Now. I'm minded to vote "No". Because that would mean those of us minded to serious electoral reform could/would regroup and propose something more substantial, and, more likely to get a mandate in a general election.A "Yes" vote would result (IMO) in a poor compromise, and the issue given a back seat for the majority of, if not all of the rest of my lifetime.Having seen the repellent campaign, backed up with self-evident pernicious lies in their campaign I've changed my mind.It could be used by those of us minded to serious electoral reform to use it as a staging post.And it means a revolting bunch of cunts suffering what for them would be a humiliating defeat.
If clegg does get AV through then the "sell out" will have been entirely worth it. I can't imagine electoral reform being high on the other tory coalition hopefuls like fuckin sinn fein.
Now. I'm minded to vote "No". Because that would mean those of us minded to serious electoral reform could/would regroup and propose something more substantial, and, more likely to get a mandate in a general election.
Having seen the repellent campaign, backed up with self-evident pernicious lies in their campaign I've changed my mind.
It could be used by those of us minded to serious electoral reform to use it as a staging post.And it means a revolting bunch of cunts suffering what for them would be a humiliating defeat.
A "Yes" vote would result (IMO) in a poor compromise
QuoteA "Yes" vote would result (IMO) in a poor compromiseWhich is my issue with votng "yes"
im up for a voting system with a box that says "none of the above".
Good debate you bunch of wasters! Keep it going because I'm still in the "Fucked if I know!" camp. Hate FPTP, hate AV because it's nearly as blunt an instrument as FPT feckin' P. However, the UKB massive have managed to distill the arguments better than any of the so called experts on the goggle box, so keep it up you smug fuckers............. .....and, Jasper, stop fuckin' swearin or I'll tell your mum............
Quote from: john horscroft on February 25, 2011, 11:56:19 amGood debate you bunch of wasters! Keep it going because I'm still in the "Fucked if I know!" camp. Hate FPTP, hate AV because it's nearly as blunt an instrument as FPT feckin' P. However, the UKB massive have managed to distill the arguments better than any of the so called experts on the goggle box, so keep it up you smug fuckers............. .....and, Jasper, stop fuckin' swearin or I'll tell your mum............ Someone take an axe to his fence.
Vote no, and we may never get another chance to improve it. Vote yes, and we may never get another chance to improve it, but we'll have done something at least.
You'll be a "Yes" vote then 'cause the last election was a fucking shambles when you look at the number of votes cast and compare to the number of seats won, e.g. 36.1 % of votes for Conservative equated to 47.2% of seats, 29% of votes for Labour equated to 39% of seats, whilst for the LibDems 23% of votes equated to 8.8% of seats. Yes in part this is down to the boundaries for electoral wards and they too need to change, but it wasn't helped by having FPTP.Some more readng on AV (Wikipedia Article is also informative)
The BNP are supporting "No".
Quote from: Jaspersharpe on February 25, 2011, 12:37:55 pmThe BNP are supporting "No".That surprises me. I would've thought that PR was their friend, and any change towards it would potentially get them more seats?