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looking for some advice from you techno buffs (Falling Down).
i'm after a mobile that has good email applications and one that lets me knw when emails arrive rather than having to access all the ime.
also need to have a good camera with it.
any suggestions, insights, feed back on possible choices listed above would be greatful
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This link (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/26/reviews_iphone_alternatives_roundup/) might be useful as a quick reference to things other than an iPhone.
The only other thing that I can offer is that the iPhones camera is not supposed to be that great even on the latest model (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/22/review_phone_apple_iphone_3g_s/page3.html) that has just been released.
bluebrad
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Well, i was an Iphone man for over a year. Thought i would try a Blackberry for a change, and i never looked back. Much more seamless in its workings. Ok, its not as fancy or flash but it does the job. Camera does seem to be a tad better on the BB. I find the keyboard on the BB better than the touch screen of the Iphone. BB doesn't crash all the time. BB still has the conversation style GUI SMS'ing of the Iphone which is great. Battery seems a tad worse on the BB. Oh the BB i have is the Bold. It has the wifi which the newer curve doesn't.
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I've got an iPhone, it's ok for email as I downloaded a hotmail app for it. Battery life is dire though. Camera is actually really good but is only 2mp it isn't great to moving objcects or at night as it has up flash.
I think my next phone will be a Blackberry as they are easy to use and have good features. Having said that the N97 from Nokia looks mint.... :shrug:
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Just got a blackberry curve from work. Mainly so we can be bothered by emails twenty four seven. It's really good for emails, the camera is ok. Big advantage for me is keyboard on the curve, usable even if you've got sausage fingers. Rich
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Hey there are far worse gadget freaks than me you know.
If it's a phone you want to use for work and managing work emails then a BB would be the at the top of most peoples lists. If it was for personal use though I'd choose the iPhone every time. I use a BB for work but am seriously tempted to buy a new iPhone for my own use.
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ask Gav, my life is work nowdays.
how does personal use differ to work use?
i speak in the phone the same way??
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I use a BB for work but am seriously tempted to buy a new iPhone for my own use.
I'm in the same boat (BB for work) and was seriously tempted to get a iPhone for home use...until I worked out it would cost £1200 over two years! (Once you've bought it, insured it and paid £35 monthly) Over three times what I'm paying for a my current phone! Think I'll get a iPod touch for most of the cool apps and one of the iPod alternatives (LG, HTC, Samsung etc) for free + £20/month (instead of £35) etc etc.
Old work Blackberry 8700 is faultless for email/contacts etc. Full querty keyboard, battery lasts for ever (I recon I charge it less than once a week and use it a lot).
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ask Gav, my life is work nowdays.
how does personal use differ to work use?
i speak in the phone the same way??
You get paid to do one and not the other.
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The new (ish) Blackbery 8900 is a great phone, really smooth to use and an almost HD like display. The best deal we do on it is £29.36 p/m over 24 months, 600 mins, 500 texts, sat nav and unlimited email and web use with the phone free. It comes with a 3.2mp camera and wifi. It isn't 3G though.
It's the most popular Blackberry we sell.
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I have a blackberry pearl for work and in terms of receiving emails it does the job really well, just notifying as soon as the email arrives. You can view most MS docs and pdfs too which is useful. replying is simple and I like that the keyboard is standard keyboard layout. The down side is that it's a bit clunky and maybe not as intuitive as the iphone - if I were going for functionality I'd choose the BB, but for a gadget I'd probably choose the iphone.
The cameras not great on the BB though not sure if it's improved
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IPhone's ace.. new OS makes it much better without any song and dance. Cut and paste is really easy (was cutting and pasting loads of MJ jokes into texts earlier) and now (at last) you get a landscape keyboard when texting - which makes it much better/faster.
The Camera's not brilliant - but does the job. For me the email and calendar is the killer ap. It just hooked straight into works exchange account so all my mails and appointments are synced (and it syncs with works generic contact list which is really neat..). In fact I wish I had the email app on my PC instead of outlook - as its stacks quicker... In fact when on push email, the phone pings about 5 secs before the PC..
Downsides are battery life CAN (but isnt allways) be crap. Having push email on seems to bring it down - and as its so nice to use, you tend to use it alot just for general crap - and when you light up that nice big screen down goes the battery. TBH, its never been a problem. I have a DAB radio with a dock on the top, so at home it just sits there charging, and a FM transmitter in the car that charges too...
Never had a BB so can't compare - but was really impressed with the IPhone (and I'm an apple loather..)
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thanks to you all on the feedback.
i think i'll be going for the BB Bold. it does everything i need, and it appears that it does it very well.
i've always had a nokia, so i'm sure the change will be causing some headaches...
it was a toss up with the BB pearl, but i want to get away from little multi letter buttons and a have a decent camers, which the Bold has over the pearl.
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HTC Touch Diamond 2 (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/04/23/review_smartphone_htc_touch_diamond_2/) looks really nice.
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On a kinda of linked subject, I've been using this website recently http://alatest.co.uk/ (http://alatest.co.uk/) which is dead handy and nice to use.
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been looking for a new phone recently
iphone is too common imo. and bloody expensive
been waiting for the palm pre but with a september release...not sure if my current phone will last that long
the nokia n97 looks and feels good, a full qwerty keyboard is what i'm really after
but did notice the htc diamond touch 2 today....very nice
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anyone got a heads up on the palm pre?
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anyone got a heads up on the palm pre?
RegHardware : Palm Pre v iPhone 3G S (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/07/01/palm_pre_v_iphone_3gs/)
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pick up my n97 later from sorting office ;D
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Very happy with my Android G1 for web and email stuff, battery life sounds duff compared to the Blackberry (it only lasts >24 hrs if you barely use the net), but the available apps and the googlemaps/gps combo is very good.
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Very happy with my Android G1 for web and email stuff, battery life sounds duff compared to the Blackberry (it only lasts >24 hrs if you barely use the net), but the available apps and the googlemaps/gps combo is very good.
I have this too. Despite it looking like a Star Trek phone the physical keyboard is WAY better for my fat fingers. It also only cost me £25 a month with more minutes than I could possible use and free internet.
One problem with these alwaysontheinternetphones is that when you go on holiday remember to take another phone. I managed to turn mine onto airplane mode rather than off. I realised when I landed in Paris and switched it off immediately but was still billed £5 :oops:
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Does anyone have any info / experience of using the bluetooth link to a car. I have a samsung tocco and it links to Ford systems but loses a lot of information .. can not get the previous iphone to connect at all ??
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Bluetooth is a funny one with different brands of phones and manufactured of car kits there is always going to be a compatability issue.
I have a nokia car kit which I have used very succesfully with all my previous nokia phones and my current HTC diamond winmobie phone.
Your best to look at a ford drivers forum if its an inbuilt ford bluetooth.
Dylog - You need an app that is called nodata. I have it pre installed on the current rom I am using, it basically detects your data connections and allows you to toggle them on or off so there is no chance you can accidentally use your data connection and incur roaming data charges which are £££ (unless of course your dobbin and updating your face ache account is worth every penny)
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Does anyone have any info / experience of using the bluetooth link to a car. I have a samsung tocco and it links to Ford systems but loses a lot of information .. can not get the previous iphone to connect at all ??
My bluetooth car kit is a bit hit and miss with the iphone 3G, it connects OK and outgoing calls are generally OK but incoming take about 10 seconds to connect, by which time the caller has generally hung up. As far as I can work out from searching the internet, the iphone's bluetooth is a little bit primitive. It seems to work OK with some bluetooth handsfree and not with others, it also seems that it is only good for use with handsfree and not for sending data etc.. pretty poor IMHO, although the phones good in many other aspects.
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One problem with these alwaysontheinternetphones is that when you go on holiday remember to take another phone. I managed to turn mine onto airplane mode rather than off. I realised when I landed in Paris and switched it off immediately but was still billed £5 :oops:
If you have the 'data connection when roaming' option turned off this shouldn't happen right? I need to get to the bottom of this before heading to the states so I don't get charged loads!
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One problem with these alwaysontheinternetphones is that when you go on holiday remember to take another phone. I managed to turn mine onto airplane mode rather than off. I realised when I landed in Paris and switched it off immediately but was still billed £5 :oops:
If you have the 'data connection when roaming' option turned off this shouldn't happen right? I need to get to the bottom of this before heading to the states so I don't get charged loads!
That's what i set my devices too and it has always been fine. It will still show GPRS in the corner probably but will be in lower case to show its not enabled, ie, gprs.
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my iphone has done its job, ive dropped it a few times tho, so no more rounded edges oops.
as for applications, its the best thing for it.
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as for applications, its the best thing for it.
So long as Apple vets them first...
Apple's App Store policy is the main reason I wouldn't get an iPhone. That and the sub-par camera.
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If you have the 'data connection when roaming' option turned off this shouldn't happen right? I need to get to the bottom of this before heading to the states so I don't get charged loads!
I'm not sure how it works on android but on win mobile it can turn itself back on if certain programs request it.
Best off looking for a program like nodata to be sure or turn your phone to GSM mode
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Right, here is a titbit you might find interesting (although you have probably already gone out and purchased by now), there is a bit of clever marketing spin going on around the term 'push email'.
Push implies the infrastructure recieves a new message for you, and then actively seeks out a passive handset on the interweb and sends the mail down - which is not what actually happens. Push on non blackberry devices is actually a constantly expiring HTTP get request on the device - not unlike a train departure board on a web page or something like that. Effectively the device is polling the server for updates, and its this which causes the data connection to be always on, knackering the battery and meaning you have to have a less prohibitive data tariff.
Blackberry on the other hand, works so well because there is a network operations center which maintains a list of where the devices are, and although this means the device isnt polling and has better battery life etc etc, it does also mean you are reliant on someone else's hardware for which you have to pay for access. Think also of the implications for roaming. Because you arent constantly checking, so you only pay for the mails you actually get sent. Additionally, Blackberry is architected to send only the first kb - i.e. the header and first couple of lines only. When you open the message and scroll down, only then does it fetch the rest. So for travellers, BB is a pretty strong solution.
Traditionally speaking blackberry was great for corporates but not so good for consumers - because of the subscription. These days, the gap is closer, more people are starting to adopt them as their own phones, and the subscription is less and less. For multimedia, best of breed is without doubt the iPhone, and in terms of os functionality then apple are way ahead (RIM have been rehashing the same basic OS for 10 years!), windows mobile looks more compelling when you get to 6.5, but has traditionally been crippled by battery life and being unstable. Symbian (nokia, sony ericsson) is a little long in the tooth now, and whilst it makes for a good phone, the other stuff you come to expect from a modern smartphone is pretty poor.
Finally, regards shooters the Nokias and Sony ericssons of the world win. BB and iPhone are fairly shite to be honest.
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I was with up to 'titbit'...
p.s. Tweak your avatar in photolog; your right arm is bigger than your left. ;)
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Additionally, Blackberry is architected to send only the first kb - i.e. the header and first couple of lines only. When you open the message and scroll down, only then does it fetch the rest.
That would be the IMAP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP) protocol as opposed to the POP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_Office_Protocol) protocol.
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Actually no tech fans, its either! Think of it like this - Blackberry NOC (network operations thing, or relay to you and I) does the IMAP or POP bit, but still it doesnt send the header, it squishes it into its special format (UCS as memory serves) then it just sends that down, so whether you are IMAP, POP, MAPI (whatever!) it still only does that first KB. And thats what you pay for - the relay processing and squishing your messagio.
The arm size disparity is correct. That arm gets much more traffic
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Actually no tech fans, its either! Think of it like this - Blackberry NOC (network operations thing, or relay to you and I) does the IMAP or POP bit, but still it doesnt send the header, it squishes it into its special format (UCS as memory serves) then it just sends that down, so whether you are IMAP, POP, MAPI (whatever!) it still only does that first KB. And thats what you pay for - the relay processing and squishing your messagio.
Ah, good knowledge there, don't have a BB but I use the gmail app on my N95 which uses IMAP until I want to read a message.
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Traditionally speaking blackberry was great for corporates but not so good for consumers - because of the subscription.
BlackBerries are also apparently the mobile e-mail device of choice for islamic terrorists, due to the 256-bit AES encryption of e-mail (the Indian government tried to get heavy with RIM and demand decryption keys after they allegedly kept catching dodgy characters coming across the northern borders with BlackBerries)
And the new iPhones seem to be the choice of people who want to have really hot ears (http://news.google.fr/news?hl=en&q=iphone+3gs+overheating&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_frFR247FR248&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=FP9VSubkDNrRjAfaoM3YAg&sa=X&oi=news_group&ct=title&resnum=1)
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nice one for answering my unasked question about push email there dobbin.
My htc diamond only downloads the first whatever you select of an email, I think I set it to 20kb to cover most text and its set to check for email every 2 hours although you can set this to what ever you want and also check manually.
If I wasn't loving my winmobile device I would definately be going back to nokia
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I think the key thing is that whilst it feels like push, and may appear to arrive at the same time as the mail on the blackberry, its a less efficient solution from the point of view of battery life and data usage. Guess the thinking is that there are more and more unlimited data plans these days, or at worst then mobile data is cheaper than ever, and all the phone manufacturers think we carry a generator and charger around with us wherever we go. I can still remember my old Nokia 6310i which would do a full week between charges, and I used to nail the minutes too. But I couldnt take pictures or send emails I suppose. Is life really better for these things?
The indian case was an interesting one to watch, as one of the reasons we like it (as a corporate) is because its so secure. The very fact that they cant see what you are writing is the reason we can offer it and comply with IT security policy, but this leads back to the age old argument law enforcement agencies always leverage, that they should have access to it all... blah blah blah, could go on about this for hours.
I am quite excited about Android. Not so sure about the devices yet, as I like an actual keyboard, but am watching that space with a view to something I can get on with coming out. I also read there was some mention of an Android netbook remix which would be hotstuff.
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Hey there are far worse gadget freaks than me you know.
If it's a phone you want to use for work and managing work emails then a BB would be the at the top of most peoples lists. If it was for personal use though I'd choose the iPhone every time. I use a BB for work but am seriously tempted to buy a new iPhone for my own use.
fully agree on this, my iphone / mobileme setup for personal use is great. secure web file access, public galleries, the push mail.. all very cool.
M iphone last 48hrs of wifi / txting with perhaps 4 or 4 calls. doesnt crash.
I'd go bb of i had more work stuff on it. Interestingly my executive at work have all gone iphone, probs coz it integrated v well with the hell that is groupwise email...
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my 6310i used to last for 2 weeks between charges.
The best mobile phone ever made?
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my 6310i used to last for 2 weeks between charges.
its a shame that battery technology is far more mature than mobile technology, they can't keep up.
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My bro really rates his N71.
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my 6310i used to last for 2 weeks between charges.
The best mobile phone ever made?
that was indeed a quality device.
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pick up my n97 later from sorting office ;D
What have you thought to the N97 Namnok?
I've been looking at the N86 which is more compact with a better cam but the N97 looks great for data on the move.
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pick up my n97 later from sorting office ;D
What have you thought to the N97 Namnok?
I've been looking at the N86 which is more compact with a better cam but the N97 looks great for data on the move.
i'm quite torn actually.
there are a few cons
if any apps are left open you have to go into each one and exit them individually (unless there is a quicker alternate way i havent found yet) in the 1st day i was playing and learning how to use it, my battery lasted a day cos i had loads of apps unknowingly open
it's crashed a few times...esp when i answer a call...you have to slide your finger across the screen instead of simply pressing an answer button.
a few pros
it has a good 5mp camera, used it the first weekend to take pics taking doggie out with the missus, impressed for a mobile phone camera, as we all know they can be slow when it comes to taking shots
the qwerty keypad is small but good. texting the old fashion way using the touchscreen is ok but fiddly - you have to go into a diff screen to write the message then ok it to go back to add the sender.
the personalisable homescreen is good but i barely use it as it's just as easy to go to, lets say view a text via the menu screen.
i've been tempted to send it back a few times but in all honesty its a good little gadget that really should be a keeper but i still wonder if i should have waited for the palm pre.
all i really wanted was a web enabled, qwerty keypad-ed & touchscreen phone. n97 does the trick for now, well for the next 17months anyway, what's with all these bloody 18/24 month contracts?
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tonight's gadget show on channel5 comparing iphone with n97 and another which i didnt see
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I ended getting an iPhone 3GS for personal use and it has exceeded my expectations in termsof features, performance and apps. I run a Mac wireless network at home mind with a mini attached to the Tele and NAS drive with 3 airports around the house so I can now use the phone to wirelessly play music from the NAS to Lounge, Kitchen and bedroom. I have a MobileMe account and can access all my remote files from the phone. The camera is better than expected with great post-processing apps and upload to Flick or mobile me and has a low-fi feel to it that adds a bit of character. The Wordpress app is great for blogging and Tweetie do The browser is super quick but doesnt run Flash. Tweetie does everything a Twitter app should. On Saturday I DJ'd at a party and played a couple of live improve using Beatmaker through my mixer and I've just watched a Harvard Lecture on iTunes.
Battery life could be better and the call quality could be improved but otherwise it's a fantastic little machine and I'm pleased I waited til the 3GS to cough up for one.
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http://www.theonion.com/content/news/apple_claims_new_iphone_only (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/apple_claims_new_iphone_only)
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I ended getting an iPhone 3GS for personal use and it has exceeded my expectations in termsof features, performance and apps. I run a Mac wireless network at home mind with a mini attached to the Tele and NAS drive with 3 airports around the house so I can now use the phone to wirelessly play music from the NAS to Lounge, Kitchen and bedroom. I have a MobileMe account and can access all my remote files from the phone. The camera is better than expected with great post-processing apps and upload to Flick or mobile me and has a low-fi feel to it that adds a bit of character. The Wordpress app is great for blogging and Tweetie do The browser is super quick but doesnt run Flash. Tweetie does everything a Twitter app should. On Saturday I DJ'd at a party and played a couple of live improve using Beatmaker through my mixer and I've just watched a Harvard Lecture on iTunes.
Battery life could be better and the call quality could be improved but otherwise it's a fantastic little machine and I'm pleased I waited til the 3GS to cough up for one.
excellent synopsis, I just wish I could see flash.. and that's not for pr0n...
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I ended getting an iPhone 3GS for personal use and it has exceeded my expectations in termsof features, performance and apps. I run a Mac wireless network at home mind with a mini attached to the Tele and NAS drive with 3 airports around the house so I can now use the phone to wirelessly play music from the NAS to Lounge, Kitchen and bedroom. I have a MobileMe account and can access all my remote files from the phone. The camera is better than expected with great post-processing apps and upload to Flick or mobile me and has a low-fi feel to it that adds a bit of character. The Wordpress app is great for blogging and Tweetie do The browser is super quick but doesnt run Flash. Tweetie does everything a Twitter app should. On Saturday I DJ'd at a party and played a couple of live improve using Beatmaker through my mixer and I've just watched a Harvard Lecture on iTunes.
Battery life could be better and the call quality could be improved but otherwise it's a fantastic little machine and I'm pleased I waited til the 3GS to cough up for one.
excellent synopsis, I just wish I could see flash.. and that's not for pr0n...
Youtube convert their files on the fly to Quicktime (or whatever) for Iphone users -so its just other flash things that dont work..
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tonight's gadget show on channel5 comparing iphone with n97 and another which i didnt see
It was the Palm Pre I think. The Gadget Show website hasn't been update with the reviews. Think the Palm Pre came last with the Ipod top.
what's with all these bloody 18/24 month contracts?
I wish I knew. I really don't feel comfortable owning the same phone for longer than 12months. Most phones seem to have a peformance shelf life of around 12 months (In the case of my C902 about 6 months)which means 6 months of crap performance/sending it back for fixing.
The main problem I have with the Iphone is that everyone seems to have one. Obviously this means they're good but just too common.
The N97 I like the look of and have had Symbian Nokias in the past but these have often been veeerrrrrryyy slllllloooww. Have they improved this? Also the fold out keyboard however smart is a working part ready for breaking.
Blackberries remind me of work.
Anyone played with a HTC phone?
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what's with all these bloody 18/24 month contracts?
I wish I knew. I really don't feel comfortable owning the same phone for longer than 12months. Most phones seem to have a peformance shelf life of around 12 months (In the case of my C902 about 6 months)which means 6 months of crap performance/sending it back for fixing.
The main problem I have with the Iphone is that everyone seems to have one. Obviously this means they're good but just too common.
UK market is saturated, so the networks want to hang on to everyone for as long as possible. I dislike the 18month thing, but its become the standard. The best way would be no contract subsidised handsets... but that would mean people hopping networks...
If an Iphone tempts you but cost/network/contract are sticking points - it may be worth waiting a few months as the word on the street is that O2 are going to loose their exclusivity contract soon.. other networks = competition...?
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I'm not keen on an iPhone just because of the poor camera and Apple's highly restrictive app store policy. I'm not really an Apple lover at all. I've used OS X but prefer XP, I've got an iPod but think the apple firmware is shit so replaced it with open source, I think iTunes is appalling, etc. I also want to be able to run whatever software I like on my phone, not just what Apple thinks is good enough for me.
The N97 I like the look of and have had Symbian Nokias in the past but these have often been veeerrrrrryyy slllllloooww. Have they improved this? Also the fold out keyboard however smart is a working part ready for breaking.
I think the keyboard is meant to be ok but I think you'll hate the N97 for it's performance - a lot of reviews are saying it's under-powered for what it wants to be.
Anyone played with a HTC phone?
They get great reviews and look really smart but never used one.
My current potential next phone is the Samsung i8910 Omnia HD - runs Symbian, is powerful, has the best screen around with the bonus of an 8mp cam & HD video recording.
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have a look at the nokia 5800 bubbs, i just got one for fuck all, seems ok.
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I think the N97 is based on the 5800 - looks like a bargain though, would work out at £5 p/m less than the top of the range phones.
G KF900 Prada is meant to be good too, and looks lovely. Decisions decisions....
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I'm not keen on an iPhone just because of the poor camera and Apple's highly restrictive app store policy. I'm not really an Apple lover at all. I've used OS X but prefer XP, I've got an iPod but think the apple firmware is shit so replaced it with open source, I think iTunes is appalling, etc. I also want to be able to run whatever software I like on my phone, not just what Apple thinks is good enough for me.
I disliked all Apple stuff prior to getting an Iphone - but have not found the apps store at all restricting. OK, things have to be apple vetted (which I dont like - e.g. the tethering issue), but despite that theres oodles more apps there than for any other phone - and I find them really useful.
My latest fave one is meteo that gives me rain radar with only a 15 min delay.. (and stats for wind/rain fallen for anywhere in the country) great for seeing if the crag is going to be wet or not. A push twitter app, so I get a text noise when a new reply comes in.. On friday I got an ECB app that gives live test updates - score cards and stats - great! Before going on hols I downloaded a rough guide type thing and a learn spanish app (for the plane).. theres just loads of stuff out there....
Itunes - yes thats a piece of shit software that clogs up my PC and I have to go into the registry to uninstall all its auto start up crap each time it updates... but I bought the phone as a phone and PDA thing, and a good MP3 player on top of that is great.
:shrug:
Its swings and roundabouts I guess....
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i can't believe people have issues with apple stuff. it just works.
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yeah.
that's what i wanted, that's what I got. You pay more, you get more IMO. less hastle, it works, sweet.
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My HTC diamond is great, but only get a windows mobile device if you like messing about phones and use all of its capabilities, its not that great as a mainly phone/texting device and the camera is only 3.2mp.
If you want a good phone/texter camera smart phone then something like the N86 would be great, similar to the SE W995 only better and able to put 3rd party apps on.
The O2 Zest made by asus is supposed to be a great windows mobile phone and pretty cheap on PAYG.
I've never got the hang of mini qwerty keyboards and I think its much faster to type on phone keypad with decent predictive text, touch screen keypads are slow and a bit of a pain TBH.
The palm pre looked a bit shit, I think the next generation of HTC android or when win mobile 7 comes out will be a force to be reconed with smart phone wise
Apple sux
i can't believe people have issues with apple stuff. it just works.
You obviously never had a 1st or 2nd gen iPhone
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I have an original 3g, 16 gb.
works fine.
agree on the fundamental point of the thread... get the type of phone that is best suited to you - dont buy into something for 24 months unless you need the functions it offers. whether the functions are then easy to use is the basis of the symbian / MS / apple debate..
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that's what i wanted, that's what I got. You pay more, you get more IMO. less hastle, it works, sweet.
In the case of the iPhone, you pay the same but you get less. You can buy into the Apple hype if you like but for same price there are far superior handsets.
i can't believe people have issues with apple stuff. it just works.
It works if you're happy to just accept how Apple want you to do things. I'm not sold on Apple at all - it's all marketing and good looks (at a ripoff price) over functionality. Nothing I've used from Apple has wowed me at all.
[OK, things have to be apple vetted (which I dont like - e.g. the tethering issue)
That's the issue I have with them - if Microsoft only allowed applications that they vet to run on Windows then there would be a furore but because the iPhone is seen as desirable and trendy people blindly accept such a shitty policy. Apple will not allow apps that "duplicate the functionality" (ie compete with their own apps) of other apps on the App Store.
It sucks big style and I wouldn't spend money with such a company.
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Apple will not allow apps that "duplicate the functionality" (ie compete with their own apps) of other apps on the App Store.
Hence the lack of flash support on the iPhone. Good summary here: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/11/adobe-flash-on/ (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/11/adobe-flash-on/).
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I've got to say I disagree with almost all of that Bubba. Sure you pay more for an iPhone, and get fewer features. The hype is right though - there isn't a feature I don't use on mine. I feel happy writing email, and browsing the web on it; I can't say the same for my sisters vast litany of windows mobile-based phones, which have all been PITA.
By the same token, though I can understand why you object to the "locked down" nature of apple devices and the app store, it does lead to a smooth user experience for the end user. Can you guess how much time I've spent troubleshooting device driver failures on my MacBook? 0 hours of course. I wish I could say the same for my wife's laptop.
And whilst the app store policy is bad in principle, in practice no other phone has
many high quality third party applications easily available.
It's one thing not to like apples closed policies, but they are very effective in producing the kind of user experience that many people want. Not for everyone, for sure; if you enjoy 'tinkering' with your gadgets, apple products are deeply unsatisfying.
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For me there's also a work vs play angle. I use windows and a Blackberry for work, sometimes sat at a PC for several hours when I have report to write or numbers to crunch and the Blackberry is pinging me emails day (and night). I coughed up for a mac a while ago so I could sit down and do the fun stuff, photo's, music, web etc. on a machine and applications completely different from the work environment. It all works too, pretty flawlessly, all of the time. I'm fully aware of the limitations and the agressive policy that Apple have regarding their IP but I don't really give a toot because they are pretty good at delivering and exceeding the expectations of what I want as a customer. I can't think of a single product that I've bought from Apple or one of their approved partners that I haven't just plugged in or installed and it's worked first time. That and the fact fact the hardware is really well designed for comfort and ease of use make Apple an easy choice.
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All that said mindyou, it's horses for courses though and I agree with what Bubbs is saying about not getting seduced by features. The Blackberry is perfect for work and the iPhone is great for play.
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Yeah, I guess I just like tinkering....
...but anyway, for all you Apple fanboys, I bet you all think this guy's a winner ;) :kiss2:
(http://www.geekologie.com/2008/10/31/iphone-8.jpg)
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I can't think of a single product that I've bought from Apple or one of their approved partners that I haven't just plugged in or installed and it's worked first time.
Where's the fun in that? :shrug: :P
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:)
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I can't think of a single product that I've bought from Apple or one of their approved partners that I haven't just plugged in or installed and it's worked first time.
Where's the fun in that? :shrug: :P
exactly, the nidus of the conversation distilled.
BTW, Stu, great post.
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I can't say the same for my sisters vast litany of windows mobile-based phones, which have all been PITA.
Thats cause its M$-wank :P
P.S. - Nice to meet you last night.
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(http://www.geekologie.com/2008/10/31/iphone-8.jpg)
Bloody Canadians... still some interesting apps he's got loaded up there ;)
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P.S. - Nice to meet you last night.
Likewise.
Bubba - loving the iPhone costume. Can you get them in white?
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Gone for the Samsung Omnia i9810 HD - what a beautiful thing it is too. Technically the best handset around atm, just need to find the latest unbranded firmware to get rid of all the Orange crap on it.
One thing worth noting: the Orange Shop wanted to charge me £293 for it on an 18 month contract but Carphone Warehouse did it for free on a 24 month (£50 on 18m). So avoid the Orange shop if you don't want to get skanked.
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Are Apple still giving out the discount cards for Gap with Iphones? Only on certain items like orange flip flops, combat trousers (34+ waist only) and a tosser t shirt???
If you filled in the warranty card you also used to get sent a personalised email saying what extra steps you need to take to become a full ICunt
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The Mrs has just got a HTC Hero. First impressions are good, it's touchflow is pretty simlar to my iPhone and it is a neater unit with a better camera to boot.
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Any opinions on the Nokia E71? I know it's getting on a bit now but I can get it for free on Three/£20 a month inc unlimited internet+texts, 200 mins etc.
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I think the E71 is a great phone, looks good and works well. A decent alternative to the Blackberrys with full qwerty keypads. Your getting it for a great price as well. I think it was voted phone of the year in 2008 at some award ceremony.
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The Mrs has just got a HTC Hero. First impressions are good, it's touchflow is pretty simlar to my iPhone and it is a neater unit with a better camera to boot.
Just looking at Orange business options - how'd you rate the Hero against Touch (and HD version)? Other good options?
Also, can you link/sync the Winmobile devices with Macs? Pretty key this.
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Also, can you link/sync the Winmobile devices with Macs? Pretty key this.
Not sure if ActivSync supports Mac yet, a while ago when I still had my MacBookPro ( :'( ) and a work WinMobile device I used Mark/Space software's 'The Missing Sync' which works well.
http://www.markspace.com/products/windowsmobile/mac/windows-mobile-sync-software.html (http://www.markspace.com/products/windowsmobile/mac/windows-mobile-sync-software.html)
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blimey. can blackberrys sync with macs too?
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The Hero seems to better at first impressions, time will tell. The HTC Touch 3g is quite a good little phone, it's got an updated camera and Winmob 6.1. The Touch HD is not as good as I had wanted it to be. It's touch flow is quite jerky for want of a better word. It's also Winmob 6.1 but has a lot of potential once you rid it of the Orange rubbish it's preloaded with. If you can put up with the touchflow it's not bad at all, quite pricey mind. I think the overall feel of the Hero is better. It feels capable of doing many things if you follow?
Not sure about syncing etc, but as a phone I'd defo have the Hero over the other 2. You can get some really decent deals on it at present.
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blimey. can blackberrys sync with macs too?
Although I kind of agree with Charlie Brooker (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/10/charlie-brooker-iphone), so possibly asking a silly question, but if work is paying why not an iPhone?
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company has two orange blowers already word.
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The Hero seems to better at first impressions, time will tell. The HTC Touch 3g is quite a good little phone, it's got an updated camera and Winmob 6.1. The Touch HD is not as good as I had wanted it to be. It's touch flow is quite jerky for want of a better word. It's also Winmob 6.1 but has a lot of potential once you rid it of the Orange rubbish it's preloaded with. If you can put up with the touchflow it's not bad at all, quite pricey mind. I think the overall feel of the Hero is better. It feels capable of doing many things if you follow?
Not sure about syncing etc, but as a phone I'd defo have the Hero over the other 2. You can get some really decent deals on it at present.
cheers word - top stuff. you have an iphone right? how does hero/touch hd compare?
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I've just got a touch diamond 2, and it's pretty good, but it's my first contract phone, my first experience of a touch-screen phone, and I've got no experience of an iphone. The touchscreen is pretty good, and the battery-life not bad, considering the screen-size. But my geekskill's aren't up to a proper review. :oops:
Just need to work out what apps are, what apps I might want, and how to get them onto my phone ;)
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After being initially wowed by the iPhone I now know I won't be getting another one. The biggest annoyances is the battery life which is beyond a joke. I've had it run out by 4pm after it was charged fully and in use from 9am. What use is that to anyone?! It crashes, a lot of the apps are, well, shit and a novelty. Some stuff is great like the interaction and fluidity but I'm not as impressed 7 months on from when I first got it.
I don't think I'd have a Touch HD as it just seems a bit of a half arsed attepmt to compete with the iPhone. The Hero is pretty darn good and looks funky as well. I also like the Samsung i8910 HD that Bubba has just obtained as well. That is pretty fly.
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thanks word. does anything else from Orange stand out?
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Am officially out of the Orange loop now fella. Started a new job in the same industry but not privvy to any inside knowlegde no more. I can't remember anything else that was due out soon apart from the more mainstream devices from Sony and Samsung that had 12mp cameras.
Still have some contacts at Orange though so will see what the beat on the jungle drums says.
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After being initially wowed by the iPhone I now know I won't be getting another one. The biggest annoyances is the battery life which is beyond a joke.
the battery on me 5800 seems pretty good all things considering. can get several days going on a week depending on useage. the biggest thing is remembering not to turn it off and on, cos powering up kills the battery life.
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Would defo agree with you there, the demo 5800 we had in't shop was boss for battery life. The N85 was also muchos good. I think any phone other than an iPhone has a good battery life!
With regards to charging, another good tip is not to charge them every night. I know it used to be deemed ok but it actually makes the performance worse.
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The biggest annoyances is the battery life which is beyond a joke.
guessing that was a 3G, not the new one?
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Corectamundo.
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I've just got a touch diamond 2, and it's pretty good, but it's my first contract phone, my first experience of a touch-screen phone, and I've got no experience of an iphone. The touchscreen is pretty good, and the battery-life not bad, considering the screen-size. But my geekskill's aren't up to a proper review. :oops:
Just need to work out what apps are, what apps I might want, and how to get them onto my phone ;)
If you want more info on apps etc.. for your topaz (diamond 2) sent me a pm
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I also like the Samsung i8910 HD that Bubba has just obtained as well. That is pretty fly.
It is indeed pretty fly and only available on Orange at the moment I think. It was a little sluggish with the Orange firmware but now i've debranded it and upgraded to the latest Samsung firmware it fair flies along.
You don't have the vast array of apps that are offered for the iPhone but this is getting better all the time.
Also has GPS, an 8mp camera and can record HD video. The cam is pants in low light but here's a pic in normal (click link for full size)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2481/3811462108_be96afe2a3_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sauteedbraincells/3811462108/)
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E71 for me! Not had a chance to play with it yet, but as well as £20/month for everything I got £30 off my and Mrs. Obi's bills as she is already on 'Three'. :thumbsup:
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Great photo quality Bubba..
Seems UKB isn't the only one having the debate http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/08/great-geek-debates-iphone-vs-blackberry/ (http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/08/great-geek-debates-iphone-vs-blackberry/)
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Somewhat pertinent to the hardware is the software that smart phones run and there's a story today on RegHardware that Nokia may be phasing out the Symbian OS in favour of their Linux based Maemo (which currently runs on their tablet devices) (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/12/nokia_maemo_smartphone/).
Will likely be looking for an upgrade to the N95 in a few months, but 3's current pickings are rather poo, perhaps time to switch (or at least get what I want for the price I want!)
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Great photo quality Bubba..
Seems UKB isn't the only one having the debate http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/08/great-geek-debates-iphone-vs-blackberry/ (http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/08/great-geek-debates-iphone-vs-blackberry/)
:lol: @ "The Chuck Norris Factor" :bow:
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Will likely be looking for an upgrade to the N95 in a few months, but 3's current pickings are rather poo, perhaps time to switch (or at least get what I want for the price I want!)
After being on 3 for a few years now they're become pretty shoddy after initially being rather good. I'll be switching regardless.
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Somewhat pertinent to the hardware is the software that smart phones run and there's a story today on RegHardware that Nokia may be phasing out the Symbian OS in favour of their Linux based Maemo (which currently runs on their tablet devices) (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/12/nokia_maemo_smartphone/).
Or not... (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/13/nokia_denies_maemo/) ::)
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Avoid Palm Pre (unless you like being tracked) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8198921.stm)
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Quick heads up.
Just found out you can buy an HTC Touch HD from your local Orange shop for £100 plus a top up. That is seriously cheap.
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Soudns like a bargain there Golt!
Stuck this in the future of mobile computing thread, but just as relevant here (the gap is closing!)
Officially announced a few days ago (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/27/nokia_n900/).
I like Nokia phones + I love GNU/Linux == N900 for me :D
(http://regmedia.co.uk/2009/08/27/n900_01.jpg)
(http://regmedia.co.uk/2009/08/27/n900_03.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE#ws)
Video makes it look well "smart" :bounce: Think I'll be looking to get one of these when my contracts up later in the year :bounce:
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well impressive..
and that's from an iphone devotee..
Apple have 6 months to keep their user base IMO... the pack has closed..
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well impressive..
and that's from an iphone devotee..
Apple have 6 months to keep their user base IMO... the pack has closed..
Was thinking the other day - if you spend much/any money on apps for the Iphone - that will tend to tie you to the product when it comes to upgrades.. esp the expensive apps like TomTom etc.. I had one of the first 3g iphones, so will be looking to upgrade in a few months - so am in this quandry of wait for the new one (that will probably come next spring) or the rather limp step up of a 3gs...
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you got the tom tom app?
reviews are very mixed... dunno whether to get it :shrug:
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you got the tom tom app?
reviews are very mixed... dunno whether to get it :shrug:
Seriously don't bother - just buy a satnav instead.
It'll probably be cheaper and will work better. I tried both Tomtom and Garmin on my N95. They both worked but are nowhere near as good as a cheap dedicated Tomtom unit. A dedicated unit will work much quicker and has a much better screen for the job.
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you got the tom tom app?
reviews are very mixed... dunno whether to get it :shrug:
Naa, £60 would be OK ish for the Europe version but too steep for UK. Apparently there was a deal where CLinton cards were selling £15 Itunes vouchers for £10 (now gone) and a few people thus got it for £40...
For nav I find the maps app fine - used to reading maps so don't find I need anyone telling me to turn right, left etc... Incidentally have you tried the streetview in the maps app - not obvious (icon on left of pin location) but is really good on the iphone..
I think there are troubles with some of the Iphone satnav apps where you have to re-enter the journey again if you get a call mid navigation - which is crap really...
The main bonus of having it in your phone though is less things to carry (good) and if they include live updates/traffic shizzle in it (which they dont yet..). May be tempted if the next version of it irons out some of those bugs...
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tomtom on my touch diamond is great.
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[quote author=tomtom link=topic=12028.msg216944#msg216944 etc... Incidentally have you tried the streetview in the maps app - not obvious (icon on left of pin location) but is really good on the iphone..
[/quote]
I have now... :thumbsup:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k3zvI2tyPM&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fviralvideochart.unrulymedia.com%2Fyoutube%2Fleaked_new_iphone_commercial%3Fid%3D2k3zvI2tyPM&feature=player_embedded#t=56 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k3zvI2tyPM&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fviralvideochart.unrulymedia.com%2Fyoutube%2Fleaked_new_iphone_commercial%3Fid%3D2k3zvI2tyPM&feature=player_embedded#t=56)
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you got the tom tom app?
reviews are very mixed... dunno whether to get it :shrug:
Naa, £60 would be OK ish for the Europe version but too steep for UK. Apparently there was a deal where CLinton cards were selling £15 Itunes vouchers for £10 (now gone) and a few people thus got it for £40...
For nav I find the maps app fine - used to reading maps so don't find I need anyone telling me to turn right, left etc... Incidentally have you tried the streetview in the maps app - not obvious (icon on left of pin location) but is really good on the iphone..
I think there are troubles with some of the Iphone satnav apps where you have to re-enter the journey again if you get a call mid navigation - which is crap really...
The main bonus of having it in your phone though is less things to carry (good) and if they include live updates/traffic shizzle in it (which they dont yet..). May be tempted if the next version of it irons out some of those bugs...
Fatdoc - an update... I shelled out for the co-pilot satnave app for the Ihpone - as it was £26 instead of £60... Only been using it for a day, but seems really good. Works fine - a little bit squiffy with the gps signal, but I have it mounted down near the gearstick in the car, so not the best reception. Good bit of software though, has large screen buttons - no tippy tapping on tiny icons which is a + in the car.
Though - have also noticed that the maps app on the iphone now colours the motorways if there is a blockage etc.,. orange for slow and red for closed (I only found this out whilst sat stuck on a closed bit of motorway on friday
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I bought the TomTom Iphone app without really thinking, and later found that you can't add custom POIs like you can with a standalone unit. As I want it for finding courts in strange towns it's basically useless to me without this function. :thumbsdown:
have also noticed that the maps app on the iphone now colours the motorways if there is a blockage etc.,. orange for slow and red for closed
I've found this function to be suprisingly accurate.
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Ru, as a work around, could you add the courts addresses as individual contacts, then get the TomTom to just navigate to that contact?
Also - is it worth starting an Iphone thread in the IT section? :shrug:
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cheers.
I'll wait.
Looks a stand alone tom tom is best suited to purpose..
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i'm very happy with tomtom on my iphone. when hands free kit with gps boost and hands free calling comes out it will be perfect. having all devices in one outweighs any disadvantages imo
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(http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Rob/help.png)
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Quality ;D
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I've read the reviews but any personal knowledge on the N97?
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mental (http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/iphone-converted-into-a-heads-up-gps-display-638516)
iPhone ARider ver 0.3 by UEI / ZeptoTools (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1AzailvJB0#ws)
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a good enough reason not to buy one IMO
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For Jobs Fanboys Orange announce iPhone deal (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8278073.stm)
(Any chance this thread could be moved to Computers, technology and t'internet (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/board,26.0.html) which is where I first looked for it as it falls under that remit more than shooting the shit).
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slightly off topic, but genius article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/28/charlie-brooker-microsoft-mac-windows).
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slightly off topic, but genius article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/28/charlie-brooker-microsoft-mac-windows).
:lol:
write something on a Sony Vaio PC laptop which seemed to be running a special slow-motion edition of Windows Vista specifically designed to infuriate human beings as much as possible. Trying to get it to do anything was like issuing instructions to a depressed employee over a sluggish satellite feed. When I clicked on an application it spent a small eternity contemplating the philosophical implications of opening it, begrudgingly complying with my request several months later. It drove me up the wall. I called it a bastard and worse. At one point I punched a table.
I know Windows is awful. Everyone knows Windows is awful. Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it. OK, OK: I know other operating systems are available. But their advocates seem even creepier, snootier and more insistent than Mac owners.
:lol:
I'm not usually a fan of Brooker's vitriol but that is very good.
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back to Tomtom, I've had the phone app for an HP smartphone and now an ASUS p750 and its worked well, other than killing the battery in about 4 hours.
I read somewhere there are next generation GPS chips coming out soon which will drain 50 times less power so should be ideal for mobiles.
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thats pretty good seeing as a stand only tomtom unit only does about 4 hours anyway.
No idea how long mine goes for because its always plugged in to the docking station in my car and charging
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The Mrs has just got a HTC Hero. First impressions are good, it's touchflow is pretty simlar to my iPhone and it is a neater unit with a better camera to boot.
Just got one of these yesterday, and it seems pretty fly. Has your Missus has a problem receiving SMS at all? Alot of people on the forums are having a problem with this apparently.
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Good choice there, it's a wicked phone.
No problems so far, have you checked your message centre number to make sure it's correct? You got it on Orange?
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Yeah, it's on Orange. Mine seems to be working fine, just seemed to be a few people whinging about it. Just interested. Awesome machine tho, downloading apps is a cinch, even for me.
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Anyone got any knowlege on the merits of the HTC Hero/G2 vs Nokia's n900?
From the specs then the two seem pretty similar with the Nokia looking to have the edge with a better screen, better camera, processor and more RAM plus 32GB internal storage.
http://www.geekwithlaptop.com/compare-mobile-phones/nokia-n900-t-mobile-g2-touch-4041_3934 (http://www.geekwithlaptop.com/compare-mobile-phones/nokia-n900-t-mobile-g2-touch-4041_3934)
I'd decided to leave nokia this time round, but the new linux based OS (not s60) seems like it could be a massive improvement...
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This review of the n900 isn't as positive as it could be.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/09/02/nokia_n900_maemo5/ (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/09/02/nokia_n900_maemo5/)
I get the feeling it's saying it's a good start by Nokia, but there will be better along shortly. :shrug:
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Decent flash to come to mobile devices (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8287239.stm) (no look-in for Apple fanboys though tomtom)
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Decent flash to come to mobile devices (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8287239.stm) (no look-in for Apple fanboys though tomtom)
Yup - ho hum... btw, is there a version of RedLaser for non-iphones..? if so get it, its fantastic!
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Decent flash to come to mobile devices (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8287239.stm) (no look-in for Apple fanboys though tomtom)
Yup - ho hum... btw, is there a version of RedLaser for non-iphones..? if so get it, its fantastic!
My N95 has a built in app that reads barcodes (1 and 2-dimensional), but I've not seen anything that integrates the reading with searching for prices yet and a cursory search doesn't turn up a RedLaser version for Symbian.
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Ok techno geeks (btw geek in my book is a complement).
I've just got myself a i9 3G. I really got it just for it's true dual sim ability (3 phones is getting a bit silly, at least I have now cut it down to 2 )
Has anyone had a go at getting web and e-mail working on one? I would be fine with not getting it working, but you know once you know you might be able to do something, it drives you crazy if you can't get it working :'(
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Ok techno geeks (btw geek in my book is a complement).
;D I take pride in being a geek
I've just got myself a i9 3G. I really got it just for it's true dual sim ability (3 phones is getting a bit silly, at least I have now cut it down to 2 )
Has anyone had a go at getting web and e-mail working on one? I would be fine with not getting it working, but you know once you know you might be able to do something, it drives you crazy if you can't get it working :'(
Not even heard of these I'm afraid (Googling suggests its from Ciphone, again a company I've not even heard of, but that means nothing more than I'm a little ignorant, are they unbranded clones of apples iphones as this (http://www.diytrade.com/china/4/products/4954566/Ciphone_i9_3G_I9_3G_quad_band_dual_sim_cards_with_JAVA_chinese_mobile_phone.html) suggests). In light of that I've no idea how to get it going I'm afraid.
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Decent flash to come to mobile devices (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8287239.stm) (no look-in for Apple fanboys though tomtom)
Yup - ho hum... btw, is there a version of RedLaser for non-iphones..? if so get it, its fantastic!
My N95 has a built in app that reads barcodes (1 and 2-dimensional), but I've not seen anything that integrates the reading with searching for prices yet and a cursory search doesn't turn up a RedLaser version for Symbian.
There is a few apps on the Android market place that claim to do this, haven't tried them though.
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the missus got the palm pre yesterday
got to say it was very nice, sleek and rounded - unlike my clumpy n97...whould have waited
even the qwerty keypad wasn't that bad...if my fingers were any fatter i may have had problems
only thing is no touchstone wireless charging that they marketed the pre on. that costs an extra £50 or so.
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Palm Pre's sound interesting.
Nokia sue Apple over iPhone patent infringement (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/10/22/nokia_sues_apple_iphone/) :lol:
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i guess nokia (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8308652.stm) have to make their money somehow ;)
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i guess nokia (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8308652.stm) have to make their money somehow ;)
:lol:
"Right boys we've not made any money this quarter, how can we claw some back?"
"I know lets sue Apple for patent infringement"
:bow:
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Another smartphone due to hit the market next month. The Acer Liquid A1 (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/11/17/acer_a1_launch/), comes with Android on so will be up against the HTC Hero (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/10/review_phone_htc_hero/) (I'm currently vying towards when my contract is up in the new year).
(http://regmedia.co.uk/2009/10/14/acer_a1.jpg)
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Has anyone heard when Android 2.0 is out? Cant wait to get my hands on Google's new sat nav app, but it'll only work with 2.0. I can't believe I-phone users have paid 60 fuck all's for Tom Tom.
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It's out already.... http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.0.html (http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.0.html)
Just got to wait for it to make its way to devices. I think the new Droid has it on and is already on sale, HTC are bringing it to the Hero and are currently updating Sense UI to work with it. http://twitter.com/htc/status/5243593307 (http://twitter.com/htc/status/5243593307)
Not sure about the other existing phones like the G1, some may not have the memory required to run it from what I've read.
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Has anyone heard when Android 2.0 is out?
When its ready I expect. There's lots of noise (http://tinyurl.com/yghrltt) but your best bet is to just keep your eye on the official blog (http://android-developers.blogspot.com/?hl=en)
Cant wait to get my hands on Google's new sat nav app, but it'll only work with 2.0. I can't believe I-phone users have paid 60 fuck all's for Tom Tom.
Not just iPhone users, but anyone who's bought a SatNav device! Just look at how the share-prices in TomTom dropped (http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=TOM2.AS#chart2:symbol=tom2.as;range=3m;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined) on the 30th October when Google announced their SatNav app. Ditto for Garmin (http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=GRMN#symbol=GRMN;range=3m).
Can't believe my wife paid a few hundred quid for hers a few years back, at least she got some use out of it before it was made redundant, although given how shite the companies are at updating maps in light of road works/changes in lay outs (e.g. several years before Sheffield maps would be updated after the new shit ring-road extra standing space for cars at rush hour).
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Does Google's SatNav thingy work in the UK?
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worth keeping your eyes on this thread/forum cos I think it will appear on there first
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=585181 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=585181)
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Not just iPhone users, but anyone who's bought a SatNav device!
Not for me - I need a widescreen Satnav, something phone sized isn't much use.
And how quick will Google be with road layout changes? How much data bandwidth will the app use? Pushing the latest maps to your phone is going to use some data. Does it actually work that well? All I've seen is one video, and one independent review which says it's not as good as the best dedicated systems...
Lots of unknowns before writing off TomTom just yet :)
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Has anyone heard when Android 2.0 is out? Cant wait to get my hands on Google's new sat nav app, but it'll only work with 2.0. I can't believe I-phone users have paid 60 fuck all's for Tom Tom.
I baulked at 60 sheets, but spent £25 on copilot in the Ifern... The google app wont work (I dont think) where there is no coverage (unless they allow cache-ing of maps) so it can still be more reliable to have something thats off net so to speak. £60 is way too much, but probably £10-20 is reasonable for effectively buying the map data. Of course the europe version would be very useful to stop you having to pay roaming rates....
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Not for me - I need a widescreen Satnav, something phone sized isn't much use.
Is that for your wide-load?
And how quick will Google be with road layout changes? How much data bandwidth will the app use? Pushing the latest maps to your phone is going to use some data. Does it actually work that well? All I've seen is one video, and one independent review which says it's not as good as the best dedicated systems...
Lots of unknowns before writing off TomTom just yet :)
All fair and true points. Some speculation in this (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/6462074/Is-Google-Maps-Navigation-a-satnav-killer.html) that maps will be cached.
Road layout wise it sounds as though it will be more up-to-date than TomTom et al with the above article purporting to have live traffic information pushed through. I can't envisage it being any worse than current SatNav.
Personally I've just been using GoogleMaps to plan a route at home for some time now. If I want to see close-ups of the map then I'll zoom to desired level of detail and follow the route on the map so the route is cached. Admittedly not ideal if you find yourself in the arse end of nowhere with no signal whatsoever, but its not bad for free. (I also keep a road map handy too!).
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I got horribly lost in mid wales in the middle of the night, due to my trust in google maps. Without reception, you wont have maps.
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Is that for your wide-load?
Yeah :) The windscreen is quite a reach away in a truck and you can barely see any detail on a phone sized device, let alone trying to operate it with an oily finger!
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of course you'll have all that blood on your fingers from all the dead strippers in your trailer.
Anyway, When I eventually get my working diamond 2 I will have WVGA 3.2" tomtom in widescreen or landscape on my phone which is about as big as a std tomtom unit in screen size ;D
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Word - just to say this thread has been brilliant in my search for my newest upgrade. Have gone with the HTC following the feedback...will report back once I've used it in anger.
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I nearly bought an Iphone today until phones4U said I had to take out £12 per month insurance there and then (can't get it retrospectively). Which got me doing some searches and bringing up threads about how this is a rip off and how Orange (I have been with Orange for years and was about to upgrade to an Orange Ipod) were v expensive on European calls/texts. As I'm in Europe a fair few times a year, really I should be shopping around to see who is best for Euro texting/phoning. Anyone know? I know this is slightly :off: but I've gone from just trying to decided between a Blackberry and Iphone to realising I might be better changing network too...
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Phones4ripoff... wankers...
The Craphonewhorehouse are better - though the whole market is full of sharks...
Iphones the way forward.... ;) though could be worth waiting until Dec when Vodafone bring it out...
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though could be worth waiting until Dec when Vodafone bring it out...
that's what i'm thinking.
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The iPhone 4G is out next year.......
And I now work for phones4u and the insurance is steep but is way more comprehensive than others.
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Check whether your house insurance covers it - mine with M&S does - much cheaper that way.
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Well, the hero must be easy to use if I can set it up and be on ukb 3g this quickly!
Think it's a great phone, v intuitive straight away...just got to get the sat nav and a few apps sorted now!
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Tom. My phone is covered on our house insurance.
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Nice one Two Tone, I'd get a hold of Google Sky, Ringdroid, which is great for editing parts of tune's for ringtone's, the free version of Adv Task Killer as the phone doesn't really shut down apps itself, and the mighty Shazam.
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Word Zod's - that's my weekend's geek activities sorted!
:bounce:
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I think I remember reader on another forum that O2 were best in the euro zone for price
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Last time we went to Font we got the usual texts from O2 saying that we'd be charged whatever amount per min / text etc while in France. However when I got the bill they had just deducted all minutes and texts used from our monthly allowance. In other words, a week's worth of usage in Europe for two phones cost me FUCK ALL.
Mobile phone insurance is a con. Decent house insurance covers them plus you get it free with certain bank accounts etc. Don't pay for it.
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I use O2 as for under £5 a month I recieve all calls in Europe for free. Definately saves me loads.
Just waiting for a provider that does a pan european contract rather than country specific then special arangements for roaming, for both phones and internet. I can only dream.
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It's only a matter of time. When you think about what mobile bills were like just a few years ago compared to now it's shocking what they got away with charging (and everyone just accepted it!). The costs will keep coming down because "roaming" is also a con.
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My test Blackberry Storm2 (9560?) and Tour (bold2/9700) landed yesterday. Storm looks a big improvement, although I still dont think I would buy one. Tour is hot to trot however and a really ace little device. Best of 8900 and bold. When I have had them longer than overnight I shall report more.
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3 are fucking shite.
Just phoned to see if they have a flat-fee that I could pay for a week abroad and they don't have any.
Costs...
Making calls whilst abroad 34p/min
Receiving calls whilst abroad 15p/min
Internet £1.25/Mb!!!!
Sending Text 11p
Receiving Free
What a fucking joke!!! Even more impetus to leave when contract is up in January (told the poor telephone jockey this too, she said she'd make at note of it as feedback, will it make any difference, will it fuck!!!).
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3 are fucking shite.
Just phoned to see if they have a flat-fee that I could pay for a week abroad and they don't have any.
Costs...
Making calls whilst abroad 34p/min
Receiving calls whilst abroad 15p/min
Internet £1.25/Mb!!!!
Sending Text 11p
Receiving Free
What a fucking joke!!! Even more impetus to leave when contract is up in January (told the poor telephone jockey this too, she said she'd make at note of it as feedback, will it make any difference, will it fuck!!!).
I dont mind this when I'm on holiday.. it gives me impetus to not use the phone, check the web or send texts.. just to escape from it all and avoid news, tweets, emails etc...
Went to Cuba earlier this year and had one text and saw no news / media for 2 weeks. Bliss :)
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If I wanted that I wouldn't take my phone with me! ;)
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A mate of mine is with T-Mobile and when he went to Prague recently thought he'd take advantage of their service by which you pay £10 or whatever and get a block of usage. They then text you to let you know if it's running out and you can buy another block etc. Except they didn't text him, charged him an additional £35 and refused to refund any of it despite admitting that they hadn't let him know it was running out when they should have. In comparison to O2 their service sounds fucking abysmal.
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http://gizmodo.com/5145151/iphone-4g-concept-is-a-macbook-in-a-phone (http://gizmodo.com/5145151/iphone-4g-concept-is-a-macbook-in-a-phone)
I'm having that
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As I'm in Europe a fair few times a year, really I should be shopping around to see who is best for Euro texting/phoning. Anyone know?
My tariff with T-mobile includes calls and text within Europe, the USA and a few other places in the call allowance. They're still charging through the nose per minute so it would be expensive to go over allowance but as i rarely get close to using the £220 allowance it works for me. Costs £35 a month which is better than a £120 bill every other month because the missus insists on phoning me 20 minutes a day when I'm abroad... Not much use if you want an I-phone though.
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http://gizmodo.com/5145151/iphone-4g-concept-is-a-macbook-in-a-phone (http://gizmodo.com/5145151/iphone-4g-concept-is-a-macbook-in-a-phone)
I'm having that
Sadly, it looks like its just a mock up and mock spec of someones wish list...
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The key word being "CONCEPT". ;)
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looks shiny :)
me like shiny ;D
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The shininess has blinded you to reason hasn't it. Try some of these. 8)
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Still no mp3 decks or massive number 5 though
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Just a word for the fellow Jimmy Hill phone owners out there...
My Hero spazzed out over the weekend - headphones randomly stopped working, all sound coming out of speakers regardless whether any phones were plugged in.
Performed the old 'IT Helpdesk fix' (switch off and on again...) and it's now working fine. Bizarre.
Thought I'd mention it in case anyone's had similar.
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Either that or do a hard-reset (back up your data first tho)
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Just a word for the fellow Jimmy Hill phone owners out there...
My Hero spazzed out over the weekend - headphones randomly stopped working, all sound coming out of speakers regardless whether any phones were plugged in.
Performed the old 'IT Helpdesk fix' (switch off and on again...) and it's now working fine. Bizarre.
Thought I'd mention it in case anyone's had similar.
My Hero did this too and seemed to sort itself out, hasn't done it since. Some people on the Hero forums mentioned this too, Jim's solution seems to be the right idea.
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Nokia N900 reviewed (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/07/review_phone_nokia_n900_smartphone/).
Sounds very tempting, going to have to decide between that and the Hero, probably be dictated by availability on different providors/contracts that will determine my choice.
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just a quick note of intrest to people with smartphones, there is some free software by aviasoft that can help identify birds, trees, fungi, butterflies etc...
you'll have to search for it on your platform but it seems pretty good for your average joe when you see a bird "I wonder what that is etc...." or picking mushrooms etc...
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Tesco's to offer iPhone from next week (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/10/tesaco_iphone_launch/)
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Tesco's to offer iPhone from next week (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/10/tesaco_iphone_launch/)
If you have a jailbroken Iphone theres now an app that allows you to download any of the apps found on the app store for free... be interesting to see how long that one lasts/works (esp as tomtom app - for example - is £60 sheets...)
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Tesco's to offer iPhone from next week (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/10/tesaco_iphone_launch/)
If you have a jailbroken Iphone theres now an app that allows you to download any of the apps found on the app store for free... be interesting to see how long that one lasts/works (esp as tomtom app - for example - is £60 sheets...)
You've written your own iPhone app and it sells for £60? What does it do, provide weather & beta on any bouldering location :bounce: :P
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Tesco's to offer iPhone from next week (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/10/tesaco_iphone_launch/)
If you have a jailbroken Iphone theres now an app that allows you to download any of the apps found on the app store for free... be interesting to see how long that one lasts/works (esp as tomtom app - for example - is £60 sheets...)
You've written your own iPhone app and it sells for £60? What does it do, provide weather & beta on any bouldering location :bounce: :P
hmm,.. I may have had a grammar/sense failure....
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Tesco's to offer iPhone from next week (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/10/tesaco_iphone_launch/)
If you have a jailbroken Iphone theres now an app that allows you to download any of the apps found on the app store for free... be interesting to see how long that one lasts/works (esp as tomtom app - for example - is £60 sheets...)
You've written your own iPhone app and it sells for £60? What does it do, provide weather & beta on any bouldering location :bounce: :P
hmm,.. I may have had a grammar/sense failure....
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Iphone on Tesco mobile 12 month contract costs £462 to own compared to £624 with Orange or £626 with 02 on 18 month contracts:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/retailing/article6952597.ece (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/retailing/article6952597.ece)
Wonder what Vodafone are going to charge in January?
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Preview of Google's Nexus One (http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/02/exclusive-google-nexus-one-hands-on-video-and-first-impressio/) ahead of the expected official announcement today.
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built by HTC of course
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"The only rival that outstrips it, however, is precisely the one that the Nexus One is most desperate to beat: Apple's iPhone. " (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/jan/05/google-nexus-one-mobile-launch)
What numpty decided to call it the Nexus one...? sounds like something Alan Partridge would own :)
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"The only rival that outstrips it, however, is precisely the one that the Nexus One is most desperate to beat: Apple's iPhone. " (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/jan/05/google-nexus-one-mobile-launch)
Thats a strange thing for the author to write, considering its based on a short-write up from Endgadget who haven't reviewed it properly, and it also fails to say why it doesn't "beat" the iPhone. The Endgadget article indicates that the camera is superior in the Nexus which would be a good selling point for me (although the main selling point is not having to be tied into the restrictive iPhone apps/iTunes crap, oh, and of course Android being Linux based, but that goes without saying :P)
What numpty decided to call it the Nexus one...? sounds like something Alan Partridge would own :)
Yeah, its a pretty shit name, but slightly more original than pre-fixing everything with 'i' which is really fucking annoying now that every iMan and his iDog is doing it.
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Its official (http://www.google.com/phone/)
Now then need to hurry the fuck up and get it out in the UK so I can get my mits on one :spank:
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Wired came out with a similar article about the Nexus 1, calling it an iPhone clone. Pretty sick of all the iBumming going on by the supposed geekzines.
I've still not seen anything on the nexus 1 or any of the android phones that makes it a better proposition than an Iphone.... My Iphone contract is up tomorrow - and I was interested in the nexusX1221(zx) but why bother? sorry google but no wow factor there for me....
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Define "better" :P
Hardware spec?
Ease of use (e.g. accuracy of touch typing on a screen)?
Quality of pictures?
Besides which there is no "best" phone, there are phones that are most suited to an individuals requirements.
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I've just gone and got mesen a HTC Hero (or T - Mobile Touch G2), because although I really fancied an iphone, I didn't fancy paying iphone money, and for 24 quid a month get 1000 minutes of calls and unlimited everything else, a dedicated business account manager, and a 2 year next day replacement warranty.
I shall report back forthwith when I know how it works etc...
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I've just gone and got mesen a HTC Hero (or T - Mobile Touch G2), because although I really fancied an iphone, I didn't fancy paying iphone money, and for 24 quid a month get 1000 minutes of calls and unlimited everything else, a dedicated business account manager, and a 2 year next day replacement warranty.
I shall report back forthwith when I know how it works etc...
Who (presumably T-Mobile)/where did you get that deal with and were you already with them?
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I've just gone and got mesen a HTC Hero (or T - Mobile Touch G2), because although I really fancied an iphone, I didn't fancy paying iphone money, and for 24 quid a month get 1000 minutes of calls and unlimited everything else, a dedicated business account manager, and a 2 year next day replacement warranty.
I shall report back forthwith when I know how it works etc...
Who (presumably T-Mobile)/where did you get that deal with and were you already with them?
Yes, T-mobile.
No - I had a referral from a colleague - he and I also got 25 quid credit for the referral, so it's not a bad deal at all.
If anyone wants to get the same deal the fella's cool with it so PM me for details (you don't have to be 'a business' either)
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If you are really interested the name Nexus one is a Philip K Dick reference from the book 'Do Androids dream of electric sheep?'. The name of the Androids in the book was Nexus. Philip K Dicks daughter is threatening to sue Google.
As an aside, we got her an iPhone 3Gs for xmas and whilst I still love my actual keyboard on my blackberry, its pretty fucking cool and my faith is shaken.
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If you are really interested the name Nexus one is a Philip K Dick reference from the book 'Do Androids dream of electric sheep?'. The name of the Androids in the book was Nexus. Philip K Dicks daughter is threatening to sue Google.
I did read that in the news actually. Google do like dick it seems (android, nexus)... ;D
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Philip K Dicks daughter
sounds like a tabloid headline.
I can't believe no-one has yet mentioned horseshoe quarry.
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I did read that in the news actually. Google do like dick it seems (android, nexus)... ;D
Everyone should like Dick, he's great! Do Androids and A Scanner Darkly are two of my favourite books.
I'm really happy with my Android, except for the battery life, if that's all the improved on the Nexus I'd be happy!
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I can't believe no-one has yet mentioned horseshoe quarry.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Dense installing ring bolt lower-offs off the shoulder of Orion. I watched Fiend wearing socks in his boots near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time...
Blade Runner - time to die (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOW4QiOD-oc#)
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I've just gone and got mesen a HTC Hero (or T - Mobile Touch G2), because although I really fancied an iphone, I didn't fancy paying iphone money, and for 24 quid a month get 1000 minutes of calls and unlimited everything else, a dedicated business account manager, and a 2 year next day replacement warranty.
I shall report back forthwith when I know how it works etc...
Who (presumably T-Mobile)/where did you get that deal with and were you already with them?
Yes, T-mobile.
No - I had a referral from a colleague - he and I also got 25 quid credit for the referral, so it's not a bad deal at all.
If anyone wants to get the same deal the fella's cool with it so PM me for details (you don't have to be 'a business' either)
Will PM shortly, but does the "everything else umlimited" include net usage, 'cause thats the main thing I use my phone for :P
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I bloomin' well hope so ;D
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Just got a Nokia 5800 as I lost my Tocco and they didn't have any in stock to replace it with so I decided to go for the 5800, first impressions are quite good I'm still getting used to it though, wish 02 would hurry up and activate my sim :wall:
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Define "better" :P
Hardware spec?
Ease of use (e.g. accuracy of touch typing on a screen)?
Quality of pictures?
Besides which there is no "best" phone, there are phones that are most suited to an individuals requirements.
this article sums up why I'm not convinced by the Nexus one.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/jan/08/google-nexus-one-phone (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/jan/08/google-nexus-one-phone)
No multi touch - and for me no connection to MS exchange (for work email) which is so so so good on the iphone (I wish my computer had the iphone email client instead of outlook... its so fast..)
I think the article goes a bit OTT on the google big brother thing - but I find it odd that people seem to dislike the iphone for the 'every cnut's got one' factor or 'apple taking things over' ideas yet seem to ignore the looming omnipresence of google in our lives!
For me the Iphone is the best phone/computer/gadget I have ever bought.. I use it all the time for loads and loads of things.. I wish it were - faster, better camera, better battery life and sometimes a normal keypad would be good (capacitance touch does not work with gloves on for example) but I suspect the next one annoucned (summer?) will probably be the same but faster better screen and a wee bit smaller etc.. (incremental improvements)...
What I think apple have been quite sneaky about is the 'extras'. In the 18 months I've had my iphone I have invested in probably £60-70 worth of apps, a car charger/cradle/fm transmitter thingy @£50 a DAB radio with a iphone socket £40 and a ipod speaker dock thing £80 - so I have a couple of hundred quids worth of 'stuff' that would be redundant if I didnt use the iphone (I could use it as an ipod still of course). So in some ways I'm already committed to getting the next model etc.. not something I'm overly comfortable with and would be circumvented if apple (and everyone else) used the same connector (which soem have agreed to do I understand).
shrug..
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Has anyone got first (or indeed second) hand experience of using an N900 yet?
I see they've just started doing it on O2. I can upgrade in June and was thinking of going for an N86 but the N900 looks pretty fucking cool (for the sake of an extra £5 or so a month depending on how conducive to blagging O2 are at the moment).
Thing is, I'm not a massive geek when it comes to these things but I could do with something that works well for internet browsing, email and other simple shit. I don't want an iphone because everyone's got one, I think they're gay, the camera is shit and I'm not overly keen on only having touchscreen, plus I've always been a Nokia fan.
Is it going to be worth my while getting an N900 or will it do 1000000 things I don't need it to and therefore leave me thinking I should have just got the N86 instead?
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What would Gordon Brown do? :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Bit early mate? :alky: :P
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Utterly sober, just childish and it's never to early to make a childish joke at Gordon Brown's expense.
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Has anyone got first (or indeed second) hand experience of using an N900 yet?
I see they've just started doing it on O2. I can upgrade in June and was thinking of going for an N86 but the N900 looks pretty fucking cool (for the sake of an extra £5 or so a month depending on how conducive to blagging O2 are at the moment).
Thing is, I'm not a massive geek when it comes to these things but I could do with something that works well for internet browsing, email and other simple shit. I don't want an iphone because everyone's got one, I think they're gay, the camera is shit and I'm not overly keen on only having touchscreen, plus I've always been a Nokia fan.
Is it going to be worth my while getting an N900 or will it do 1000000 things I don't need it to and therefore leave me thinking I should have just got the N86 instead?
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I know someone who's got one and he really likes it. Haven't had a play myself as I don't see him that often, but my neighbour who does seem him more frequently has been very impressed and is likely to make the switch as he's due to upgrade from his N95.
The N900 is running a customised Linux distro 8)
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Get an Ifern Jasper - you know it makes sense...
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when are those new HTC thingies out?
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I know someone who's got one and he really likes it. Haven't had a play myself as I don't see him that often, but my neighbour who does seem him more frequently has been very impressed and is likely to make the switch as he's due to upgrade from his N95.
The N900 is running a customised Linux distro 8)
Are they ubergeeks like you though slackers or nearer to the tech-idiot level that I'm at?
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Are they ubergeeks like you though slackers or nearer to the tech-idiot level that I'm at?
Nowhere near geeks, you'd be fine I reckon.
I'm loving the HTC Hero I got, very nice, easy to use, lots of different functionality (e.g. WiFi Analyser for scanning for wireless networks, analysing strength and suggesting alternative channels to avoid interference; another app for port scanning attached network devices, although I guess this is a but geeky, but there are lots of games etc. too).
Downside is having to wait for the Android 2.* upgrade.
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Thing is, I'm not a massive geek when it comes to these things but I could do with something that works well for internet browsing, email and other simple shit. I don't want an iphone because everyone's got one, I think they're gay, the camera is shit and I'm not overly keen on only having touchscreen
BlackBerry 9700? Love mine.
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Me too. I got the curve first but wasnt happy with it so sent it back and got the Bold. All in all a very good phone.
It just needs a good talking GPS and something like this: http://www.viewranger.com/vrproductinfo.php (http://www.viewranger.com/vrproductinfo.php) and it will be spot on.
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Much better cameras on the Nokias though innit. Looks like similar deals available on O2 on the Blackberry so it's something to consider.
Are they ubergeeks like you though slackers or nearer to the tech-idiot level that I'm at?
Nowhere near geeks, you'd be fine I reckon.
Nice one.
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Quick comment on nokia camera, might be relevent: The camera on my 5800 is shit. Half of it is the user interface, in that whatever settings you change from the default, like if you want to go with B&W or change the white balance, these get set back to the factory default every time you close the camera application. This is just garbage and very poorly thought out - the camera on my old sony was much better in this respect.
The other problem is the "flash". I say flash, cos in actual fact is just a constant LED light that comes on for the duration of the exposure, which means it doesn't remotely freeze motion. So you want to take a quick photo indoors, you try without flash and of course its blurred cos your 1 year old won't stay still for long enough, plus the camera set itself to a five-figure ISO so its noisy as fuck.
So you turn the flash on, and hey presto you still get a blurred photo because instead of an instant flash you get a long-duration LED light which means you still get a blurred photo, just one where everything in the foreground is blue (since the camera isn't smart enough to change the whitebalance to flash/daylight) and cos the light is so weak its still at high ISO.....what utter shit. Also cos its a lond duration it makes your one year old blink, so in the photo his eyes will be either half or entirely shut. It could also be to do with the fact the phone can't get the data off the sensor fast enough to use a proper flash, but either way its bollocks. Its like taking a step back to the 1890s and using gunpowder for your flash etc.
So be careful to check out the camera on your proposed nokia first. Or just get a D3x.
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Cheers Dave. Sounds like a familiar story. My current Nokia can take half decent photos but only if conditions are perfect. It's like a gritstone camera.
Reviews I've read seem to rate the cameras on the N86 (in particular) and the N900. The shots I've seen taken by them certainly piss all over the ones I can get on my current phone (which I think is similar to the one on your 5800).
Both still have the LED flash bollocks though unfortunately although the review of the N86 seemed to rate it as being much improved.
This is quite important to me and is one of the main reasons iwont be getting an iamgayphone. ;)
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This is quite important to me and is one of the main reasons iwont be getting an iamgayphone. ;)
That sounds like a touch of repressed iphoneuality there :) go on, you know you want to really :)
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Palm Pre?
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Palm Pre?
Looks shit.
Next. ;)
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Wasp T12 Speechtool?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1DLWqGcWD8U/Swgtd8qdIxI/AAAAAAAAAf0/CGkvMMf9gUE/s400/Nathan+Barley+DVD.jpg)
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Good arrows Cofe... I was suggesting something from the other end of the demographic ;)
(http://www.matobmobile.co.uk/images/doro_handle_easy_330_gsm_mid.jpg) (http://www.matobmobile.co.uk/index.php?id=about_doro_handle_easy_330_gsm_mobile_phone)
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^ Too many buttons.
This is really easy to use.
(http://www.silverphone.co.uk/shop/images/easy5_plus_noir.jpg)
Speed dial options
(http://www.silverphone.co.uk/shop/images/344.jpg)
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Not sure what it counts for but my Nokia E71 spent over an hour at the bottom of the lake in Endcliffe Park only to still be turned on and in full working order when a friendly fisherman lent me his net to retrieve it! (the buggy and Obi's car keys also made full recoveries...)
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Bonus! :thumbsup:
Its sometimes quite amazing how resilient things are, I put a USB stick through a full cycle on the washing machine and it still works fine two years later. :)
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You'd have to be pretty unlucky to have your washing machines damaged by a usb stick.
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I was worried during the first couple of washes post USB faux pas, but my fears were quickly assuaged and its been fine ever since. Wouldn't like to risk it again though. :P
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I use this method to get rid of any spurious points in my data.... ::)
I also use the washing machine to generate data.
I get lots of balls (in a national lottery stylee) and put on a gentle spin - then use the order they came out of the washing machine to determine that Accapi clothing improves my climbing performance~!
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With the exception of Mrs Obi (know someone with an E72 and it's quite cool) you fuckers haven't exactly been helpful on this page!
Looks like the N86 is no longer available and with no news of when the amazing looking N87 will be released it narrows things down a bit. Mind you, I've got til June.........
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iphone 4G might be out by then pet man ha way.... ;)
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Tell someone who gives an ishyte cannee lad. :yawn:
Bet the camera's still iwank. :P
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I've got myself an HTC HD2 and I'm pretty chuffed with it so far. still trying to get to grips with it fully but on the whole I'm happy. its not quite as fluid as my iphone was but I couldn't care less.
I was well hacked off and bored to tears with it! viva HTC!
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New iphone is out.........
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for 3G owners off contract by now ( such as me) it probably offers enough to buy a new device. Have to say the video calling looks a bit dodgy, as if i read it right you need wifi and 2 devices... but the battery life / speed and HD video look awesome and for work the mail app changes are useful.
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It does look less gay than the last one (not difficult) but I still think I'll hang on to see what this is like:
http://events.nokia.com/NokiaN8/ (http://events.nokia.com/NokiaN8/)
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New iphone looks pretty good to me. New OS for 3G and 3Gs should be out on 21 June too. It was pretty hilarious following Charles Arthur's live blog on the Gaydian, particularly when he suggested drafting in Marina Hyde when Jobs started saying Apple were combing technology with humanity.
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New iphone is out.........
24th June no?
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I got an HTC Desire a couple of months back and I genuinely can't fault it. If you want a phone with a good camera (not something I'm bothered about) then it's probably not for you.
The Android OS is super-quick, user friendly, customizable. The Sat Nav works a treat (just uses google, but actually gives you directions on the fly like a tomtom or whatever.
There's so many little things that just work and make life so simple. Calendar that links to gmail and exchange. Contacts from work, gmail, facebook (they update automatically if people have thei number listed).
Battery life isn't horrific, you can get a few apps off Android Marketplace that help you manage power useage. I usually get 2-3 days out of a charge. (or 1 day if I use a lot of internet/GPS/wifi).
:bow:
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http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/out-of-date-iphone-users-forced-to-sit-at-back-of-bus-201006082795/ (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/out-of-date-iphone-users-forced-to-sit-at-back-of-bus-201006082795/)
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/05/iphone-4-apple-new (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/05/iphone-4-apple-new)
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I ended up ordering an HTC Legend. Bit lower spec (on the processor) and slightly smaller screen than the Desire but so nice looking:
(http://www.uncrate.com/men/images/2010/02/htc-legend.jpg)
And made from a solid lump of metal which is good as I will definitely drop the fucker at some point.
Just gotta wait for the bastard bank to send me a statement as need proof of address having just moved house (had to do third party upgrade as o2 don't do the Legend direct).
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iPhone4 vs HTC Evo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg#)
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I was thinking I might wait for a Motorola Droid X to land on these shores.
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From what I can see there's no word yet on a UK release date........ or do you have better information!?
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No mate. All I can get out of our Vodafone account team is that I should be testing a Nexus one and isnt it great?
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Not as great as the Desire which is essentially the same phone as the Nexus, but with slightly higher spec (faster processor and RAM if I remember correctly).
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http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/htc-legend-vs-htc-desire-vs-google-nexus-one-670833 (http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/htc-legend-vs-htc-desire-vs-google-nexus-one-670833)
Who's gonna buy the Legend? If you're the kind of person that values form as much as functionality (and for some reason don't want the iPhone) then you should definitely give the HTC Legend the once over.
:wave:
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Form(/style) is for poseurs...
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2233/2350077329_76fa9cdac3.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adampowell/2350077329/)
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:wave: :wave:
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on shopping list, once upgraded to android 2.x
Dell Streak Tablet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6borH5yQxA#ws)
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recent experience with nokias with microUSB chargers is disapointing. why couldn't they use miniUSB like most others is beyond me. never had any problems with miniUSB chargers
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on shopping list, once upgraded to android 2.x
Tris has one of these - maybe get some heads up from him about them?
T
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Antennagate mars Apple's iPhone 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNSHA3FBW2U#ws)
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(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5tne8DoAD1qzpwi0o1_400.jpg)
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(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5tne8DoAD1qzpwi0o1_400.jpg)
8)
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(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9113/meneither.jpg)
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But it's an iPhone, Jen! I may be able to get an iPhone without giving any money to Apple. I'll be living the dream!
;D
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God I love the IT Crowd.
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Important ramifications for jailbreakers (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/us-ruling-allows-iphone-users-to-alter-software-2036476.html)
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Changing operators' fixed phone settings - a concept known as 'jailbreaking' - has become widely popular around the world since the 2007 introduction of Apple's iPhone.
what a load of bollocks.
this has been popular long before iphones where around
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Ah but Jim you forget that NOTHING mattered before the introduction of the iamgayphone.
:wank:
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and fancy calling it 'jailbreaking'.
used to just get called (and still does by everyone except iphone users) un-locking or debranding
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In fairness to the big gaylords, it is quite subtely different.
Debranding a Nokia :
change the product code and flash it with a generic firmware - which just removes all the operators gay splash screens and so on
Jailbraking a iClone :
this is taking it out of the apple walled garden - by default you can only install stuff from the app store, jailbraking allows you to install a whole world of shite.
The iClone never had teh operator branding in the first place, its about allowing you what you could always do even on an branded nokia.
Apple will argue they want to protect the user experience by ensuring all apps are tested first, but you could view it as they wish to maintain control of what you can do and see.
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Actually, unlocking and debranding (sorry non geeks, you can stop reading) :
unlocking is removing the oplocks so you can (for instance) put an o2 sim in an orange phone.
Debranding doesnt unlock the phone it just removes (for instance) a vodafone start up splash.
God, I'm boring myself now.
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well you learn something new everyday, even more glad I don't and will never own a iclone
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I'm currently rocking on eof these bad boys.
(http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam/sony_ericsson/k850i/200710142246Dhg6JW_n.jpg)
You can keep your smart phones an all!!!
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Be careful with Blackberrys in the UAE (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10761210)
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well if people buy a smart phone just to use as a phone then they are bound to get pissed off with it
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Don't be smart
phone arse James! ;)
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[geek warning]
Dabbled with my first bit of debranding recently. My E71 on Three was stuck in the dark ages of v300 software. Quick debranding exercise put a generic euro product code on it and the Nokia Software updater was then happy to shove the latest software on it (v500). Dead easy. What I was most impressed with (and surprised with) was the way the phone still went and got the correct Three network settings and configs automatically. The need for branded software is bollocks. Since then the phone hasn't dropped a single call (which was the main reason for doing it)
:thumbsup:
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[geek warning]
Dabbled with my first bit of debranding recently. My E71 on Three was stuck in the dark ages of v300 software. Quick debranding exercise put a generic euro product code on it and the Nokia Software updater was then happy to shove the latest software on it (v500). Dead easy. What I was most impressed with (and surprised with) was the way the phone still went and got the correct Three network settings and configs automatically. The need for branded software is bollocks. Since then the phone hasn't dropped a single call (was was the main reason for doing it)
:thumbsup:
have done this with every nokia since the days of the n73, works brilliantly. every phone that is sim free should aquire network settings automatically.
branded software = shite
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Just taken delivery of my HTC Desire. I have to say, on first impressions, it is excellent. Only downside seems to be battery is supposedly poor.
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Not many smart phones that'll go for much more than a day with usage.
I'm sure you know the obvious like turn off GPS if not in use, reduce the frequency of roaming updates for different apps, blah blah blah.
Best twitter client I've come across it touieur, there are Spotify clients, Dropbox (easy way to get stuff synced with your computer). Wifi Analyzer is handy for seeing what Wifi networks are available. Task Manager is useful for killing things off, Astro File Manager is good too.
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every android phone I have used doesn't come with a file manager. have had to download one.
pretty poor IMHO
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Yeah, but you can at least download one - and i bet you dont have to pay for it. No concept of a file manager with an iPhone either. And the requirement to tether to iTunes to manage content is restrictive.
Suprised you consider this a problem jim - you love meddling with your phone (hence why you've kept flogging that dead M$ phone operating system horse).
I dont know what to buy next to be honest. I'm totally happy with my BlackBerry, as a messaging device thats a phone its brilliant. Yes browsing is log, and the screen is a bit wee for media, but I get my podcasts automatically to it, battery life is ok and it works fine in areas of poor signal. The hyperbole around the iphone has me daydreaming about owning one, I am entranced by the idea of being able to watch movies and play angry birds on my phone, but really, honestly - when do I think i'm gonna do these things? and, its prohibitively expensive. And, in six months time when the novelty has worn off, will i still be playing angry birds?
Whats the answer? I dunno. BlackBerry and new gen iPod touch perhaps? Talking to someone at work about this and they're answer was - stop agonising about it - its just a phone, you'll only have it 18 months and then you'll get a new one.
But it does matter to me - I use it every day, and I dont want to hate it!
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Jailbreak the iPhone and you get your full file system - should you need it... (and its not a problem..)
I agree it seems stupidly expensive to have/use a £500 phone, but tbh I use the thing so much every day - its one of the best value for money things I've bought... Its not just about playing angry birds :) (personally I play cards on it loads!) but checking train times, finding taxi's, when the next bus is.. where to go for dinner - pictures, vids blah blah..
I've been in Oz for the last two weeks, and I've been using 'facetime' (what wanker came up with that name) to video call MrsTT every day - and its been fantastic - shit loads better than skype (no delay) and great quality.. at £1 a min for a normal call I've saved a fortune (well £10 as I wouldnt have called her much if it cost that much!)...
There is alot of hyperbole/hype about the thing - but it just works well.. (apart from when it fell over and cracked the screen! :( )
Anyway, thats enough pro iphone shizzle from me, I await the android flaming ;D
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Facetime is a majorly wanky name.
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I just don't understand why anyone would pay anything for an iphone when I got my Legend for nothing on a £20/m (discounted but still) contract......and it's brilliant.
Check this by the way:
http://lifehacker.com/5599116/how-to-turn-your-android-phone-into-a-fully+automated-superphone? (http://lifehacker.com/5599116/how-to-turn-your-android-phone-into-a-fully+automated-superphone?)
(highlighted by @jim_p_thompson on Twitter)
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I just don't understand why anyone would pay anything for an iphone when I got my Legend for nothing on a £20/m (discounted but still) contract......and it's brilliant.
Exactly. my nokia although it has its faults is amazing value for the fuck all it costs me to have it. The problem is when people spend half a kubrick on a phone the majority of them will then never admit to it having any flaws, or that they've just wasted a shit load of money. I use my shoes every day for everything I do but i wouldn't spend 500 sheets on a pair.
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I use my shoes every day for everything I do but i wouldn't spend 500 sheets on a pair.
But just think what you could do with a £500 pair of shoes....
(http://www.funnypictures.net.au/images/computer-shoes1.jpg)
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I agree it seems stupidly expensive to have/use a £500 phone, but tbh I use the thing so much every day - its one of the best value for money things I've bought... Its not just about playing angry birds :) (personally I play cards on it loads!) but checking train times, finding taxi's, when the next bus is.. where to go for dinner - pictures, vids blah blah..
All possible on other Smart Phones, and for far less pennies.
I just don't understand why anyone would pay anything for an iphone when I got my Legend for nothing on a £20/m (discounted but still) contract......and it's brilliant.
:agree:
Discovered a uPnP client for my Hero the other day so I can now play all the music over wifi to my phone, makes getting something like a Squeezebox redundant. In theory it should also act as a remote for the uPnP on the PS3 too, so I can pause films I'm watching on it. 8)
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Slackers, have you managed to get your PS3 to play music from your computer via wifi? Mine is very hit and miss, crashes all the time. :wall:
I can usually get 2 full days out my Desire (That's proper use, i.e. browsing, texting, phoning. There's a few tips'n'tricks to saving battery:
Keep the screen on medium brightness unless you're in daylight.
Get a good task killer and regulalry kill all the programmes your not using.
Get a shortcut for 2g/3g switching - you can leave it on 2g most of the time and just whack 3g on for browsing.
Like others have said, you can set the autoamtic updates for things like faceshit and twatter to manual, which helps.
The sat nav simply nukes tha battery - if you're using it in the car, get a charger!"
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Slackers, have you managed to get your PS3 to play music from your computer via wifi? Mine is very hit and miss, crashes all the time. :wall:
Yes, and video streaming too (although decent res videos are jerky over wireless, currently trying to suss out why my laptop works with powerlines, but the PS3 doesn't).
I use Mediatomb (http://www.mediatomb.cc/) on my computer.
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;D theres a few home truths here:
http://www.livedigitally.com/2010/08/16/the-handy-android-fanboy-detector/ (http://www.livedigitally.com/2010/08/16/the-handy-android-fanboy-detector/)
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;D theres a few home truths here:
http://www.livedigitally.com/2010/08/16/the-handy-android-fanboy-detector/ (http://www.livedigitally.com/2010/08/16/the-handy-android-fanboy-detector/)
Its missing the "Android Users : those who get on with and like the phone and don't have petty grumbles", but 'cause I'm waiting for a few things to update I'll bite.
Openness - Well it is a good thing and with the release of Android App Inventor (http://sites.google.com/site/appinventorhelp/) you don't have to learn detailed coding. Literally anyone can develop apps easily and share them.
Widgets - Err, bit of a non sequitur really. He only finds some of the widgets useful, others find other widgets useful, the worlds made up of different people with different preferences who is he to be the arbiter of taste. Besides, most of these are likely developed not by the platform developers but by application developers, rather than bitching about the OS they're running on provide feedback to the developers on what the problems are and he might see an improvement.
Little Details - No idea what the problem is here, with an old 6300 Nokia phone you have to go through a sequence to write a message (usually Messages -> Compose -> To -> write). Thats the nature of software, the developers code a sequence of doing things, sometimes they get it wrong, as above, feedback and it may be corrected, and its likely that he's grumbling about many applications rather than Android itself.
Updates - Another non sequitur. Anyone naive enough to think that software is complete and bug/security-hole free should be answering emails from Mr Obaggio from Nigeria.
Huge phones - Err no, must have a very old/cheap model (mentions he didn't get the newest).
Commonplace - One example does not provide enough evidence. He's selectively picked one review by someone who probably used to have a phone with a proprietary phone jack and who was sick of not being able to line-out. More examples required.
Impractical Features - As above, one example only, needs to provide more evidence. The one example uses something that is in development, by having it out and used you get feedback and can improve the product faster than internally testing.
iWhat - ???
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Well said slackers. Zero truth in any of that whatsoever from what I've experienced in around 2 months use. I can only imagine that the "big phone" gripe is a US thing and other than that the problems the writer has mentioned are down to him having a really old model (as he admits).
What a dick.
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I think that the one issue at the moment with smart phones is the apps, or to be more precise app writers thinking that only the iphone exists.
I was looking at an android phone until I found out that my bank had done an app for a smart phone, unfortunately only the iphone.
I hate apple for quite a few reasons but until app writers for major buisnesses write apps for more than the iphone, then apple will have the upper hand. I think this is slowly happening, but it isn't there yet.
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With 10.6m Android phones sold in the 2nd 1/4 of 2010 (up from 756k a year ago) you would have thought large companies would be waking up to this problem.
Actually this explains how things should be moving forward on that score soon:
http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/android-adoption-surges-so-where-are-all-apps/2010-08-16 (http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/android-adoption-surges-so-where-are-all-apps/2010-08-16)
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I think that the one issue at the moment with smart phones is the apps, or to be more precise app writers thinking that only the iphone exists.
I was looking at an android phone until I found out that my bank had done an app for a smart phone, unfortunately only the iphone.
I hate apple for quite a few reasons but until app writers for major buisnesses write apps for more than the iphone, then apple will have the upper hand. I think this is slowly happening, but it isn't there yet.
Why do you need an "App" on your phone to do your banking?
All they need to do is write their web-site with smart CSS so that the browser is recognised and you are presented with a web-page thats optimised to your phone's browser instead of the normal page you'd get when browsing on your phone. You get this with UKB forums at present (and there's even the stripped down version for basic text only borwsing (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?wap2)). Barclays already do this and I've found their smartphone optimised web-page to be very usable (such browser specific sites are not available yet with the other banks I have).
In essence this is what most "apps" are doing, for example the BBC News app under Android isn't anything special, all it is doing is just parsing HTML and reformatting it for the phone whilst running it under its own process (I suspect this is the case with the same app under iFern and also true of things like weather apps, they're just grabbing data and parsing it and presenting it in a pretty format).
Thats not to say I don't think this is a problem, but as SteG has hinted (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,15723.msg274135.html#msg274135), the process of writing Apps isn't that dissimilar for the different platforms so its technically not that hard its more likely down to something along the lines of companies big cheeses employing IT nerds who are Apple-faboi's so they call the shots as to what company phone they get, and the big cheeses are happy with this, 'cause you know Steve Jobs is cool and wears turtle neck sweaters so they feel cool too. Then they realise that they're missing an "App" on their phone for their own business so they want one and go and tell their minions to "Make it so", without realising there are others out there.
More fundamental than this sort of problem is that of using proprietary file formats. For long term storage you need to have an open format that can be read by newer versions. Not the case with the most widely used software M$-Orifice, anyway I digress (yet again!).
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With 10.6m Android phones sold in the 2nd 1/4 of 2010 (up from 756k a year ago) you would have thought large companies would be waking up to this problem.
Actually this explains how things should be moving forward on that score soon:
http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/android-adoption-surges-so-where-are-all-apps/2010-08-16 (http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/android-adoption-surges-so-where-are-all-apps/2010-08-16)
Of course they will... (wake up to it)
Apple (love em or hate em - or really not be fussed by them) shook up the market with the iPhone - as it was much better than anything else around at the time.. and part of this shake up was the app store - which meant apple and the developers could readily make a few bucks. Now theres loads wrong in many ways with the apps store - but you can't deny that its been a financial success.
So, the others notably android - have been playing catch up. So its kind of enevitable that many (not all) things are released first on the Iphone then on Android...
When there are X more Android phones than Iphone it'll probably turn the other way around... :shrug:
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Wiping faeces on your iPhone more popular than Spotify (http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-05/12/wiping-faeces-on-your-iphone-more-popular-than-spotify) :lol:
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Wiping faeces on your iPhone more popular than Spotify (http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-05/12/wiping-faeces-on-your-iphone-more-popular-than-spotify) :lol:
;D qwalidy....
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Dear HTC, please make this phone:
http://designfabulous.blogspot.com/2010/07/htc-1.html# (http://designfabulous.blogspot.com/2010/07/htc-1.html#)
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I've been an #iphonegaylord for a week now having had a HTC Hero for almost a year; the iphone4 has been a breath of fresh air. The Hero was always dropping, or not even connecting calls, especially in the centre of Sheffield - advice given - turn off 3G. Lots of other sucky things about the UI and OS had got me steaming, tomtom's link earlier rang very true in my case. I had gone from Android newbie, to being 'into it', to someone who just couldn't be arsed with the constant niggles and fucking about.
With the iphone I got a phone with a lovely interface, fast responses, fantastic ipod functionality - best sound quality I've ever known from a portable player, and IMO itunes is brilliant as the sync / maintenance tool, and as a phone, I can't fault it - connects immediately and holds the calls. The best time I had with the Hero was when I was waiting for a warranty replacement for the same set of issues and put my sim card in a big old Nokia.
I'm now even more set on a Mac - I've got too much to do and think about without having to get into 3rd line support mode very time I want to do something like use a laptop.
Anyway, as an Android aficionado, I can't praise the iphone 4 enough quite frankly - worth the cost considering the use it gets, especially for business when I want it to work reliably.
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The Hero was always.... Lots of other sucky things.... got me steaming,
If there's a smart phone that will suck my cock, then I'll buy one.
(I do not mind whether the smart phone is male or female; in case anyone views my cocksucking comment as misogynistic)
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Theres an App for that.
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1044/782411427_f2ec26426b.jpg)
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I've been an #iphonegaylord for a week now....etc
That's all very well but the Hero is an old phone though and wont have been running the latest version of the Andriod OS. It's not exactly fair comparing it to the iphone 4! It's like putting an original iphone up against the HTC Desire HD. No contest.
I haven't experienced any of the problems you describe with my Legend. :shrug:
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I've been an #iphonegaylord for a week now....etc
That's all very well but the Hero is an old phone though and wont have been running the latest version of the Andriod OS. It's not exactly fair comparing it to the iphone 4! It's like putting an original iphone up against the HTC Desire HD. No contest.
I haven't experienced any of the problems you describe with my Legend. :shrug:
Can we not all just live in one smartphone happy touchy feely gently glowing universe together in perfect happiness? Like this chap?
(http://i34.tinypic.com/2ds395y.gif)
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Fiend's obviously taking the whole 'living in Scotland' thing pretty seriously.
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Fiend's obviously taking the whole 'living in Scotland' thing pretty seriously.
;D
Aye, blend in... Needs some buckfast though... on second glance, is this picture one for the photshop hall of shame?
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I might joke about it a lot (aside from the above post which is just a point of fact, not slagging anyone off) but I don't really give a shit what type of phone people have.
The iphone's not for me just because of the number of total wankers / scummy chavs / dizzy bints with shiny pink cases for them / media pricks / basicallyeveryoneinthefuckingcountry who have them. I've nothing against the phone itself, it's the image it projects to me (which is a purely personal thing of course). #iphonegaylords ;)
Some people really do take it seriously though. A fellow Brighton fan who I follow on Twitter was unfollowed and blocked by a bird yesterday just for mentioning his iphone (and he wasn't even being complimentary but complaining about the battery) when she was talking about an Android app! She properly kicked off about it as if he'd really insulted her (mind you, she is American).
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An American Brighton fan ...... Proves the point that the yanks know nothing about football ...... ;D
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The bloke who was blocked was the Brighton fan, not the bird (although she lives there).
Oh and supporting Brighton isn't actually that bad at the moment! Top of the league and:
http://www.seagulls.co.uk/page/Latest/0,,10433~2177569,00.html (http://www.seagulls.co.uk/page/Latest/0,,10433~2177569,00.html) ;D
Don't let the facts get in the way of a joke though mate! :P
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The bloke who was blocked was the Brighton fan, not the bird (although she lives there).
Oh and supporting Brighton isn't actually that bad at the moment! Top of the league and:
http://www.seagulls.co.uk/page/Latest/0,,10433~2177569,00.html (http://www.seagulls.co.uk/page/Latest/0,,10433~2177569,00.html) ;D
Don't let the facts get in the way of a joke though mate! :P
Bloody Yank Glory hunters ;) still you're fooked now ol' Gustavo has been named manager of the month #kissofdeath
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MOM and POM and we're live on Sky tomorrow. The omens don't look good!
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http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/iphone-be-naughty%2c-say-sleepyheads-201101043392/ (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/iphone-be-naughty%2c-say-sleepyheads-201101043392/)
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http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/iphone-be-naughty%2c-say-sleepyheads-201101043392/ (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/iphone-be-naughty%2c-say-sleepyheads-201101043392/)
I remember posting about this known bug ages ago and the fact that Apple were doing dick all about it, great respect for customers there :thumbsdown:
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Any of you wegros got any awesome fucking opinions on the Samsung Galaxy Apollo speechtool? Phone contract coming to an end, want something less buggy than the current nokia. have also looked at the refurn iphone 3g deals on O2, but even then it'd mean me paying 50% more every month than I'm on now, not convinced its worth it, plus jasper would think i'm a twat.
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what do you want a phone to do? pick a phone thats good at doing just that and then buy it yourself and get a sim only contract.
I would never ever get a iphone contract, total rip
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As I've said somewhere else on here, that's not necessarily the cheapest way to do it as what I'll pay over my 18 month contract is less than what my phone would have cost to buy sim free. Worth looking at all angles though I agree.
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As I've said somewhere else on here, that's not necessarily the cheapest way to do it as what I'll pay over my 18 month contract is less than what my phone would have cost to buy sim free. Worth looking at all angles though I agree.
I agree. Certain phones (HTC Desire HD for example) attract stupid premiums. In fact if I sell the same phone (which I've been offered free as an upgrade) it completely covers my contract for the two years, I'm still struggling to accept how this might be.
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I don't understand it either but I'm not complaining.
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what do you want a phone to do?
Usual shit, calls, texts, tinternet, gps, music, passing time when sat in a dentist's waiting room, printing business cards etc. Would be good if it had a "big number 5" app.
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And scratch mixing mp3s whilst on the bus obviously.
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it also needs to be actual size.
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no printer?
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any ideas for best places to look at for buying phones outright/sans contract then? I need to get researching some shit.
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I've bought my last couple 2nd hand off ebay, can be a bit of a gamble tho.
Expansys is probably your best bet
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It's pretty easy to use a spreadsheet to work out the total cost of ownership over the course of the contract. I've done a quick comparison of a HTC Desire from Expansys with a SIM only deal with a contract from 3, in this case less than £8 difference over 24months.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AoTGL85cw6u-dHozUHFnb1FDczFNcnpvalNIbTVyX1E&output=html
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If I compare the Samsung galaxy apollo from T mobile on an 18monther compared to buying the phone and getting a similar sim-only contract, its about spot on the same cost except the closest contract you can get is actually worse in terms of the internet usage and a few other minor points, so thats a win for the contract.
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except your tied into that contract for 18months+ and in my experience phones don't really last that long
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My head hurts after looking at this for too long, my contract is running out, hers has and my darn Dad has decided he wants a smartphone (nightmare!) all three have very different expectations.
Can anyone enlighten me as to which phones are suitable for syncing with Lotus notes? or if there's a way to sync Lotus notes to Google calendar so that Nat could get something HTC make?
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except your tied into that contract for 18months+ and in my experience phones don't really last that long
Dunno about that, i've never had a phone not complete the distance. Maybe different if you're buying em second hand.
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Can anyone enlighten me as to which phones are suitable for syncing with Lotus notes? or if there's a way to sync Lotus notes to Google calendar so that Nat could get something HTC make?
Never used it, but a quick search suggests Lotus notes is now supported by Lotus Notes Traveller (http://phandroid.com/2010/12/14/lotus-notes-traveler-now-available/) (with caveats about versions).
Its nothing to do with the phone, but the version of Android the phone is running (but you already know that).
If you're bothered about 2.1 and not 2.2 coming on the phone you can always root the phone and install a ROM from Cyanognemod (http://www.cyanogenmod.com/) (although if you go with HTC, their SenseUI is pretty good and annoying/crap stuff can easily be removed, but there are modified ROMs that still include it).
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New Android phones will all have 2.2 on em now shirley?
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Maybe, depends how long it takes each phone company to modify the ROM.
Reading an interesting article on the "openness" of Android and its modification by carriers (http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/26/2011-android/). The points made within more than the "its cheaper" argument would sway me to purchase my own phone and go SIM only when I'm next in the market.
except your tied into that contract for 18months+ and in my experience phones don't really last that long
Guess it depends on the contract, but mine replaces the phone next day if it breaks. But like dave I've not had a phone that hasn't lasted the distance. My previous (Nokia N95) I gave to a mate and its still running fine more than a year after its 18month contract expired.
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To be honest if the phone company doesn't supply a phone that is fit for purpose for the duration of that contract then i'd be getting medieval on their asses with some serious supply-of-goods-and-services-act shit.
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Dunno about others but O2 always offer free warranty for the duration of the contract so if it fucks up you just send it to them and they fix / replace it.
Haven't had to do so with any of my previous phones (generally Nokias) but the Mrs' shite Samsungs have been fixed or replaced (in a matter of days) on quite a few occasions.
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New Android phones will all have 2.2 on em now shirley?
doesn't seem that way, especially on the Samsungs.
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This is a straight question - not a iphone is better than android thing - but being an Iphone user... from the outside the whole Android updating process does seem rather confusing - and a bit wanky. There seem to be all these different android versions and how the updates seem to have to wait for the manutfacturer to sort out their own version etc..
Then there also seem to be home baked versions that work on whatever platform etc.. some versions wiping contact data etc.. How straightforward is it? because for the Ifern when a new version is out you just plug in and it does it all for you etc..
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My update process (on T-Mobile) was piss, it came Firmware Over The Air (FOTA), one day I got a message saying there was an update available, did I want to install it (with the caveat about abusing a 3G connection and perhaps waiting till on a wireless network). Installed fine (this was a minor update to the flash-player/YouTube and something that prepped the phone for a major update from 1.5 to 2.1).
Month or so later got a second FOTA notification, accepted it, all downloaded and installed fine, updated to 2.1
Conversely my wife's on Orange and they seem to be utter shite. Nothing has come FOTA, the first update has been achieved over a USB connection, can't get the phone to stay synced to the computer long enough to do the final upgrade. I attribute this to Orange being shite as another friend with exact same phone (HTC Hero) had the same ballache, and Jasper (on O2) has, from what I remember, had the same hassle free experience I have.
The main problem is that there are multiple layers for updates. Google release the base code, phone manufacturers then tweak and add to this (e.g. HTC's Sense UI which you don't get on Samsung phones), and then carriers (T-Mobile/3/O2/Orange) modify these. See the article I link to above for some info on the downside to this openness.
I've not tried flashing mine with a custom ROM from Cyanogenmod (the home baked versions you refer to) as I waste spend enough time tinkering with my desktop, laptop, NAS and PS3 and as there haven't been any problems with the phone I've been happy, but the process sounds like a piece of piss to do having read the documentation (enough people seem to manage it so it can't be that hard).
Its actually quite useful having small incremental updates as it means small bugs/security problems (eg. calendar problem/no alarm when 2011 rolled in on iPhones) get updated/resolved quickly and you don't have to wait ages for a monolithic OS upgrade cycle.
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Yeah mine was no bother at all. Got a message, downloaded something and the phone restarted. Checked and it was a minor update (like yours) then next day got the full 2.2 download. Restarted automatically again and that was it.
I suppose the reason it might seem confusing in comparison to the iphone is that talking about it is taking into account lots of slightly different versions of an OS on loads of different makes / models of phone instead of one OS on one phone.
Taken one phone at a time, it's no different.
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My phone tells me when it wants updated, which seems to be quite often, then I just click 'ok' and it does stuff and I have all the newest versions. It's quite clever, although I suspect it might be too clever and is actually plotting to take ove the world or summthingr. It's an HTC Desire HD.
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I've not tried flashing mine with a custom ROM from Cyanogenmod (the home baked versions you refer to) as I waste spend enough time tinkering with my desktop, netbook, 550d and iceberg
I'd rather not add a phone to that list. A friend in the office isn't happy with 2.2 on the Wildfire.
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Has he tried switching it off and on again?
I'm not actually making a shit joke as my phone started running really slowly a few days after I'd updated to 2.2. Switched it off and on and it's been spot on since.
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Oh yes, installed apps check for updates automagically and tell you when they want installing, you can also set them to automagically updated when available all on their own.
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Any of you wegros got any awesome fucking opinions on the Samsung Galaxy Apollo speechtool?
Bump. One of you muthas must have one or know someone with one. Did I mention its for a mate in prison?
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Think Bubba's got a Samsung smartphone innit.
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If anyone has a Blackberry Bold 9700 heres a guide to update it to the new OS6, makes it a lot nicer phone to use and the browser is a lot quicker than the old one.
http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/11/04/blackberry-bold-9700-os-6-0-0-344-installation-guide/ (http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/11/04/blackberry-bold-9700-os-6-0-0-344-installation-guide/)
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this another advantage of buying the phone yourself is that it isn't branded to your phone company and therefore its on generic firmware and easier to upgrade and you don't have all the branded crap they but on the phone as well. Orange are the worst I've seen for this.
Obviously most phones can be debranded fairly easily
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Not much of an advantage though, because as you say its pretty easy to debrand them these days.
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My last phone was a Samsung, dave, but I changed it to an HTC as I didn't think it coped very well with the online stuff and that was what I most wanted to do with it. Saying that, it wasn't top of the range Internet compatible so maybe the newer ones are better, it wasn't good enough for me to stick with Samsung and see though.
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I got my HTC as an O2 upgrade but through a third party and it came without any branding.
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Not read this but it may help
http://www.reghardware.com/2010/11/16/ten_essential_budget_android_smartphones/ (http://www.reghardware.com/2010/11/16/ten_essential_budget_android_smartphones/)
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I'm in the market for a new phone and I have to admit, I have no idea what the hell I'm looking at and the people in the shops seem either retarded or too techy for my luddite brain. I'm still none the wiser and still have no new phone!
I was thinking of getting the HTC desire but my mrs has one on orange and it's a bit tempramental. Judging on some of these previous posts though it may just be because it's on orange.
Bugger.
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Temperamental in what regards? If its getting a signal, then yes, most likely Orange, my wife is with them and struggled to get a signal in our house where I have no problem on T-Mobile. Things have improved slightly since Orange/T-mobile merged and you can essentially roam on each others network (providing you've set the phone up to do so). Several people I know have Desire's and have no problem, and if you are worried about Orange you could always go with someone else.
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I got my HTC as an O2 upgrade but through a third party and it came without any branding.
2.2 On a Wildfire... Sadly Angry Birds doesn't seem to work very well. Disaster.
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2.2 On a Wildfire... Sadly Angry Birds doesn't seem to work very well. Disaster.
Likely down to the specification (http://www.htc.com/www/product/wildfire/specification.html) as its half the CPU clock speed of the Desire and 384Mb RAM (Desire has 576Mb and runs Angry birds fine on mates phones).
Also the fact its written in Java won't be helping things either.
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Angry Birds works perfectly on my Legend. Just ask my son who is hopelessly addicted to it and has to be rationed to 1/2 an hour's play per day / a few days per week.
As slackers says, the Wildfire is a much lower spec phone. Not really sure why people would go for "budget" models unless your budget really is c£10 a month. You don't have to be spending a fortune to get a top of the range phone any more.
:shrug:
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As slackers says, the Wildfire is a much lower spec phone. Not really sure why people would go for "budget" models unless your budget really is c£10 a month. You don't have to be spending a fortune to get a top of the range phone any more.
:shrug:
It overclocks up to a much more respectable speed fairly easily it seems. Certainly I couldn't find any HTC 'budget' phones for that price.
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It overclocks up to a much more respectable speed fairly easily it seems.
Cool.
Certainly I couldn't find any HTC 'budget' phones for that price.
What deal did you end up getting? I wasn't being clear and should have elaborated. What I meant was that considering what mobile phone bills used to be like (and what the best phones cost sim free), the fact that you can get a top of the range smartphone with pretty much unlimited usage for £30 - £35 pm over 18 months is pretty bloody good (even better when O2 give you £15pm discount *smug*).
As everyone used to pay way more than that for a shit normal phone with shit restrictions on usage I can't see the point of scrimping down £10 - £15 a month when the difference is getting the best phone. However, if that's your budget then the cheaper phones make sense, obviously.
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I'm with T-mobile now as three were quite frankly behaving like CVNTS. Told in the store that we could have an upgrade to any phone and remain on the same contract ($$$ signs showed in my eyes). When we came back to claim that they turned around and said, oh no, not on THAT contract etc. They couldn't move an inch on anything and even the offers over the cancellation line were worse than walking in off the street fresh faced.
It took Nat over an hour and 15 mins on the phone today to cancel her current contract.
I can't remember how many mins/texts but easily enough + unlimited data for £20 pcm, my damn Dad ended up with the same for £15 with Vodafone after being a long time customer. It was a pre-xmas deal and they wouldn't extend it to us.
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That's fucking shit of 3. It's odd how the phone companies policy seems to completely alter from month to month (or even day to day, although in your case it could well have just been a shop monkey getting it wrong of course).
O2 went through a stage (when I was upgrading my wife's phone) of being total fuckers and refusing to shift on what deals they were offering having been completely flexible a few months prior to that when I'd got my previous phone. It seemed they were intent on getting all their customers onto iphone contracts (as they were still the only provider then) and FUCK YOU if you didn't want one. One bird I spoke to actually apologised and said they were getting loads of complaints and people leaving but it was company policy and the staff just weren't being given any option to discount contracts.
Then when I came to upgrade again they'd reverted to being completely reasonable and gave me the same discount I'd had for the previous 18 months on my new contract. Perhaps it's not a coincidence that they no longer have exclusivity on the iphone.
I know a bit back the phone companies were falling over each other to offer better and better deals in order to hold onto customers as the market had almost reached saturation point. Suppose the explosion of smart phones and the willingness of fuckwits people to get tied into extortionate 24 month rip off contracts has changed all that.
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I'm always baffled by three. On the phone they always offer better than the "internet only" deals. My Desire is £20 a month with unlimited internet stuff.
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Whatever phone you have T-mobile are now reigning in your data usage (http://support.t-mobile.co.uk/help-and-support/index?page=home&cat=DATA_CHANGES).
Fucking retards, "browsing the web" does include "watching videos, downloading files or playing games." :wank: 's
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Whatever phone you have T-mobile are now reigning in your data usage (http://support.t-mobile.co.uk/help-and-support/index?page=home&cat=DATA_CHANGES).
Fucking retards, "browsing the web" does include "watching videos, downloading files or playing games." :wank: 's
Yup - towing to O2's line... O2 have now also changed the ifern 'tethering' charge from £10 for 3gb month (reasonable) to £7.5 for 500mb month (not reasonable..)
Too little bandwidth for too many people all round???
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Too little bandwidth for too many people all round???
Most probably, but then they should be investing their takings in improving the networks :rtfm:
Be interested to know what "reasonable notice (http://twitter.com/#!/TmobileUKhelp/status/24540452011118592)" constitutes.
At least you get a reduction in what your paying, no mention of this yet from T-Mobile.
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As they made tethering an official part of the phone software and now you get flash so you can watch videos online, I was wondering how long it would be before they realised that this was going to lead to a lot of usage! At least it sounds like you'll always have access to your emails, even if you go over the limit. Hardly the 'unlimited internet' I signed up for though, and I hope that any of the software upgrades, etc. that the phone goes through won't be included in this amount!
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Whatever phone you have T-mobile are now reigning in your data usage (http://support.t-mobile.co.uk/help-and-support/index?page=home&cat=DATA_CHANGES).
Fucking retards, "browsing the web" does include "watching videos, downloading files or playing games." :wank: 's
word does that mean the monthly limit for android phones is down fro 3gb to half a gig?
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/uk/fairuse/?WT.mc_id=fup#fup2 (http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/uk/fairuse/?WT.mc_id=fup#fup2)
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Can anyone tell me where I stand having bought a phone at the weekend? It seems pretty shit to be able to move the goalposts like that. 3gb is reasonable, 1gb is f*cking not.
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i think you can cancel within the first 14 days
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i think you can cancel within the first 14 days
I HAVE used it though so I don't know if that changes things?
What a waste of time, I can't really see how things like this don't ever fall within the unfair contract terms act as basically they can do what they want with regards to data. If you previously deemed 3gb of data to be fair use and attracted people with that offer then it seems ludicrous to now say 500mb is fair use.
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3gb is reasonable, 1gb is f*cking not.
I doubt you will come close to 1gb data, never mind 3.
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The point is many people will reach the 500mb cap whereas with 3gb they wouldn't? I'm fairly heavy with bandwidth generally.
Anyway... *sigh of relief*
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/TmobileUKhelp/status/19556910031
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just cancel and send it back and go with someone else. i'm fairly sure they have to give you 14 days cancelation period by law, doesn't matter if you've used the phone or not
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just cancel and send it back and go with someone else. i'm fairly sure they have to give you 14 days cancelation period by law, doesn't matter if you've used the phone or not
aye, it seems like they've renaged on that tweet anyway and are now reporting it as "affecting everyone"
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It is very shit getting people to sign up for "unlimited usage" and then slapping a limit on it but they're all doing it.
However, an extra two fuck alls to have 1GB instead of 500MB isn't too bad IF I find I'm regularly using more. However, having checked my bills, by being a bit more clever with using Wifi I've reduced my usage from 900MB to about 250MB without realising so I can't see it being a problem.
I also just looked at the O2 iphone contracts for comparison. :o
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3gb is reasonable, 1gb is f*cking not.
I doubt you will come close to 1gb data, never mind 3.
Depends what you use your phone for. I stream mp3's via Moozone (http://moozone.com/) and Last.fm (http://www.last.fm/) both of these push the data usage up pretty high. Neither are illegal (unlike torrenting movies/cd's).
The other issue is that I'm yet to receive official notification from T-mobile, and with 21 days left until this change is due to come into effect I wouldn't call it a "reasonable notice" period for contractual changes.
aye, it seems like they've renaged on that tweet anyway and are now reporting it as "affecting everyone"
Its dated 26 July, presumably 2010 so a bit old.
As they made tethering an official part of the phone software and now you get flash so you can watch videos online.
Ultimately these were changes with Android and not by T-mobile. The later had the opportunity to remove these functions when they customised the ROM if they felt it would be a problem but I guess they didn't as they'd have gotten a load of grief for putting crippled versions of Android on people's phones.
If the heavy data usage that is now occurring is the underlying problem the solution would be to take a portion of the profits that the company makes each year and re-invest in improving the 3g network coverage, and/or work on the 4g network.
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But why bother when they can just get people to pay more?
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Ah I forgot we live in a penny pinching capitalist society. Ultimately it will disenfranchise people to their company and they'll vote with their feet going elsewhere so they're shooting themselves in the foot and loosing out in the long-term. Personally I switched from 3 for the unlimited data usage but never had a problem with 3 before then (other than they couldn't match the offer I had from T-mobile). 3 now do offer unlimited data usage.
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But why bother when they can just get people to pay more?
The thing is they're still selling new contracts with the 3gb FUP today without informing people. Plus, youtube, spotify (or an equivalent?) is pushed heavily on their site. XDA developers have tonnes of conflicting quotes.
The main reason for purchasing a phone like this for me is so that I can access these services whilst away (like in Pembroke this year), thats a month away from home broadband and significant data use.
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Just seen something on Twitter about Ofcom saying "clause 9.3" is applicable and that customers have the right to cancel their T-Moblie contracts.
This sounds interesting.....
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Just seen something on Twitter about Ofcom saying "clause 9.3" is applicable and that customers have the right to cancel their T-Moblie contracts.
This sounds interesting.....
Could you re-tweet that (or link to the tweet hear please).
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There's no further info on the tweet and I Googled but without success. Presumably it's just happened....
http://twitter.com/munkimatt/status/24846783104425984 (http://twitter.com/munkimatt/status/24846783104425984)
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Ok, cool, cheers for that though, favourited.
Time to dig out the :read: and look up what item 9.3 is. :-\
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Its not on your contract 9.3 is the release clause stipulated in ofcoms license to T-mobile allowing users to end their contract free of charge if a material breach of contract is made.
T-mobile refused and in store return. Refused to cancel, told me a load of shit. I've now spoken to Ofcom (unaware of the tweet but he hit me back saying he was piecing something together). Biggest bunch of CVNTS ever.
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Yes, just read that guys twitter posts, which pieced together read...
OFCOM have stated their clause 9.3 is applicable. Customer has right to cancel T-Mobile contracts.
For those asking, 9.3 is as follows; Where the Communications Provider intends to modify a condition in a contract with a Consumer which...is likely to be of material detriment tothe Consumer, the Communications Provider shall:
(a) provide the Consumer with at least one month’s notice of its intention detailing the proposed modification; and
(b) inform the Consumer of the ability to terminate the contract without penalty if the proposed modification is not acceptable to Consumer
All I can see happening is that T-Mobile push back the date on which they implement in order to comply, so there's likely a very small window of opportunity to cancel contracts starting from now!
Interestingly whilst quickly looking for more information on this I stumbled across this article on Ofcom (http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/2011/01/ofcom-opens-up-more-frequencies-for-3g-services/) which indicatest that 2G bandwidth is now available for 3G data, thus increasing general capacity for 3G data usage on all networks. So why are companies now reeling in data usage when they've actually got more bandwidth available.
Likely some useful information to be found here somewhere (http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/msa/)
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well at worst I'm stuck with them, at best I'll get two free smartphones...
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I don't read it like that slackers.
It says provide the customer with a month's notice AND inform them of the ability to terminate the contract without penalty.
If this is applied then surely everyone can rip up their T-Mobile contract and walk away (with their phones)?
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Damn, missed the conditional logic at the end of the first clause.
They don't call you Sharpe for nothing :) :thumbsup:
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I would return the phone and cancel the contract and say you were mis-sold which I think you were and threaten to go to ofcom if they don't comply. If you still can't cancel then complain to ofcom anyway. Fuck em in their big coporate arses I say
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On the topic of mis-selling just found What is mobile mis-selling? (http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/msa/) on Ofcom which links to a more comprehensive PDF.
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I would return the phone and cancel the contract and say you were mis-sold which I think you were and threaten to go to ofcom if they don't comply. If you still can't cancel then complain to ofcom anyway. Fuck em in their big coporate arses I say
Tried that. The guy would have actually been more useful if he said "Fuck Off" instead.
I've been to Ofcom and reg'd a complaint already, and consumer direct and trading standards.
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Can't really see how T-Mobile are going to get away with this if that information re Ofcom is correct. There's no way they can afford to let thousands of customers cancel their contracts and keep their (heavily subsidised) phones so what do they do?
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And I've finally found a copy of the document with Condition 9.3 (page 22) (http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archive/oftel/publications/eu_directives/2003/cond_final0703.pdf).
Its "Notification under Section 48(1) of the Communications act 2003...Notification setting general conditions under section 45 of the communications act 2003"
9. REQUIREMENT TO OFFER CONTRACTS WITH MINIMUM TERMS
9.1 The Communications Provider shall, in offering to provide, or providing,
Public Electronic Communications Services to a Consumer, and on the
request of that Consumer, offer to enter into a contract or vary an
existing contract with that Consumer which complies with paragraph
9.2.
9.2 Any contract between the Communications Provider and a Consumer
shall specify the following minimum requirements:
(a) the identity and address of the Communications Provider;
(b) the services provided, details of the service quality levels offered
and the time for initial connection;
(c) details of maintenance services offered;
(d) particulars of prices and tariffs, and the means by which up-todate
information on all applicable tariffs and maintenance
charges may be obtained;
(e) the duration of the contract, the conditions for renewal and
termination of services and of the contract;
(f) any applicable compensation and/or refund arrangements which
will apply if contracted quality service levels are not met; and
(g) the method of initiating procedures for settlement of disputes in
respect of the contract.
9.3 Where the Communications Provider intends to modify a condition in a
contract with a Consumer which is likely to be of material detriment to
the Consumer, the Communications Provider shall:
(a) provide the Consumer with at least one month’s notice of its
intention detailing the proposed modification; and
(b) inform the Consumer of the ability to terminate the contract
without penalty if the proposed modification is not acceptable to
the Consumer.
9.4 For the purposes of this Condition,
(a) “Communications Provider” means a person who provides
Public Electronic Communications Services, excluding any
service which is a broadcast of television programmes for
general reception in, or in any area in, the United Kingdom,
where every member of the intended audience of such a service
is able to receive that service in an intelligible form and free of
charge;
(b) “Consumer” means any natural person who uses or requests a
Public Electronic Communications Service for purposes which
are outside his or her trade, business or profession.
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And as PaulB has pointed out those who purchased directly from T-Mobile may have another way of getting out, see here (http://www.littlefluffytoys.com/?p=309)
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Progress, an empathising manager who seems to understand "why" people aren't happy.
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As it seems I don't need to give them any notice to terminate my contract in this case I'm going to give it a few days and see what happens, I got a bill today and that didn't have any info about this hidden in an extra page...
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Progress, an empathising manager who seems to understand "why" people aren't happy.
He can empathise all he wants, but unless he gives you your money back and accepts that you've been mis-sold it means dick all (but its reassuring there are people out there who aren't just drones and can think for themselves).
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hmmm you do, 14 days and before the implementation of the changes as I understand it currently?
He's getting there slackers, just delaying so he can process Nats contract as well, not sure whether to play ball though as its a cancellation and returns.
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Seeing they have to give me a month's notice as per the above contract, I've got some time yet!
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not sure whether to play ball though as its a cancellation and returns.
Don't return anything.
It's there in black and white in the Ofcom document, they haven't got a leg to stand on.
Seeing they have to give me a month's notice as per the above contract, I've got some time yet!
It seems YOU have as much time as you like. It is them who should be informing you of your right to terminate. I can't see anywhere where it says there's a time limit on your decision to terminate "if the proposed modification is not acceptable".
I'm no lawyer but that clause looks cut and dry. Where's Sloper? ;)
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Pushy push, push, push!
3GB re-instated here.
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how did you manage that ?
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how did you manage that ?
I'd like to say it was easy but after taking advice from
direct.gov
trading standards
& Ofcom
amongst a whole host of tweeted information I started to go through their official complaints procedure to ensure I've done everything right with a view of taking it up with CISAS or as more information came to light; to write and tell them "its over".
Finally I got a manager who clearly understood what they're imposing is bullshit and the advice that conflicts with your rights under their telecoms license after quoting enough clauses at him he offered it. He was looking at what they're advised to say to you [use your home broadband] and laughing an earlier operative tried that one and I asked whether BT told her to use her mobile?
I think as my contract has just been taken out and I was heavily labouring the "point I would have gone elsewhere and you sold me this..." I had the upper hand as they couldn't really refute "Material Detriment" in this case as they haven't got my monthly usage to back them up. (Mention NAS drive streaming to really confuse them).
I think I was completely within my rights to cancel in writing and block direct debits etc. but this seemed like unnecessary hassle, if they hadn't done this (tonight), the letters were already drafted and I now have that data guaranteed for the length of the contract (in writing). I'm not wholly convinced they won't try and pull something similar that will break this at a later date at which point I'll be informing them that I'm gone.
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Sounds like a lot of negotiation.. glad you got a result...
Though in my 2-3 years of Ifern ownership, I've only once gone over 500mb a month - and that as streaming a couple of footy matches... its a bit of a pain as it means you have to think about the data useage instead of just not caring, but in reality its made no difference to my useage.
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nice one Paul, good to see you've got a result.
i'm still on unlimited and sim only so can cancel and pull out at any point. look at me
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Nice one paul, fuckin the system.
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:thumbsup: will be drafting letters and making phone-calls soon myself.
As Jasper says the Ofcom document is simple black and white, they really don't have a leg to stand on.
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Called T-Mobile this morning regarding this (after getting worried that my new phone was going to end up being a bit rubbish...) and the person seemed to think that the 500mb allowance only applied to 3G mobile data usage that came under the "flexible booster" deal.
So it seems that if you have a contract with T-Mobile where 3G mobile data usage is included as standard (i.e. not paid for by a booster package), the data usage will be reduced to 1.5GB from 3GB, starting from the next billing month.
The person had no idea if this was a recent change because of negative reaction to the recent reduction. When I took out my new contract and got a new phone over xmas I was totally confused as to the different boosters/price plans etc., but it looks like the 500mb limit won't apply to everyone?? In short it's worth a call to see exactly what your individual situation is.
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Go and read the links further back in this thread, it explains the clauses of the T-Mobile contract that they are breaking and the Ofcom regulations that are being broken. primarily section 9.3 of the document I linked and quoted (plus Ofcom define "reasonable notice" as being 30-days, this was announced on Monday the 10th 2011 which is 21 days notice to the 1st February 2011, I've not even received notification yet, so they're clearly in breach of that too).
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Go and read the links further back in this thread, it explains the clauses of the T-Mobile contract that they are breaking and the Ofcom regulations that are being broken. primarily section 9.3 of the document I linked and quoted (plus Ofcom define "reasonable notice" as being 30-days, this was announced on Monday the 10th 2011 which is 21 days notice to the 1st February 2011, I've not even received notification yet, so they're clearly in breach of that too).
I agree that they're breaking the terms of the contract, obviously not good at all for lots of people.
However it may not be the end of the world as for me (so far) 1.5GB would be OK.
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Go and read the links further back in this thread, it explains the clauses of the T-Mobile contract that they are breaking and the Ofcom regulations that are being broken. primarily section 9.3 of the document I linked and quoted (plus Ofcom define "reasonable notice" as being 30-days, this was announced on Monday the 10th 2011 which is 21 days notice to the 1st February 2011, I've not even received notification yet, so they're clearly in breach of that too).
I agree that they're breaking the terms of the contract, obviously not good at all for lots of people.
However it may not be the end of the world as for me (so far) 1.5GB would be OK.
T'is the principle, they're breaking the terms and conditions, if you broke the terms and conditions by for example not paying your bill, you'd be subject to court proceedings so that they can recover your cost etc. etc.
Personally it fucks me off that companies don't hold their end of T&C's, its a two way street, an agreement between me and whatever company, that means they have to adhere to the T&C just as much as I do. I signed up for a 3Gb contract so that I would never have to worry about data usage, regardless of whether I ever come anywhere near exceeding the proposed 500Mb.
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:agree:
It's pretty crazy to sell such a capable phone and then prohibit people from using it properly. Will be interesting to see what the other companies plan to do?
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:agree:
It's pretty crazy to sell such a capable phone and then prohibit people from using it properly. Will be interesting to see what the other companies plan to do?
I'd be very wary about what you've been told as I think its incorrect. Their press release clearly states that its all users. I've heard the same in store who first tried to tell me it didn't effect Android users however when they checked they found out they were wrong. I also was told directly by the managers on the helpline. Its clear the call center staff don't have a clue what they're talking about as I was told yesterday that I was required to cancel in store, I quoted the contract which says otherwise and was told "I don't need to know the contract". They're also denying that you have a right to cancel in this way which an initial glance by WHICH?'s legal team seems to be incorrect. Personally I hope they get shafted by OFCOM for their behaviour and telling people lies (they also keep saying they're the only people not to charge if you go over which again I think is incorrect).
I've seen some people mentioning on twitter that their business accounts aren't affected, again I believe thats dependant on you regularly exceeding 500mb and your account manager moving you over some months ago. I wouldn't be assuming anything.
Nice one paul, fuckin the system.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3125/2692557258_3985e92baf.jpg)
OFCOM are currently looking into it (http://bit.ly/ib46SL #tmobileukfail) after a 'few' complaints.
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Cheers Paul, i'll keep an eye on it
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It's pretty crazy to sell such a capable phone and then prohibit people from using it properly.
You can still use the phone "properly", the issue is that people were sold one thing, and T-Mobile are changing the T&C without reasonable notice (OfCom states 30 days, they released announcment on 10th January 2010 of the change due to take place on the 1st February == 21 days, plus not everyone has actually received a notice yet, I haven't). It also constitutes a "material detriment" to many users (as to have the same Fair Usage Policy it will require an outlay of an additional £15/month) and as such T-Mobile are obliged under the Ofcom document linked above to offer customers the opportunity to cancel their contracts (this is even in their T&C), but they are not doing this.
Will be interesting to see what the other companies plan to do?
Other companies (bar 3) already place restrictive caps on new contracts. O2 introduced this some time last year, but only applied it to new or changed plans, if you stayed with what you had then they didn't reduce your allowance, which is what T-Mobile should really be doing in this instance.
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what really boils my piss is the way in which they're refusing to honour both the clause in their contract that allows termination in such circumstances or the Ofcom license and are telling people they're not eligibile for free termination (directly contrary to their license).
Guardian Piece or actually on the "We all miss sloper" bandwagon: "Gruniad (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jan/12/t-mobile-data-cap-smartphone) " piece
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just looking at the new tarrifs on o2's website and I'm glad I've got the package I'm on and won't be changing it in a hurry despite probably not even using 500mb a month of data I wouldn't want to be capped.
Also if you got your phone over the phone or on the web there is also the distance selling regulations which come into force which is more amo to use against them
http://www.oft.gov.uk/about-the-oft/legal-powers/legal/distance-selling-regulations/ (http://www.oft.gov.uk/about-the-oft/legal-powers/legal/distance-selling-regulations/)
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what really boils my piss is the way in which they're refusing to honour both the clause in their contract that allows termination in such circumstances or the Ofcom license and are telling people they're not eligibile for free termination (directly contrary to their license).
Exactly!
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One of the people on Twitter who's been pushing cancellation of their contract has just ...
(http://twitter.com/#!/LFT_Android/statuses/25226993188474880tweeted[/url)#TMobFail Data caps now only for new and upgrading #TMobile customers! Excellent news!
:thumbsup:
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Confirmation on the Reg (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/12/t_mobile_caves/)
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yet they've still made subtle wording changes to their FUP which allows them to define 'internet' instead of data.
:devangel:
although hopefully they won't try and apply this across the board.
Info if you have cancelled:
http://www.littlefluffytoys.com/?p=309 (http://www.littlefluffytoys.com/?p=309)
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If they try to define internet then the only right and sane thing to do is refer them to...
how to blow up the internet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai8JE0lyyJU#ws)
Its also only until contracts are renewed, so I'll certainly be shopping around for the best internet bundle when the time comes.
Also if its all about bandwidth being used up it doesn't really make sense to now impose tighter limits when more bandwidth has just been made available (http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/2011/01/ofcom-opens-up-more-frequencies-for-3g-services/) :shrug:
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well at worst I'm stuck with them, at best I'll get two free smartphones...
are you sure 500Mb is constrictive?
i soo dont agree with the way this has been done... but I have never got near on my gayphone...
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are you sure 500Mb is constrictive?
i soo dont agree with the way this has been done... but I have never got near on my gayphone...
Try using Spotify/Last.fm/Moozone/any mp3 streaming for an hour or so a day and see what your usage shoots up to.
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Word, interestingly enough I've just been on the dog and bone to t-mobile cos my contract is coming up to renewal. On my new contract/plan/phone I specifically asked about the internet data limit (its an android phone) and was told straight away that its 3GB. Now as it happens 500mb will probably be ample for me anyway, but it seems that either they've backpeddaled because of irate Bennetts with boiling piss (good) or are still misselling shit to new customers (bad, but can get it overturned latere ALA Paul), or they're treating existing t-mobile customers taking new contracts as being exempt from the data limit cut.
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my naive interpretation for all this was unlimited users swapping SIMs to use slow 3G SIMS for continuous torrents / feeds where " 98% of the unlimited *smart phone bandwidth* was being used by 3% of the users"... I bought that... not fair to us all. not reasonable....IMO
now... if reasonable use - as above IMO - exceeds this new cap then OK... it's not right.
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how could that be given that unlimited meant a FUP of 3gb max?
A torrenting user would hit that extremely quickly. I don't really see what difference it makes either, data is the same regardless of what it actually constitutes to the end user i.e. videos, music,torrented files etc.
Also they removed Ifern users the ability to tether which was included in their priceplan. That was hardly fair. Some people may have signed those agreements so that they could use those services instead of a home broadband connection.
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my naive interpretation for all this
Word. It's called profiteering. Don't believe the hype. :)