought a Nissan Primastar (Vauxhall Vivaro/Renault trafic clone) and fitting it out as a light camper van. Going to ply and insulate, fit a bench down the driver side of the van which will fold out into a bed platform with some storage underneath. I expect I will be spending some time in it in winter and thus thinking of putting some sort of vapour barrier down between the metal panels and the insulation to stop it rusting inside out. I was thinking of just laying down dust sheet under the insulation as it's cheap as chips and I figured being plastic should do the job. Am I being thick and missing something or does this sound like a reasonable solution?

I've got 25mm polystyrene insulation with foam backing for the floor, slotting between 25mm batons which will support the ply floor. Then going to put some lino on top of that. For the sides and roof have got some 50mm dritherm cavity slab roofing insulation and going to carpet over this. Will post some pictures later of progress.

Stu



Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on March 18, 2011, 11:43:28 am
Unless it's completely airtight moisture can get behind it, so if it's not part of the solution it can be part of the problem. Corrosion under insulation can be a right pig to deal with in most situations.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: saintlade on March 18, 2011, 12:49:35 pm
So best not to bother at all as I can't imagine it's easy getting it airtight? I guess it comes down to opening a window at night and making sure there's a bit of ventilation to cut down on condensation in winter then?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on March 18, 2011, 06:56:26 pm
Insulation is a tricky subject and depends on what you will be doing in winter as much as anything - if you are going to be doing Scottish Winter climbing or cooking in the van then you are probably going to suffer a problem with moisture getting behind things. On the other hand if it just sleeping in the van then make sure that the air can circulate (have a window or two slightly open at night) then the problem should regulate itself a lot better. Getting a pair of deflectors helps a lot with this as well as the window doesn't look open unless you look closely and also provides a cover against wind\rain getting directly into the van.

With regard to Chris's point - what you need to be wary of is insulation that can retain moisture - some types of loft insulation are reputed to be bad for this that's when you have problems. If you are using something like Celotex\Kingspan I can not see it being much of an issue to my mind - I have got  the above in my van and having just ripped the floor out again in a random episode of rebuilding there wasn't anything to worry about there after 12 months. Also warm air inside will have to go through a ply floor and 25mm of insulation or through the carpeted board and the insulation behind that before it hits the cold air outside so the chances of vapour build up isn't that high IMO.

As ever I recommend a search of the T4 Forum will provide a lot of thought on the matter (some good some bad) so all I can really say is do your research and make your own mind up. 

One last point - 50mm insulation in the roof? Check your measurements on that as I suspect you are going to be short of room by 30mm and that is just to the roof panel so lights and the like are going to require recesses in that. I used two or three layers of the silver backed bubble wrap between the gaps which seems to be fine and doesn't compromise anything.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duma on April 23, 2011, 02:48:01 am
Will have some questions for butters soon I'm sure (assuming the vast dataset that is the T4 forums can't help), but just spent a week in font in her, and very pleased to be back in the van way.
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/9865957@N07/5636053368/in/set-72157626410185483) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/9865957@N07/5636053368/in/photostream/)
Edit: Work IT bollocks seems to be interfering with my ability to post flickr links, but you should be able to click through
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on April 23, 2011, 01:13:20 pm
Will have some questions for butters soon I'm sure (assuming the vast dataset that is the T4 forums can't help), but just spent a week in font in her, and very pleased to be back in the van way.
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/9865957@N07/5636053368/in/set-72157626410185483) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/9865957@N07/5636053368/in/photostream/)
Edit: Work IT bollocks seems to be interfering with my ability to post flickr links, but you should be able to click through

Feel free to ask any questions van related - I don't confess to being an expert (my van would have been finished long ago if I was...) but quite happy to share anything I have learnt on the way.  ;)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on April 23, 2011, 04:37:34 pm
Ok, without reading through the whole thread, what is the best engine to get T5 wise. Looking for more economy than anything else. Also, what kind of mpg can i expect with reasonable driving.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duma on April 23, 2011, 05:34:54 pm
Will have some questions for butters soon I'm sure (assuming the vast dataset that is the T4 forums can't help), but just spent a week in font in her, and very pleased to be back in the van way.
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/9865957@N07/5636053368/in/set-72157626410185483) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/9865957@N07/5636053368/in/photostream/)
Edit: Work IT bollocks seems to be interfering with my ability to post flickr links, but you should be able to click through
Home  now, hopefully this should work:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5101/5636053368_7355490373_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/9865957@N07/5636053368/)
Black Betty @ Beorlots 2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/9865957@N07/5636053368/#) by Duma Brickhill (http://www.flickr.com/people/9865957@N07/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on April 23, 2011, 05:46:49 pm
Ok, without reading through the whole thread, what is the best engine to get T5 wise. Looking for more economy than anything else. Also, what kind of mpg can i expect with reasonable driving.

Think the VW stats show the 104 or is it 110 HP one asmost efficient.  I get 33 to 37 out of mine fully converted and loaded. Used to get 39 tops before covversion.  Gets much worse above 70 / 80...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on April 23, 2011, 10:58:35 pm
My T5 (104 bhp) gets high 30's on a run (sat at legal-ish speeds on a motorway) though I have had low 40's on a run to Font which I think is about as good as it gets without tuning.

Pretty sure I have written up what to look out for with regards to T5's on this thread so have a look but feel free to get in touch if you want to know more. Now is not the ideal time to be looking though really as every man plus his dog are dreaming of doing one up to convert the sun is shining etc.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: El Mocho on June 21, 2011, 09:54:40 am
Just had a quote form sureterm.com (http://www.sureterm.com/camper-van-insurance/) for £318, Full European cover for 1 year, no strings. 5k personal effect cover, 2K gas + awnings, Glass, Courtesy Car etc...  And only an extra £42 for EU breakdown cover too.   :beer2:

Just got insurance with these guys, £335  or so. Had just gone up from £350 to nearly £700 (with the only change being 1 extra years no claims) with mine insured as a van. Do need a gas safe certificate for mine (as part of insurance) and therefore a bit of work - drop out for gas, sealed cuboard for bottle etc anyone had experience of doing this themselves/know of anyone cheap (not to bothered by good - have you seen my van, also just camping gas bottle and stove which I turn off at the bottle when not using so no real chance of leaks) around shef who could do it?

Will also try to get mine officially converted to camper (although insurers didn't seem to bothered by this)

cheers

bb
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on June 21, 2011, 10:01:04 am
Never had a gas safe cert for ours for any insurance.

Main benefit for getting it reclassified from van to "motor caravan" is the lifting of the speed limit, as per previous pages.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: El Mocho on June 21, 2011, 10:12:15 am
I think it might be to do with 'self conversion' (I think this also includes many of the smaller companies who convert them for you?)

Agreed with the speed restriction thing, thats my main reason for doing it.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on June 21, 2011, 10:30:01 am
What is your road tax per year Chris? I seem to remember that it goes up considerably with the reclassification.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on June 21, 2011, 11:13:46 am
I'll check with management, she spends the money, I only earn it.

Whatever it is it's worth it for getting there quicker and saving on fines.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on June 26, 2011, 02:39:40 pm
Will also try to get mine officially converted to camper (although insurers didn't seem to bothered by this)

Doesn't look as if that is a possibility any longer - it seems the DVLA are now reclassifying as "A Van with windows" (http://www.campervanlife.com/building/legal)...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: wolfgang on July 25, 2011, 12:39:57 pm
Does anyone have any experience with VW Caddy? Specifically converting with a bed and general travel stuff?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on July 25, 2011, 02:03:08 pm
have you looked back through this thread? I converted one and so has another UKB memeber (north_country_boy). Apart from the size, there's no a lot of difference between insulating/carpetting/wiring a caddy than any other van (apart from maybe the timed lives in the back).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: wolfgang on July 25, 2011, 04:33:31 pm
cheers, had a search couldnt find much. Could you sleep in the back of one, big enough for a double??
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on July 25, 2011, 04:46:07 pm
Ok, without reading through the whole thread, what is the best engine to get T5 wise. Looking for more economy than anything else. Also, what kind of mpg can i expect with reasonable driving.

Think the VW stats show the 104 or is it 110 HP one asmost efficient.  I get 33 to 37 out of mine fully converted and loaded. Used to get 39 tops before covversion.  Gets much worse above 70 / 80...

And would people say get the 1.9 or stump up extra for 2.5?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on July 25, 2011, 04:58:29 pm
the 2.5 engine is better (IMO).

cheers, had a search couldnt find much. Could you sleep in the back of one, big enough for a double??

yes, but you'll have to make good use of the curved rear end and the gap between the pillars to get the most out of the available room. NCB is considerably taller than me and sleep in his.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on July 25, 2011, 09:51:27 pm
the 2.5 engine is better (IMO).

The only reason that I can see to go for the 2.5 is the 6th gear - it is the 1.9's Achilles heel as in all other aspects the 1.9 is the better van IMO when it comes to T5's.

The third way is to get the 84bhp model and get it tuned for circa £300 - they are exactly the same internals as the 104bhp model and can be safely tweaked up to 135-140bhp (tuners recommendations). I have seen figures as high as 160bhp mentioned but that is more of a power map as opposed to a power\economy map as I understand it and it definitely one of the winter projects on my van. 
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on July 25, 2011, 10:02:34 pm
If anyone's interested, a  mate of mine in Aberdeen is selling this as he needs a car instead:

http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/renault-trafic-basic-camper-conversion-no-vat/84621339 (http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/renault-trafic-basic-camper-conversion-no-vat/84621339)

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 26, 2011, 08:43:47 am
Dave makes some wild unsubstantiated claims in that ad!

The van is in good nick though and a good deal.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on July 26, 2011, 08:56:47 am
Ha! Which ones?

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 26, 2011, 09:16:53 am
Quote
Really nice to drive much better than VW transporter and Vito.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on July 26, 2011, 09:43:20 am
Have you driven both?

 :worms:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 26, 2011, 09:48:38 am
Of course. All 3 actually. But that's beside the point; "better" is unsubstantiated, which is the point I was trying make.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on July 26, 2011, 10:00:16 am
Which would you say is the nicest to drive?

I was half-tempted to get a van but I just don't think I'd get the use out of it to jusfity it!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 26, 2011, 10:19:13 am
I liked driving the Vito, but it was a 2.2l or so so so a bit livelier. Wouldn't get one though as they are RWD so a right dog in the snow apparently, and also prone to colour fading and rust, and don't keep value very well. After that I prefer the transporter to a trafic, which feels like a van rather than the t5 feeling like a car. It's all personal preference though. If you are thinking about it and drive feel is important I would do some test drives.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 27, 2011, 04:48:42 pm
the 2.5 engine is better (IMO).

The only reason that I can see to go for the 2.5 is the 6th gear - it is the 1.9's Achilles heel as in all other aspects the 1.9 is the better van IMO when it comes to T5's.


I think the 2.5 also has a chain drive instead of belt on the cam shaft, so doesn't need replacing at 100 or so K. Not sure if that is enough to justify the extra cash though.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: north_country_boy on July 27, 2011, 06:13:55 pm
the 2.5 engine is better (IMO).

The only reason that I can see to go for the 2.5 is the 6th gear - it is the 1.9's Achilles heel as in all other aspects the 1.9 is the better van IMO when it comes to T5's.


I think the 2.5 also has a chain drive instead of belt on the cam shaft, so doesn't need replacing at 100 or so K. Not sure if that is enough to justify the extra cash though.

1.9 104Tdi is in my opinion, the best option....and unlike mentioned above, I'm pretty certain they are both chain driven (no cambelt)

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on July 27, 2011, 11:28:21 pm
1.9 104Tdi is in my opinion, the best option....and unlike mentioned above, I'm pretty certain they are both chain driven (no cambelt)

Unless my very reliable and trustworthy garage did me over a few months ago SA Chris is right in stating that the 1.9 is belt driven. ;) The 2.5 is chain driven which is probably just as well from what little I know as there is next to no room under the bonnet with the 5 cylinder engine it has to accommodate to do the timing and the like.

I stand by my statement that the 1.9 could do with a 6th gear though - it would transform a very, very good van into an awesome one but if there is a way of fitting a 6 speed gear box to one it has yet to hit the T4 Forum.  :(
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 28, 2011, 01:46:50 pm
NCB, if you've got a 1.9l which is around the 100k miles mark, might be a good idea to contact a local mechanic!

I think a 6th gear would be a nice to have, but I don't think would make a massive amount of difference to my driving, apart from maybe save a bit on economy on the few long straight runs I do. Although if I end up doing more miles on the continent I may revise this statement. 
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on July 28, 2011, 02:00:14 pm
And while you are having the timing belt done get the water pump done at the same time. It's a bit more expense but not as bad as having to strip all the timing belt and stuff off again to get to the water pump when that decides to give up the ghost.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: north_country_boy on July 28, 2011, 02:06:11 pm
And while you are having the timing belt done get the water pump done at the same time. It's a bit more expense but not as bad as having to strip all the timing belt and stuff off again to get to the water pump when that decides to give up the ghost.

Cheers for the advice guys. Fully aware the 1.9 Tdi in the Caddy is belt driven and that its wise to change the water pump at the same time, however I was under the impression the T5 version was chain driven. My mistake.

Mine has only done 34k, even though VW wanted me to have it changed when it was serviced three weeks ago.

Incidently, I keep meaning to take some pictures of my Caddy conversion to post up, i'll try get around to it if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Wipey Why on July 29, 2011, 05:23:23 pm
Incidently, I keep meaning to take some pictures of my Caddy conversion to post up, i'll try get around to it if anyone is interested.

If you could be so kind as to post them up I would appreciate it.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: philo on July 31, 2011, 06:46:21 pm
Hello, thought id wade in with my latest purchase -
Fiat Scudo SWB 2007 - Only going to be used for surfing and camping so looking up various guides online of other peoples builds.  Anyone else converted one?

(http://www.commercialtrader.co.uk/merlin-image-server/view/5dd4af78-6ef2-4837-bdd3-134cf4dbc864/600)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 31, 2011, 07:48:29 pm
Nice one philo, about bloody time! Generic van size and shape, so you can use info from anyone's conversion.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on August 01, 2011, 09:44:46 am
Anyone have a vitrifrigo fridge in their camper/conversion? Ours turn on fine and gets down to a nice temperature but after about 12 hrs decides to turn itself off. Any ideas?

The only things that springs to mind are either lack of ventilation causing it to turn off or that we always whack onto as cold as possible so maybe it just runs down the leisure battery then when there isn’t enough power left it turn off?

We only really use the leisure battery for the fridge and the lights in the back, the roof and the blinds are all run off the car battery. It’s a bit of a pain that by the end of a warm weekend the fridge is as warm as the rest of the inside of the van.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: MattW on August 01, 2011, 09:55:21 am
Hi folks, can anyone recommend a good and cheap place in Sheffield/South Yorks to get bodywork done? I've got a T4 thats in need of some touching up (scratches and a couple of minor dents) but theres probably a bit too much to try and do a decent job of it myself without making things worse.
Cheers
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 01, 2011, 10:24:40 am
Anyone have a vitrifrigo fridge in their camper/conversion? Ours turn on fine and gets down to a nice temperature but after about 12 hrs decides to turn itself off.

Not sure what make our fridge is, but we went to Skye for a weekend and it was really hot and sunny (astounding, yes I know). Arrived midday morning on the Saturday, and left the fridge running all day, switched it off overnight, then switched it off overnight (a bit noisy), then switched it on the next morning and the leisure battery was flat when we got back on the Sunday night, so it lasted approx 12 hours on the Sat and at least 3 hours in the morning and not sure how long after that. We were told it should run for 20ish hours on one charge, so sounds about right. Only ran lights for a few hours in the evening.

So in conclusion; no idea, 12 hours sounds a bit light. Once the fridge dies surely you can check if there is any power left in the battery by switching a light on?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 01, 2011, 10:27:42 am
Hi folks, can anyone recommend a good and cheap place in Sheffield/South Yorks to get bodywork done? I've got a T4 thats in need of some touching up (scratches and a couple of minor dents) but theres probably a bit too much to try and do a decent job of it myself without making things worse.
Cheers

If it's only light cosmetic, can Dent Devils or similar do it?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: MattW on August 01, 2011, 10:43:04 am
Hadn't heard of them, cheers for the knowledge they look like they're worth speaking to.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on August 01, 2011, 10:57:00 am
So in conclusion; no idea, 12 hours sounds a bit light. Once the fridge dies surely you can check if there is any power left in the battery by switching a light on?

There's still enough battery for lights and the sink but I was wondering as they are lower power users, maybe there's enough juice left for them but not enough for the fridge?

The light on the zig power unit still show green though. Hmmm.....
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on August 01, 2011, 11:00:59 am
and what does a multimeter say? (or the fridge user manual?)

My gas heater used to have a cut-off when the voltage dropped below 12v to ensure it could shutdown completely/properly.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 01, 2011, 11:01:17 am
With ours once the LB is dead from the fridge nothing works.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: philo on August 01, 2011, 07:06:48 pm
Heres a question for you.  Shopped around for insurance on my van and used admiral, told them the usage of my van and the reasons for owning one etc.  I assumed they were ok with my NCB that I have built up on my car being transferred across to the van but in reality, could they be cocks if there was an accident? 
They require proof etc so ill send it off and see what they come back with.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Drewski Rootbitch on August 01, 2011, 07:43:57 pm
Not read through all fridge-related posts, but I had a continual problem with mine (3 way unit running gas while stationary) until realising two things.
1. The fridge only has a 5 degree (angle) of tolerance any more than this (tilt level) and it'd remain running, but stop cooling.
2. When we'd close the main side door it's cause enough draft to blow out the fridge gas as it'd force air through the vent.
Sorry if this isn't directly relevant, but if I'd known this, it'd have saved me a lot of :wall:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 01, 2011, 07:57:56 pm
Heres a question for you.  Shopped around for insurance on my van and used admiral, told them the usage of my van and the reasons for owning one etc.  I assumed they were ok with my NCB that I have built up on my car being transferred across to the van but in reality, could they be cocks if there was an accident? 


What do you mean? Unless your NCB is protected you will lose it if you have an accident and make a claim regardless of what you are driving won't you?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: wolfgang on August 03, 2011, 11:21:59 am
Insulation
Whats best, Kingspan or celotex or this foil insulation stuff?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: wolfgang on August 08, 2011, 08:08:16 pm
...what sort of mattress's are campers putting in the back of their motor? Iv been looking at a ikea topper thing.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on August 08, 2011, 09:57:36 pm
Anyone have a vitrifrigo fridge in their camper/conversion? Ours turn on fine and gets down to a nice temperature but after about 12 hrs decides to turn itself off. Any ideas?

I've got a Vitrifrigo.

I'd guess the fridge is probably seeing a low voltage when it decides to cut out.  This is likely due to one of a few possible reasons.

1) Leisure batteries are too small in capacity (a low number of Ah, but even the smallest (say 60Ah) leisure battery should be able to keep a 30W fridge cool for 24hours at least)

2) Leisure batteries are knackered and not holding their full charge giving a similar result to (1).  Sometimes this can be rectified by topping up with water / reconditioning the batteries.

3) Voltage drop across the cable to the fridge is causing the V at the fridge to be less than that at the battery.  This can happen because the cable to the fridge is too long/thin and hence has too higher a resistance.  The Vitrifrigo manual has a table giving the AWG/diameter of the cable required for differing lengths of cable run. 

I've got 220Ah worth of batteries in my van and have been in Europe since the spring (very warm at times), but even in Rodellar where we didn't move the van for 7 days in pretty warm temps then the fridge remained cool all the time.  I don't think its ever stopped working while away.

One more thing is that its pretty bad for your batteries to fully flatten them - From memory then the Vitrifrigo fridges have the low voltage cut out to prevent this happening completely, but even so then discharging a 12V Lead Acid battery to < 50% too often will drastically shorten its life span - leading to (2) above.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: philo on August 16, 2011, 12:19:48 am
update:  insulated panels and put a carpet down on the floor, done a bit of searching and found no real info about how to pannel the ceiling of a scudo.  It has a pretty thick bar through the middle of the van (horizontally) but if i was to panel over that I would lose a few inches of headroom. 

For surfboard storage, thinking of making a box about a ft high and 23 inch wide to story my boards in - it could double up as a bed/ foldy out thing.  Its either that or dangle them from the roof in a cargo/strap/bungje system.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on August 16, 2011, 12:50:50 am
Are you looking for info on insulating the roof? About three layers of that silver backed bubble wrap is what I used as it takes up next to no space and you will have problems with light fittings and all the rest that goes through the roof panel with any thing else. Just glue it to the metal work.

If you are looking for the panels them selves that fit to the roof them probably best to see if there are any on the bay of fleas or if you can borrow some as templates and make your own but it depends on how much you need the head room.

Lastly - carpet on the floor with wetsuits and surf boards does not sound like a good idea. Unless you have thought of something and not told us it's going to ming like a wet dog!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: philo on August 16, 2011, 03:32:12 am
The carpet is only a temp thing.  Ive got like a wet changing area inside the back door, a few ft by a few ft (enough to get changed out of the cold).
Im not too bothered about insulating the roof, would like ply paneling covering the majority of the metal work.  (ive searched for templates) and most of the panel kits only have the walls/floors/arches etc - If I can keep it a couple of cm then im not bothered about that headroom. 

ps. left my board in the van with some seaweed on my leash (after a heavy storm, the days after is thick seaweed) and my van smells worse than a wet dog  :lol:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 16, 2011, 08:40:56 am
A mate of mine has a strap system for hanging boards in the roof area of his Vito which work well. Some proprietary system which attaches to the roof, will ask him about make.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 19, 2011, 03:16:20 pm
Getting paranoid, as van is just one week out of warranty and wouldn't start this morning at the first sign of cold weather NNFN! Left for a few hours until weather warmed up, and strarted OK, now at dealer for a diagnostics check, but made me painfully aware that with engine management systems and shit in modern vehicles that at the first sight of any trouble the ECU just shuts the systems down and without diagnostics you are a bit screwed. I suspect it is glowplugs this time, but who knows next time?

Anyone recommend any good or specialist breakdown recovery for campervans? Always used Autoaid in the past, but they won't cover for vans.

Alternatively, is there a diagnostics App? Now there's a market! :)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 19, 2011, 04:29:41 pm
My money would be on a battery about to die from the little you have given away.

Diagnostics - VAGCOM on a laptop and a cable to connect to the ODB2 port located to the RHS of the steering column but an alternative would be the Torque app (https://market.android.com/details?id=org.prowl.torquefree&feature=search_result) that will run on Android. Needs a Bluetooth ODB2 dongle thingy (Ebay it but should be about a few fuck alls) but should be able to get real time data fed directly to the phone using that. I have been considering it to get real time turbo pressure readings displayed in the van (for no other reason than I can) but have got no further than that as I wanted to couple it up with Tasker so that it automatically launches when plugged in to the in car charger which I have yet to get around to sorting out. Should work on the VW no problem as it is a standard protocol it uses but don't quote me on that.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 19, 2011, 04:59:12 pm
Sounds like an option.

Anyway, useless bastards have come back and told me there is an "intermittent fault" in communications between key and immobiliser, which will cost me either £180 for the key, £500 for the immobiliser, or possibly both if I replace the key and then fimd it is actually the immobiliser that is the problem. And they don't know which. Cunts.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: yorkshireman on October 19, 2011, 05:04:10 pm
i wouldnt have thought it would be cold enough yet for it to be the glow plugs.doe your engine use the preheating type(hold the ignition on for 3-5 seconds before firing)assembly?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on October 19, 2011, 05:22:08 pm
On the breakdown front I've got AA cover through my bank and they've been good to me so far. No issues with it being a Bongo.

The key/immobiliser stuff sounds shit. My van problem stem from having bought a rust bucket and the fact that on-street parking in Manchester seems to have been an excuse for people to just drive into the side of it. There's barely a panel in it without a dent!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 19, 2011, 05:35:51 pm
i wouldnt have thought it would be cold enough yet for it to be the glow plugs.doe your engine use the preheating type(hold the ignition on for 3-5 seconds before firing)assembly?

It's not and no, see comment above regards immobiliser.

It's really annoying, especially as we are meant to be away next week to Northumberland, and don't want to set off down the road with no idea how far we will get before it plays up again. I'm getting the spare key to them tomorrow am and hopefully they can use that to figure out the problem. One fucking week out of warranty.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: yorkshireman on October 19, 2011, 05:56:23 pm
ahh sorry didnt see your subsequent post.
if your vehicle is just out of warranty contact the manufacturer as most of the time they do something atleast towards it in goodwill  ;)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 19, 2011, 06:01:02 pm
yeah, was thinking that. No point in trying to get anything out of the local dealership as they have a reputation for being really shit.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: yorkshireman on October 19, 2011, 06:43:10 pm
yeah definately go straight to the manufacturer but in the first instance stick to just out of warrenty good will etc and then if you have no luck include discussing it on an internet forum in your second letter ;)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on February 20, 2012, 05:26:39 pm
Without searching the whole thread. Got myself a T5 which i should be picking up Wednesday.

Insurance wise, anyone managed to get their cars ncd onto their new van insurance? Guessing brentacre and such like.
What prices are people paying, looks about £690 for me, using gocompare as a guide. 6 years no claims on a car for what its worth. Any tips of getting cheaper?

Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on February 20, 2012, 06:16:25 pm
If are planning to convert it and get it registered/insured as a camper then that will help.  I'm paying £325 with Sureterm Direct for 12 months (that's including a bit extra for a full 12 month Green Card too).   
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on February 20, 2012, 06:24:45 pm
If are planning to convert it and get it registered/insured as a camper then that will help.  I'm paying £325 with Sureterm Direct for 12 months (that's including a bit extra for a full 12 month Green Card too).

I am, but this will take time. Guess i need to insure it as normal for a while.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on February 20, 2012, 06:29:50 pm
When I did mine they were happy with the fact that It was a basic van to start with but that I was in the process of converting it - I think they gave me a time frame to do it in but can't remember how long it was.  Don't crash it before its finished though as its only insured for its 'basic' value until you let them know its final value.

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on February 20, 2012, 06:50:47 pm
When I did mine they were happy with the fact that It was a basic van to start with but that I was in the process of converting it - I think they gave me a time frame to do it in but can't remember how long it was.  Don't crash it before its finished though as its only insured for its 'basic' value until you let them know its final value.

Really? That sounds like a really good deal then! Wow... What were the minimum requirements for it to satisfy their criteria Chris?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Ste on February 20, 2012, 07:14:54 pm
My T5.1 is insured as a camper pending conversion with Shield insurance. They give you 120 days to complete your conversion and the criteria is basic. My initial quote was £1,800 as a van but only £280 as a camper valued at £30k. You need to provide them with pics of your bed, storage cupboard and a place that can secure gas and water storage. My conversion is not finished yet and it's looking like I will run over the 120 days but they are fine about it.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Drew on February 20, 2012, 08:27:33 pm
Sorry to barge in, but I'm interested too. I was wondering how basic your cupboard, and water & gas storage need to be. I mean are we talking Amdro (http://www.amdro.co.uk/) style, or a single fixed wooden box, a Jerry can, and a few small gas canisters on a portable stove?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Ste on February 21, 2012, 09:17:11 am
Not sure on the specifics -I will dig out the paperwork and post the details later today.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ianv on February 21, 2012, 09:47:54 am
I insured my bongo with http://www.2getherinsurance.com/ (http://www.2getherinsurance.com/) they were pretty cheap: £450 (for a dodgy postcode) incl euro travelling and euro breakdown cover.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on February 21, 2012, 11:18:06 am
When I did mine they were happy with the fact that It was a basic van to start with but that I was in the process of converting it - I think they gave me a time frame to do it in but can't remember how long it was.  Don't crash it before its finished though as its only insured for its 'basic' value until you let them know its final value.

Hi Chris, just rang them and got a really good quote. However they have given me 90 day to get a fixed bed installed, non rock and roller bed, running water, and gas, certified by an engineer. Is that all something you did? The rock and roller bed is going to be a problem...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on February 21, 2012, 11:19:43 am
You need to provide them with pics of your bed, storage cupboard and a place that can secure gas and water storage.

Does Shield specify you can't have a rock and roller bed? Sureterm said it can't be. See above post.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on February 21, 2012, 11:59:40 am
Scrap all that. Adrian flux have given me 6 months to convert. Only criteria is bed, which can be rock and roller, cupboard, and cooker. Result. And cheap as chips.

Forgot to ask them, but assuming the new laws means there v5 document doesn't need changing to campervan? Seems that isn't needed/allowed nowadays.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on February 21, 2012, 01:26:52 pm
Not sure how it works since law change, but used to be that unless it was registered as a campervan you are restricted to 60 mph speed limit.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on February 21, 2012, 01:35:31 pm
 I think I posted something up about it a while back but the DVLA no longer change the registration to "camper van" any more - think it now known as a "van with windows".

As far as I know it has never been necessary to change it unless you wanted to get the raised speed limit option but not sure how the new laws work with regard to that part now.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on February 21, 2012, 03:15:26 pm
What an odd classification. Does it actually need windows? Would MS Windows tm be acceptable?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on February 21, 2012, 03:40:45 pm
Not sure how it works since law change, but used to be that unless it was registered as a campervan you are restricted to 60 mph speed limit.

Ahhh id forgotten you have to stick to 60 in a van.  :o
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on February 21, 2012, 03:58:19 pm
Only when you are passing  speed cameras.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on February 21, 2012, 04:04:58 pm
Only when you are passing  speed cameras.

Of course...  :P
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on February 21, 2012, 04:17:09 pm
Not sure how it works since law change, but used to be that unless it was registered as a campervan you are restricted to 60 mph speed limit.

I think it gets even more confusing if you consider that 4 wheel drive is classed as dual purpose so you're not bound by the 'up to 2 tonnes maximum laden weight', syncro anybody? (and, that large luxury saloon cars actually have a GVF greater than a t5!).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on February 21, 2012, 04:19:01 pm
What an odd classification. Does it actually need windows?

As ever I have no idea - it is just what the DVLA started doing when people submitted their vans for reclassification  some time in the last year IIRC. The idea behind it was to differentiate between a converted van and a proper motorhome was the explanation I read but that could be forum rumour for all I know.

Edit - the SCIENCE behind "van with windows" (http://www.campervanlife.com/building/legal).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on February 21, 2012, 04:54:42 pm
Scrap all that. Adrian flux have given me 6 months to convert. Only criteria is bed, which can be rock and roller, cupboard, and cooker. Result. And cheap as chips.

Was with them before Sureterm and only changed due to needing 365 days of Euro cover.  Don't remember anything about a non rock and roller bed though, seems a strange requirement for a camper van.  I did have to get it registered as a Motorcaravan with the DVLA as a requirement of the policy - not sure what they would want now after the DVLA's change of rules.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on February 21, 2012, 05:03:05 pm
Scrap all that. Adrian flux have given me 6 months to convert. Only criteria is bed, which can be rock and roller, cupboard, and cooker. Result. And cheap as chips.

Was with them before Sureterm and only changed due to needing 365 days of Euro cover.  Don't remember anything about a non rock and roller bed though, seems a strange requirement for a camper van.  I did have to get it registered as a Motorcaravan with the DVLA as a requirement of the policy - not sure what they would want now after the DVLA's change of rules.

FYI if of use in the future. My policy with Adrian Flux comes with 365 Euro Cover.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on February 21, 2012, 05:07:00 pm
FYI if of use in the future. My policy with Adrian Flux comes with 365 Euro Cover.

Nice one, that's good to know in case the RnR bed thing is an issue with Sureterm at the next renewal.  I guess something must have changed with their underwriters as they couldn't do it 15 months ago.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Willriseley on February 22, 2012, 12:21:40 am
Just read through this and kind of scared now.

i have a MWB tranny that im putting a sleeping platform and under storage in, a sinkunit and cooker and wardrobe but also use the van for for work (no windows) do I need to do/change anything with DVLA or insurance?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on February 22, 2012, 01:05:36 am
Can't see any reason for the DVLA to be notified as you aren't seeking reclassification. Make sure that you inform your insurance though of anything that you do - chances are that it will make no difference to how much you pay but you don't want a policy being declared void because you haven't told them of something.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: TonyS on February 22, 2012, 08:55:45 am
 Hi all,

Just wanted to let you know my experience of converting a van and the associated hassles.

There is now 2 types of camper for insurance purpose. A motorcaravan - with bed water and gas and as said before a van with windows ( this is cheaper to insure than a std van) but nowhere near that of a motorcaravan.

To gain the MC status you must have it re-registered with the DVLA and for this you must have bed, storage, cooker (fixed gas), fridge and running water.  You also have to a conversion cert and gas and electricity safety certificates, along with photos of the conversion showing the number plate..

It was a big hassle and the DVLA refused mine the first time around even though it was a pro conversion costing £12k. The reason being the company I used was not on the registered converters list ( they are now)

My insurance would not cover me unless registered as motorcaravan and the ins on a t5 van was £1600 compared to the £350 Ian paying for the motorcaravan.  I'm 40 as well so should be really cheap for an old gaffer.

Hope that gives you an idea of the process.
Cheers T

P.s to answer your question, you prob do if you are having fixed gas. And also ins would be cheaper.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on February 22, 2012, 09:05:20 am
It was a big hassle and the DVLA refused mine the first time around even though it was a pro conversion costing £12k. The reason being the company I used was not on the registered converters list ( they are now)


Odd, ours was done by a non-registered converter, and we showed the DVLA some photos, and they changed it to motorcaravan no problem. Guess it varies from place to place, and who you see on the day. This was about 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: TonyS on February 22, 2012, 08:03:56 pm
 Yep 2nd time around was no probs and the person could not understand why I was back and it was not done in the first place.. Last year this was and I have been told they are getting very tight with this type of convert due to van prices suddenly increasing through the roof and insurance claims.  As ever.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on February 22, 2012, 09:48:46 pm
My new investment, ready to be converted!

(http://www.commercialtrader.co.uk/merlin-image-server/view/517e6aad-0fd7-4c9b-970b-2d1773cb7c25/600)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on February 23, 2012, 08:50:24 am
Nice Adam (or should I say white van man!) what engine?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on February 23, 2012, 08:54:17 am
Nice Adam (or should I say white van man!) what engine?

It's the 1.9. Only the 85 so it's booked in tomorrow at pendle performance for a remap. Bang it up to just shy of 130.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on February 23, 2012, 09:04:51 am
Sounds good. We have the 1.9 108 (107? 109? thereabouts anyway). Always intended getting a remap once it was out of warranty, but TBH it doesn't really need it.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on February 23, 2012, 09:26:47 am
Sounds good. We have the 1.9 108 (107? 109? thereabouts anyway). Always intended getting a remap once it was out of warranty, but TBH it doesn't really need it.

Well, i wouldn't be able to put up with the 40+ speed grunt on this 85bhp one. Also with the remap you can get something in the region of 15% more to the tank.
Picking the van up in an hour so quite excited.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on February 23, 2012, 10:13:13 am
For the 85 it's definitely a good idea.

Then time to get pimpin!

 http://www.vanstyle.co.uk/shop/accessories-20032009-c-2_1250_1318_3960.html (http://www.vanstyle.co.uk/shop/accessories-20032009-c-2_1250_1318_3960.html)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on February 23, 2012, 11:05:16 am
Then time to get pimpin!

 http://www.vanstyle.co.uk/shop/accessories-20032009-c-2_1250_1318_3960.html (http://www.vanstyle.co.uk/shop/accessories-20032009-c-2_1250_1318_3960.html)

 :dance1:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on February 24, 2012, 12:06:25 pm
First few mods today on the new van. Engine remap, from the standard 84bhp which is crap, to 137.8bhp, for better performance and economy. The drive now is completely different and i love it. Money well spent.

Second mod was the bonnet bra arrived. Not sure about it yet? But its staying on for now.  :)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7193/6925497711_e67347d723.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/6925497711/)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on February 24, 2012, 12:22:48 pm
I think if you get the silver trim for the grilles that will look very cool.

http://www.vanstyle.co.uk/shop/vanstyle-stainless-steel-radiator-grille-transporter-p-966.html (http://www.vanstyle.co.uk/shop/vanstyle-stainless-steel-radiator-grille-transporter-p-966.html)

http://www.vanstyle.co.uk/shop/transporter-stainless-steel-bumper-grille-2003-p-968.html (http://www.vanstyle.co.uk/shop/transporter-stainless-steel-bumper-grille-2003-p-968.html)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on February 24, 2012, 12:52:22 pm
I think if you get the silver trim for the grilles that will look very cool.

http://www.vanstyle.co.uk/shop/vanstyle-stainless-steel-radiator-grille-transporter-p-966.html (http://www.vanstyle.co.uk/shop/vanstyle-stainless-steel-radiator-grille-transporter-p-966.html)

http://www.vanstyle.co.uk/shop/transporter-stainless-steel-bumper-grille-2003-p-968.html (http://www.vanstyle.co.uk/shop/transporter-stainless-steel-bumper-grille-2003-p-968.html)

Ha, great minds. Already ordered last night. As well as chrome for the wing mirros.  :)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on February 24, 2012, 01:39:12 pm
The door handle covers look good too. Make sure you attach them well though, we lost one and you can only buy them as a set!

Also worth getting these

http://www.vanstyle.co.uk/shop/side-wind-deflectors-front-transporter-caravelle-p-973.html (http://www.vanstyle.co.uk/shop/side-wind-deflectors-front-transporter-caravelle-p-973.html)

useful if you want to open the windows a bit to let some air in when you are kipping and it's pissing down outside.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on February 24, 2012, 01:43:35 pm
The door handle covers look good too. Make sure you attach them well though, we lost one and you can only buy them as a set!

Also worth getting these

http://www.vanstyle.co.uk/shop/side-wind-deflectors-front-transporter-caravelle-p-973.html (http://www.vanstyle.co.uk/shop/side-wind-deflectors-front-transporter-caravelle-p-973.html)

useful if you want to open the windows a bit to let some air in when you are kipping and it's pissing down outside.

Are you trying to bankrupt me Chris!  :'(
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on February 24, 2012, 01:55:50 pm
Just spending money vicariously! :)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duma on February 27, 2012, 11:21:59 pm
Those deflectors are really worth it, keeps the rain out and makes it less obvious the window's open. Can't say the same about the bonnet bra, can someone explain the point of these?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: north_country_boy on February 27, 2012, 11:37:48 pm
Those deflectors are really worth it, keeps the rain out and makes it less obvious the window's open. Can't say the same about the bonnet bra, can someone explain the point of these?

I'd second that.

Wind deflectors = functional, money well spent
Bonnet bra, fake chrome trashy tat trims = perfect way to make you look like a drug dealer in Bradford/gypsy
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: grumpycrumpy on February 28, 2012, 04:22:14 pm
Those deflectors are really worth it, keeps the rain out and makes it less obvious the window's open. Can't say the same about the bonnet bra, can someone explain the point of these?

Stops your bonnet from sagging ......
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on February 28, 2012, 04:24:49 pm
Can't say the same about the bonnet bra, can someone explain the point of these?

To prevent stone chips.

With regards to the 'pimping' of vans, at times I wished my Caddy looked a lot more like any other as it just screamed "rob me".
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Willriseley on February 28, 2012, 09:25:13 pm
Currently turning my tranny into  mobile apartment for me and the mrs to live in for a few months while climbing, trying to find lights which are cheap/bright and small.

I have found these but anyone have ideas? Need to be LED and kinda bright

http://www.sourcingmap.com/12v-light-leds-car-roof-ceiling-interior-wired-lamp-white-p-32800.html (http://www.sourcingmap.com/12v-light-leds-car-roof-ceiling-interior-wired-lamp-white-p-32800.html)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ChrisC on February 29, 2012, 08:40:37 am
IKEA do some - Dioder I think they were called, but they are quite a white light, better with a 12v dimer switch. 

With LED lights in general then be careful with the voltages - when your engine is running then your batteries will be charging with a voltage of ~14v, which may well damage your LED lights.  You can fit a regulator in the circuit to limit the voltage to 12.



Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: tomtom on February 29, 2012, 09:25:24 am
IKEA do some - Dioder I think they were called, but they are quite a white light, better with a 12v dimer switch. 

Speaking of IKEA, I'm not 100% what a rock and roller bed is, but have seen them mentioned here a few times and I believe Ikea have somethign like this at the moment - I got one for MrsTT's spare room - as it takes an old futon mattress.. Its like the sofa shape of a futon, and with one pull the bottom kind of pulls out on wheels and it becomes a bed.. it was £60 odd...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on February 29, 2012, 09:39:09 am
Totally different thing tt. Rock and roller beds are way smaller that the sleeper couch type things you are talking about, and don't actually have any rollers in them at all.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: tomtom on February 29, 2012, 09:50:38 am
Totally different thing tt. Rock and roller beds are way smaller that the sleeper couch type things you are talking about, and don't actually have any rollers in them at all.

oops.. and back around :)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ben on February 29, 2012, 11:23:33 am
speaking of Ikea, completely unrelated to lights but their kitchen wall units are frequently used for DIY T5 conversions for side furniture. Apparently two of their units fit perfectly between the drivers seat and wheel arch..   plus you can then pick your door finishes!   don't think i'm gonna do this however as it requires clear floor space for the doors to swing open and invariably in a van that isn't the case!

Will - have a search on here  http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/ (http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/) for led lighting suggestions..
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on February 29, 2012, 11:47:35 am
Wehave some excellent stalk mounted LED units in our van, but not sure what make they are as they were put in as part of the conversion. Will see if there is any brand name on them.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: horn on February 29, 2012, 01:02:57 pm
I've got a reel of this soon to go up in the van:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LTW02-Warm-White-5M-3528-SMD-Light-Strip-300leds-waterproof-DC-12V-Halloween-DI-/280743946621?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Lighting_Lamps_Lighting_SM&hash=item415da4a97d#ht_5666wt_979 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LTW02-Warm-White-5M-3528-SMD-Light-Strip-300leds-waterproof-DC-12V-Halloween-DI-/280743946621?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Lighting_Lamps_Lighting_SM&hash=item415da4a97d#ht_5666wt_979)

along with something like a bit like this for a directional light:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spotlight-Spot-Light-LED-SMD-Wall-Lamp-IP65-Outdoor-3W-/270785505620?pt=UK_Garden_Lighting&var=&hash=item84b82837e3#ht_2742wt_1102 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spotlight-Spot-Light-LED-SMD-Wall-Lamp-IP65-Outdoor-3W-/270785505620?pt=UK_Garden_Lighting&var=&hash=item84b82837e3#ht_2742wt_1102)

Strip light is awesome, i hung it all around the edge of the roof and it gives a lovely warm even light. you can get loads of different colours, even a colour changing one if you want to transform into a rave bus! Spotlight is maybe too bright though!

Got to admit I hadn't thought of the voltage peak when the engine runs, although tbh I don't think I'd ever need to use the lights in the back while the engine is running.

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: philo on March 09, 2012, 11:21:13 pm
christ, all you need is a disco ball and you have a full on party!  8)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on May 31, 2012, 06:00:28 pm
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/428465_10151775115455076_1809637250_n.jpg)

Van pimping continues.

New alloys today. I am getting rubbing when cornering and on full lock so might have to shave some off my arches or get smaller tyres. They came with alloys so thought id try them first.

Also had the engine remap to 138bhp.
I have sound proofed/insulated inside just need the windows fitting then i can carpet it.

 ;D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duncan Disorderly on July 01, 2012, 12:29:39 pm
This thread is great and having pretty much read the whole thing over the past few days I've got a much better idea of what's going on but I'm still not 100% sure of where to go with this camper business... So thought I'd see what the UKB oracle has to say....

Basically I've got a budget of about £10K and my requirements are van with decent mpg (will be the only vehicle and the missus mum's in Cornwall so needs to not be too thirsty),windows, pop roof to put the 2 kids in, rock and roll bed with seatbelts (preferably crash tested) and some storage and cooking space (not necessarily built in, could live with a couple of gas rings on a bolted in unit for instance)... A fridge would also be nice as would lights/ electrics but these could be foregone or added at a later date (if this is physically possible).

I've been racking my brains and have a shortlist of 4 vans each with pros and cons, please feel free to put me right if I'm wildly out on any of these.

Merc Vito: Pros: Good size, decent MPG. Cons: Rust buckets, reasonably expensive.

Mazda Bongo: Good size, cheaper to buy, already have pop roof, can get already converted one within budget, Jap Engine. Cons: Old, Automatic, Shit MPG (although LPG is an option - anyone got experience of this?), Mileage is debatable on many.

VW T4 (2000-2002?): Cheaper than a T5, decent MPG, good conversion community, can get fully converted within budget (possibly), hold their value (although these do seem to be a bit cheaper since the london emissions stuff's come into force - could be coincidence tho). Cons: Old(er), might not be able to visit London (might actually be a pro that;-).

VW T5 1.9 (2004-2006?): Decent MPG, good conversion community, hold their value, loads around so parts etc. in good supply. Cons: Expensive, every fucker has one (this is a sticking point with the missus), seem to continually swallow cash (subjective I know but most people I know have had to shell out for ECU upgrades/replacements, engine rebuilds, timing belts, waterpumps etc.).
 
There's also the Vivaro's and Transits but these have been vetoed by the missus as being too "van like"....

So I know from that where I want to go (T5 I think :-\) but not sure budget will allow it so wanted to get an idea on what the smart people here think of the shortlist  :smart:

Is it realistic to think that if I spend £4-6K on a panel van that I'll be able to get what I'm looking for within budget without ending up with a lemon or a half finished job?

Where do you all recomend starting the search once decided (I've been looking hard the last few week so have a good idea but any no go's would be appreciated). Already got a handle on insurance etc. but anything else that anyone thinks I need to think about would be appreciated....

Cheers guys.

:D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on July 01, 2012, 12:41:36 pm
I've been looking again recently with future plans in mind and I've been quite shocked by the price of T4s and 5s. They seem to have gone through the roof (especially if I was going to look for the 2.5 Tdi again, which was awesome).

Looking online (ebay) , I've seen companies offering full fit-outs for (or starting at) 5K ish. With that in mind, if you can buy a van for 4-6 then you should be within budget. Doing it yourself I'd say that'd certainly be the case (I found it was time that I underestimated on, even for the caddy),  it'd be the base van that would appear to be the limiting factor. I've seen people scrimp on this and invest a lot of work into something that has then become a money pit.

Although Bongos are laughed at a bit, they look like a reasonably good off the shelf options but I remember that they seemed a lot smaller inside than a t4.

I know you've said they're too van like but Vivaros\Traffics have companies that do really good conversions and you'd get the van and converison for your budget. They seemed like a popular choice amongst Spanish climbers that we met travelling. The inside space did seem a little low though?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: highrepute on July 01, 2012, 12:56:12 pm
Cons: Expensive, every fucker has one

At first we were against getting a transporter because everyone has one. But this turned out to mean that the insurance would be loads cheaper (a grand for us) which would add up quickly over the years. Making the initial outlay worth it in the long run. I'd recommend give Adrian Flux a call to see what they'd be able to offer you before you buy.

rock and roll bed with seatbelts (preferably crash tested)

We got a bed from JDS metaltech - they are crash tested - have seatbelts. Service was really good and the bed seems very good too. Apparently there is a place next door to them who do full conversions.

decent mpg

we can get 39mpg out of the t4.

You'll save loads doing most of the conversion yourself but I'd agree with Paul about the time thing. Everything takes way longer than expected but it's also way more satisfying.

Got ours through vantrader.co.uk
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Nibile on July 01, 2012, 12:56:36 pm
Sold my good old van today.
A bit sad but it was due.
End of a 10 years adventure.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duncan Disorderly on July 01, 2012, 01:02:05 pm
Hi Paul, thanks for the knowledge. I'm erring towards a semi-self conversion (i.e. getting the big stuff done by pros and doing the panelling etc. myself)

The space inside a bongo isn't really an issue (it'll be mainly short trips and summers in France so an awning should give us teh extra spece we'd need), actually as it'd be parked on the street the size is probably a plus.. The MPG is though..

I've got a mate with a Vivaro and the missus just aint having em unfortunately (even though he swears his is better to drive than a T5).

Have you got a link for the fitters just for refrence...

Cheers,

:D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duncan Disorderly on July 01, 2012, 01:09:16 pm
We got a bed from JDS metaltech - they are crash tested - have seatbelts. Service was really good and the bed seems very good too. Apparently there is a place next door to them who do full conversions.

Are these the £620 3/4 ones - seem well reasonable if so...

What's the year and mileage on you T4? Do you reckon it's worth going down this route rather than the T5?

I actually saw somewhere that the T5 engine will do around 450K while the T4 will do summat in the region of 600K... Is this bollocks?

So many questions......

:D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duncan Disorderly on July 01, 2012, 01:27:02 pm
http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/makemodel/make/volkswagen/model/transporter/price/3000/6999/mileage/50000/124999/wheelbasetype/swb/wheelbasetype/unspecified/stock-item-id/8a6f02ed383958ec01383b39a3da0667/advert (http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/makemodel/make/volkswagen/model/transporter/price/3000/6999/mileage/50000/124999/wheelbasetype/swb/wheelbasetype/unspecified/stock-item-id/8a6f02ed383958ec01383b39a3da0667/advert)

This has got to be dodgy right?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on July 01, 2012, 01:29:40 pm
I used JDS metaltech to weld up a frame to go inside the Caddy. Good blokes.

Their beds are bit different to the standard design and (if I remember correctly), don't have the rear facing lip which they were suggesting gave more interior space when the bed was a bench. For me that isn't a plus as I used that bit of storage to cram full of crap when we were living in ours for 6 months (I could just fit a Moon Saturn across the back).

As pete said; the unit nearby does full conversions and his work was really really smart (I stuck my nose in whilst they were welding my frame) but I've got no idea on prices. Similarily, for foam the guy JDS use was very helpful and cheap.

This was the Vivaro/Traffic conversion listing I was on about:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Vivaro-VW-Transporter-Camper-Conversions-/330752920335?pt=UK_Campers_Caravans_Motorhomes&hash=item4d02690b0f (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Vivaro-VW-Transporter-Camper-Conversions-/330752920335?pt=UK_Campers_Caravans_Motorhomes&hash=item4d02690b0f)

The MPG concerns me with Bongos too, our T4 (2.5 Tdi Ex AA) returned ridiculously good MPG, far outperforming our 1.9 Tdi Caddy that we got soon after (although North Contry Boy seems to be able to get better MPG than I ever could). With those in mind, and a current vehicle that is averaging 64 MPG, I can see filling up being painful.

Yes, that looks a little suspect.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: highrepute on July 01, 2012, 01:36:01 pm
Are these the £620 3/4 ones - seem well reasonable if so...

That's the ones. We didn't get the mattress. Just bought some foam from a shop on abbeydale road ~£50, JDS gave us the dimensions we'd need (the blokes there are very friendly and helpful), and we made some covers ourselves.

The bed is very solid, they fit it for free and properly bolt right through the floor through large metal plates (which is how the rear seats we removed were fitted so assuming that's the best/safest way.

What's the year and mileage on you T4? Do you reckon it's worth going down this route rather than the T5?

I actually saw somewhere that the T5 engine will do around 450K while the T4 will do summat in the region of 600K... Is this bollocks?

We went t4 because it was all we could afford. I'm not an expert but I've also heard loads of stuff about the t4 engine being more reliable and doing more miles etc. Apparently modern diesel engines are too complex to rack up the number of miles that we old ones did. Could all be hearsay for all I know.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on July 01, 2012, 05:00:16 pm
We went t4 because it was all we could afford. I'm not an expert but I've also heard loads of stuff about the t4 engine being more reliable and doing more miles etc. Apparently modern diesel engines are too complex to rack up the number of miles that we old ones did. Could all be hearsay for all I know.

While the T4 engine is a lot more basic as with most things if it is looked after right and serviced regularly then I suspect that most of the issues are moot between the two - my T5 has got something like 173000 on it now and as long as it is looked after then I see no problem with it doing that again.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on August 06, 2012, 03:51:24 pm
Ok, so I'm thinking of getting a camper again!

It's probably mainly going to be used in Europe so I'm actually considering getting a left hand drive version. Also, the price of unmodified T4s is actually pretty decent in the Netherlands (where my lass lives) so we're thinking of looking for one out there.

A few questions:

1. Is it easy enough to convert a dual-cab?  Can the partition be ripped out fairly easily?
2. What is the first thing to "go" on old T4s?  A lot of them are fairly high mileage (which doesn't scare me too much) but is it the engines, or chassis, or electrics? I don't mind the upkeep of an older van, unless it seems like it's going to become ludicrously expensive...

Is there anything extra to consider if buying from overseas?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 06, 2012, 04:10:19 pm
Is there anything extra to consider if buying from overseas?

Check for hidden compartments full of class As!

Bulkheads are generally easily removed. And check out taxation, insurance etc if you are considering using in UK for extended beriods.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on August 07, 2012, 07:46:03 am
I think that the bulkhead requires drilling out of spot welds - depends on how mechanical you are as to whether this is an issue or not. There is also the possibility of the air bag going off whilst doing this if it is not disconnected but this is all from memory.

From what I have seen it is the rear arches that are the weak point on the T4 - they attract the tin worm rather badly.

Having said all that I would ask on the T4 forum - you are more likely to get answers that actually have a basis in experience rather than what I remember reading of other peoples disasters posts on said forum.  ;)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duncan Disorderly on August 08, 2012, 12:23:59 pm
Anyone experienced getting the bulkhead out of a T5?

Just picked up my bus yesterday and pretty sure that I'll need to angle grind out the bulkhead fixing plate (bulkhead just screws out) but don't wanna wreck the thing I've just paid more money than anything other than my house for!

What are people's thoughts on remapping too? Spoke to the guy that's doing my roof and he told me all kinds of horror stories of folk that did it wrong with numpties....

So psyched to get this thing up and running now - doubt I'll be climbing much the next few weeks :-\

:D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 08, 2012, 12:33:41 pm
What engine has it got?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duncan Disorderly on August 08, 2012, 01:55:05 pm
1.9 but it's the 84bhp version...

Seems to pull ok for the minute but dunno how it will once it's loaded, would like to get the extra MPG more than anything else....

:D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 08, 2012, 01:57:35 pm
Depends how you find driving - if it's a but sluggish and you take it to a reputable person, the it should be fine. Ours is the 108(ish?) BHP and I've never really felt the need to get anything done - does 85ish without breathing hard (not that i would ever consider travelling at such speeds).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on August 08, 2012, 02:06:16 pm
What are people's thoughts on remapping too? Spoke to the guy that's doing my roof and he told me all kinds of horror stories of folk that did it wrong with numpties....

Pendle Performance was the name I was trying to think of in the pub last night - the only people I would trust to do a remap on pROJECT mAYHEM if I ever find the funds to get it done. 
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duncan Disorderly on August 08, 2012, 02:08:32 pm
I drove it back from Leeds yesterday and had to do a double take an slow up when I was cruising at nearly 90... (honest officer I had no idea  :-[)

Suppose the best thing to do is keep a bit of budget in reserve and use it if necessary...

Already booked it in for fitting of Windows, M1 tested R&R bed and Austop roof (not as good as Reimo I know but a good price and they seem like nice guys).... Got all the carpet, panels and insulation, just need to buy the floor ply and vinyl and get it all fitted over the next 2 weeks before we take our first trip in it....  :o

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: andy_e on August 08, 2012, 02:10:10 pm
Already booked it in for fitting of Windows

Slack---line will be disappointed.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duncan Disorderly on August 08, 2012, 02:24:42 pm
Just seen the solution to all my seating problems

http://www.kiravans.co.uk/t5-double-seat-swivel.html (http://www.kiravans.co.uk/t5-double-seat-swivel.html)

Been rracking my brains for months how to do 5 people in a van with a 3/4 rock and roller....

YYFY!!!!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on August 12, 2012, 09:06:48 pm
Folks,

I need some advice!

I had a look at this van today:
T4 for £3400 (http://auto.marktplaats.nl/volkswagen/581920662-vw-transporter-t4-2-5-tdi-volkswagen-dubbele-cabine-airco.html?return=eJw1jV0KgzAQBu8i6KMm0RYbkaI3CZqiGM2SXekfvXs3tL59k5klRkv9nrVoUCtV6wStCcPUTESgi2LxYLd8NWEhcMYQ5psrfkkOE1wfrpXZiC35tOxkWvaw8xA8HFN3iU%2FjzCsqOBTxeM2MPd5GPC7pr9fYbftqwzzE%2BhEDpS6nWLknU1Wf66pkWu5MVKXqpAQFsyH4QDaw8Rh%2FVRnA3ooMPNLgR9tKIeu%2BT5rPF42OSeg%3D&df=1&fta=eNo1kUlOxDAQRe9iiV57ioeyesMBuEKrPAQi0h0rTkMAcXdcAXbPvzw8fSNY%2BGrggN3X%2BfKGc2OhgVAc2D6fxSm387aACPUOPMwCvAh5glArLTf4nGpoY260Y%2BvRtcLtfi3rlMK8g5DSDyLMH6CdcVqF13fY9IPk24q3Vpd1K2tY2gTyVOv9zE91aVtacjkLLtzjI6loYBWfCwtTf6OBAjblw1HaLq1idDZHuUuZcMw4dCh64CoTKEzxSKQbUB5gYqRRztwU%2BQsCYwdnRfGqA47GekOjWDCXDpYuPhIcHacLo%2FNl8B18ippOCSxWGEqydVYn2uNdTOPfcU3gY4yJRnng1lDiuLWWnsjSlcgpGeUoyDAVEbkgn%2BJQISVRGUUaomuNJK9xcN4d8llms%2F%2B38fuFwLalYm6Xudyet5f%2FBj2wK%2B4XKrX3mEFSl8DwnYWnP3xjAYHD1%2Ff3D5p7o5U%3D&fta_ind=10&fs=1)

We're quite keen on having a left-hand drive as we'll be spending most of our time on the continent and, being a Dutch registered car the insurance looks cheaper.

It's got no rust (checked the wheel arches etc.) and the engine runs fine.

Obviously it's "sold as seen" since it's a private sale. Just trying to decide if it's a good deal for the age mileage.

It's got A/C, and a lifting tailgate which are both bonuses!

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on August 15, 2012, 03:27:27 pm
have you bought it?

Does anyone on here run a Bongo? I know they're far from a T4/5 but I can see them being reasonably easy to find and then move on swiftly after a trip. My main concern (other than the rarity of manuals and my lack of knowledge surrounding the mazdas in general) is what appears to be a rather small amount of storage for what would ultimately be a large amount of gear (no pad)?

I reckon if our gear hadn't been out of sight in the t4, we'd have had a fair few more attempted break-ins than we suffered!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 15, 2012, 03:48:49 pm
Doesn't FBSF have (had) one?

I think key issue is lack of economy due to them mostly being automatics and 4WD. We thought about one for a while, but dismissed it due to the above reasons and thought they might be a bit poky for my large frame. Obviously that may not be an issue for everyone though.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on August 15, 2012, 03:55:52 pm
have you bought it?


Nah, got cold feet as the Lass thought the sellers were a bit shifty. (Lost in translation)

Been offered a Hiace for £1500 from people I know, decent runner. Considering it as a testing ground for my home build skills and enthusiasm before taking the plunge with something better in future...

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on August 15, 2012, 03:57:37 pm
This wouldn't be a long term purchase so the fuel economy isn't too much of a concern. Ideally I'd look for a 2wd manual whilst also searching for some rocking horse shit.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: erm, sam on August 15, 2012, 04:02:55 pm
Galpinos is a bongoer. I'm sure he will be along shortly to ladle love all over the subject.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: andy_e on August 15, 2012, 04:06:07 pm
Uptowngirl is also a Bongoman. But he never frequents these places any more.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 15, 2012, 04:17:23 pm
Been offered a Hiace for £1500 from people I know, decent runner.

Dogden has one and has had very little hassle with it, apart from it being like a sled in snow(its a RWD), but I think snow tyres helped a lot. Drop him a line if you want opinions.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on August 15, 2012, 04:18:30 pm
Galpinos is a bongoer. I'm sure he will be along shortly to ladle love all over the subject.

As if by magic........

My Bongo is no T5 California but:

We've got a 4WD (handy in Scottish winters, your natural habitat) Auto with a full conversion. We (the wife and I) really like it. Dream to drive, massive roof space when up (can be tricky in high winds) and the full conversion makes life really easy. You're right that there's not masses of storage. Depending on the converter, this varies quite dramatically and I've been looking into re-arranging the inside of ours to maximise it. We generally don't camp/park in scally high crime areas though so it's not been an issue. Fuel economy is poor but we don't do enough miles for that to really hit us. Everything is electric, roof, blinds, etc which is really cool until it goes wrong. It goes mean I can drive along making the blinds go up and down on the back winds though, swings and roundabouts. They are slightly narrower than a T4 so as you're a bit of a porker, this may be an issue. My svelte 14st slide in easily. Thankfully the missus is a more sensible size.

Parts have been really easy to get hold of and servicing is pretty cheap. I've no idea your side of the peak but there's a man in Bury who I take it to who's mint.

The final word is that my T4 owning mate prefers my Bongo, but can't get his windsurf kit in. My T5 owning mate prefers his wagon.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on August 15, 2012, 04:40:11 pm
Thanks, its been the off the shelf variety conversions I've seen thus far which mainly consist of a unit that covers all your cooking needs but nothing else. I can remember when we travelled our van started fairly empty and by the end we needed to move rubbish from front to back all the time (including various bottles of Scotch).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on August 15, 2012, 05:34:58 pm
We can generally store food and stuff in the cupboards but clothes are in a kit bag that goes in the roof when parked up but on the floor during transit. Not ideal if you're worried about getting broken into.

In the better conversions, the tall cupboard in the back corner is storage in the top half and gas bottle in the bottom. There should be storage under the sink and under the bed. The little long thin top cupboard can't fit much in but holds spices, tea, pasta rice etc.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on September 17, 2012, 01:59:29 pm
I have a VAN!   :dance1:

The lass and I picked up a scruffy T4 double-cab from the Netherlands on Saturday so let the DIY project begin :-)

It's a 1998 T4 2.5TDI, Dark Green - £2650 with 161000 mainly motorway miles. Mainly used a family transport so quite good interior condition!

Have any of you got any of the books/guides to converting a T4?  If so, do you want to lend/sell me one, or even just suggest which ones are best?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on September 17, 2012, 02:10:56 pm
join the t4 forum and have a nose around. That seems like a darn good deal for a 2.d TDI, I haven't been able to find anything close to that in the UK, any problems insuring it?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on September 17, 2012, 02:22:28 pm
The lass got it insured in the NL for £770 but tax is a killer €120/month unless we get it "fully" converted but means it has to be at least 180cm inside, therefore a pop-top required.

Otherwise I'll be importing it to the UK to benefit from cheap tax. (unless the insurance is exorbitant!)

I'll post up some pics from time to time.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on September 17, 2012, 02:29:59 pm
Sounds like a long term commitment! As Paul says T4Forums has loads of good advice. You need to decide what you want to use it for first? Ever putting bikes inside etc.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on September 17, 2012, 02:43:40 pm
True!  We'll be living together in Cham anyway so it doesn't make a huge amount of difference...

We think we want a box-bed with storage space rather than a R&R style - we're not likely to be taking passengers. Cooker, possibly sink, space for a coolbox. Insulate/line etc. speakers, electrics, cupboards along the side.

Trying to decide if we want to get swivel chairs or build a small bench behind them (more storage + extra seats, but does limit space.

We'll probably just get a bike rack for it and a f*uck off huge chain to lock them to something immovable (the axle?) when parked up. Might attempt some clever under-cupboard (or bed) storage space for skis and boards.

First thing is, take it home and strip it (bench rear seats and fiberglass partition), thorough check, fix minor rust patches and stone chips. It's going to be fun :-)
 
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on September 17, 2012, 03:41:01 pm
have a look at Smuff's half fixed half foldout bed system I suggested the design of if you can; that way you will have place to sit and set it up for sleeping easily. And you will have under bed ski storage too. I would get a swivel for seats rahter than lose space. And personally would not bother with a sink unless it is critical for getting it reclassified; the space taken up is not worth it; better to go for a plastic bowl and heat up water on a gas burner.

We have a looong cable (3 m) with double loops which we loop through the towbar and then chain to the bikes with a massive padlock.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duncan Disorderly on October 09, 2012, 01:27:24 pm
Anyone got any experience of fitting Smev dual sink hob combo things?

Thinking I might be best getting a pro to do it rather than gassing the whole family..... :whistle:

Any recomendations for fitters and aproximate prices would be great!

:DS
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 09, 2012, 02:11:31 pm
We have one, but didn't fit it, it's very good.

We got our conversion done by John Cassidy / Blue Juice Conversions in Cumbernauld.

http://www.vwt4conversions.com/ (http://www.vwt4conversions.com/)

He's a good guy and does good work, but only does it part time, so doesn't really do quick turnarounds.

I noticed the other day there is now a converter in Glasgow too, can't recall name, but google should throw it up.

Otherwise I think the only other option is Jerba in N. Berwick (they did our roof). Also does very good work, but again you might have to join the back of a waiting list.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on October 09, 2012, 08:17:02 pm
I put my first side window in today. Scaaaaary!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8171/8071695792_631b7c260f.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/8071695792/)
photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/8071695792/#) by Adam Lincoln (http://www.flickr.com/people/adamlincoln/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8322/8071700731_5c806aed61.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/8071700731/)
photo4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/8071700731/#) by Adam Lincoln (http://www.flickr.com/people/adamlincoln/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8458/8071701081_db7c656f96.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/8071701081/)
photo2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/8071701081/#) by Adam Lincoln (http://www.flickr.com/people/adamlincoln/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8452/8071701481_cf0ce31b1b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/8071701481/)
photo1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/8071701481/#) by Adam Lincoln (http://www.flickr.com/people/adamlincoln/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8169/8071696274_ba44f82186.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/8071696274/)
photo copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamlincoln/8071696274/#) by Adam Lincoln (http://www.flickr.com/people/adamlincoln/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 10, 2012, 07:21:21 am
Good skills doing it yourself Adam - I am no stranger to weird and wonderful projects but even I drew the line at chopping a hole in the side of my van...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on October 10, 2012, 09:06:12 am
If anyone's interested - here's the progress on our van:

https://picasaweb.google.com/110438250908474202935/VanConversion?authkey=Gv1sRgCIXHrbLdlKyq4gE

Should hopefully be sorting the electrics and getting it insulated this weekend!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on October 10, 2012, 09:19:56 am
Good skills doing it yourself Adam - I am no stranger to weird and wonderful projects but even I drew the line at chopping a hole in the side of my van...

Thats why i did the opening door first  ;) Mistakes could be fixed by a trip to scrap yard!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on October 10, 2012, 09:41:45 am
Adam, have you got any leftovers from your van? insulation, ply etc? Or did you get the interior done professionally?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on October 10, 2012, 10:01:19 am
Adam, have you got any leftovers from your van? insulation, ply etc? Or did you get the interior done professionally?

I may have some recycled bottle wool, (non itchy), and some radiator foil, going spare, but going to be finishing the insulation and lining over next few weeks so won't know yet i am afraid.

I have sound deadened all my panels with flash banding first, so there are no rattles and the van, feels, and sounds more solid. Oh and music sounds amazing  ;) Then i put the recycled bottle wool, everywhere! Stuffed into all nooks and crannies. Then the radiator foil over the top. Then Ply lined, then carpeted.

Cost wise, if it helps. Ive probably spent £100 on flash banding, maybe more. £45 on wool insulation. £330 on the foil. Then the ply. As for carpeting i went for megavan stuff. All metal work in black, and all panels in barley. Doing it this way was more expensive, sop cost about £145 for carpet.

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on October 10, 2012, 10:03:47 am
ps, if you need any help with stuff, drop me an email and ill be more than willing to answer any questions.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duncan Disorderly on October 10, 2012, 10:54:25 am
Adam, have you got any leftovers from your van? insulation, ply etc? Or did you get the interior done professionally?
What do you need? I've still got a load of the duvet material that I used on mine (first layer of insulation was foil backed sticky neoprene shizz then put on a layer of the duvet stuff then stuffed the nooks etc..). There's about half a roll cluttering my cellar which I'll probably not use. PM me if it'd be any use - I'm getting units done in the next couple of weeks so might use a bit in these but there should be most of it still left.

I did what Adam did, but in the metalwork's anthracite and the panels are charcoal... Might have some anthracite carpet left too thinking about it....

:D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on October 10, 2012, 11:22:38 am
Where are you based Dunc?  I'm probably going to start insulating this weekend so I guess I'd have to pick it up in person? I'm in Glasgow.

Adam, where did you get the foil insulation?  £325 sounds quite a lot!  Most people seem to do a layer on the walls, then recycled bottles, then another layer. What's the purpose of the layer next to the outer panels? Is it to prevent moisture build up between the insulation and the bodywork?

If it's just to act as a vapour barrier, then surely one layer is enough (and a lot cheaper ;-)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on October 10, 2012, 11:28:01 am
Where are you based Dunc?  I'm probably going to start insulating this weekend so I guess I'd have to pick it up in person? I'm in Glasgow.

Adam, where did you get the foil insulation?  £325 sounds quite a lot!  Most people seem to do a layer on the walls, then recycled bottles, then another layer. What's the purpose of the layer next to the outer panels? Is it to prevent moisture build up between the insulation and the bodywork?

If it's just to act as a vapour barrier, then surely one layer is enough (and a lot cheaper ;-)

Oops, typo! Meant £35! Only one layers of foil. Flash banding first on metal. Then wool. Then foil over top. Seems to be the standard way for insulation. As for floor and roof. Layer of flash band, then foil over the top is all i am going to do.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on October 10, 2012, 11:42:10 am
 :thumbsup:

That makes more sense!  My van already has square patches glued to a lot of panels - guessing it might  be sound deadening.

Think I'll just swing by the place I hate (B&Q) and get some recycled bottle stuff and the foil bubble wrap and have at it!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on October 10, 2012, 11:45:38 am
:thumbsup:

That makes more sense!  My van already has square patches glued to a lot of panels - guessing it might  be sound deadening.

Think I'll just swing by the place I hate (B&Q) and get some recycled bottle stuff and the foil bubble wrap and have at it!

Yeah mind had the sound deadening, but i added loads more.

The wool is about £15 a bag. 3 will more than suffice.

The foil is £7 a roll i think. Get as wide as possible, make it easier than trying to do loads of strips.

Make sure you have a sharp stanley ready.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duncan Disorderly on October 10, 2012, 11:55:17 am
Where are you based Dunc?  I'm probably going to start insulating this weekend so I guess I'd have to pick it up in person? I'm in Glasgow.


Based in Sheff but Fiend's round my house right now so can give it to him to bring up if you want it....

:D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on October 10, 2012, 12:45:26 pm
That would be good - will he give me a punch in the face when I go to collect it though?

 :boxing:

Turns out I'm going offshore for 2 or 3 weeks from Friday so won't be doing any work on the van!

(so, Adam, if you do end up with leftovers I could take it of your hands for a few beer tokens.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duncan Disorderly on October 10, 2012, 12:48:10 pm
It's in his car now, he says if you text him he'll pop it round....

He promises not to punch you  :great:

:D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 12, 2012, 09:58:01 am
We have one, but didn't fit it, it's very good.

We got our conversion done by John Cassidy / Blue Juice Conversions in Cumbernauld.

http://www.vwt4conversions.com/ (http://www.vwt4conversions.com/)

He's a good guy and does good work, but only does it part time, so doesn't really do quick turnarounds.

I noticed the other day there is now a converter in Glasgow too, can't recall name, but google should throw it up.

Otherwise I think the only other option is Jerba in N. Berwick (they did our roof). Also does very good work, but again you might have to join the back of a waiting list.

Assuming this information was actually of use to you, I just heard Jon Cassidy is out of action with a broken hip and femur after a MTB wipeout, so waiting list with him is likely to be even longer.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duncan Disorderly on October 12, 2012, 12:02:09 pm
Hi Chris,

Sorry for not replying - thanks for the info.

As I'm Sheff based I think that would be a bit of a trek anyway... Seems that it's tricky to get hold of anyone to do this as I've been on the Gas Safe site and no one seems to want the job!! Thinking a meter of hose and a couple of jubileee clips might be the way forward for my impending trip to Font. As long as I turn off me regulator everytime we should be ok :-\.

Might post a few pics up when I get a minute as it's begining to look pretty good ;D

:D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 12, 2012, 12:11:16 pm
True, probably a bit far.

Locally to you I've heard good things about Vamoose?

http://www.vamoosecamperconversions.co.uk/ (http://www.vamoosecamperconversions.co.uk/)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duncan Disorderly on October 12, 2012, 01:52:32 pm
Yea might try them again... Spoke to Simon about doing my roof but ended up going to Austops as they were a bit cheaper and could do the job when I needed it done... He's a hard man  to get hold of tho...

:D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 12, 2012, 03:42:23 pm
Yeah, seems like a growth industry!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on October 12, 2012, 04:49:08 pm
We have one, but didn't fit it, it's very good.

We got our conversion done by John Cassidy / Blue Juice Conversions in Cumbernauld.

http://www.vwt4conversions.com/ (http://www.vwt4conversions.com/)

He's a good guy and does good work, but only does it part time, so doesn't really do quick turnarounds.

I noticed the other day there is now a converter in Glasgow too, can't recall name, but google should throw it up.

Otherwise I think the only other option is Jerba in N. Berwick (they did our roof). Also does very good work, but again you might have to join the back of a waiting list.

Assuming this information was actually of use to you, I just heard Jon Cassidy is out of action with a broken hip and femur after a MTB wipeout, so waiting list with him is likely to be even longer.

AV campers just down the road are just as good and actually get back to you when they say they will get back to you. Broken leg or no broken leg, its not hard to pick up the phone.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 13, 2012, 10:02:46 pm
Are AV the Weegie ones?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on October 13, 2012, 10:38:39 pm
Are AV the Weegie ones?

kirkliston'ish.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duncan Disorderly on October 18, 2012, 04:53:54 pm
So... I'm making some real progress with me T5 and it's time to tackel the electrics...

Basically I need:

1. leisure battery
2. Some 12V Sockets
3. Inverter with 240V socket
4. Compressor fridge
5. Ikea Dioder lights
6. Water pump
7. Gas ingnition (integrated with the Smev unit I have)

I've got pretty much everything I need apart from the cables, some of the fuses and a few connectors but just thought before I start that I'd run my wiring by the UKB massive to see if there's any glaring omissions that will result in me frying meself...

(http://www.lateral-media.co.uk/public/wiringdiagram2.jpg)

Any thoughts would be much appreciated....

:D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on October 18, 2012, 04:59:50 pm
Might have to borrow a copy of that   :guilty:  - let me know if it works.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: butters on October 18, 2012, 05:19:55 pm
Looks fine to me at first glance. 
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 18, 2012, 08:30:04 pm
You do know running anything with even moderately high power needs (ie more than a laptop, eg) kettles and toasters ) off the 240v plug will flatten a leisure battery in no time? We have a couple of 240v sockets but only have them wired up for plugging into a power supply at a campsite. I'm sure you do but just checking.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duncan Disorderly on October 18, 2012, 11:39:13 pm
Yea, it's just laptops really and maybe the odd 240v thing that we hadn't initially considered :shrug:

:D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 19, 2012, 07:32:46 am
So you are upping the 12V to 240V at the inverter to plug the laptop cable with the built in inverter to bring it back down to circa 18V again :)

Just saying.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: punkpunk on October 19, 2012, 08:20:24 am
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00294KQQS?ie=UTF8&force-full-site=1&ref_=aw_bottom_links

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Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duncan Disorderly on October 19, 2012, 10:02:11 am
So you are upping the 12V to 240V at the inverter to plug the laptop cable with the built in inverter to bring it back down to circa 18V again :)
Yea that's about the size of it...  :whistle: Seems daft when you put it like that but when doing the initial plans I just thought that it'd be a good idea to have a 240V supply for things like laptops, camera battery chargers, external HD's etc...

Probably in hindsight it'd have been easier (and maybe even cheaper?) to get 12V units as above but I've got the inverter now and am sure it'll come in handy....

:D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: The Sausage on October 20, 2012, 03:12:08 pm
Forget all that camper-van bollocks - this is what you're after:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271085297245 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271085297245)

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: horn on November 27, 2012, 02:05:58 pm
Me van died and I can't afford to fix it sooo...

If anyone is doing a shanty diy camper I've got an L shaped bench seat that folds out into a 6'x4' double bed. 
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8201/8224260444_b62e9dcd97.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/simon-kimber/8224260444/)
IMAG0287 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/simon-kimber/8224260444/#) by Simon Kimber (http://www.flickr.com/people/simon-kimber/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8061/8224261488_086f6e1d69.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/simon-kimber/8224261488/)
IMAG0289 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/simon-kimber/8224261488/#) by Simon Kimber (http://www.flickr.com/people/simon-kimber/), on Flickr
Essentially free to anyone who can collect it from otley, although a token donation to http://www.heatfund.org.uk/ (http://www.heatfund.org.uk/) would be lovely.  It's sized for a transit (with a cut out for the wheel arch), although as it's (sturdily) screwed and not glued you could very easily chop it and change it to fit whatever you want to put it in

I've also got a nearly full 6 kg propane bottle, 2 burner gas hob, homemade sink unit, 12v water pump and a brand new table leg post with tops and bottoms (bit like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHROME-ISLAND-TABLE-LEG-SET-caravan-motorhome-camper-horsebox-campervan-/140861120598?pt=UK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories&hash=item20cbfa2056 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHROME-ISLAND-TABLE-LEG-SET-caravan-motorhome-camper-horsebox-campervan-/140861120598?pt=UK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories&hash=item20cbfa2056) but with two conical ends so you don't have to drill a big hole in your floor) Open to offers on all these things, just message me on here.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Willriseley on January 20, 2013, 07:00:20 pm
Just got hold of an ex postie vauxhall combo van and am hoping to get it decked out asap. anyone seen or have one thats done?

Thinking lots of insulation, skylight, lights and even a toilet maybe?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on January 20, 2013, 08:45:49 pm

Does anyone have any baby bed beta for camper vans in general or bongos in particular? Trying to convince myself life as I know it won't be over when it arrives.

Board across the front seats and a moses basket? Keen to convince the little one that it'll like camper van-ing soon after it's arrival. I don't want it messing up my birthday mountain biking weekend!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: old cheese on January 20, 2013, 09:04:18 pm
Does anyone have knowledge on insurance companies for self modified vans with the inclusion of  cover for Europe for a year long road trip.

It seems 3 month cover if fine but anything more problematical.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on January 20, 2013, 09:32:14 pm

Does anyone have any baby bed beta for camper vans in general or bongos in particular? Trying to convince myself life as I know it won't be over when it arrives.

Board across the front seats and a moses basket? Keen to convince the little one that it'll like camper van-ing soon after it's arrival. I don't want it messing up my birthday mountain biking weekend!

I know BB has done some long trips with his LO, isnt there some info earlier in this thread? And congratulations!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on January 21, 2013, 11:44:54 am
Does anyone have knowledge on insurance companies for self modified vans with the inclusion of  cover for Europe for a year long road trip.

It seems 3 month cover if fine but anything more problematical.

I used Brentacre, 3 months was standard and I arranged (or they did really, for me) to pay an additional monthly fee beyond that. It wasn't cheap, but it wasn't horrendous either.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on January 21, 2013, 12:21:49 pm
I know BB has done some long trips with his LO

In a moment of boredom, had a look. pg 15.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on January 25, 2013, 05:09:42 pm
Finally got round to sorting the van interior. All insulated, sound deadened and carpeted! Then had to make some custom speaker pods to allow speakers in roof. Lights in roof got fitted, and also strip LED lights above windows, and on the step to light it up in the dark. (Avoid messy night time pisses!) floor also laid with hard wearing lino type material.

Really like the two tone look  :)

Links are FB so might not appear for all.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/480684_10152444345230076_1972847931_n.jpg)

Speaker pods

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/312494_10152444352055076_1053206995_n.jpg)

Need to save a bit of cash now for bed, swivel seats, leisure battery setup, units, and cooker, sink and fridge setup. Then bumper colour coding and a million other little jobs  :no:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: csl on January 25, 2013, 05:16:52 pm
Looks awesome, good job!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on January 25, 2013, 05:18:08 pm
Looks awesome, good job!

I didn't do it myself, paid someone! Was easier and quicker. I did the speaker pics though.  :-[
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: jmews on January 26, 2013, 07:09:23 pm
Does anyone have any experience of buying a van in Europe for use over there? Im particular, does anyone have any input on advantages or disadvantages of buying a van on the continent vs. back in Britain?


 We are not in Europe at the moment, but trying to plan for roughly a year or so living in spain followed by a likely other period of living in france for 6 months or so. There could end up being more of an even split in terms of where we are, but this is the vague idea for now. 


Are there issues with buying a van in Spain and then using it in France for long periods? Would it perhaps be better to buy in the U.K. And then take it out there so that we can at least use it back home afterwards if needed? We're leaning towards a small diesel (caddy/berlingo plus renault and peugeot equivalents) for long weekends/short trips as opposed to a full living conversion.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on January 26, 2013, 07:17:44 pm
Looks awesome, good job!

I didn't do it myself, paid someone! Was easier and quicker. I did the speaker pics though.  :-[

I can believe you paid someone to do the carpet but were happy to cut holes in your van for windows  :o. That was impressive.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on January 26, 2013, 07:47:58 pm
Looks awesome, good job!

I didn't do it myself, paid someone! Was easier and quicker. I did the speaker pics though.  :-[

I can believe you paid someone to do the carpet but were happy to cut holes in your van for windows  :o. That was impressive.

Just don't have much free time at the moment! And i need it done. Wasnt a case of not being able to carpet it. Time is precious!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on January 26, 2013, 10:55:55 pm
Does anyone have any experience of buying a van in Europe for use over there? Im particular, does anyone have any input on advantages or disadvantages of buying a van on the continent vs. back in Britain?


 We are not in Europe at the moment, but trying to plan for roughly a year or so living in spain followed by a likely other period of living in france for 6 months or so. There could end up being more of an even split in terms of where we are, but this is the vague idea for now. 


Are there issues with buying a van in Spain and then using it in France for long periods? Would it perhaps be better to buy in the U.K. And then take it out there so that we can at least use it back home afterwards if needed? We're leaning towards a small diesel (caddy/berlingo plus renault and peugeot equivalents) for long weekends/short trips as opposed to a full living conversion.

I think fultonius has just bought one in holland for prolonged use in France so may have some knowledge
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: biscuit on January 26, 2013, 11:56:30 pm
I live in SPain and can tell you that second hand cars, but camper vans in particular, are very expensive compared to UK prices. I have a friend here who buys vans ( normally from Germany or Holland ) and then imports them to spain ( lots of paperwork, stringent MOT and taxes ) and still manages to sell them cheaper than a comparable van from Spain.

You may have an issue with driving a van for longer than a year. If ( and it's quite a big if in my experience ) you get stopped and your van is not MOT'd in it's country of registration you will get a whopper of a fine. They tend to turn a blind eye to cars on foreign plates as long as they are still MOT'd. My experience is limited to Southern Spain though.

I am considering getting a new van and am actually thinking of buying from UK and just driving it back home once a year to get it MOT'd ( via various climbing spots in Northern Spain and France of course ).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: jmews on January 27, 2013, 05:12:19 pm
I live in SPain and can tell you that second hand cars, but camper vans in particular, are very expensive compared to UK prices. I have a friend here who buys vans ( normally from Germany or Holland ) and then imports them to spain ( lots of paperwork, stringent MOT and taxes ) and still manages to sell them cheaper than a comparable van from Spain.

You may have an issue with driving a van for longer than a year. If ( and it's quite a big if in my experience ) you get stopped and your van is not MOT'd in it's country of registration you will get a whopper of a fine. They tend to turn a blind eye to cars on foreign plates as long as they are still MOT'd. My experience is limited to Southern Spain though.

I am considering getting a new van and am actually thinking of buying from UK and just driving it back home once a year to get it MOT'd ( via various climbing spots in Northern Spain and France of course ).


Thanks! That answers a lot of our questions!


It sounds like we might end up doing that then. I'm pretty out of touch with used car prices in eu/uk, and because used cars cost insane amounts of money where i live, i actually didn't realise that the prices I had seen for Spain were expensive! We are probably going to be in southern Spain, too.


The idea of a forced annual road trip to England actually sounds quite inviting! Are you aware of any other restrictions beyond the home country MOT? Does insurance also have to be I the country of registration, or can you insure in the country of use with a foreign reg.?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: chummer on February 21, 2013, 05:41:24 pm
I've been looking at double hob stoves for my van and can't decide whether to get double hob with or without a grill. The idea of cheese on toast is all too tempting although I am aware of how bad these type of grills can be. Camping gaz chef of Hi gear elite? Or no grill at all?

http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/product-reviews/elite-double-burner-and-grill-p152181 (http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/product-reviews/elite-double-burner-and-grill-p152181)

http://www.campingaz.com/uk/p-23886-camping-chef174.aspx (http://www.campingaz.com/uk/p-23886-camping-chef174.aspx)

I'll be using these with a regulator and big bottle.

Basically, please recommend me a cooker. :please:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: gme on February 21, 2013, 06:12:41 pm
I have a grill in my van(soon to be for sale) as Mrs GME really wanted it. Might as well be a cupboard as we never use it. Plus lots of sh** to rattle around in there.

As an aside just picked up my new (to me) Cali today so will be putting my 8 yr old Bilbo up for sale in the next few weeks once i have given her a good clean. Will post details on here first before the normal press.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on February 21, 2013, 07:38:14 pm
Does anyone have any experience of buying a van in Europe for use over there? In particular, does anyone have any input on advantages or disadvantages of buying a van on the continent vs. back in Britain?


Yeah, we bought a VW T4 from the Netherlands. (for a few reasons: price - generally cheaper than the UK for similar vans), colours - seems like less white vans!, Left-Hand Drive, easier to insure for long periods in europe (my lass is Dutch, so it's her insurance).
€350
We got a 1998 2.5tdi window van (i.e. windows on all rear panels and lifting tailgate) with ~ 140,000  miles which had been tuned to 140bhp for €3500.

Not sure about insurance if you're not living in the country of purchase.

The downsides of buying abroad are: :Language problems - it's difficult to catch the subtle nuances of sellers (i.e. trustworthyness etc.). Not knowing how the system works.Having to go to that country for MOT/APK or re-regestering in another country.

Any questions let me know.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on March 01, 2013, 02:24:48 pm
I've been looking at double hob stoves for my van and can't decide whether to get double hob with or without a grill. The idea of cheese on toast is all too tempting although I am aware of how bad these type of grills can be. Camping gaz chef of Hi gear elite? Or no grill at all?

http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/product-reviews/elite-double-burner-and-grill-p152181 (http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/product-reviews/elite-double-burner-and-grill-p152181)

http://www.campingaz.com/uk/p-23886-camping-chef174.aspx (http://www.campingaz.com/uk/p-23886-camping-chef174.aspx)

I'll be using these with a regulator and big bottle.

Basically, please recommend me a cooker. :please:

I was hoping someone would be able to offer a better opinion on this, but seeings not; I would go for the campinggaz one for reliability over the go outdoors one; I expect it's a bit more? And the toasters are always fickle buggers to use properly; need to watch it like a hawk.

Any new van pron pics gme?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: gme on March 01, 2013, 02:41:09 pm
Chris

Its Rich Kirby's old van. 3 year old silver 180 California. All pretty standard so nothing really exciting to post. Getting the full leather treatment soon so will post pics once that's done. A little bit of bling but its the one thing i wish i had done with my old van as kids, food, drink, surf wax and dogs do not go well with material upholstery. It has seat covers but they are a bit ugly and it seems a shame to spoil the look of something you have just spent a load of money on.

Changing vans mainly for the roof space in the Calis, my kids are bigger now so the side hinged roof in the Bilbo didn't really give them enough space. that and i fancied a new one. A quick tip to anyone is never ever go to a VW garage for a "look" at the new vans.

Hopefully sort out the old one in the next few weeks and post it up on here, needs a good clean and a few small cosmetic bits fixing (cooker handles, freezer door) before i sell it.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on March 01, 2013, 03:03:38 pm
Sounds good, although not a scoob who Rich Kirby is (unless he has an alias on here). Be nice to see finished product.

We got a Reimo roof on ours (with hinge at the back), so should be good for the kids for quite a few years; I am only just too tall for it, but OK with a bit of board I use to cover over the hole in the roof.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Nibile on March 10, 2013, 10:50:03 am
https://vimeo.com/60201908
Apart from the wood stove in a wooden house...  :-\
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on May 23, 2013, 11:22:08 pm
The van is coming along - finished the sofa/bed, kitchen unit (just the door and a face panel to do - a friend of my dad is doing the worktop). Hoping the have it usable by a week tomorrow as that's when the other half arrives and we drive back to Amsterdam  :o

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DJP7pG3q6VI/UZ55ihnr_TI/AAAAAAAAAig/x4GfPs9eABE/s800/P1020623.JPG)

Bed pulled out:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-BvofPLuWt9U/UZ55iUxBm1I/AAAAAAAAAic/6yauxciRuHA/s800/P1020624.JPG)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on May 24, 2013, 09:25:42 am
I like that bed design, hope it's sturdy enough for "action".
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on May 24, 2013, 09:44:31 am
What, like takin it to 'nam?  :shrug:


We might have to restrict "action" to the fixed side of the bed, but it's fairly sturdy. I'm right looking forward to our first trip...  :alky:  :lets_do_it_wild:


Any thoughts on somewhere to stay on the way to Dover, we'll be leaving Perth around 5pm?  We're thinking of doing a short hop down to the lake district, then from there down to Dover the next day. We have a ferry booked at 4pm.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: tomtom on May 24, 2013, 09:56:10 am
I like that bed design, hope it's sturdy enough for "action".

Chris likes a few more power points and shackles for his 'toys'.... ;)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on May 24, 2013, 10:50:40 am

Any thoughts on somewhere to stay on the way to Dover, we'll be leaving Perth around 5pm?  We're thinking of doing a short hop down to the lake district, then from there down to Dover the next day. We have a ferry booked at 4pm.

What route you taking? I know an ace spot for a wild camp just south of Berwick?

Otherwise have a look here http://www.wildcamping.co.uk/ (http://www.wildcamping.co.uk/)

We've parked up at lakeside parking spots in the Lakes on an evening but need to move early as there has been some NT person pitch up to collect parking payments at about 7 am.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on May 24, 2013, 11:19:11 am
Not sure sure what route we're taking to be honest, could go Berwick, don't really mind. How much would they charge for parking?

The sex swing will be in phase 2 of the build  :dance1:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on May 24, 2013, 11:34:07 am
He didn't charge, just moaned that "you shouldn't be camping here".
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on June 09, 2013, 10:30:41 pm
I've seen quite a lot of these:

http://www.autohomeus.com/images/425_Montana-9-06-1.jpg (http://www.autohomeus.com/images/425_Montana-9-06-1.jpg)

about in the US. Looking online they seem a bit $$$ but look like they'd be good for Euro-tripping (for people that'd really love a van but don't want to live with it the other 11 months of the year). Anyone know if there's a decathlon-priced alternative?

Teamed with a reasonable sized estate car there'd be plenty of room for all of the cr*p.

I've also been pretty impressed with some of the pickup, climber conversions. If anyone else is heading to the US I'd suggest a pickup and shell for the rear would be better and more versatile than a van of any sorts.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Johnny Brown on June 10, 2013, 12:08:51 pm
I've seen a german guy at Glen Brittle at least twice with one of those roof-rack tents. It looked a bit shit to me, I think he just loved his discovery and was determined to sleep in it somehow. A tent would be nicer a lot of the time.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on June 10, 2013, 01:21:32 pm
I thought they had them for use in places where there was a risk of gettin' bit by an ol' diamondback. Not much risk of that here. I think camping next to a car to get some shelter from the wind would be more useful here.

I quite like those "compartment" camper box things that you can load on the back of a pickup and bolt in place, or leave at home when not needed and just use the pickup.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: JackAus on June 10, 2013, 02:06:33 pm
Roof tents are very popular over here...

About $1500.

(http://bc4x4.com/inthenews/images/2007-08-20_arb_roof_tent_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on June 10, 2013, 03:42:41 pm
Those of you who've used cab beds for your little'uns.....

What do they sleep in? I think my daughter is going to be too big for a moses basket soon but seems too small for a ready bed style thing. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: erm, sam on June 10, 2013, 06:47:12 pm
Ru slept in a cardboard box at the end of the bed in ours for a little while (there was a little room on the floor). And by that I mean my daughter, not the Peak Bouldering Pixie.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: slackline on June 10, 2013, 08:22:42 pm
Ru slept in a cardboard box at the end of the bed in ours for a little while (there was a little room on the floor).

Thats what the Finns do (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22751415).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nik at work on July 23, 2013, 12:06:08 pm
After a spot of help from the camper expert massive.

I'm after a camper that I will keep on the mainland while living on the Isle of Man. I'm going to be back in the UK every month or so for a week or so and will be living in the van for some/all of these UK based weeks. I will also be using the van as a "car" when we come over as a family so it needs 4 seats with belts. We may well use it to "camp" in as a family from time to time but this will only be if the weather's good and so can have a tent so no need for the van to be up to housing a full family for several days in poor weather.

Current thinking is something like a VW transporter as that seems to be the default option. Don't know whether to get something converted or semi converted, seem to get a fair but more for your buck on the semi-converted front. I probably can't go down the get-a-van-and-diy route as I'll need it to be rough campable in straight off so as a minimum I'll want it carpeted/floored or such-like. Also not committed to a transporter or VW (I'm not one of the fanboi's) so if there are good alternatives I'm open to suggestion, but I think that's going to be the right sort of size.

Also does anyone have any knowledge on insuring a vehicle that won't be stored at your home address? I'll probably rent a garage for storage.

I'm handy and well tooled up so have no problem with fitting/fixing stuff. However I don't really have any camper knowledge, so hints and tips would be good.

Budget is probably going to be around the £6-7k mark, and I'll be looking to buy in about four weeks.

Any recommendations/things to look out for/random interesting facts?

I know this whole thread is basically the answer to my questions, but if anyone has any quick points to make with regard to the use I'm going to be putting the van to that would be helpful.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: account_inactive on July 23, 2013, 01:10:40 pm
Mines for sale...... :whistle:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nik at work on July 23, 2013, 01:28:14 pm
Details? Hang on is this the one you were living in when you were "shitting through the eye of a needle" when we met in Spain?? Suddenly less enthusiatic...

Seriously, have you got it listed anywhere? How much? Etc... (PM me if you'd rather)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: andyd on July 23, 2013, 07:21:48 pm
Mines for sale...... :whistle:
I think this is fairly illegal.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 24, 2013, 10:17:06 am
Seeing's no-one else has replied...

If you are just needing somewhere to doss down, it might be better looking at a people carrier with a few removable seats? When you are travelling on your own take a seat or two our and when you want to kip down, just roll out a sleeping mat and sleeping bag, job done.

Otherwise; if you are carrying 2 kids you will need a fold down bed with at least a steel frame, and preferrably crash tested (ie not a wooden "rock and roller" type, which won't stand up to an accident). Steel frames are quite expensive, crash tested ones (like RIB beds) even more so; 2K or thereabouts, which will take a big chunk out of your budget, and are very rarely found second hand. With 2 kids riding 3 in the front (which you can do in most panel vans) is no longer an option.

For the money you have will probably be looking at an older high mileage ready converted camper, something like a T4 or maybe a Mazda Bongo? Given your recent luck with cars, you will hopefully get a good runner this time!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: tomtom on July 24, 2013, 10:19:15 am
or a big old volvo estate...?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 24, 2013, 10:30:37 am
That was my old option. With back seats folded down it had enough room for my 6ft 2 frame, so for the diminutive it would be positively spacious.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duma on July 25, 2013, 11:03:40 pm
Nik:

wouldn't fancy the big estate option myself if it was to be home for one week a month, but if you do it'd be by far the cheapest option.

As others have said, seating 4 is the big stumbling block - crash tested rock and rollers are ££.
Transporters are probably expensive for what they are due to the fanboy demand, but on the other hand do have pretty much everything available in terms of self or paid for conversions. A cheaper (less "cool") base vehicle of similar size might be something like a Vauxhall Vivaro - a mate has one of these that he's converted and it seems a good alternative. Something like my van might be usable for what you describe - It's an ex-AA T4, and one of the things I had in mind when doing my (very basic) set up was the ability to put the crew seat back in with minimal fuss - I reckon it'd take me < 30min to take out the unit and slot the seat back in. Problem would be having somewhere to store the unit/seat when not in use.

All that said - in your position I'd prob get something like a SWB Transit with a crew seat - with any luck it'd come with the side windows in - get it boarded/insulated/carpeted. Reason is if you go for a transit type rather than transporter, a man of < 5' 9" can sleep across it - every thing gets loads simpler if you don't need to pull a bed out every time.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on July 25, 2013, 11:12:28 pm
Nik:

wouldn't fancy the big estate option myself if it was to be home for one week a month, but if you do it'd be by far the cheapest option.

As others have said, seating 4 is the big stumbling block - crash tested rock and rollers are ££.

I'm not sure you really 'need' to worry about crash tested rock and rollers. I talked to a company that were producing these after just gaining the certification, the only thing that changed was the price as they're massively over-designed. However, I'm not a parent.

I wouldn't want to live out of a large estate in the UK, rainy days would just be grim. I didn't get on with mine but a Caddy sized vehicle could be an option with some intelligent converting skills?

T4s are great but they seem to hold their value far too well IMO to warrant buying one.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on July 26, 2013, 07:06:38 am
Citroen C8 ? saw one with curtains in the back which got me thinking

all the passenger seats are easily removable

apparently the 7 seater is more versatile - having 2 separate seats at the back where the 8 seater has a heavy bench

with all the passenger seats lifted out you'd have an OK sleeping/living space - room for a double mattress

with the middle row all in place and the back seats out you would have room for you, 4 coachees and pads/gear

I guess a Renault Espace would do the same

normal car insurance - diesel engines

(http://citroensynergie.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/l_1600_1200_20b15420-e4e4-443f-932c-9511c9d28f06.jpeg?w=460)

not a c8, but nearly the same. I think in the c8 the passenger seats fold down to a table, which would be useful

http://citroensynergie.wordpress.com/category/customise/ (http://citroensynergie.wordpress.com/category/customise/)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nik at work on July 26, 2013, 07:40:04 am
Cheers for all the suggestions people, very useful information. I think that, despite the people carrier car option being tempting, I will have to go for something that is a bit more "camper-van-ey" as number one son is SYKED for camper action and would be disappointed with an estate car. Also I will be working while "dossing" in it in the UK so could do with a bit of extra space to adequately allow me to do my beauty regime/yoga/pilates. But I'll have a look around and see what I can find. Anyway cheers for the thoughts, I'll keep an eye on the thread so if anybody has any further pitfalls or ideas I'll all ears (well eyes I suppose...).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on July 26, 2013, 08:17:44 am
is he just SYKED! or is he in fact SUPER SYKED!  ?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: ben on July 26, 2013, 08:24:13 am
I'm not sure you really 'need' to worry about crash tested rock and rollers. I talked to a company that were producing these after just gaining the certification, the only thing that changed was the price as they're massively over-designed. However, I'm not a parent.
Paul - But there's a big difference between a company that was making something 'crash testable' and then just charging more after the certification (which they need to because of the £££ involved in doing the tests) and the el cheapo ones on ebay for £200-300,  I definitely wouldn't drive around with my kids strapped into one of those..

I had a 'smart bed' fitted (before they changed the design slightly to go thro crash testing), it's very robust, a smooth operator and I can't fault it really.  Plus they fit it so you know it's attached correctly!

My vote would be a VW or maybe a Vivaro or similar
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: sammo on July 26, 2013, 10:42:34 am
How many miles will you be doing in it once you're on the mainland?

We've got two vans in the family and both meet some of your requirements, but neither are perfect. The first is a VW T25 High Top fitted out by Westfalia:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-x380AeqEKvc/UfI5xkeaTlI/AAAAAAAAEZg/Pn-RPcZCO3U/s400/1.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2kgztfQND8U/UfI5mfb3KJI/AAAAAAAAEZY/3AB_YqqayW4/s400/2.jpg)

It's nearly 30 years old and cost just under 6k a few years ago. It has four seat belts and the interior layout is great: you can just about sleep four adults at a push, it's fine for two adults and two kids and for just two adults it's pretty luxurious. My partner and I have done several extended trips away in it very comfortably and we use it year-round in Scotland for winter climbing trips etc. Even in the dankest weather it's pretty cosy. Something like this would fit your budget and tick all the comfort options, but the downsides are that:

If you're planning to come back to the mainland, drive a short distance and then sleep for the week, then something like this could be ideal. If you're going to be driving tens of thousands of miles in it each year then the fuel/maintenance costs and general slowness might get to you. Obviously more modern equivalents are available, but unless you find a real bargain they're likely to be beyond your budget. As mentioned above, some of the Transit conversions look really good and they tend to be cheaper than their VW counterparts.

Our other van is an ex-Post Office Vauxhall Combo Crew, which we use as a family car. I was never a great fan of Vauxhalls, but the design of this is great: five proper seats with loads of space, drives more-or-less like a car and returns 50-55 mpg on long journeys. We bought an 08 plate with 35k miles on it for about 4k, and although it's clearly been thrashed by the postie it's been mechanically sound so far.

The best thing about it is that the rear seats fold completely flat to create a proper load area, without having to mess about removing seats etc. We've built a sleeping platform that folds up in the back and hinges out to create a 6'5" double bed:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-dNzZ1Q697wc/UfI5RfW0_wI/AAAAAAAAEZA/duECw3WqUlo/s400/P1000534.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nBeJE8XbMBk/UfI5arKa3MI/AAAAAAAAEZQ/8ZeQ4rq8VZw/s400/P1000522.JPG)

This seems to work pretty well and we can both sleep in it comfortably. With the back seats folded down and the bed folded away you can also sit cross-legged in the back and use the bed as a table for cooking on when it's raining. With the bed removed and one of the rear seats down we can just about get four people and four bikes in it too, which is handy.

In terms of comfort, the T25 wins hands down though: I don't think I'd fancy living in the Vauxhall for one week out of every four, whereas the VW really is like a home away from home.

Just some thoughts. Good luck with whatever you decide to go for!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duncan Disorderly on July 26, 2013, 11:11:12 am
There's a T5 for sale around your budget on the other channel Nik - done a fair few miles mind but the engines are good for 500K so as long as it's been well kept and serviced (cam belt changed etc.) then I'd not discount it...

They are money pits though..... I'm now contemplating spending another £200 on a bike rack for mine after just being fleeced for a full service ... Still count it as the best thing I've ever bought tho! (the van not the service;-)

http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=550711 (http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=550711)


:D
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 26, 2013, 11:32:38 am
Looks great, but I would be surprised if that bed was crash tested or even a metal frame. Worth asking though.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duma on July 26, 2013, 01:01:47 pm
Says metal framed in the description. Seatbelts too. V doubtful it's crash tested tho. Could always have the kids up front and make the other half ride in the back...
Looks pretty good I'd say.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: tj on July 26, 2013, 01:47:21 pm
A quick scan of the T4 forum will reveal rock and roll bed safety to be a proverbial  :worms:...

I definitely think the rear seating/bed set-up is worthy of a fair bit of thought, and is the one thing that I now wish (as a new dad) that we'd spent a bit more on in our van. We did get a steel-framed bed (not pull/crash-tested) but we've never been fully happy with the seat belts. They don't position very well on adults, and because of the height of the seat, the company who did the fit couldn't change this. On another note, head-rests are also worthy of consideration. A lot of RnR beds don't have them. I'd certainly hate to be in an RTA without a head rest...

I suspect our RnR bed is *probably* strong enough, I'm just not quite happy enough with it now I'll be putting my kid in it.

I spoke to one of the guys from Smartbeds a couple of days ago. He said they purposely overbuilt their model that gets a pull-test ticket as they didn't want to run the risk of it failing the test. Their other model isn't pull-tested, but *looks* well-engineered. The guys who run the company claim to have a background in fabrication/mech eng. He said that in the test apparently it's like going 30 mph and then coming to a dead-stop. The forces that would be applied to a human body would be a 20 G deceleration and he also mentioned an equivalent loading of 1500 Kg on the torso.  I don't know if these numbers stack up, but I do wonder that although the RnR bed might be able to withstand these loads, if they'd be scooping your liquified remains off the back seat...

Then, you've got the argument over how applicable pull-testing on a rig is compared to a van (a la Bebb beds)...

Overall, I don't know how good/applicable the actual pull test is to a real-life scenario. I suppose it boils down to what you feel comfortable transporting your family/friends in. 

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 26, 2013, 01:50:05 pm
Says metal framed in the description. Seatbelts too. V doubtful it's crash tested tho.

Missed that. RnR beds aren't crash tested, and lap belt not sufficient for safely restraining binlids.

Could always have the kids up front and make the other half ride in the back...

At least their map reading skills are probably a bit better! Second thoughts, get a satnav.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 26, 2013, 01:56:47 pm
I definitely think the rear seating/bed set-up is worthy of a fair bit of thought, and is the one thing that I now wish (as a new dad) that we'd spent a bit more on in our van.

Me too. We had a wooden RnR bed at first and kid 1 rode up front with us. With imminent arrival of kid 2 we bit the bullet and got a RiB bed for our (read her) peace of mind. I'm glad we did not only safety but for the added bonus that they fold out longer than the RnR bed, so my feet don't hang out over the end esp in winter.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on July 27, 2013, 07:29:12 pm
I'm not sure you really 'need' to worry about crash tested rock and rollers. I talked to a company that were producing these after just gaining the certification, the only thing that changed was the price as they're massively over-designed. However, I'm not a parent.
Paul - But there's a big difference between a company that was making something 'crash testable' and then just charging more after the certification...

I'm not wholly convinced. I watched some of these guys work/weld and there was a fair dose of red eye on everyone involved. Not only that, when fitting something to my van they came very close to sinking a huge screw through the petrol tank. This is one of the 'reputable' bed manufacturers that I see recommended all the time.

I understand the crash testing costs £££ and hence the end cost goes up. What I was trying to stress is the primary design stage seems to consist of simply over-designing the bed rather than anything else so that they won't need to repeat the expensive process again (which seems to have been confirmed above).

As I said I'm not a parent, if I were I'd likely just stump up the cash. However, consider all of the other items in the van that may or may not be properly fitted and the damage your home-fit ikea masterpiece might do, or the kitchen worktop that ends at mid-back level behind the drivers seat  :worms:.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: gme on July 28, 2013, 10:00:40 am
Anyone got experience of changing the camping gaz bottle in there can over to propane. Do you just need a different regulator.
In Norway and can't get camping Gaz anywhere. Wasn't aware of this so didn't bring a spare.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: nathan wind on July 28, 2013, 11:10:05 am
I use Propane in the winter (Butane not being that good when things are round 0) and just switch regulators. Worth carrying one of each, especially as Propane is harder to find in France, Swissy etc.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: tj on July 30, 2013, 12:28:34 pm

Me too. We had a wooden RnR bed at first and kid 1 rode up front with us. With imminent arrival of kid 2 we bit the bullet and got a RiB bed for our (read her) peace of mind. I'm glad we did not only safety but for the added bonus that they fold out longer than the RnR bed, so my feet don't hang out over the end esp in winter.

I'm giving a RIB bed a bit of serious consideration... How did you get it fitted? I'm looking in to reputable fitters in Leeds area (and beyond).

I do also agree with Paul B. No point having a bomb-proof bed if other bits are far more likely to cause problems in a crash. Looks like I'm gonna have to have a bit of a look at all the other fittings. Oh, and most importantly learn to drive a bit more sedately on occasions (although I'm *fairly* chilled nowadays)...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 30, 2013, 12:50:16 pm
Got ours done by Jerba in North Berwick near Edinburgh, probably not ideal for you! As you say unless it's fitted by a certified and competent installer there's not much point in spending the cash. Other stuff flying around is a valid point, we try and pack as much away in cupboards as possible, but there's always things on the floor when we are travelling any distance, but this holds true for any vehicle and "potential projectile" hazards. Doesn't mean you mustn't try reduce risks to ALARP though.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Probes on September 23, 2013, 07:16:28 pm
A bit of T4 knowledge if possible thanks... Ive come across a T4 1998 1.9td done 178k owned by a mechanic whoss virtually changed everything on it, so mechanically im pretty confident, body work showing rust spots and looks ok for a 15 year old but doesn't look mint, back is just lined and carpeted, he wants £2250 for it, very very tempted..
Only thing he said he got 300 mile of 3/4 tank... assume its a 60 litre tank so that equates to 35 mpg? is this about normal for a t4?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duma on September 23, 2013, 07:33:29 pm
Tank on mine (52 plate) is at least 70l, poss 75. I generally get between 35 and 40mpg. I do drive pretty much like a granny though.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: iain on September 23, 2013, 07:48:32 pm
Ours is at least 75l too, manual says about 80l tank with similar mpg, and driving style, to Duma. Had 700ish from a tank.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Probes on September 23, 2013, 07:56:32 pm
Ok cheers, yes going to question him on this for sure now... 300 off 3/4 tank is way off if its a standard tank..
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 02, 2013, 02:59:08 pm
Any recommendations for a good reliable leisure battery that won't cosr loads. Needs to be sealed / odour free as it goes under drivers seat?

The current one is an Elecsol, and I think I've let it run down to nothing a few times too many (usually forgetting to switch fridge off!) It's getting hot not holding charge and smelling a bit, which I think means its on its way out.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fidders on December 15, 2013, 05:18:45 pm
I'm currently looking at different types of portable/rechargeable dehumidifiers or moisture trap crystals to reduce the condensation build up inside my campervan. Any recommendations on either of these items or other solutions would be very welcome.

Cheers 
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on December 15, 2013, 09:04:29 pm
Northcountryboy always used to moan that his eberspacher heater would leave the air in his van very dry.

Maybe it's an expensive solution but two birds, one stone?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fidders on December 16, 2013, 09:56:33 pm
Northcountryboy always used to moan that his eberspacher heater would leave the air in his van very dry...

tbh, my research into dehumidifiers has revealed the best option is just leave the window open slightly... perhaps i'll just investigate this eberspacher heater instead. cheers
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on December 20, 2013, 07:09:05 am
Have you got a roof vent?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fidders on December 20, 2013, 01:10:15 pm
Nope, we haven't a roof vent either.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on December 20, 2013, 02:10:13 pm
We're planning on getting one soon, right above the cooker. Hopefully that'll help things a bit.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: tomtom on December 20, 2013, 03:34:26 pm
Does your van have ac? If so running it when driving between sites will help loads drying out the interior as the ac dehumidifies the air..
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on February 04, 2014, 02:44:29 pm
http://m.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/mercedes-vito-cdi-111-dual-liner-2006-van/1046718681 (http://m.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/mercedes-vito-cdi-111-dual-liner-2006-van/1046718681)

Good mate selling his van because his fiancee can't drive, so they had to get a car. It's in great nick, he's had it from new, and it doesn't get used when he's offshore, so low miles.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: wsmith on February 11, 2014, 10:53:35 pm
Looking into getting a small-ish van for a fairly basic conversion - single bed, small stove/sink and a leisure battery. The main option at the moment is a Transit Connect, probably LWB. Anyone have any experience with these? Reliable? Suitable for a conversion?

Any recommendations of similar type vans? Does LWB reduce efficiency much compared with a SWB?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on February 11, 2014, 10:54:31 pm
Have you looked back through this thread (or searched)? I'm pretty sure Johnny Brown made some comments re: these saying they're horrible to drive.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: wsmith on February 11, 2014, 11:35:04 pm
Cheers, now found the comments you're referring to. Not too fussed about the drive assuming its reliable and fairly efficient so it's still an option.

The Caddy is one of the other options. I saw your Caddy conversion and comments on bed length - was that long or short wheel base? Am I right to imagine a SWB to be too short for me (5ft 11")?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on February 12, 2014, 12:10:09 am
Personally, I think small vans are a bit shit. Our caddy conversion was SWB however there wasn't all that much room in it (for us, kit, cooking stuff etc.), it drunk fuel (compared to my 2.5 tdi T4) and wasn't any easier to drive (given there were no rear windows etc.).

Maybe if there's just you staying in it then a small van is better but for me an estate car is a better compromise (just not a 2004 E46 with loads of extras to go wrong).

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: bigdrew on March 11, 2014, 09:42:11 pm
I am currently in the middle of converting a Connect LWB. At 6ft 3" I needed the LWB. Even at 5' 11" you would be looking at moving the front seat forward to sleep in it straight.The extra height is nice too. LWB also gives useful storage above the driver and passenger.

I've attached a picture to give you an idea of what my friend has done with his SWB connect. The bed pulls all the way across to the units leaving plenty of room for two.
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/t/u7zhn.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

I'm only planning on insulating + carpeting and putting a bed down once side as I want room for a motorbike down the other.

Driving like a bit of a granny my last tank saw 43mpg with the 75hp TDDI engine which I thought was alight. As for the driving comments it is a van built to do a job - run it along side a fun car (or a bike) if you want a driving / fun toy..

Neither of us have a leisure battery and I think it would be a pain to fit one. No room in the engine bay or under the seats so it would have to take up room in the back or go under the bed.

You do pay more for a LWB and the connects are fairly expensive anyway. Part of me wishes I just brought a normal SWB Transit

Let me know if you want any more info
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: sjw on March 11, 2014, 11:48:03 pm
Personally, I think small vans are a bit shit. Our caddy conversion was SWB however there wasn't all that much room in it (for us, kit, cooking stuff etc.), it drunk fuel (compared to my 2.5 tdi T4) and wasn't any easier to drive (given there were no rear windows etc.

This is good food for thought Paul. I've been considering buying and part-converting a swb Caddy tdi with a side bench seat/bed for occassional nights and trips away. My main reason for going small van is that my nearest bouldering is a 100 mile odd round trip and I thought a Caddy would return better mpg than a T4 and easier to use day-to-day. I now wonder whether I'm being rather naive about how much space I'll need and the fuel economy, or lack of!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on March 12, 2014, 11:17:28 am
Just bear in mind that's just my opinion. It may be better if you were by yourself. However, take a look at the rear load area height. I worked out that there wasn't all that much headroom left by the time you'd built a platform to sleep on which I (not that tall) could sit on without bending my neck), if you wanted to fit a pad underneath. Thus I went for a welded metal frame rather than wood.

I know north_country_boy has a caddy which he gets better MPG than I did, but I now know a fair few friends that have them who don't seem to spend much time sleeping in them at all (if at all).


Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: sjw on April 20, 2014, 10:54:55 pm
I caved in. After a few months of checking the classifieds every night, I've bought a Caddy. Having spent god knows how many hours researching various 'how to' things on the internet, I've hit a brick wall with some of them and admitted defeat so I'm hoping for some wise and worldly knowledge for you clever lot.

PaulB: Having looked though your flickr build gallery, I was wondering if you made your own ply panels? I can only find ply lining kits for full sides etc. as opposed to the minimal ones that yours had.

Wiring additional LEDs/power into the back. Is this something that a total novice could do? I've found a few forum threads and understand the principle, but don't think I'd be confident enough to know what to buy/how to do it without an idiot proof step by step guide. Any suggestions on where to look, or should I just get a real man to do it for me?

Carpeting: I can't decide whether to do spend a whole weekend doing it myself and doing an 'OK' job, or just pay someone to do it and know that it'll be done properly. Any thoughts from people who've done it themselves?

Ta! Simon.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: account_inactive on April 21, 2014, 10:16:56 am
I've had a T4 and and now have a Caddy. The Caddy is WAY better on fuel and I sleep in in Mon-Fri whilst at work. I'm 5.10 and its fine for me. Not huge, but certainly big enough if you're inventive with storage (raised bed etc).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on April 21, 2014, 12:26:38 pm
I caved in. After a few months of checking the classifieds every night, I've bought a Caddy. Having spent god knows how many hours researching various 'how to' things on the internet, I've hit a brick wall with some of them and admitted defeat so I'm hoping for some wise and worldly knowledge for you clever lot.

PaulB: Having looked though your flickr build gallery, I was wondering if you made your own ply panels? I can only find ply lining kits for full sides etc. as opposed to the minimal ones that yours had.

I did it myself on a VW t4, but I had the old flimsy fiber-board panels to use as a template and still didn't do a perfect job. I think the difficult but is getting a good, full size template to work from. Cutting them out is a piece of piss if you can handle a jigsaw.


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Wiring additional LEDs/power into the back. Is this something that a total novice could do? I've found a few forum threads and understand the principle, but don't think I'd be confident enough to know what to buy/how to do it without an idiot proof step by step guide. Any suggestions on where to look, or should I just get a real man to do it for me?

The electrics are fairly easy. Try and figure out a wiring diagram for what your need and feel free to send it my way and I can give you some pointers.

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Carpeting: I can't decide whether to do spend a whole weekend doing it myself and doing an 'OK' job, or just pay someone to do it and know that it'll be done properly. Any thoughts from people who've done it themselves?


It's tricky to get it really good. The panels are fairly easy (curved cutouts take a bit more thought). The bits I struggled with most were round windows etc. It boils down to budget vs free time vs your quality requirements. I was happy to do it myself as I had a low budget, lots of time and wanted it to be fairly good, but we didn't need show-room quality!

You might be better doing some overtime to pay for a pro to do it while you go climbing ;-)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on April 21, 2014, 12:55:43 pm
It boils down to budget vs free time vs your quality requirements.

+1. Cheap, Fast and Quality - choose any two.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: sjw on April 21, 2014, 10:07:49 pm
Brilliant, thanks everyone. I took out the bulkhead and ply panels tonight and it looks loads bigger for it. Thankfully the flimsy fibreboard bits were underneath so I'll have some templates to work from. No doubt I'll be back  grovelling for more advice in due course, thanks again.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: highrepute on April 22, 2014, 12:48:20 pm
I caved in. After a few months of checking the classifieds every night, I've bought a Caddy. Having spent god knows how many hours researching various 'how to' things on the internet, I've hit a brick wall with some of them and admitted defeat so I'm hoping for some wise and worldly knowledge for you clever lot.

PaulB: Having looked though your flickr build gallery, I was wondering if you made your own ply panels? I can only find ply lining kits for full sides etc. as opposed to the minimal ones that yours had.

Wiring additional LEDs/power into the back. Is this something that a total novice could do? I've found a few forum threads and understand the principle, but don't think I'd be confident enough to know what to buy/how to do it without an idiot proof step by step guide. Any suggestions on where to look, or should I just get a real man to do it for me?

Carpeting: I can't decide whether to do spend a whole weekend doing it myself and doing an 'OK' job, or just pay someone to do it and know that it'll be done properly. Any thoughts from people who've done it themselves?

Ta! Simon.

Have you seen in mine and ellie's van simon, there's pics on fb somewhere? We did the carpeting ourselves and I think it looks pretty good. So doubt you'd struggle.

Ply - if you've got templates then your fine.

Electrics - We haven't done this yet but have been intending to. let us know how you get on?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: north_country_boy on April 22, 2014, 01:36:54 pm
As Paul_B said, I did have a Caddy (2005, 1.9tdi) until recently but have sold it on to another happy climber.

It averaged approx. 50-55mpg over the time I had it (3years/45k).

I did all the insulating, ply-lining and carpetting myself and added LED lights in the back too. I also built a platform as per Paul_B, which I could remove and store if necessary. I also bought a Caddy Maxi rear seat which I could bolt in and out as I pleased so I had the benefit of using it with four seats.

If anyone is interested PM me and I can send you some pictures for ideas/inspiration.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: sjw on April 27, 2014, 05:53:36 pm
Electrics - We haven't done this yet but have been intending to. let us know how you get on?

I did this today after weeks of internet research and some very helpful instructions from north_country_boy (thanks again). It was pretty daunting, but it's quite straight forward - if I managed then it can't be that hard. I now have LED lights and two switches in the rear or the van: one turns the lights on permanently (if 'off' then the lights come on when the doors are opened) and the other is a 'master' switch to turn them off permanently (even when doors are open).

Shopping list:

12V regulator with fuse (http://www.reuk.co.uk/buy-12-VOLT-REGULATOR-WITH-FUSE.htm)
Twin core cable (at least 0.75mm) (http://www.diy.com/nav/fix/electrical/electrical-cable/flexible_cable/Tower-Flex-2-Core-438014-Black-0-75mm-x-10m-9290552?skuId=9300251)
X2 switch (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251503173722?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
LED lights (http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/pack-of-4-warm-white-led-floor-lights-a53lw) (Ikea do these for the same price)
Choc blocks (this ended up going into a little 90p plastic box from screwfix)

I basically followed this wiring diagram: http://www.benwoodbridge.com/photos/i-Tc84LG8/0/L/i-Tc84LG8-L.jpg (http://www.benwoodbridge.com/photos/i-Tc84LG8/0/L/i-Tc84LG8-L.jpg) (taken from a thread on vwt4forum).

1. Cut off existing rear light connector and pull the cable back down the B pillar to the passenger seat (that's where I tucked the fuse box)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3Mzy4Ihi-Fg/U1y2aw8HRSI/AAAAAAAAIkk/Qc5b2aXwYI0/w746-h563-no/IMG_20140427_084818.jpg)

Red/black = +12V
Brown = permanent -0V (light always on)
Blue/white = switched -0V (light on where door open)

2. I labelled everything up so that I didn't mess up. Wires, terminals, everything. Disconnected the battery, cut off the plug on the LEDs (they have a transistor built in) and wired it all up. Checked everything twice. Reconnected battery. EUREKA!

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/Mmc0vS97ZQ49LllCd646pGBwCnkh4zptLJXAsSJksSU=w1018-h563-no)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/gFohFU1HGm9v22zvDoyMtWCm-D_zff9CEZLxAMZMLgI=w996-h563-no)

3. Disconnected battery, installed switches etc. in the correct place, drilled a hole through the rear footwell panel in the back for a discrete cable-run, rewired and tucked the fuse box bits behind carpet under the B pillar.

I wouldn't say it's complicated, just a bit fiddly - everything took ten times longer than I expected. I'm really happy with the job though, very glad I got stuck in rather then getting a real man to do it for me. If you need any help I'd be happy to pass on all the very helpful info and advice that various people have given me.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: schloosh on April 28, 2014, 10:17:38 am
A mate is emigrating and selling his van, pm me if interested and I'll pass on details:

2012 (just 2 years old) with 15k miles - VW California SE BiTDi 180 DSG 4Motion (leather, goretex top liner, rear mattress extension, towbar, headlight protectors, insulated window blinds, blah blah blah). It's metallic grey and has been his pride and joy for all of 8 months! Just serviced at vw and has another free service next year
£40k.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Probes on May 01, 2014, 04:02:07 pm
Has anybody any experience of the Smev sink/cooker units... this one in particular, was thinking of getting the full kit and fitting it into my own made unit. £200 for a sink hurts but they look smart, wondering if they are worth the extra shelling out for?
Just starting a conversion job on my T4, starting from scratch virtually, well psyched to get it super pimp.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251338267494?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251338267494?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on May 01, 2014, 08:02:34 pm
Yes worth the money Paul! Lets see some pics of your van?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on May 01, 2014, 09:24:19 pm
We got a Cramer 2 burner thing - very similar to SMEV. Fitted it myself too, not too hard. Gimme a shou tif you need any tips.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Probes on May 01, 2014, 11:04:30 pm
No point showing you inside, just boarded and carpeted out, will post up a few once I get going though, but here she is from the front. Had it 6 months actually, and its just done harris and back for the week, solid as a rock  :)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1380379_653298878043861_969873154_n.jpg)

cheers yeah i think ill splash out then, yeh the Cramers look good, going for a narrow as possuble though so i think the thin smev one might fit better.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on May 02, 2014, 07:28:24 am
Looks nice. We got a Cramer one (not that one) because it was the shortest (front to back) we could find without being too wide. Our kitchen design needed as short a cooker as possible. Even then I wish I had 5cm more legroom!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on May 02, 2014, 04:49:28 pm
Grrr!

DIY mechanicery woes...

Just before I went back to Scotland for 4 weeks for some work, the back left brake decided to seize solid with the other half was driving.  :o  It had been grinding for a while as the pads were gone and the disc was...well....in need of replacement! With the ludicrous prices in France I decided to wait to pick up the discs and pads that we had stockpiled at my parents' place. (we got them when we bought the van).

Yesterday I got started. I'm reasonably mechanically minded but also reasonably ham-fisted!  Anyway, I got the calipers off, pads off and then tried to the the "pad carriers" off. They're held on with 2 x 18mm bolts. I didn't have an 18mm socket so borrowed one of a mate. Unfoortunately it was 3/8" drive and my breaker bar is 1/2". I managed to break the 1/2" ot 3/8" reducer pretty easily and being May 1st, no shops open.  >:(

This morning I bought an 18mm 1/2" socket and got one side off but the back right was seized solid and the bolts ended up rounding off. Fuck fuckety fuck.

I also think the caliper pistons need a bit of work as they are very stiff.

On the plus side, I got the handbrake cable replaced, so I now have 1 new disc, 2 sets of new pads and one old disc (I was only doing the rears). Fortunately the right side disc wasn't so bad.

Once again I question the wisdom of doing these things yourself....
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: 205Chris on July 12, 2014, 06:42:21 pm
I realise this might sound like a stupid question but has anyone got any advice on sourcing T4s / T5s for conversion? I've tried all the usual haunts like gumtree / ebay / T5 forum and vantrader but everything I've seen seems to fall into one of two categories:

i. overpriced (yes, I'm aware they attract the scene tax) / interstellar miles

ii. Reasonably priced, but sold within hours of being listed

Looking for a late model T4 / Early model T5 ideally.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 14, 2014, 09:33:40 am
We had the same dilemma, especially living up in this corner of the country, we searched for about 9 months with no joy. What's your budget?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: 205Chris on July 14, 2014, 05:07:26 pm
We had the same dilemma, especially living up in this corner of the country, we searched for about 9 months with no joy. What's your budget?

I suppose I'm working on the possibly optimistic £10k converted budget, although I suppose this could stretch slightly if I bought the van and saved a bit more during the conversion.

Prices seem to fluctuate hugely. As an example I've seen an '03 T4 888 Special X-Pack with <70k miles sell for £5250 and another with 120k miles at £7200! When I spoke to the guy about the former he reckon he'd taken 20 plus calls in 24 hours and then asked me if I thought he'd underpriced it!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on July 14, 2014, 05:51:39 pm
If you're wanting to stack the odds in your favour then don't go looking for a converted van (or a convertible if that's your thing) during the summer months!

Try some of the lesser visited for sale sections, Volkszone, T4/5 forums. Magazines perhaps (VW specific not Autotrader). Perhaps even consider going to one of the many VW events and seeing what's for sale (often over-priced).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: tomtom on July 14, 2014, 06:19:23 pm
Is it seasonal? Ie more in spring less in winter?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 14, 2014, 09:26:18 pm

I suppose I'm working on the possibly optimistic £10k converted budget, although I suppose this could stretch slightly if I bought the van and saved a bit more during the conversion.


Trouble is T4/5s hold their value so well, one of the reasons they are so popular. Are you going to do the conversion yourself?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on July 15, 2014, 08:43:20 am
We had the same dilemma, especially living up in this corner of the country, we searched for about 9 months with no joy. What's your budget?

I suppose I'm working on the possibly optimistic £10k converted budget, although I suppose this could stretch slightly if I bought the van and saved a bit more during the conversion.

Prices seem to fluctuate hugely. As an example I've seen an '03 T4 888 Special X-Pack with <70k miles sell for £5250 and another with 120k miles at £7200! When I spoke to the guy about the former he reckon he'd taken 20 plus calls in 24 hours and then asked me if I thought he'd underpriced it!

There's T4s at an OK price coming up all the time on a facebook group I'm on - https://www.facebook.com/vwt4spares?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/vwt4spares?fref=ts) seems to be updated regularly.

We got ours (1998 t4 2.5 tdi) for €3500 from the Netherlands (so, left drive obviously) with about 140,000 miles. We built the interior ourselves and made it relatively "removable" so if it dies we can rebuild in a new van.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: 205Chris on July 15, 2014, 05:48:22 pm
Cheers for the replies folks. I'm aware of the seasonal variation, I started looking months ago and it slowly drifted into summer! I'm not working to any particular timescales so might wait till after silly season now.

My current plan is to buy a van and convert it as time / funds allow (unless a conversion came up at the right price) aiming to do the simpler jobs myself and get help where required.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: sjw on July 20, 2014, 01:19:27 pm
I have a leftover 1.2m² x 25mm sheet of HD Classic Acoustic foam from soundproofing my van which is still in its wrapper if anyone has a use for it?

Free to a good home, collection from Stockton on Tees or meet in Yorkshire/County...or I will post if required.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: JedHashs on July 22, 2014, 05:17:10 pm
Quick question regarding plugs/charging.

I'm off to Verdon this weekend and realised I might want to charge my camera battery whilst out there.  We're camping so euro-plug adapters aren't an option.  We are however hiring a car, so I was wondering if there is such a thing as a cigarette adapter for figure-eight type plugs that are required to plug into my Nikon battery charger..

(http://www.ktcables.co.uk/images/Figure%208%20Power%20Lead.jpg)

The charger is Nikon Mh-18A (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nikon-Mh-18A-Uk-Battery-Charger/dp/B000F4MLSU/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1272969974&sr=1-16) and the description indicates its 100-240v input.  I know close to nothing about all the voltage stuff, but have a suspicion the output on fag chargers is ~12V and won't cut the mustard, but are there smart gadgets that up this (something to do with voltage/amplitude/impedence and their relationship to each other, shit I didn't pay attention to in Physics 'cause Biology/Genetics was far more interesting  :P).

Have spent a while trying to find such an item but with little joy/success.

Or should I just fork out for a spare battery?  :-\
Well I have faced similar situation earlier but I opted for spare battery and it is working absolutely fine for me..
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: JedHashs on July 23, 2014, 05:38:17 pm
Quick question regarding plugs/charging.

I'm off to Verdon this weekend and realised I might want to charge my camera battery whilst out there.  We're camping so euro-plug adapters aren't an option.  We are however hiring a car, so I was wondering if there is such a thing as a cigarette adapter manufactured by electronic cigarettes manufacturer (http://www.ecigfiend.com/) for figure-eight type plugs that are required to plug into my Nikon battery charger..


(http://www.ktcables.co.uk/images/Figure%208%20Power%20Lead.jpg)

The charger is Nikon Mh-18A (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nikon-Mh-18A-Uk-Battery-Charger/dp/B000F4MLSU/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1272969974&sr=1-16) and the description indicates its 100-240v input.  I know close to nothing about all the voltage stuff, but have a suspicion the output on fag chargers is ~12V and won't cut the mustard, but are there smart gadgets that up this (something to do with voltage/amplitude/impedence and their relationship to each other, shit I didn't pay attention to in Physics 'cause Biology/Genetics was far more interesting  :P).

Have spent a while trying to find such an item but with little joy/success.

Or should I just fork out for a spare battery?  :-\
Well I have faced similar situation earlier but I opted for spare battery and it is working absolutely fine for me..
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Post by: 205Chris on September 03, 2014, 08:02:06 pm
Latest member of team yellow checking in  ;D

Anyone got any knowledge on battery monitors for leisure batteries? The previous owner has done a pretty good conversion with leisure battery etc. but it hasn't got a power management system.

I thought fitting something like this (http://www.nasamarine.com/proddetail.php?prod=BM1Compact&cat=23) would be a good option for monitoring the leisure battery.

Anyone use anything similar?
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Post by: SA Chris on September 03, 2014, 08:42:36 pm
No, but it sounds like a great idea! Pics of acquisition?
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Post by: 205Chris on September 03, 2014, 09:35:39 pm
No, but it sounds like a great idea! Pics of acquisition?

Cheers Chris.

I've been having far too much fun to take photos, I'll try and sort some soon.
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Post by: unclesomebody on September 26, 2014, 09:17:25 am
Does anyone have an opinion on something like a VW Crafter? Like this one: http://www.gumtree.com/p/campervans-motorhomes/vw-crafter-race-van-camper-motor-home-not-t5/1081227042 (http://www.gumtree.com/p/campervans-motorhomes/vw-crafter-race-van-camper-motor-home-not-t5/1081227042)

Which is also on ebay for £2500 more! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volkswaggen-Crafter-Camper-Race-Van-Motor-Home-T5-/111471027661?pt=UK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories&hash=item19f430e5cd (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volkswaggen-Crafter-Camper-Race-Van-Motor-Home-T5-/111471027661?pt=UK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories&hash=item19f430e5cd)

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Post by: SA Chris on September 26, 2014, 09:26:34 am
Well gumtree one says 8000 miles, which must be wrong, even the 90K on the ebay one seems low. Great looking conversion though.

Something odd with the ebay pics though; pics 10 and 11 both appear to be of the tailgate, but one shows a "garage" with a bike in it, and the other shows nothing??

From few accounts I've heard , fairly reliable, but slow and quite thirsty. I think good if you didn't intend doing lots of mileage, but tended more to spend a long time in one spot. IMO they are aren't the best looking vans, but that's just a personal thing.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: unclesomebody on September 26, 2014, 05:17:48 pm
I think a T5 might be touch too small and almost certainly too expensive as we'd want a pop top. Going straight to a fully converted van probably means some compromise on price and quality/style of finish, but it's going to be so much easier.

This isn't going to be used for many major trips. Maybe 2 euro trips and 10's of UK trips per year. I guess you're right about the compromise of wanting some big enough to be static in and small enough to be easily mobile in.

Thanks for the info!
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Post by: Adam Lincoln on September 26, 2014, 06:48:14 pm
LWB T5 Keith? Can get these a bit cheaper than a SWB as they aren't as sought after. Would buy you a bit more length. <ahem>
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Post by: tomtom on September 26, 2014, 07:13:12 pm

Does anyone have an opinion on something like a VW Crafter? Like this one: http://www.gumtree.com/p/campervans-motorhomes/vw-crafter-race-van-camper-motor-home-not-t5/1081227042 (http://www.gumtree.com/p/campervans-motorhomes/vw-crafter-race-van-camper-motor-home-not-t5/1081227042)

Which is also on ebay for £2500 more! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volkswaggen-Crafter-Camper-Race-Van-Motor-Home-T5-/111471027661?pt=UK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories&hash=item19f430e5cd (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volkswaggen-Crafter-Camper-Race-Van-Motor-Home-T5-/111471027661?pt=UK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories&hash=item19f430e5cd)

Bizarrely the eBay one is willing to post it to you for £6.75 :D
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Post by: unclesomebody on September 28, 2014, 03:16:26 pm
I'm not against a LWB T5 Pop top. I just don't think I could afford one! What I'm really keen to find is something that can sleep 2 people as well as store 2 bikes. I know this is just about possible in a regular T4 (bike upside down with wheel off) but it's not really ideal.

I'm going to take a look at the VW Crafter. Anything I should be looking out for? The guy converted it himself (he's a chippy). It currently doesn't have a fridge and I don't think it has an inverter so the 240v sockets don't work. How much would that stuff cost to add?

Advice very welcomed!
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Post by: Adam Lincoln on September 28, 2014, 05:45:34 pm


I'm going to take a look at the VW Crafter. Anything I should be looking out for? The guy converted it himself (he's a chippy). It currently doesn't have a fridge and I don't think it has an inverter so the 240v sockets don't work. How much would that stuff cost to add?

Advice very welcomed!

Fridge for waco cr50 or such like, about £450.
As for the 240v stuff, if it already has other electrics done, you could add 240v yourself for no more than £150, you are pretty handy with that sort of stuff....
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Post by: tomtom on September 28, 2014, 09:00:27 pm
I've a mini office fridge thing I pulled from a skip at work. 240 volt but yours if you want.
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Post by: SA Chris on September 29, 2014, 09:18:36 am
Anything I should be looking out for?

Check what it's registered as. Unless it's been re-registered as a "motor caravan" (I think), you are limited to 60mph on dual carriageways and motorways. This may have changed though.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: richieb on November 03, 2014, 07:02:06 am
Bit of a long shot but anyone got any knowledge on fitting roof rails to a T5? Specifically mitigating the risk of water leaking through the fittings?

I've already got thule bars and the fittings that attach bars to rails, so rather than get the footpack to fit the bars to the van I thought I may as well get some aftermarket rails (VW themselves don't make roof rails for transporters, only bars).

However, there is lots of talk on transporter forums about water leaking through the holes in the roof once you have removed the blanking bolts and replaced with roof rail fittings and various ideas to prevent this; tap washers, silicone sealant etc

Just wondered if anyone had any experience. Ta.

By the way Chris, as far as I know the lower speed limits for a van classed as commercial still apply. 50 in national speed limit single carriageway (not ideal on the A9!), 60 on dual carriageway and the full 70 on motorways.
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Post by: csl on January 03, 2015, 12:04:36 pm
Can anyone tell me if i shouldn't buy this van?

http://www.gumtree.com/p/campervans-motorhomes/mercedes-vito-108-cdi-campervan/1093963444 (http://www.gumtree.com/p/campervans-motorhomes/mercedes-vito-108-cdi-campervan/1093963444)

It seems like such a minefield and i'm struggling to make sense of what to go for!

I've got about 2k to spend ideally. Just looking for something to park next to sport crags for a month at a time or so. Not too bothered if it doesn't last forever, as i'd be spending the same in refugio's and campsites.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: tomtom on January 03, 2015, 01:58:17 pm
Can anyone tell me if i shouldn't buy this van?

http://www.gumtree.com/p/campervans-motorhomes/mercedes-vito-108-cdi-campervan/1093963444 (http://www.gumtree.com/p/campervans-motorhomes/mercedes-vito-108-cdi-campervan/1093963444)

It seems like such a minefield and i'm struggling to make sense of what to go for!

I've got about 2k to spend ideally. Just looking for something to park next to sport crags for a month at a time or so. Not too bothered if it doesn't last forever, as i'd be spending the same in refugio's and campsites.

I'd find a 1.8m bed too short.. but I am taller than the average hobbit ;)
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Post by: csl on January 04, 2015, 09:44:10 am
Good point! I should fit, but if not might have to sleep diagonally for comfort!
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Post by: SA Chris on January 04, 2015, 09:22:18 pm
Ad removed?? Did you get it?
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Post by: csl on January 04, 2015, 09:34:46 pm
Nope, they never returned my call. Lets hope i dodged a bullet?
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Post by: SA Chris on January 04, 2015, 09:51:38 pm
I never saw ad, but if it was too good to be true there was probably a mistake!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: csl on January 04, 2015, 10:08:30 pm
It was a Mercedes Vito with about 140,000 on the clock for £1650. Converted and re-reg'd as a camper.

I'm just finding it a little hard to get my head around whats shit and whats not. All i know is i can't afford a Transporter, i'm sort of leaning towards just getting a Transit and keeping my fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on January 04, 2015, 10:11:12 pm
Mate has got a Toyota Hi Ace and swears by it.

It's a minefield for sure. More so than car buying.
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Post by: Duma on January 04, 2015, 10:44:21 pm
it looked a grand too cheap to me, assuming it was was what it appeared.

I'd get a transit or similar. vivaro's are meant to be good, and don't carry any brand premium?
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Post by: Fultonius on January 05, 2015, 10:44:42 am
Vivaro's are decent. Driven them with work loads and they're pretty economical, drive ok and don't seem to break down any more than our T4...

Probably the best value "newer" design van around.
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Post by: Adam Lincoln on January 05, 2015, 04:57:49 pm
Vivaro's are decent. Driven them with work loads and they're pretty economical, drive ok and don't seem to break down any more than our T4...

Probably the best value "newer" design van around.

Not sure what year vans you drive but we have four 2013's and are the most horrific thing i have ever had the displeasure to drive. Horrendous van.
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Post by: Fultonius on January 07, 2015, 11:03:33 am
Vivaro's are decent. Driven them with work loads and they're pretty economical, drive ok and don't seem to break down any more than our T4...

Probably the best value "newer" design van around.

Not sure what year vans you drive but we have four 2013's and are the most horrific thing i have ever had the displeasure to drive. Horrendous van.

Actually, they were mainly Renault Traffics. Just from Cham to the airport and back. I also didn't ever deal with repairs and servicing.  They are more efficient, corner and brake better than the T4. 
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: kelvin on January 11, 2015, 09:19:09 pm
So picking up my new van on Saturday - the Berlingo was never going to work for 6 months in Spain but it had been to the Alps twice, made it as far as Italy and we managed 9 years and 111,000 miles together.

One Fiat Ducato purchased, a SWB to help with parking were I live, terraced areas are a nightmare in the evenings. Wanted one mainly due to the fact that they're 6ft 1in across in the back, enabling a bed to be widthways - lots more options that way even with only 8ft 8in in length.

(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1491656_10155075632995581_309725375505281234_n.jpg?oh=0f7d94c37760c0164fb390d353207092&oe=552E2D08)
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Post by: Duma on January 12, 2015, 10:59:14 am
they're 6ft 1in across in the back, enabling a bed to be widthways - lots more options that way even with only 8ft 8in in length.

 :2thumbsup:

this makes a massive difference and I loved my relay mainly for this reason
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Post by: rootask on January 12, 2015, 11:34:48 am
Mate has got a Toyota Hi Ace and swears by it.

It's a minefield for sure. More so than car buying.

I also have a Hiace and I'd thoroughly recommend it. Mechanically they're totally solid, the only draw backs on the older ones (prior to 03 I think) is that they're rear wheel drive and will get stuck in the mud very easily.

I'd recommend a LWB if you're going to be in it for any length of time, but that applies to any make/model.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Stewart on May 12, 2015, 05:56:56 pm
Hi folks,
Trawelled through a lot of this thread but i'm a complete van newb so looking for fresh suggestions. We're wanting to get a van that'll take us two plus a baby (safety obviously key for strapping baby in when travelling!) plus a mat or two and .. a couple of kayaks. So roof rack would be good but that is not so compatible with baby bed when he gets a little older (and no 2 comes along). A trailer might be the best option but i'm not hugely enthusiastic about that, might be a bit of a pain in the arse.

Any thoughts? T5/T4/bongo still the best option? Anyone have any similar campervan loadout?
cheers
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Post by: andy_e on May 13, 2015, 09:02:21 am
One of the Scouse lids was flogging his T5...

http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/volkswagen-transporter-t5-swb-19tdi/1115770198

Might be worth a look?
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Post by: SA Chris on May 13, 2015, 10:39:31 am
What do you mean when you say compatible with baby bed? You mean with a pop-up roof? We've got a roofrack on top of our Reimo pop-up roof on our T5, which is rated to 30 kgs, no idea how much a couple of kayaks weigh?

When we go away we usually have 2 kids, a bouldering pad (cold fit in two), surfboards on top and 2 1/2 bikes on the back, plus room for all the other crap. Gets easier once they can sleep in a bed, and you don't need to take a travel cot etc about.

As far as child safety goes, you should at least get a steel frame fold out bed, and preferably a crash tested one.

You can check ours out if you are in Aberdeenshire at any time.

We looked at Bongos intially but decided they were a bit poky for 4.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on May 25, 2015, 10:18:48 am
 Any drive away awning advice?

Got a Bongo and since the little one has got older, we could do with more space. Nice weather is fine but in the rain, it suddenly feels quite small in the van and my daughter is pretty physical and requires a lot of entertaining!

Don' want to spend a fortune but happy to spend on something decent as we'll hipefuy use it a lot. Is it a case of just googling or are there any things to look for that you find out after using one for a while.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on May 25, 2015, 11:08:15 am
We just use our big tent from pre-van days. Not sure the benefits to buying a specific piece of kit are worthwhile TBH.
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Post by: rodma on May 25, 2015, 12:16:03 pm
we just sika'd on some R-rail into the roof gutter of the van and stitched awning piping stuff onto the tarp so that we could have a dry area outside the van. cheap and easy (i didn't do the sewing) and would easily span over a tent too
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: kelvin on May 25, 2015, 12:25:14 pm
I think you've just solved one of the issues with my Ducato rodma - an annoying drip into the van from the side door being open after heavy rain. There's no side gutter... I hadn't thought to sika a piece of something along there.

Cheers.

So this week I invested in various types of insulation and also a Ctek D250s Dual battery charger. Spoke to a few people who exist off grid on trips and it seems to be very well liked. Managed to get it for £150 from a marine supplier, which is way under the budget I'd allowed.
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Post by: rodma on May 25, 2015, 12:47:16 pm
I think you've just solved one of the issues with my Ducato rodma - an annoying drip into the van from the side door being open after heavy rain. There's no side gutter... I hadn't thought to sika a piece of something along there.

Edit: not an original idea on my part---

---we did a lot of googling to work out what we needed for our t4 and how to do it. mrs rodma even stitched together mosi nets with magnets in so we could sleep with either the slidy door open, or just the window open, with the tarp keeping the rain off, which came in really handy
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: kelvin on May 25, 2015, 12:53:18 pm
Seems really obvious now - I'd been thinking of trying to fix something further back on the roof bar attachment points but I need to retain the use of them and was starting to get a bit stumped.

Magnets and mozzie netting sounds GENIUS  ;D That'd have saved me in Font last summer, that Camping La Prez side was full of the things.
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Post by: rodma on May 25, 2015, 01:03:39 pm
Seems really obvious now - I'd been thinking of trying to fix something further back on the roof bar attachment points but I need to retain the use of them and was starting to get a bit stumped.

Magnets and mozzie netting sounds GENIUS  ;D That'd have saved me in Font last summer, that Camping La Prez side was full of the things.
Haha
That's where we were all of 9 days ago

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/25/60a5980810e35f3d52fb73d81d795661.jpg)
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Post by: SA Chris on May 25, 2015, 01:09:03 pm
Magnets and mozzie netting sounds GENIUS  ;D That'd have saved me in Font last summer, that Camping La Prez side was full of the things.

We've got that setup. You can buy midge netting from here; http://www.midgie.net/ then close it into the front doors so it covers the windows and seal along the bottom with magnets (available from the fridge doors at any municipal recycling centre in any length you fancy).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: kelvin on May 25, 2015, 07:01:57 pm
Thanks - I've had mozzie netting before and it was utterly useless in Scotland against the midge and whilst I've no plans to be in Scotland ever again in midge season, it's better to have the protection against a load of out of season midge raiders.

Nice set-up with the tarp there too. I think that's the way to go probably.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on May 26, 2015, 08:53:45 am
You don't have to be in Scotland to get midged, I've been eaten in Northumberland, the Peak, Yorkshire and Wales.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on May 26, 2015, 09:51:30 am
We've currently got a standard roll out awning with no side which is great, until there is a slight breeze and then the rain just comes under it. For the odd night it's fine but we are think more of week long van trips. Also, the idea of a drice away awning means we can leave a load of stuff at the campsite and head off for the day in the van.

I'd considered just getting a big family tent but:


I'm a bit torn as I don't want an awning really (it feels as though I'm getting a step closer to being a carvan owner with every purchase like this....) but can really see the practical benefits. Setting the van up and having somewhere to dump the car seat, pram, daughters bike etc just makes so much sense.

Hmmmmm.

P.S. Any tips on getting an over excited 2yo to sleep in a van? She's got a cab bed and at 11.45pm was still peeking through the curtains happy as larry shouting "Mummy Daddy Party Time!". She loved the whole van thing but it left us all pretty sleep deprived.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: fatboySlimfast on May 26, 2015, 09:59:31 am
So after long weekend of campervan work  the sequel to the bongo  has begun......
Fiat scudo lwb, hi top 2012 which I can stand up in (yes I know im short) now with insulated floor, walls, covered floor and about to begin vapour barrier  & carpeting the walls. Then rooflights....eeek scary hole cutting

Electrics next week, thoughts on just 12v or include 240v as well? My conversion is fairly minimal and not looking at a fixed fridge, Ive already got a 240v lead used for camping and a camping fridge and would probably only use it with family tent . Lights, hob and a laptop/phone charger, propex(not sure yet) would be the only internal demands on the system. I dont want to have to cut another hole in the side as well.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on May 26, 2015, 10:03:29 am
Any tips on getting an over excited 2yo to sleep in a van? She's got a cab bed and at 11.45pm was still peeking through the curtains happy as larry shouting "Mummy Daddy Party Time!". She loved the whole van thing but it left us all pretty sleep deprived.

Wear them down! It's not the getting to bed that's the major problem for us, it's the parents staying up late with a few drinks and then getting woken up at first light.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: rodma on May 26, 2015, 08:55:50 pm
So after long weekend of campervan work  the sequel to the bongo  has begun......
Fiat scudo lwb, hi top 2012 which I can stand up in (yes I know im short) now with insulated floor, walls, covered floor and about to begin vapour barrier  & carpeting the walls. Then rooflights....eeek scary hole cutting

Electrics next week, thoughts on just 12v or include 240v as well? My conversion is fairly minimal and not looking at a fixed fridge, Ive already got a 240v lead used for camping and a camping fridge and would probably only use it with family tent . Lights, hob and a laptop/phone charger, propex(not sure yet) would be the only internal demands on the system. I dont want to have to cut another hole in the side as well.
We found the fridge to be the icing on the cake in our conversion. It was 27celcius at isatis a couple of weeks ago, so on returning to the van we were able to reward ourselves with ice creams :), then super chilled beers upon returning to camp.

Well that and being able to keep all the meat, cheese, milk etc. Good, so that we didn't have to go to the bloody supermarket all the time.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: tomtom on May 27, 2015, 01:30:09 am
Sure I've seen some pretty fancy 12v fridges...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: rodma on May 27, 2015, 06:37:58 am
Dearer than the fridge in rodma towers
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: GazM on June 13, 2015, 11:03:42 am
Sorry for the thread hijack, but the wife-to-be and I are hiring a van and planning a week of puntering round Devon and Cornwall after our wedding in September.  What's the sketch with overnight parking in carparks and laybys? We live up in the Highlands where it's pretty relaxed, but I'd imagine with the numbers of folk with vans these days it might be a bit harder in holiday honeypots like Cornwall? Are we better off using proper campsites?
Any recommendations for good sites or carparks?  Sea view, near good eateries and alehouses, perhaps a crag or two.  You know the score.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on June 13, 2015, 11:11:07 am
Not sure if this works in Cornwall but we have been known to ask if we can stay in the pub car park in return for imbibing their fine ales.  Never said no yet but watch for the coppers if you've over the limit as they can technically still do you for bwing in charge of the vehicle.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: kelvin on June 21, 2015, 03:45:25 pm
Woke up this morning to find someone had been in the van and gone through everything, glasses cases you name it - the only thing they took was a set of keys for my lock-up. I'm assuming they thought they might be keys to a house. They'd even removed the satnav from the glovebox but left it on the seat. Odd, really odd.

Anyways, when I could finally get in the lock-up to grab the insulation, I got going on the van. Self adhesive foil backed foam on the panels to kill the sound as much as anything else, covered by foiled bubble wrap initially and dacron in the pillars.

It's good to get started! Can't climb at the moment, bicipital tendonitis and the physio has banned me from lifting my arm above my head for a while. May as well make some use of the spare time but I don't think I can class this as training.

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Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: James Malloch on July 15, 2015, 08:39:33 am
Any tips for little vans? Like really little (berlingo, partner, caddy etc).

I'm after something small and cheap to insure that will still give a decent MPG.

My main question is what cut off would you apply for mileage for a used vehicle? I know it varies a lot but let's say it's in a good condition and has been well maintained/serviced throughout its life. Essentially I could spend up to about £3k but I'd prefer something upto about £2k if possible. Though it means you often either find an older van with sub 100k on the clock, or a newer van with more than 100k miles.

Any general thoughts would be appreciated and I under its entirely subjective...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: kelvin on July 15, 2015, 09:24:14 am
I used a berlingo for nine years and that had 167,000 on the clock when I got the Ducato this winter. Still running fine for my mate but it was serviced properly and things replaced at the first sign of trouble. The clutch went at 57,000 - just after I bought it but that's still fine. The Ducato has had a few niggles since I got it, 66,000 on the clock but I think I'm on top of them now.

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Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on July 15, 2015, 09:34:39 am
I always think diesels are better if you are looking at higher mileage, but not sure if this is just something in my mind or factual. I'd always go for older van with lower miles, and buy  the best you can afford.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bonjoy on July 15, 2015, 10:13:06 am
Here’s a tip for long term van owners, especially ones with larger vans. I got sick of feeling over a barrel every time I had to put the thing in for MOT, made worse by the fact that only a handful of garages are equipped to test large vans. It just seems like a scam when the garage that tests you also quotes for repairs in the knowledge that most folk lack the time and energy to shop around for extra quotes, it’s a classic captive market. This year I took it to the council transport depot in Darnell which primarily tests council stock and taxis, but is obliged by law to provide an MOT service to the public also. Crucially they don’t do repairs so have no vested interest in failing you so they can then quote you a load of costly work. If anything they have incentive to not fail you as it will encourage repeat business, which they welcome as it boost their revenue. I still failed but this time it was on minor stuff I knew already was at fault which I sorted out myself (replaced light strips at the back and rubbers on pedals) and it passed the free re-test no probs. Think I’ll take the car there next year too.
Also for MOTs. if you’re concerned that the van may fail on emissions you should run the vehicle for a decent distance straight before taking it in for test (12 miles is advised), this is known as an Italian tune-up and burns off excess carbon which might otherwise cause a fail.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: sjw on July 15, 2015, 01:50:08 pm


Any tips for little vans? Like really little (berlingo, partner, caddy etc).

I'm after something small and cheap to insure that will still give a decent MPG.

Me and the ladywoman manage fine in a Caddy with a bench seat/bed, although we've just bought a little drive away awning which helps for longer trips.

Some photos here (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/mostlysimon/library/Van%20Life?sort=6&page=1)

It's a 1.9tdi and I get 45-48mpg consistently, 50-52mpg on a long run.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: kelvin on September 24, 2015, 04:14:03 pm
So that's the electrics done and dusted - lights, charging facilities and nothing fancy. Got a solar panel to plug in when we're around the van as well. A week today, should be waking up in Font with eight months of climbing ahead of me. Cannae wait!

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12042627_10156097581495581_5241163561648529936_n.jpg?oh=a1c67f79e87fc9760fcd06e89a1c5705&oe=569E13B3)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: rodma on September 24, 2015, 05:30:41 pm
 :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on September 24, 2015, 06:03:29 pm
Your sparky skills are much superior to mine!

This year I took it to the council transport depot in Darnell which primarily tests council stock and taxis, but is obliged by law to provide an MOT service to the public also

Just tried that, Glasgow's test facility has a "fuck off and don't come knocking on our door" 16 week waiting list...  :o
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: kelvin on September 24, 2015, 08:21:56 pm
Your sparky skills are much superior to mine!



My housemate is a sparky!  :thumbsup:

Did everything else myself and pretty pleased in general. Looks good but it is a basic setup - lots of storage under a 6ft 1in x 4ft 6in bed across the back of the van, a cooker above those electrics and a two person bench seat for cooking stuff storage. Coolbox that can 12v on a long drive, three lights, charging points... don't need much more to be honest. I'll try and get a pic up this week.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: kelvin on September 24, 2015, 08:24:53 pm




Me and the ladywoman manage fine in a Caddy with a bench seat/bed, although we've just bought a little drive away awning which helps for longer trips.

Some photos here (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/mostlysimon/library/Van%20Life?sort=6&page=1)

It's a 1.9tdi and I get 45-48mpg consistently, 50-52mpg on a long run.

Looks great that does - nice conversion on a small van, not always easily achievable.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: kelvin on October 18, 2015, 01:06:33 pm
A NNFN for sure - after two weeks of settling in to van life, last night the van gave up the ghost. Engine died with resultant loss of brake servo and power steering... as we headed down a series of steep hairpins near Andorra. Next minute, the engine is revving its nuts off and I'm pretty sure it's some sort of throttle sticking thingy. Management light is on for the over fueling, next stop garage if we can limp there once the traffic dies this evening.

Wallet prepare to die.

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Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: fried on October 18, 2015, 01:27:43 pm
That's shit. Do you have any contacts in that part of the world?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: kelvin on October 18, 2015, 03:31:21 pm
No mate. There's a garage 2.4 miles down the road that the lady in the book shop recommended. I was buying a French/English dictionary :-) Not too sure how to say it's 'proper fucked' yet.

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Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: fried on October 18, 2015, 03:56:49 pm
You could try connacting John or Ann Arran at Chez Arran

Chez Arran  

Address: 5 Quartier de Bacquié, 09400 Ornolac
Phone:07 81 79 90 06

They're not far from Tarascon sur ariege. Thay've been down there a few years so they might know someone.

http://www.chezarran.com/

Good luck!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on October 18, 2015, 04:13:36 pm
No mate. There's a garage 2.4 miles down the road that the lady in the book shop recommended. I was buying a French/English dictionary :-) Not too sure how to say it's 'proper fucked' yet.

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Keep the faith, it might not be as bad as you fear.

We've got a real love/hate relationship with our van. When it goes well it's all good, but when you lose faith it's no fun. It has, so far, always turned out ok.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: kelvin on October 18, 2015, 04:18:58 pm
Cheers fella. If it'd broke in Tarascon a couple of days back, it would have been much easier or even in Barcelona where I have friends but here... the van is definitely a tempramental Italian female. I had started to think it was male and had contemplated calling it Barti but she seems to have had a hissy at that. Bridget it is!

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Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: fried on October 18, 2015, 04:22:07 pm
She fair purred along while I was in her :wub:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: kelvin on October 18, 2015, 04:51:00 pm
Obviously had a thing for your Belgian accent.


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Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on November 11, 2015, 03:22:06 pm
Yaay! Our van has been officially imported from France  to the UK (old S-reg) and at the same time changed to a Motor Caravan  woot woot!

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Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on November 11, 2015, 04:39:47 pm
Can it actually do 70? ;)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on November 11, 2015, 04:44:13 pm
km/h no worries  ;)  We've had it going faster than 150km/h on the Autobahn but since I do the work on the brakes I generally take it a bit easier these days...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on November 20, 2015, 12:03:59 am
Dealing with Insurance at the mo.

I see from earlier in the thread that quite a few people have insurance underwritten by Markerstudy (Adrian Flux, Brentacre etc.).

We have signed up with A-Plan insurance (through VW T4 forums) and when I was reading through the policy documents it seemed a bit light on info and then I realised they're based in Gibraltar. Are they even registered with the Financial Ombudsman?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: rodma on November 20, 2015, 07:44:43 am
Can't remember who we went through, but it wasn't one of those in the end. I'll dig out the details.

Breakdown cover through asda due to them being generally awesome (will repatriate you and your vehicle ) and they don't care if the vehicle is over 15 years old, which most other cheap providers count as the cutoff age. Have used them once in anger, they're like what green flag used to be in their early years
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: slackline on November 20, 2015, 07:49:18 am
If your vehicle is registered as "Motorhome" on your V5C you can get very competitive insurance through the Camping and Caravan club (without actually having to be a member).

Registierng a DIY Motor Caravan - www.gov.uk (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/412160/Registering_a_DIY_Caravan.pdf)

Club Care Insurance (http://www.clubcareinsurance.com/campervan-insurance)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on November 20, 2015, 08:16:49 am
The guy form A-Plan basically said we can't get "Camper" insurance, despite being register on the V5 as a Motorcaravan - because it our only vehicle.

Now, I get the logic in this - we use it more frequently so the risk is higher. But is there truth behind the logic?

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: slackline on November 20, 2015, 11:34:48 am
The guy form A-Plan basically said we can't get "Camper" insurance, despite being register on the V5 as a Motorcaravan - because it our only vehicle.

Now, I get the logic in this - we use it more frequently so the risk is higher. But is there truth behind the logic?

Mates are similar, their campervan is their only vehicle.  They've insured through Camping & Caravan club.  They don't drive locally round the city much at all (cycle and get veg/food shopping delivered), weekend/summer evenings out to Peak for climbing.

I think you have to state what your annual mileage will be (as I have had to with Adrian Flux, since my van doesn't yet qualify to get the V5C changed) and as long as you don't exceed that you should presumably be ok since the mileage is where the risk increases proportionally as you're spending more time on the road and what you're actually using it for is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on November 20, 2015, 11:40:47 am
I'll keep that in mind for next year. Cheers.

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Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: rodma on November 20, 2015, 12:49:21 pm
the reason we went with who we went with was all about cost, since neither mrs rodma or me have any no-claims bonus.

have checked and the broker we went through in the end was called Advanced. they were good and were happy that the van was in the process of being converted (they asked for progress photos which we continued to send them). it's really cheap annually, only about the same as the vehicle tax. they were cheaper by about 40 fuckalls or so.

it's now reregistered as a motorcaravan.

there is sound logic behind the "its your only vehicle therefore not a mororcaravan" argument. you may be able to demonstrate that you won't be using it for commuting (perhaps you take the bus, train and this won't change due to parking constraints etc.), doing grocery runs (get it delivered, use the local shops so don't need to) etc. etc.

we wanted to get more than the 8,000 mile allowance that came with the policy, but they said that would look suspicious. i was arguing that most of the rock was far enough away that it wouldn't take many weekends, combined with two trips to font, to quickly surpass the allowance. the real problem was that we put on loads of miles whilst carying out the conversion, otherwise 8,000 easily would have covered it

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Probes on November 20, 2015, 03:29:22 pm
T5 knowledge kings... Just a quick one to see if anyone has any pointers to look for.. mechanically wise.. when checking out T5's. I'm looking around 5 years old maybe 100k on the clock, probably unconverted.. Any advice greatly appreciated.

Also I will probably selling my T4 pretty soon, full custom conversion, 195k, R reg, total bomber van, loads done mechanically, just looking to upgrade.. please keep in mind if your looking  ;)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: rodma on November 20, 2015, 04:06:58 pm
T5 knowledge kings... Just a quick one to see if anyone has any pointers to look for.. mechanically wise.. when checking out T5's. I'm looking around 5 years old maybe 100k on the clock, probably unconverted.. Any advice greatly appreciated.

Also I will probably selling my T4 pretty soon, full custom conversion, 195k, R reg, total bomber van, loads done mechanically, just looking to upgrade.. please keep in mind if your looking  ;)

if you're looking to upgrade, why are you going for an inferior van  :jab:
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on November 20, 2015, 05:27:00 pm
Nothing apart from being produced by a bunch of deceitful bastards! :)

What engine you looking at? I've heard the 84BHP one is a bit sluggish, but can be improved with a remap. Ours is the 104 BHP and it runs well, but isn't shit of a stick fast like the 2.5. Be nice if it had a 6 speed box tbh.

Only prob we've had with ours is the remote key giving out and needing replacing a month outside of warranty.

Honest John is a good place for common faults

http://vans.honestjohn.co.uk/van-reviews/volkswagen/transporter-2003/?section=good
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on December 04, 2015, 07:57:51 pm
 :-[   New insurance = no breakdown cover...  (it used to be covered on our French insurance)

So, who covers old vans? It's a 1998.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: rodma on December 06, 2015, 12:33:29 pm
:-[   New insurance = no breakdown cover...  (it used to be covered on our French insurance)

So, who covers old vans? It's a 1998.
Asda breakdown cover, they also repatriate.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: tk421a on May 18, 2016, 12:38:21 am
Hey camping gurus, hope I'm posting in the right place
Looking for some reassurance or a whack over the head.  :chair:
I'm going road-trip climbing from August to October and February to April, mostly in the UK but also to Font or other euro destinations.
I'm likely to get hold of a family golf mk5 to use. I saw this, http://wonenineencamper.com/late-night-diy-40-euro-vw-golf-camper-early-morning-dieselgate/. Looks like a relatively quick job to get a flat platform, and I'm 5'9 so should fit.
Is sleeping in the back of that going to be miserable? I'm not planning on sleeping in it for many nights in a row, but want it to be a viable option if I go to Font for a few days for example.
What else would I need to do to make it more comfortable? Insulation on Windows. Camping light. Mattress topper or bouldering mats (not sure my Ocun dominator will fit lengthways, but organic full pad should be fine).

Thanks
Jeremy

P.s. I seem to have posted this on ukbouldering.net (which I got to via google), is that an old archived version of ukb?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Ali on May 19, 2016, 01:07:18 pm
:-[   New insurance = no breakdown cover...  (it used to be covered on our French insurance)

So, who covers old vans? It's a 1998.

Brittania Rescue cover our older van. It's not cheap but covers us for any vehicle (UK only I think) and includes long trips abroad for the van. Have used it a couple of times over the years and service was good.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on May 19, 2016, 01:22:48 pm
I'm likely to get hold of a family golf mk5 to use. I saw this, http://wonenineencamper.com/late-night-diy-40-euro-vw-golf-camper-early-morning-dieselgate/. Looks like a relatively quick job to get a flat platform, and I'm 5'9 so should fit.
Is sleeping in the back of that going to be miserable? I'm not planning on sleeping in it for many nights in a row, but want it to be a viable option if I go to Font for a few days for example.
What else would I need to do to make it more comfortable? Insulation on Windows. Camping light. Mattress topper or bouldering mats (not sure my Ocun dominator will fit lengthways, but organic full pad should be fine).


If you can afford it I would get something bigger, but if you are getting the car for cheap / free then needs must!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: 205Chris on July 04, 2016, 07:56:53 pm
Anyone got a drive away awning?

Looking to get one for my T5. Any recommendations? Current thinking would be a Vango airbeam.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on July 04, 2016, 08:39:14 pm
 I was too tight to pay for an inflatable one and now regret it. Mine is OK to put up, though a bit of a fight single handed in the rain but a total pain to take down without getting crushed. I've since used a friend's family camping tent with air poles and it knocks my awning into a cocked hat.

We have a Kampa Travel Pod mini. Our main concern was that it'd make the van feel enclosed so we're looking for one with a lot of windows and, despite my pitching whinge above, has been a really good buy. The extra space has been a god send with two kids and the ability to save a pitch and drive away is really handy.

They are a good buy but try to see it pitched so you get an idea of what you like. A couple we saw online were a bit rubbish in the flesh.

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on July 05, 2016, 12:32:30 pm
I used to have a Sunncamp Tourer drive away awning - spacious and really solid thanks to two poles that run along the length of the roof, great design

I could put it up fine on my own, but it took time

(http://i64.tinypic.com/jkyfc2.jpg)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: galpinos on July 05, 2016, 12:43:31 pm
My Kampa Travel Pod Mini:

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/48gqf9eoek0zf53/2015-06-29%2013.08.26.jpg?dl=0)

Not quite on the scale of Larger's megatent.....
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on July 05, 2016, 06:38:06 pm
I notice that the Sunncamp Tourer is now available in an inflatable version

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sunncamp-Tourer-Motor-Air-335-Drive-Away-Motorhome-Awning-/201524536595?hash=item2eebcc6513:g:ookAAOSwYmZXMx7~

obviously not exactly what I had, but based on my experience of the previous awning and a HUGE Sunncamp tent that we have, I'm considering buying one (when I get some cash)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: cjsheps on July 23, 2016, 09:56:29 am
Does anyone have experience with running an older transit? I'm about to buy my friend's converted Connect off him, but I'm a bit hesitant to sink four grand (~all my savings) into a potential money pit. It's an '04 1.8 Diesel with ~60,000 miles.

I've noticed that you don't see many transits older than '05 on the road - am I going to have a lot of rust problems like I had with my '04 Ka?

Thanks in advance for the advice,

Chris.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: 205Chris on July 25, 2016, 07:19:38 pm
Cheers for the awning advice all. Went with a Vango airbeam one which will get put to the test at Y Not festival this weekend.

Changing the subject, does anyone know a good garage for VWs in the Sheffield area? My T5 is currently crunching into second  :(
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on July 25, 2016, 07:33:42 pm
Autohaus Dolby (ring and speak to Matt).
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: 205Chris on August 21, 2016, 05:40:32 pm
Anyone got any knowledge on solar power? I'm thinking more along the lines of a plug in unit to top up the leisure battery rather than a full blown roof mounted off the grid system.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: kelvin on August 21, 2016, 05:50:28 pm
I actually bought a flexible 100w panel last year, I used to pop it outside the van on 5m cables on a rest day, or for an hour or so in the mornings. Aimed at the sun, it was amazing how much it could pull in. Rather than a Durite VSR, I bought a C-Tek Dual S for £150 ans that gave me the option to use a proper panel, as there is a MMPT controller built in. On the replacement van I bought this summer, I actually drilled the roof for the cables and stuck the panel on.
I think if you bother to get a 30w portable panel out of the van and aimed directly at the sun, moving it every half hour or so, you can gain a fair bit of power but if it's chucked on the dash and left for the day - it's anyone's guess what you'll pull in.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: kelvin on August 21, 2016, 06:09:40 pm
Got a few more bits to do to mine yet, a burner being the main piece but it's almost there. Just needs to stop breaking down now...

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14055196_10157356439765581_7059552686040746668_n.jpg?oh=8018bfec19a42f7a1386a78d263f01bc&oe=58541BAC)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Bencil on September 06, 2016, 03:50:57 pm
I'm going to Spain this winter and staying in the van (insulated vivaro.) Just wondering if it's worth getting a heater? Would probs go for a propex if needed.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: kelvin on September 06, 2016, 06:31:14 pm
I'm going to Spain this winter and staying in the van (insulated vivaro.) Just wondering if it's worth getting a heater? Would probs go for a propex if needed.

I did last winter there without a heater quite happily, even in Albarracin. If you're further south like Chulilla, Costa Blanca, El Chorro - you'll be plenty warm enough.
Title: T5 insurance
Post by: Motown on August 02, 2018, 02:56:20 pm
Just about to buy a 2013 T5. Ex RAC so in a subtle orange but seems to be in good condition. Can anyone recommend an insurance company for it in its panel van status - some months away from camper status.

Initial compare the market quotations were around the £750 mark so if anyone knows of anything lower. No no claims bonus as been out the country for five years, but also, no other insurance ‘issues’.

Thanks for any suggestions.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on August 02, 2018, 03:30:41 pm
Ring Brentacre:

http://www.brentacre.co.uk/
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Motown on August 02, 2018, 06:06:15 pm
Thanks. Read about them in this thread but thought they might have been just for conversions. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on August 03, 2018, 09:26:01 am
Is it not Paul B's old one? :)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: highrepute on August 03, 2018, 12:40:52 pm
We had our van insured as "will convert in 6 months" with Adrian Flux. I guess this might have made it cheaper.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Ali on August 03, 2018, 06:51:58 pm
We were given 6 months to convert by The Camping & Caravanning Club insurance (don't need to be a member). Cost was around £300 but that did include no claims discount
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: El Mocho on March 15, 2019, 02:15:58 pm
Looks like we have just committed to a van (at least I paid a deposit today...)

Transit Custom.

Not doing a full convert but going to do a few things. I'll look through this thread when I get chance but info on the following would be great if people have it handy...

Leisure battery - keen for this + more electrics in back - charging points (maybe for normal plugs as well??) extra lights in back. I'd be keen to do this myself/with a bit of help (in exchange for climbing gear)

Pop top roof - I like the look of the Austops roof, any other suggestions/info.

Whats current thinking on insulation? Both sound and heat? I used the wool type stuff on the old van years ago, just stuffed it into the cavities behind the panelling.

Pretty excited!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on March 15, 2019, 02:28:05 pm
Eco wool with some of that double sided foil bubblewrap stuff to keep it in place.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: a13c on March 15, 2019, 06:36:57 pm
Put some flashing tape in the middle of the panels under the insulation to deaden the noise. Made a huge difference to the road noise/vibrations when I was converting my t5.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Teaboy on March 25, 2019, 05:57:25 pm
Has anyone any experience of remapped camper vans, I'm principally interested in the difficulty and additional cost of insuring but also any pitfalls (asking in relation to a 2012 T5 which now produces 169bhp,no idea what it was originally).

Also, why are van engines generally so weedy in the first place? Is it to make the engines last longer?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: kelvin on March 26, 2019, 07:55:07 am
Has anyone any experience of remapped camper vans, I'm principally interested in the difficulty and additional cost of insuring but also any pitfalls (asking in relation to a 2012 T5 which now produces 169bhp,no idea what it was originally).

Also, why are van engines generally so weedy in the first place? Is it to make the engines last longer?

Lots of builder mates have done this, in various vans - the one issue for some of them is that the gearbox isn't able to cope with the extra power when the van is fully loaded.
If your camper is near the limit, I'd be cautious.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: a13c on March 26, 2019, 08:32:26 am
I had mine remapped to 160ish bhp, it's much nicer to drive now as it felt quite sluggish as a fully loaded camper. The economy is a little better, I get a similar mpg now driving everywhere at 70 as I used to (pre remap) driving at 60.
It made no difference to insurance costs which amazed me, 50% more power and no increase in cost...
You are correct they are underpowered to make the engine last longer.
My mechanic explained it as the remap will highlight any problems that were unnoticed at the original power output. Mine was fine for 6 months after the work then it blew a tappet and I needed a "top end rebuild" not cheap... I guess this was always waiting to happen but the lower output avoided it.
If I were to get another van I'd consider remapping to 140 ish, I gather this is a better compromise for power, engine life and economy.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: gme on March 26, 2019, 08:52:32 am
Has anyone any experience of remapped camper vans, I'm principally interested in the difficulty and additional cost of insuring but also any pitfalls (asking in relation to a 2012 T5 which now produces 169bhp,no idea what it was originally).

Also, why are van engines generally so weedy in the first place? Is it to make the engines last longer?

I would guess that it was originally 179bhp the same as my california on a 10 plate. I dont find mine weedy at all, far from it and i am not someone who plods about. I have never thought it needed more power even fully loaded with all the family and stuff.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on March 26, 2019, 09:23:29 am
Teaboy, to be clear, are you looking at buying one that has already been remapped?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Teaboy on March 26, 2019, 03:15:24 pm
Teaboy, to be clear, are you looking at buying one that has already been remapped?

Yes, it's a 2.0 TDI but no idea what it's original output was.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Teaboy on September 20, 2019, 07:37:18 pm
We have a VW T5.1 104bhp. Today we took it to get remapped and asked for 140bhp. They did it to 168bhp which I didn't want because of fears of it breaking stuff. They said they'd put it back down to 140 if we want but assured us there's negligible additional risk. Any thoughts on this? Anyone know if the 104 and 140 bhp T5 use the same parts (apparently the 170 uses two. turbos)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duncan campbell on September 21, 2019, 12:13:57 am
Looks like we have just committed to a van (at least I paid a deposit today...)

Transit Custom.

Not doing a full convert but going to do a few things. I'll look through this thread when I get chance but info on the following would be great if people have it handy...

Leisure battery - keen for this + more electrics in back - charging points (maybe for normal plugs as well??) extra lights in back. I'd be keen to do this myself/with a bit of help (in exchange for climbing gear)

Pop top roof - I like the look of the Austops roof, any other suggestions/info.

Whats current thinking on insulation? Both sound and heat? I used the wool type stuff on the old van years ago, just stuffed it into the cavities behind the panelling.

Pretty excited!

Relatively simple this sort of thing. I did it on my van earlier in the year. Think it gets tricky if your starter battery is in the engine bay. Mine is 7bder the drivers seat. Adding a 3 pin plug requires an inverter which eats battery juice.

I’m no genius but happy to help where I can/answer questions/etc.

Either get me on here or my girlfriend lives with Ryan and Maddie so I’m there when I’m not away working/Climbing
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: tomtom on September 21, 2019, 08:49:46 am
We have a VW T5.1 104bhp. Today we took it to get remapped and asked for 140bhp. They did it to 168bhp which I didn't want because of fears of it breaking stuff. They said they'd put it back down to 140 if we want but assured us there's negligible additional risk. Any thoughts on this? Anyone know if the 104 and 140 bhp T5 use the same parts (apparently the 170 uses two. turbos)

I’ve limited knowledge on this (and none on vans) but the main hit is on the clutch/gearbox and secondly things like driveshafts/cv joints etc... other stuff like engine mounts might not like increased power too. BUT this is all very model specific.

Had a friend who’s Saab turbo was remapped to 275 - and it Ate the clutch regularly. It also made the torque steer pretty unpleasant.

I’d have thought that your conservative 140 was fairly sensible... might be worth googling if remapping affects the life of the DPF too - as that’s an expensive component to Screw up.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: andy_e on October 10, 2019, 09:47:47 am
Whats current thinking on insulation? Both sound and heat? I used the wool type stuff on the old van years ago, just stuffed it into the cavities behind the panelling.

I'd like to echo the mocho's question. Looking to insulate my Caddy Maxi (no ply yet). What's the 411 yo?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: andy_e on October 11, 2019, 10:25:33 am
Also, does anyone else have an ex-British Gas Caddy Maxi? Any hints and tips for the fit out would be decent!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 11, 2019, 10:36:52 am
Eco wool behind the panels seems to be the most common option. Easy to put in, won't make you itch putting in, or afterwards.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: andy_e on October 11, 2019, 11:10:21 am
I read somewhere that it rots easily though...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 11, 2019, 11:22:44 am
I think ours has been in for over 12 years, I've not seen any evidence.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: teestub on October 11, 2019, 11:24:54 am
I used this stuff https://www.dodomat.com/products/dodo-thermo-van-liner over a sound deadening layer.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: andy_e on October 11, 2019, 11:29:36 am
I think ours has been in for over 12 years, I've not seen any evidence.

Ha, fair enough!

I used this stuff https://www.dodomat.com/products/dodo-thermo-van-liner over a sound deadening layer.

Cheers Tim!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: SA Chris on October 11, 2019, 11:40:15 am
We don't sleep in  ours much though, if we did, there could be a lot more condensation and damp, so it might be a different story in another vehicle.,
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: andy_e on October 11, 2019, 01:04:21 pm
I used this stuff https://www.dodomat.com/products/dodo-thermo-van-liner over a sound deadening layer.

This dead mat stuff or something similar? https://www.dodomat.com/products/dodo-van-kit?_pos=3&_sid=12f4091b6&_ss=r
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: teestub on October 11, 2019, 01:12:30 pm
yeah looked similar to that.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: andy_e on October 11, 2019, 01:13:13 pm
 :2thumbsup: ta
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: andy_e on October 14, 2019, 08:47:03 am
Sorry, one more question... Did you put the sound deadening layer everywhere or just 50% coverage like the web page recommends?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: andy_e on October 14, 2019, 07:29:25 pm
What do people do for beds? Currently thinking thickish mattress topper over bouldering mats might be a good shout.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: teestub on October 14, 2019, 07:39:33 pm
Sorry, one more question... Did you put the sound deadening layer everywhere or just 50% coverage like the web page recommends?

I did more than that, most of the available surface, probably a bit overkill!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: andy_e on October 14, 2019, 07:40:24 pm
Haha, cheers. I decided in the end to order an extra roll and go for a bit of overkill too!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on October 31, 2019, 08:09:31 am
Looks like we have just committed to a van (at least I paid a deposit today...)

Transit Custom.

Not doing a full convert but going to do a few things. I'll look through this thread when I get chance but info on the following would be great if people have it handy...

Leisure battery - keen for this + more electrics in back - charging points (maybe for normal plugs as well??) extra lights in back. I'd be keen to do this myself/with a bit of help (in exchange for climbing gear)

Pop top roof - I like the look of the Austops roof, any other suggestions/info.

Whats current thinking on insulation? Both sound and heat? I used the wool type stuff on the old van years ago, just stuffed it into the cavities behind the panelling.

Pretty excited!

My big tip for van electric would be to install a DC-DC charger rather than a split charge relay, these days you canget them with a built in solar charge controller. Reasons:

E.G:  https://midsummerenergy.co.uk/buy/MPPT-solar-regulators/CTEK-20A-12V-dc-dc-battery-smart-charger

Having owned a self built van for 7 years, I'm not totally sold on the idea of using wool insulation. We used recycled plastic rockwool, but if I did it again I'd probably go for something solid so that some airflow can get in a make sure all the cavities get to dry out once in a while.

I can imagine wool getting damp and smelly...but...if others have done it and been happy, then it's maybe ok?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Motown on October 31, 2019, 02:20:10 pm
Having owned a self built van for 7 years, I'm not totally sold on the idea of using wool insulation. We used recycled plastic rockwool, but if I did it again I'd probably go for something solid so that some airflow can get in a make sure all the cavities get to dry out once in a while.

I can imagine wool getting damp and smelly...but...if others have done it and been happy, then it's maybe ok?
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What ‘solid’ stuff would you use?

Thanks
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on November 05, 2019, 09:17:42 pm
The non-eco version would be something like kingspan, but I'm sure there are versions that are better for the environment. Maybe recycled cork?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: reeve on December 06, 2019, 11:07:30 am
Hi everyone. I'm having some trouble deciding what size van to buy, so I'm hoping for some thoughts based on experience.

Quick background. Intended use: daily commute (10 miles / 25 minutes each way), regular weekend climbing trips and a couple of fortnight trips to Europe each year for me and my girlfriend.
My priorities: economy / low emissions (the environment innit), the ability to leave it idling in a car park for 45 minutes without being advised of dickish behaviour (that one isn't serious).

Valuing economy has pushed me towards a caddy maxi or similar. So the crux of it is, will regularly sleeping in such a van be a pain in the ass? Will I regret not getting something the next size up (like a Peugeot expert or Nissan nv200 for example)? Obviously getting something larger will compromise the economy but am I trying to go too far in the direction of sacrificing the comfort of larger vans?

My second question is about how much to spend. Given that electric vans currently do not have adequate range, what is the risk of this changing in the next five years and diesel becoming obsolete to the point that anything I buy today will depreciate in value much faster than expected? Obviously I don't want to spend loads on something that has completely lost its value in five years time.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Stuart Anderson on December 06, 2019, 11:15:25 am
I've got a Caddy Maxi, ex- British Gas. I had windows put in the side loading doors. Retro-fitted seats which fold flat (I've got two youngsters) . Built shelves and a base in the back then when I fold the seats down gives me a large area to sleep on.

I looked at other vans such as you mentioned. There wan't actually that much more room when I was in it (rather than just going off manufacturers volume sizing). I had a Toyota Hiace before which was obviously more roomy but not massively so in the headroom dept.

The NV200 felt like it was made from tin foil. The new Expert types do look solid though.

As for living in it? I work away lots and it's fine. Admittedly I'm solo but for your intended use it beats a tent.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on December 06, 2019, 11:43:34 am
Currently in spain for the winter in my lwb sprinter. Its not built with the best use of space and have mates with smaller vans that are laid out better for a climber. Mine has a huge storage space in back which i dont need. Also shower and toilet thats never needed.

When i come back ill be downsizing to something like the fiat ducato sized vans. Probably lwb. Obviously other manufacturers make identical vans so again, citroen and peugot variants also perfect.

The key is being able to sleep across the van and also the bed being fixed. Obviously being able to stand is a must.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on December 06, 2019, 12:02:21 pm
Sleeping across the van seems like sh*t beta to me. I'm far from the tallest person but having a bed that was compromised (my Ford Econoline thing) was really annoying. Two mates recently fitted their bed across their van and after the first weekend of use changed it.

Apart from the need to sterilise the van from your 'expeditions' I think I'm going to start following you around buying your vehicles the amount you change!

Quick background. Intended use: daily commute (10 miles / 25 minutes each way), regular weekend climbing trips and a couple of fortnight trips to Europe each year for me and my girlfriend.
My priorities: economy / low emissions (the environment innit), the ability to leave it idling in a car park for 45 minutes without being advised of dickish behaviour (that one isn't serious).

Valuing economy has pushed me towards a caddy maxi or similar. So the crux of it is, will regularly sleeping in such a van be a pain in the ass? Will I regret not getting something the next size up (like a Peugeot expert or Nissan nv200 for example)? Obviously getting something larger will compromise the economy but am I trying to go too far in the direction of sacrificing the comfort of larger vans?

My second question is about how much to spend. Given that electric vans currently do not have adequate range, what is the risk of this changing in the next five years and diesel becoming obsolete to the point that anything I buy today will depreciate in value much faster than expected? Obviously I don't want to spend loads on something that has completely lost its value in five years time.

I've not owned anything bigger than a T4 (in Europe) with a pop top but I think  something of that size would suit what you've mentioned best. I found my Caddy (not a maxi) compromised in many ways. It's fine until it rains (where are you going to cook?) and then there's just no space with two people. For me they're car camping where you sleep in the car.

I haven't looked so perhaps someone can help here, is there any evidence that a new electric vehicle has less environmental impact (cradle to grave) than buying a second-hand (already exists) vehicle and running it to the end of its life (late-adopted adult to grave)?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: reeve on December 06, 2019, 01:58:55 pm
Thanks for your replies guys.

Adam: although I can see that being able to stand up would be fairly essential if you're loving on the been for a season, this isn't what I'm going to be using mine for and so the extra size rules this out for me.

Paul: re cooking, one caddy maxi I've seen had a bench seat across the width (folds out into a bed) and a table for cooking which folds down in front of this bench. To me this looks like enough room for cooking, but as you've been dissatisfied BV with a caddy (not maxi), does that sound like it weeks work to you? Of course, do say so if you think I'm fooling myself about this

Stuart: what's your experience of space to cook or hang out if it's wet? Nice and cosy or intolerably claustrophobic?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: sdm on December 06, 2019, 02:47:22 pm
Sleeping across the van seems like sh*t beta to me. I'm far from the tallest person but having a bed that was compromised (my Ford Econoline thing) was really annoying. Two mates recently fitted their bed across their van and after the first weekend of use changed it.

It would be shit beta for the average height person in any van except the Ducato and other Sevels. They can fit a full length double bed sideways without having to compromise insulation. None of the other vans are wide enough to do this.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Stuart Anderson on December 06, 2019, 02:59:30 pm
Thanks for your replies guys.


Stuart: what's your experience of space to cook or hang out if it's wet? Nice and cosy or intolerably claustrophobic?

Going to try the impossible. Describe a 3d layout...

Barn doors looking through to the driver area:

2+1 split rear passenger seats that folds flat or can be put forward or taken out completely. I have on occasion taken out the single rear.

Left hand side (about 80cm wide) self built wooden bench which is flush height wise to the folded seats.

Blank middle section approx. 50cm wide, allows access to stacker boxes under the bench.

Right side - work van shelves (ply) bought off ebay. This has had a hinged flap which acts as a table/cooking platform. The shelves hold all sorts - food, kit.

I spend about 150 nights a year in it up to a week at a time. I have a tarp which goes over the barn door (takes 30 seconds to put up), and a larger tarp and poles if I'm static, which goes on the side.

I should have just uploaded a picture.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Stu Littlefair on December 06, 2019, 03:07:01 pm
We’ve got a berlingo with a boot jump. Bennett’s description of car camping has some truth to it, but is too pessimistic for a small van with a good setup.

The table and chairs setup allows you to cook simple meals indoors if it’s foul, or in low wind you can cook under the tailgate in the worst of weather.

It’s comfy enough to fester in for a day or two in bad weather, but there isn’t much space and getting stuff in and out of storage is an operation.

For us, and for regular weekend use and a couple of weeks abroad each year, it’s perfect. You’re welcome to have a gander if you like.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Paul B on December 06, 2019, 05:46:04 pm
We’ve got a berlingo with a boot jump. Bennett’s description of car camping has some truth to it, but is too pessimistic for a small van with a good setup.

The table and chairs setup allows you to cook simple meals indoors if it’s foul, or in low wind you can cook under the tailgate in the worst of weather.

Pessimistic? I've never been called that before  :tumble: In all honesty I'd imagine Reeve would be far more positive about the compromises involved.

We lived in my Caddy for an awesome month+ in Pembroke and the main driver for us downsizing initially was commuting (Sheffield to Leeds daily) with a pop-top T4 complete with a kitchen which seemed ridiculous. However, I found that the Caddy wasn't better to drive than my 2.5TDI T4 and with less glass in it, was more of a pain to manoeuvre/drive in general. I didn't notice any massive saving in fuel economy either (1.9TDI). Costs of T4/5/6s seem complete madness to me these days (#VanLife?) which could obviously be a limiting factor.

We could/did cook underneath the tailgate etc. but as Stu mentioned, in general you'll find yourself moving stuff around to get to other things (especially if you take a pad for any reason). Even with a welded platform bed, there wasn't much headroom (it's a balance between storage/foam/headroom) and ours didn't have any way of spinning the passenger seat so this was somewhat wasted space. Even a T4 sized vehicle feels fairly cramped if the weather is sh*te.

I recently had a Pug Rifter on holiday (a cycling holiday of all things) and it really impressed me given it fit three adults, all our luggage, 3 bikes (both wheels on all) and a weeks worth of food shopping. It also drove really well.

If you want to message me on FB or send me a WhatsApp message I can quickly forward you some photos of the Caddy as I did the same recently for someone else. I was really proud of the level of finish on the conversion TBH.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: reeve on December 06, 2019, 07:16:17 pm
Going to try the impossible. Describe a 3d layout...
...
I should have just uploaded a picture.

Nice one, cheers Stuart. Good describing!


Pessimistic? I've never been called that before  :tumble: In all honesty I'd imagine Reeve would be far more positive about the compromises involved.
Beat me to it!  ;)  Positive re-frame: it's because you've got very high standards Paul

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We could/did cook underneath the tailgate etc. but as Stu mentioned, in general you'll find yourself moving stuff around to get to other things (especially if you take a pad for any reason). Even with a welded platform bed, there wasn't much headroom (it's a balance between storage/foam/headroom) and ours didn't have any way of spinning the passenger seat so this was somewhat wasted space. Even a T4 sized vehicle feels fairly cramped if the weather is sh*te.
This doesn't bother me at all, but I'm quite organised. Marie, who could lose herself in an empty room - is far more concerned about organising the storage and always having to be rearranging things to find something.


For us, and for regular weekend use and a couple of weeks abroad each year, it’s perfect. You’re welcome to have a gander if you like.

Thanks Stu. I might take you up on this.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: petejh on June 13, 2020, 01:28:58 pm
Random question: does anyone here know where I might be able to find a single front passenger seat for a Peugeot Expert 2017. It's to replace the bench seat with a single seat on a swivel plate. Having trouble finding anything from breakers - plenty of replacement bench seats but no singles. Wondering if a single seat from one of the Expert variants would fit - Traveller / Spacetourer etc..?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: cheque on June 14, 2020, 09:17:35 am
eBay?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: petejh on June 14, 2020, 05:47:40 pm
There are a couple of single passenger seats from Citroen Spacetourers or Peugeot Travellers on ebay, but the compatibility chart thing says they aren't compatible with an Expert van. Which seems strange given they're the same base vehicle. Perhaps different fixing points..
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: tomtom on June 14, 2020, 06:14:19 pm
One that in the good old days you could go to a big scrapper with a tape measure and check for yourself... :(

Must be something on a forum somewhere about this...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: dontfollowme on June 14, 2020, 07:37:47 pm
Could give http://www.findapart.co.uk/ a try?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duma on September 24, 2020, 12:52:20 pm
Looking for some legal advice re speed limits...

Got a Notice of intended prosecution the other day - doing 69 on a dual carrigeway.

The van (MWB sprinter) has had its registration amended so the body type on the V5c is now Motor Caravan.
As such I believe it should be subject to the same speed limits as cars - (Motorhomes or motor caravans (not more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight)) (https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits)
However the police are saying that speed limits are from the "vehicle category" - on the V5c, which is N1. This is basically unchangable and set when first registered. (Cars and Motorhomes converted from new are M1)

Literally everything I can find from online forums etc says this is wrong, and its the body type that should count - there's a several instances of these getting dropped when challenged, however the police are holding their line with me...
Does anyone have any official/legal knowledge on this? I really don't want to cave in if they're wrong, but...
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on September 24, 2020, 01:19:13 pm
Absolutely everything ive read, and from everyone i know that has campervans, and has changed them on logbook, understand it to be down to what its classed as on logbook. So campervan class is 70mph.

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duma on September 24, 2020, 01:29:53 pm
Absolutely everything ive read, and from everyone i know that has campervans, and has changed them on logbook, understand it to be down to what its classed as on logbook. So campervan class is 70mph.

But there is no "campervan class"

There's "Body Type" (for mine this has been changed to "motor caravan")

There's "Taxation Class" (this says "light goods vehicle")

and There's "Vehicle Category" (which is N1)

The police are saying its the "Vehicle Category" that counts. (but this is set at first registration and can't be changed I believe)
This would seem to be in contradiction to this, which I found on the Caravan club site:

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In the UK, according to The Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, motor caravans are subject to the same speed limits as passenger cars unless they exceed 3050kg unladen weight.

The Act also states that “motor caravan” has the same meaning as in Regulation 2(1) of the Motor Vehicles (Type Approval) (Great Britain) Regulations 1979.

In this Regulation it states: ' “motor caravan” means a motor vehicle which is constructed or adapted for the carriage of passengers and their effects and which contains, as permanently installed equipment, the facilities which are reasonably necessary for enabling the vehicle to provide mobile living accommodation for its users'
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Adam Lincoln on September 24, 2020, 01:37:44 pm
Absolutely everything ive read, and from everyone i know that has campervans, and has changed them on logbook, understand it to be down to what its classed as on logbook. So campervan class is 70mph.

But there is no "campervan class"




Sorry rushed my reply, yes motorhome is the class, or at least what i understand to be what counts. I am with you on this you dont need to convince me....
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: remus on September 24, 2020, 01:55:29 pm
If you're feeling keen you can browse the legislation here https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/27/contents

Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: danm on September 24, 2020, 05:28:54 pm
OK, I was bored and read it. Looks like you're fucked if unladen weight exceeds 3.05 tonnes even if you've re-registered as a motor caravan. It makes sense if the vehicle category relates to the unladen weight, as this won't change?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duma on September 24, 2020, 05:35:54 pm
The unladen weight doesn't exceed  3.05 tonnes.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duma on September 24, 2020, 05:45:43 pm
The policeman I'm emailing is claiming that the speed limits come from the the vehicle category. I'm 99% sure this is not true. A motor caravan that fits the definition I quoted earlier, and less than 3.05 tonnes unladen weight, should be subject to the same limits as a car.

The confusion comes from the fact that its been converted, but the dvla don't change the vehicle category (N1 or M1) when you get the registration updated.

What makes me really angry is that although I'm right, it's probably not worth going to court, and the situation for converted campers is unclear enough that I can't get this guy I'm corresponding with to understand.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: 205Chris on September 24, 2020, 06:03:44 pm
Can you ask the policeman to provide evidence of why he believes that (reference to relevant part of the law etc).

I've got a converted van under 3T classified as a MH and have always been of the belief car speed limits applied. Would be interested to know for sure if I'm in the wrong.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: gollum on September 24, 2020, 08:02:14 pm
My understanding is that any vehicle that was able to have the logbook changed applied the speed limits associated with that vehicle and that the change last year was to prevent the change to the vehicle type, which then meant that the speed limits for vans apply.
Logic would suggest that the change in how a vehicle was registered, means that you are absolutely right that it doesn’t apply in your case, as the vehicle has changed previously.
Generally speaking changes to legislation do not apply retrospectively.
Interesting, insurers seem not bothered in the slightest by the changes and finance companies aren’t that concerned either.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duma on September 24, 2020, 08:33:00 pm
Hi gollum, what do you mean by the change last year?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: gollum on September 24, 2020, 08:41:45 pm
DVLA changed the rules last year for changing the type of vehicle to be classified as a camper last October, although mine couldn’t be changed in September.

Effectively meant that conversions are unlikely to be changed, as one of the criteria is a high top.

 
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/converting-a-vehicle-into-a-motor-caravan/converting-a-vehicle-into-a-motor-caravan
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: 205Chris on September 24, 2020, 09:52:35 pm
The DVLA changed the rules last year that made it much more difficult to classify a van (like a T5/6, Transit or similar) as a motorhome. The rule change has no effect if your vehicle had already had the logbook changed.

For what it's worth my V5 states Motor Caravan with vehicle category N1.

For speed limits I use: https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

On that webpage it lists the speed limits for Motor Caravans

I'd argue that if your V5 states Motor Caravan and you weren't exceeding the limit stated on the gov website for a Motor Caravan then you're in the right.

For me the policeman needs to do more than 'claim' speed limits come from motor category and instead show you evidence of where this is the law.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: lagerstarfish on September 25, 2020, 08:13:57 am
from

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/converting-a-vehicle-into-a-motor-caravan/converting-a-vehicle-into-a-motor-caravan

"The body type does not affect the insurance category of the vehicle, or have any effect on speed limits or other legislative requirements. It is only used for establishing vehicle appearance and identification."
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duma on September 25, 2020, 09:54:32 am
Yes, but:
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In the UK, according to The Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, motor caravans are subject to the same speed limits as passenger cars unless they exceed 3050kg unladen weight.

The Act also states that “motor caravan” has the same meaning as in Regulation 2(1) of the Motor Vehicles (Type Approval) (Great Britain) Regulations 1979.

In this Regulation it states: ' “motor caravan” means a motor vehicle which is constructed or adapted for the carriage of passengers and their effects and which contains, as permanently installed equipment, the facilities which are reasonably necessary for enabling the vehicle to provide mobile living accommodation for its users'

so while having your logbook changed doesn't technically do anything - converting the vehicle does (the "or adapted" bit above) - and since to get your logbook changed you need to provide evidence of it being
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adapted for the carriage of passengers and their effects and which contains, as permanently installed equipment, the facilities which are reasonably necessary for enabling the vehicle to provide mobile living accommodation for its users
this is basically the same thing.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duma on September 25, 2020, 10:02:12 am
tbh, and I don't mean to sound ungrateful, but unless anyone has actually been through this situation, or has links to case law etc that could show a definitive answer, I don't think going back over something which has been covered ad infinitum on the t4 forums and many others is going to add anything.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on September 25, 2020, 12:02:30 pm
There are plenty of forums (pepitoo?? Or something similar?) that can help with this kind of thing.

If it was in Scotland I'd imagine the procurator fiscal wouldn't prosecute if you chose to go to court, not sure in England.

I've been driving at bang on 60 on the A9 for years (Ave speed cameras) and never had a. Ticket, we'd be 50mph if we weren't, so bound to have had a ticket by now.

2 of the guys at work have been caught out in the past as our work vans (Peugeot partners) are taxed commercially, and therefore subject to the lower "van" speed limits.

I would be fairly sure the police don't have a clue what the law actually is (no offence meant to policemen, but it's a nightmare keeping up with all the changes.)
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Duma on October 08, 2020, 04:16:20 pm
Follow up: the email exchange basically came to a stalemate, in the end I ran out of time so had to return the form (drivers details etc) to stay within the 28 day limit. I included a covering note stating it was a motor caravan of less than 3.05 tonnes and therefore not subject to the reduced speed limits. Wasn't expecting much after the email exchange, but got a letter today confirming they'd dropped it!

YYFY!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: tomtom on October 08, 2020, 04:45:48 pm
Result! Duma 1 : System 0.
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: gollum on October 08, 2020, 04:54:41 pm
Good stuff!!!!!
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: andy_e on October 14, 2020, 10:32:56 am
Looking into ways of powering my laptop for (even more) remote working. Has anyone on here gone about this? I'm thinking leisure battery (also possibly solar charger) with a laptop car charger (that I already own). My laptop is a bit of a hefty unit, how long could I expect from one charge roughly?
Title: Re: Camper Van knowledge
Post by: Fultonius on October 14, 2020, 01:13:14 pm
Recently chucked a 100W solar panel on the van (£125). Laptop charger is about 80W probs at full power, but most of the time a lot less. You're going to need an absolute minimum of 32ah "available" capacity (which means a 64ah battery, as you don't want to regularly go below 50%), say, 50W average load over 8 hours to get a full day of use if it's raining etc.

For re-charging, 2 hours driving would get you about 40ah (well, likely less due to losses etc.). Solar will get you 5amps (assuming 100w panel), so 5ah/hr. i.e. 5 hours charging would put 25ah into the battery (assuming you're not simultaneously using power....)

You'd need solar controller. Our relay (VSR) had died, so we upgraded to a CTEK DC-DC charger & solar controller seems to get about 10% more capacity out the batter which is nice! Not cheap at £220 but a great bit of kit.

What's your laptop's power supply rating?  It's kind of hard without measuring your actual current draw to guess what your average consumption is. You could check your laptop batter capacity and then work it out from how long it normally takes to discharge...
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Post by: tomtom on October 14, 2020, 02:51:32 pm
(and add in a hefty percentage (20-40%) for losses in charging the laptop...
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Post by: andy_e on October 14, 2020, 05:28:54 pm
According to this (https://www.cnet.com/products/lenovo-z51-70-15-6-core-i7-5500u-4-gb-ram-1-tb-hdd-us-80k601crus/), it has a 32Wh battery and 65 Watt, 20 V, 3.25 A power adapter output  :shrug:

On a leisure battery, if it has 200 cycles, is that 200 times from full to no power before it needs replacing?
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Post by: remus on October 14, 2020, 05:36:14 pm
Looking into ways of powering my laptop for (even more) remote working. Has anyone on here gone about this? I'm thinking leisure battery (also possibly solar charger) with a laptop car charger (that I already own). My laptop is a bit of a hefty unit, how long could I expect from one charge roughly?

I've got a solar setup on my van which I mainly use for charging my laptop (plus a few LED lights and a small water pump). Laptop car charger is a good shout as using an inverter to power a standard mains charger is typically pretty inefficient. In terms of the solar, I've got a ~200w panel with ~240Ah of battery capacity which is about enough for doing a few weeks remote work in the UK from march to october kinda time.

What sort of spec you go for depends on how much use you want to get out of it. If you're just going to be doing the occasional charge while away on weekends you can get away with a pretty slim setup, but if you're going to use it a lot or you want to work in your van through the depths of scottish winter then you'll want to overspec it quite a bit (both in terms of the panel and the battery). Bear in mind that the performance of your leisure battery will degrade over the course of a few years so it's worth adding some capacity to account for this. As was mentioned you also dont want to discharge the leisure battery below 50% capacity.

Solar panels themselves are relatively cheap but bear in mind you'll need a charge controller. I bought all my solar parts from these guys who were really good https://www.bimblesolar.com/
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Post by: Fultonius on October 14, 2020, 06:19:10 pm
According to this (https://www.cnet.com/products/lenovo-z51-70-15-6-core-i7-5500u-4-gb-ram-1-tb-hdd-us-80k601crus/), it has a 32Wh battery and 65 Watt, 20 V, 3.25 A power adapter output  :shrug:

On a leisure battery, if it has 200 cycles, is that 200 times from full to no power before it needs replacing?

You should always try to avoid going to no power. Aim for sticking between 50% and 100% or you'll quickly kill it. Your 200 cycles is likely to mean 200 cycles at 50% depth of discharge. You might get 60 cycles at 100% DoD.

Google says your laptop is likely to last 4 hours on battery. 32wh @ 12v = 1.6ah for a full charge. That also means the average power consumed would be 32wh / 4 hours = 8 watts. That seems very low, so if you're doing anything demanding I'd expect that to at least double, if not tripple. Lets assume 32 watts to be safe.

32watts, running 8 hours = 21 ah. (42ah battery required, plus maybe 50% for losses etc.)

Is this actually a campervan? Do you want any other electrics? Lights, mobile phones, fridge?
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Post by: andy_e on October 14, 2020, 06:37:03 pm
Is this actually a campervan? Do you want any other electrics? Lights, mobile phones, fridge?

No, it's just a weekender van, all my lights in it run off battery, and my radio supercharges my phone when I'm driving, so it would just be to power a laptop for a day or two here and there. I might park the solar idea for now.

Anyone got any decent leisure battery recommendations?
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Post by: tomtom on October 14, 2020, 06:58:25 pm
Would have thought your van battery was good enough for the odd charge. Esp if you drove in between - or charged up yer laptop while driving somewhere etc... most newish laptops don’t use that much juice...
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Post by: andy_e on October 14, 2020, 07:03:50 pm
Yeah potentially, but I'm thinking of sitting on it for an 8 hour day and I don't want to come to switch on the engine to discover I've got nae juice and have to walk 16 miles to the nearest croft to ask for a dig oot.

Laptop battery only lasts 1.5-2 hours when I'm doing GIS/writing papers/making figures so ideally need to keep it plugged in.
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Post by: teestub on October 14, 2020, 07:19:21 pm
...I've got nae juice
... ask for a dig oot.


Andy you’ve been in Scotland 10 minutes 😂
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Post by: andy_e on October 14, 2020, 07:53:05 pm
Physically, perhaps! Mentally I've been there for years...
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Post by: Duma on October 14, 2020, 08:31:05 pm
If you'll charge the leisure from the van check if the engine is euro6. Simple relay charger is OK for euro5 but newer engines need smarter chargers (=more £)
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Post by: Fultonius on October 14, 2020, 08:44:58 pm
If you'll charge the leisure from the van check if the engine is euro6. Simple relay charger is OK for euro5 but newer engines need smarter chargers (=more £)

True that. Those CTEK ones work on Euro 6.
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Post by: andy_e on October 14, 2020, 08:46:35 pm
It's a 2013 caddy, so probably euro5?
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Post by: Duma on October 14, 2020, 10:06:08 pm
Yeah 2013 will be fine i think
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Post by: turnipturned on October 15, 2020, 03:38:05 pm
If you'll charge the leisure from the van check if the engine is euro6. Simple relay charger is OK for euro5 but newer engines need smarter chargers (=more £)

Do you think I will need a B2B for a 2015 Ford Custom Limited?

Thanks in advance.
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Post by: Fultonius on October 15, 2020, 10:37:42 pm
Probably not, seems they went Euro6 in 2016. To be honest, I'd go for one anyway. A decent VSR is £75, B2B charger £155. The latter gives you about 20% more charge, charges more quickly and keeps the battery in better shape.
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Post by: andy_e on October 19, 2020, 03:34:40 pm
A pal mentioned the RAC mentioned to him a solar trickle charger that plugs into the cigarette lighter to charge the battery? Anyone know what that is?
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Post by: tomtom on October 19, 2020, 04:32:31 pm
https://www.amazon.co.uk/solar-car-battery-charger/s?k=solar+car+battery+charger&af=%7B%22quartzVehicle%22%3A%2229-405%22%2C%22replacementKeywords%22%3A%22solar+car+battery%22%7D
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Post by: Fultonius on October 19, 2020, 06:15:11 pm
A pal mentioned the RAC mentioned to him a solar trickle charger that plugs into the cigarette lighter to charge the battery? Anyone know what that is?

On a sunny day they would maybe stop the battery dropping, but you'd be hard pushed to run a laptop off one. They're more just to keep the battery topped up in cars/vans you use infrequently. 
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Post by: andy_e on October 19, 2020, 07:55:45 pm
Thinking about the CTEK B2B charger so I can add solar in at a later date. Hopefully it'll be easy to install...I also need to get my rear view camera working at some point...
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Post by: Fultonius on October 19, 2020, 09:08:15 pm
Thinking about the CTEK B2B charger so I can add solar in at a later date. Hopefully it'll be easy to install...I also need to get my rear view camera working at some point...

It's a piece of piss to install. Seems to be a great bit of kit (so far).
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Post by: kelvin on October 19, 2020, 09:25:18 pm
Thinking about the CTEK B2B charger so I can add solar in at a later date. Hopefully it'll be easy to install...I also need to get my rear view camera working at some point...

The ctek is great - used one for the two years I was living full-time in a van. I always had enough power for mobiles, lights, tablets, speaker etc.
One thing to be aware of if you use the solar, the maximum voltage allowed is only 21.3 or somewhere thereabouts, can't remember exactly off the top of my head but the information is somewhere on their site. That obviously affects your choice of panel/s.
Currently charge both of my boats with ctek chargers and about to convert my work van. That'll be a ctrl b2b.
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Post by: andy_e on October 29, 2020, 08:32:33 am
Anyone got any good leisure battery recommendations? Space is at a premium so I'm after something that can combine maximum amp hours with minimum space...
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Post by: tomtom on October 29, 2020, 08:38:47 am
With lead acid batteries (leisure batteries) you (quite simply) can’t magic capacity out of thin air.. so if you want more capacity they get larger :(

Ps - never run them flat - very different from ni-cad or li-ion batteries that don’t mind going down to zero every now and then. For longevity many say never runs then less than 50%.

Pps. If your charger doesn’t have a voltmeter - get a cheap £5 digital voltmeter from eBay/Amazon and wire it into your leisure battery. It’s the easiest way to keep an eye on how it’s doing.
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Post by: teestub on October 29, 2020, 08:54:07 am
Anyone got recommendations for conversion places North or West Yorkshire?
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Post by: andy_e on October 29, 2020, 08:57:26 am
Tom got his done at a place in Donny, but that's neither North nor West Yorkshire.
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Post by: dunnyg on October 29, 2020, 10:08:15 am
Thetes a place in denholme who do cinversions, didnt end up getting a van  but they were freindly snd knowledgeable and the conversions looked good. They werent great at calling back, but will do a decent job.
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Post by: Alex-the-Alex on October 29, 2020, 10:21:38 am
I got a leisure battery installed by this bunch in Darley a few years ago: https://www.dubtricks.co.uk/. They were very good and had loads of time to talk though the specifics. I imagine they would be happy to look at non VWs too.
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Post by: teestub on October 29, 2020, 10:53:51 am
Cheers for the recommendations  :2thumbsup:
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Post by: andy_e on October 29, 2020, 02:57:51 pm
Anyone got any good leisure battery recommendations? Space is at a premium so I'm after something that can combine maximum amp hours with minimum space...

This one looks to fit the bill? https://www.alpha-batteries.co.uk/12v-130ah-leoch-adventurer-agm-leisure-battery-lagm130/
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Post by: iain on October 29, 2020, 03:32:19 pm
Anyone got any good leisure battery recommendations? Space is at a premium so I'm after something that can combine maximum amp hours with minimum space...

This one looks to fit the bill? https://www.alpha-batteries.co.uk/12v-130ah-leoch-adventurer-agm-leisure-battery-lagm130/
Got one of those ^^^ this year on a recommendation and been impressed, it easily ran our fridge on a 2 week trip when we weren't driving every day.

Can also be mounted sideways and fits under the driver's seat in a T4.
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Post by: andy_e on October 29, 2020, 03:40:45 pm
Nice one ta!
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Post by: andy_e on November 06, 2020, 08:36:14 am
Thinking about the CTEK B2B charger so I can add solar in at a later date. Hopefully it'll be easy to install...I also need to get my rear view camera working at some point...

It's a piece of piss to install. Seems to be a great bit of kit (so far).

Sent you a PM but not sure if the PMs are still borked?
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Post by: alpinebisou on November 10, 2020, 04:07:13 pm
Great info on this thread that has served me pretty well in the past. Perhaps could have posted in the GooDADvice one, since it's having our first child that has prompted this. I'm a gumby dad and gumby camper owner.

Really looking for some advice from some parents on van strategy.
As a couple we've had:
1) A Kangoo with some plywood in the back, which we absolutely loved.
2) A Trafic minibus with some slightly more deluxe plywood and the third row seats still in so we could spend more time inside if needed. Didn't really get on with it and got rid.

Now we've got a young one, it seems a more specced out camper van could be in order. In principle it would enable us to live somewhat the same lifestyle of lots of weekend trips, holidays in the van etc. And it seems appealing to have something always available, warm, dry and with the child and climbing stuff to hand. We're somewhat torn between the following:

1) Hold off on the van and maybe try some proper accommodation with the car - seems maybe a faff to be packing/unpacking the car constantly and not so appealing for days out. Low financial commitment though.
2) Go all in now and get a proper self contained camper. A lot of money obviously but the sooner we have it the more use we get out of it.
3) Something we haven't thought of.

I am semi interested in doing a conversion but I just don't have the time/headspace right now.

So in the case of going for a camper, I think it would have to be fairly small - thinking VW size not bigger. Pop top is appealing. One thing that concerns me about these vans is storage space. How have people found getting kid equipment, bouldering pads etc. into these things.

Money is an issue obviously but could probably stump up for something if I thought it wasn't a terrible investment and would do what we wanted.

For context, the kid is weeks old and we live in the Alps so plenty of opportunities to get away to different places. Partner is also a climber / outdoorsy so we want to keep it going as far as possible with obvious kid modifications. Also next few months could mean we have some more free/flexible time with maternity/paternity leave, telecommuting etc.

So who's got some experience with camper van life with a young family. Should I spend my hard earned savings on this or keep it simple for a while? What kinds of approaches have you had to weekend and longer trips with a young one.

Thanks! Andy
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Post by: Fultonius on April 17, 2023, 01:58:15 pm
Our van has failed it's MOT on extensive rust. We decided to try to tackle it ourselves and it started out well, but soon turned out a bigger job than we had the skills / time / determination to do and we're now needing to make the big decision.

Options are:

1. Get a welder to fix the worst bits, we finish the rest. I expect this will cost around £400-500 as it will need towed there and back.
2. Strip the best campervan bits, scrap the rest £444 quoted.
3. Try to sell "as is" (full disclosure)

It's a 1998, 2.5 TDI VW T4 which, if rust free would probably be in the £3.5k-£5k range but:

-it's LHD
-It's done 250k miles, the dual mass flywheel needs replaced and therefore the clutch might as well get done (£1k)
-The gearbox needs overhauled (£1.5k)
-It's a DIY conversion, which, while pretty good isn't "pro" level.

I'm just not sure anyone's going to want to buy it for much more than the scrap value...  There's about £1500 of campervan bits installed, which would only fetch around £300 second hand according to ebay "sold items".

It would basically need to be someone with welding/fab skills that felt they wanted a project.

Your thoughts?
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Post by: Paul B on April 17, 2023, 02:05:33 pm
I'd sell it as a project (or at least see if there's interest). It might be that someone with the 'skills' to do it themselves sees the value there.

Have you looked at a replacement? The cost of vans (specifically T5,6,7) seems to be ridiculous these days.
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Post by: SA Chris on April 17, 2023, 02:12:55 pm
Agree, sell "as is" / full disclosure, someone with better DIY skills might want it as a project. If there are no takers, you have nothing to lose, then go to Plan B.

Other question is, do you still actually need a camper?
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Post by: Fultonius on April 17, 2023, 02:32:45 pm
We're going for a car for a bit. Not interested in getting a T5 (emissions) and can't afford a T6. We're going to try a car for a year or two, and if we really miss the van we would probably get one of those Peugeot Expert/Toyota Proace things and do a DIY conversion again.

I'm slightly wary of trying to sell on Ebay as you get so many time wasters, but I'm not sure where else is better?
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Post by: Ross Barker on April 17, 2023, 03:05:40 pm
I think selling any older vehicle online is a balance of dealing with timewasting mouthbreathers and how much money you'll let it go for. Autotrader probably has fewer timewasters than the likes of ebay/Gumtree/FB, but I don't think as many people using AT are in search of projects.

T4s seem to be reasonably popular (moreso than my old Toyota Avensis, at least), so maybe that means people will be better at not wasting time? Might be worth sticking it on FB anyway, if you find you're getting bombarded with dipshits then you can remove the listing and try something less painful.
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Post by: SA Chris on April 17, 2023, 03:39:33 pm
Quick google seems to say there are some sites that specialise in campervan selling. Might have less reach, but a more targeted audience? Worth a punt?
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Post by: Fultonius on April 17, 2023, 04:03:20 pm
I'll start off with the T4 Forum I'm on, and some facebook Van Conversion Groups.
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Post by: fatneck on September 05, 2023, 12:59:20 pm
What's the best forum for general information gathering as a lurker?
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Post by: sxrxg on September 05, 2023, 02:20:41 pm
For information gathering it probably depends upon what you are looking for. Lots of Facebook groups for specific models if you want information regarding a specific van you like the look of. Also lots of self build groups for ideas and other groups selling vans for <£15,000 etc.

I only know as I used to own a vintage van and was in the owners group and used some of the selling groups when I recently sold it.

If you decide to self build I have a pretty upto date spreadsheet detailing all the costs of the van we are currently fitting out.
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Post by: SA Chris on September 05, 2023, 03:13:43 pm
VW T5 Forum UK, online forum (vwt4forum.co.uk) also on facebook, but not as good.
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Post by: James Malloch on September 05, 2023, 04:09:22 pm
What's the best forum for general information gathering as a lurker?

Not a forum, but for self builds the campervan conversion bible is good! Written by a couple of climbers and it’s really informative for all aspects of a conversion (including how long they take and how much they can cost!).
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Post by: RobK on March 13, 2024, 02:58:50 pm
Has anyone got any recommendations for off-road van tyres? I have a pretty chunky Peugeot Boxer (2600kg post conversion) and often find myself wanting something a bit more aggressive than the bog-standard things it currently has fitted e.g. when parking on soft verges. The Goodrich All Terrains seem a popular choice but also look like they would tank the small amount of fuel economy I have left. Any middle of the road options that might be worth a look?
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Post by: kelvin on March 14, 2024, 10:29:15 am
Has anyone got any recommendations for off-road van tyres? I have a pretty chunky Peugeot Boxer (2600kg post conversion) and often find myself wanting something a bit more aggressive than the bog-standard things it currently has fitted e.g. when parking on soft verges. The Goodrich All Terrains seem a popular choice but also look like they would tank the small amount of fuel economy I have left. Any middle of the road options that might be worth a look?

My Relay was 2650kg after conversion and I ran Vredstein all season tyres after a trip back from Spain with tyres on the limit gave 43mpg average!
The Vredsteins did okay, averaging 38mpg to and around the Swiss Alps before selling the van.
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Post by: SA Chris on March 14, 2024, 02:09:46 pm
Any middle of the road options that might be worth a look?

lol.
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Post by: sxrxg on March 14, 2024, 03:54:53 pm
Has anyone got any recommendations for off-road van tyres? I have a pretty chunky Peugeot Boxer (2600kg post conversion) and often find myself wanting something a bit more aggressive than the bog-standard things it currently has fitted e.g. when parking on soft verges. The Goodrich All Terrains seem a popular choice but also look like they would tank the small amount of fuel economy I have left. Any middle of the road options that might be worth a look?

Assume that you have looked on blackcircles? If you use the caravan/motorhome section it will give you the relevant all terrain options - https://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/caravan-tyres.

Yokohama do an all terrain tyre similar to the Goodrich for around £100 a corner fitted. Also all terrain options from Cooper and General tyres at the mid price point.

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