The question is whether leaving draws in contributes to a general feeling of littering the crags.To be honest I never felt that strongly about the odd route with the draws left in but if thats now moving towards a more general trend I would definitely prefer to see it stopped both from a personal asthetic positon and from the perspective of the more general impression the climbing community gives.
I just slightly feel that everyone is getting a bit overexcited about how much other user groups are bothered by, or indeed notice, them.
ps. neutral karma!! and nice to be wadded by my good chum Dylan
I did this simply to make my own life easier the next time I went up the routes in question. Obviously i could have stripped them at the end of my session but as long as access is not being endangered I don't see a problem here. The other day i went on Urgent Action and I was glad to have the draws in place, mainly because it saved me carrying any and also meant that I could bail at any stage and not worry about retrieving them.
Dylan: Unfortunately I have had to punter you back for puntering me... I thought it was okay to have different opinions on the forum and express them reasonably without getting puntered. I haven't said that I think anyone is an idiot for holding a different view to me and if someone (e.g. you) can give me a clear reason as to why draws left in Urgent Action or True North endanger access at kilnsey then I am more than happy to change my mind. Okay back to digging up the yard...Dave
Jasper - what the fuck?
I just haven't seen that it endangers access at Kilnsey...If it did then I would have a problem with draws left in place there
I have a different point of view from you.
I like that attitude It's incredibly healthy. Probably best to wait until there is a problem, and then spend weeks and years lobbying and grovelling to get access back to normal, rather than just taking your shit home.
Quote from: Davo on July 15, 2011, 10:29:19 amI did this simply to make my own life easier the next time I went up the routes in question. Obviously i could have stripped them at the end of my session but as long as access is not being endangered I don't see a problem here. The other day i went on Urgent Action and I was glad to have the draws in place, mainly because it saved me carrying any and also meant that I could bail at any stage and not worry about retrieving them. This thread is going nowhere, but I thought I would highlight that.I'm lost for words.
(I stripped the old draws from Mandela last year, which were then tested to destruction at Wild Country, I suspect that if anyone saw what the seemingly new looking (been up there 2years?) Dyneeema and Nylon tapes broke at they would think again before ever clipping an insitu draw.....)