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the shizzle => bouldering => Topic started by: Jon Pearson on September 04, 2011, 08:15:29 pm
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I'm looking for donations to keep yorkshiregrit.com running. I'm no longer interested in it myself and I'll kill it off unless it pays for itself. Cost is £24 per month. I'll keep it running as long as the donations I receive cover the cost.
http://www.yorkshiregrit.com/donations.html (http://www.yorkshiregrit.com/donations.html)
Thanks all. I'll post here regularly to keep people informed about how it's going.
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Hey Jon,
I couldnt see a link to that page on the site (I may be blind/dumb/both) so how about a 'contribute here' button on the front page (or on the banner so its on every page) like Bubba used to have here on UKB.. not too intrusive..
Failing that, I'll leave £20 in used fivers in a manilla envelope stuffed in the cave under the Crucifix traverse ;)
Tom
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that'll be the furthest right menu item that reads "Donations" ;)
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that'll be the furthest right menu item that reads "Donations" ;)
OK OK... ;)
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£24 a month is hell expensive for a website like that, why is the cost so high?
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bandwidth for the video's at a guess
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A UKB takeover of YG.com if funding dries up?
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Hi Jon,
Are you going to be keeping the site up to date from now on? Or is this just to effectively keep it as it is? It's a wonderful resource but I understand it's an almost thankless ball ache for you. If you're sick of it I know at least a few people that would be willing to keep it updated and hopefully restore it to it's past glory. Just a thought anyway.
It's been a great source of inspiration to me over the years so a big thankyou for that
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Thanks to everyone who's contributed. I've received enough to postpone the execution another month or so.
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Whatever you do, Jon, don't kill it! I'm sure you could find a buyer who would be willing to develop it and then at least you'd get something from the severance.
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im sure some form of advertising could easily cover the disclosed montly upkeep figure but he did state he wasnt really interested int he suite anymore which is a shame as its a great site,be nice if it could be sold to someone with new interest a vigour to keep it going and updated
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Thanks again to everyone who has contributed. I've received enough to keep the site going until the end of the year now.
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... thanks also to the UKB team for pinning this post to the front page, and to Alan James for the free premier post on UKC.
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Hi Jon,
I'm sure you've thought of this but if the high cost is due to video bandwidth, have you thought about putting embedded youtube / vimeo up instead? Could make quite a difference in how much you're charged? (I pay £30 a year...)
Tom
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:goodidea:
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That is a very good idea, TT. It sounds as though Jon is at the end of his tether with the site. I can't speak for Jon's level of computer expertise but I wouldn't know how to do this and it sounds like a potentially very big job. Is there a UKB volunteer task force who could do the implementation?
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Hi,
Im new to this site, to bouldering and climbing in general (after years of too many beers and pies). I do know a bit about web design though, and I would be happy to help.
Embedding YouTube video is normally straightforward enough. The time consuming bit is uploading 100's of videos to them though. Depending on how yourkshiregrit is built though it would probably be possible to do them in batches.
PM me if I can get involved!
Stu
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To good a resource to lose for my money. So have thrown a few quid in the pot and happy to do that as/when required.
Biggest problem really though seems to be that Jon has had enough of it and it's not evolving as a result. No slight on Jon's excellent efforts over the last 10 years. Perhaps ultimately it is too big an undertaking for one person. I would be happy to get involved too and have some web development experience as well but doubt I could do it on my own.
More to the point Jon is a pretty useful climber, something that I am not. Seems like it needs involvement from some people at the bouldering cutting edge as well as coding geeks. To filter out some of the "chaff" that will come along with the gems.
Would be a real shame to lose it as a resource though it got me up to Lord's Seat this summer I wouldn't have found it otherwise.
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is the site now gone?have tried the site a few times today and it just times out
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Works for me.
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yeah seems to be working on my pc but not on my phone
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Anyone else having problems? I hope Jon's not killed it, it's such a good resource and a source for 94% of my yorkshire psyche.
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Yep, it's down.
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Not worked for me for 48 hours :'(
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P is on holiday at the moment - don't think it's at top of his agenda...
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Working ok now.
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Hooray!
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I've noticed an (unobtrusive) advert on the site, let's hope this funds its long-lived existence!
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Quick update - I've had enough in donations to keep the site going well into the new year. Thanks everyone. I still can't be bothered to update it though.
Oh, and sorry about the adverts. They're not actually making much money so I might scrap them.
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The yorkshiregrit funds run out at the end of November. If you'd like it to survive, now's the time for more donations. As before, I'll keep it going as long there is money to do so.
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How much do you need for a year Jon ?
PM if dont want to post ?
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Hi Jon,
I'd be keen to find this out too - would be happy to be partly responsible to keeping the site going if a few of us locals could club together.
Any chance you could let us know a ballpark figure per annum?
Cheers,
Tom
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It says £24/month on the website. Please don't let it die. Pass it on to someone responsible Jon, they won't ruin it!
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I'd happily take on 4 month's worth, sure a couple of other Yorkshire locals would chip in. Will sort a donation out this week.
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How much do you need for a year Jon ?
£24 a month still.
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Jon ,
Do you want to send me details of your spec, usage, data etc and i'll see if its practical for me to host for free.
A
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Good skills Andy, I like your thinking.
I use Yorkshire grit all the time now and will be making a donation. The thing that's holding me back is not knowing that it's a sustainable investment at a time when work is a bit sporadic. I'd gladly pay for a month if I knew that it would be around for another year. Who else is in? ( do 'they' know about this on the other side?)
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( do 'they' know about this on the other side?)
No idea, but I'd imagine as UKC is a commercial venture advertising for a competitor (after all UKC has its own database of routes/boulder problems) would probably come at a premium.
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I'm in for a month.
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And I would be in for more if my business could get some advertising on there. Id rather support the community and hopefully stay in work rather give it to google for adwords.
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The BMC is going to cover the cost for the immediate future.
No need for donations now.
Thanks.
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The BMC is going to cover the cost for the immediate future.
No need for donations now.
Thanks.
Good on the BMC :clap2: (would it harm to have donations kept open to provide a pool of funds for the future?).
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Another :thumbsup: to the BMC. A very sensible use of funds if you ask me
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:2thumbsup:
Thanks BMC!
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:beer2: Hooray BMC!
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Hmm, I'm little ambivalent with this. On the one hand great YG will continue, but on the other I do think if a governing body is going to fund the site there should be some obligation for the moderator/site owner to keep the site up to date, even if it's just a case of recording first ascents. Maybe this is the understanding, I hope so.
Certainly an interesting precedent.
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Hmm, I'm little ambivalent with this. On the one hand great YG will continue, but on the other I do think if a governing body is going to fund the site there should be some obligation for the moderator/site owner to keep the site up to date, even if it's just a case of recording first ascents. Maybe this is the understanding, I hope so.
Certainly an interesting precedent.
that's a fair point
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Fantastic news :icon_beerchug:
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Hmm, I'm little ambivalent with this. On the one hand great YG will continue, but on the other I do think if a governing body is going to fund the site there should be some obligation for the moderator/site owner to keep the site up to date, even if it's just a case of recording first ascents. Maybe this is the understanding, I hope so.
Certainly an interesting precedent.
Good point.
I think it's preferable that sites heavily reliant on user added content should be directly updatable by users, as is the case with pb.info. That way the site isn't tied to the fate/whim of the creator. That said, even then you need some basic maintenance from the creator or the site gets ever more untidy and clunky, as is sadly becoming the case with pb.info....
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Hmm, I'm little ambivalent with this. On the one hand great YG will continue, but on the other I do think if a governing body is going to fund the site there should be some obligation for the moderator/site owner to keep the site up to date, even if it's just a case of recording first ascents. Maybe this is the understanding, I hope so.
Certainly an interesting precedent.
Good point.
I think it's preferable that sites heavily reliant on user added content should be directly updatable by users, as is the case with pb.info. That way the site isn't tied to the fate/whim of the creator. That said, even then you need some basic maintenance from the creator or the site gets ever more untidy and clunky, as is sadly becoming the case with pb.info....
I agree, but YG is not updatable by users (other than grade voting and comments), Jon has to implement the submitted information himself, which I guess is at the heart of the problem. This fact is that this means that the site (in its current state of operation) deteriorates as a useful medium month after month, year after year. The site has an Alexa ranking of 20,000,000+ I suspect if you looked at its ranking 5 years ago it would have been somewhere around 3000,000.
Putting all the opinion, detail and emotion aside, the biggest issue facing Yorkshire bouldering is that it no longer has a universal hub to record first ascent information. This is a travesty and one that needs attending to some how. Having said all that, I'm not implying that it should be Jon's job to sort out the issue.
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Hmm, I'm little ambivalent with this. On the one hand great YG will continue, but on the other I do think if a governing body is going to fund the site there should be some obligation for the moderator/site owner to keep the site up to date, even if it's just a case of recording first ascents. Maybe this is the understanding, I hope so.
Certainly an interesting precedent.
Good point.
I think it's preferable that sites heavily reliant on user added content should be directly updatable by users, as is the case with pb.info. That way the site isn't tied to the fate/whim of the creator. That said, even then you need some basic maintenance from the creator or the site gets ever more untidy and clunky, as is sadly becoming the case with pb.info....
I agree, but YG is not updatable by users (other than grade voting and comments), Jon has to implement the submitted information himself, which I guess is at the heart of the problem. This fact is that this means that the site (in its current state of operation) deteriorates as a useful medium month after month, year after year. The site has an Alexa ranking of 20,000,000+ I suspect if you looked at its ranking 5 years ago it would have been somewhere around 3000,000.
Putting all the opinion, detail and emotion aside, the biggest issue facing Yorkshire bouldering is that it no longer has a universal hub to record first ascent information. This is a travesty and one that needs attending to some how. Having said all that, I'm not implying that it should be Jon's job to sort out the issue.
Amen to that.
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I know Greg, i agree. In an ideal world some person or organisation with the means and motivation would acquire the site, convert the data into a fully editable format (I have no idea how big a job this would be), and then arrange some site management. Otherwise, as you suggest, the site will become less and less relevant until the situation is so unsatisfactory that someone else sets up an alternative site with the same function (which may have the same lifecycle if not well thought through from the outset). There's no money in it though so it would have to be a person/organisation willing to spend some money for the sole benefit of the climbing community
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I wonder who fits that bill? :-\
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For the record, if someone helped me with the initial set up of a new site. I'd do the donkey work and run it.
Edit: Of course, with a it of luck that won't be required, as hopefully Jon will be going to start adding input to YG again. :please:
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Oops. Slight misunderstanding on my part. BMC are contributing a significant amount, but I'll still need donations to keep it going. So, go to it.
So far, since my last request for donations, I've received £0.
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This thread disappoints me. I donated a tenner last year and thought if everyone who uses the site regularly does the same it will be fine for years to come, obviously I was wrong. When Jon asks for more donations people are happy to post on here they will contribute but then obviously they don't follow through. I'm not sure if people recognise the fact that Jon has set this up in his own time at his own cost and now just wants his costs covered. I bet plenty of people have been happy to 'donate' £24 for the new guide book which I would expect will be making a profit for someone at some point and is also not something which can be updated or, regardless of what it says on the front, is definative (I know the guide has routes as well as bouldering so it is not exactly the same).
If people don't donate and it gets removed then, whilst I would miss it, I would fully understand. I'm not prepared to keep donating when it's obvious others aren't.
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On the other hand, at least one person has offered to host the site for free. Has Jon explored that avenue?
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Latest update. As well as the BMC, The Depot have offered to sponsor the site. Many thanks to Steve for this. New adverts will be appearing on the site in due course. There's no need for donations now - I've refunded the two people who had already donated - and the site's survival is assured for another year. Thanks all.
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Excellent news! Well done to Sdunning et al. for securing this resource for us all!
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That's brill! Thanks Depot and BMC!
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This thread disappoints me. I donated a tenner last year and thought if everyone who uses the site regularly does the same it will be fine for years to come, obviously I was wrong. When Jon asks for more donations people are happy to post on here they will contribute but then obviously they don't follow through. I'm not sure if people recognise the fact that Jon has set this up in his own time at his own cost and now just wants his costs covered. I bet plenty of people have been happy to 'donate' £24 for the new guide book which I would expect will be making a profit for someone at some point and is also not something which can be updated or, regardless of what it says on the front, is definative (I know the guide has routes as well as bouldering so it is not exactly the same).
If people don't donate and it gets removed then, whilst I would miss it, I would fully understand. I'm not prepared to keep donating when it's obvious others aren't.
I wonder if the authors of said guide utilised the website and acknowledge the site as aresource for their publication? Would their publication even be definitive without such an up-to-date resource (even with the limitations of users not being able to edit it directly, i.e. not the same as peakbouldering.info)
If so are they willing to funnel a proportion of every guidebook sales profit (which is I would imagine slim at best) back to the website? :shrug:
others have made offers, and they may have received private responses, but I don't see any public response to their offers from the person requesting donations, if there was it may encourage others, perhaps? :shrug:
so come on Jon, what do you say to those who are offering to help? Or are you waiting for them to put their money where their mouths are?
it's great that the sites future had been secured for another year, props to the BMC & Depot (and very kind of Jon to refund the donations received), but will there be another thread in a year?
this is not a slight on Jon's efforts which are substantial, but trying to address long-term sustainability.
and JK as for not donating just because others don't, that's just facile. Do you donate to the charities I choose to support? I doubt it, but it won't stop me from donating to them, because it's what I choose to do, and I do so because I want to, not because other people donate to them.
disclaimer : I rarely boulder in Yorkshire and hasn't donated to the site.
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If so are they willing to funnel a proportion of every guidebook sales profit (which is I would imagine slim at best) back to the website? :shrug:
They already have!
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If so are they willing to funnel a proportion of every guidebook sales profit (which is I would imagine slim at best) back to the website? :shrug:
They already have!
that is genuinely great, and the way it should be (what is the percentage?).
maybe that should be publicised more widely. I've not bought the guide so have no idea whether this is stated in there.
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Not directly though Total climbing and the Depot are the same person.
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Not directly though Total climbing and the Depot are the same person.
oh ok, but is that the same as a proportion of each guide's profit being donated as I was asking?
also isn't the 'definitive' guide JK is referring to the new guide from the YMC (as it covers routes)?
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07.11.2012
Coming soon - updates!
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also isn't the 'definitive' guide JK is referring to the new guide from the YMC (as it covers routes)?
I don't know, both guides would have benefited from yorkshiregrit.com so I'm not sure which he's referring to but I assumed he meant the bouldering guide.
oh ok, but is that the same as a proportion of each guide's profit being donated as I was asking?
No, but it's good that one of Yorkshire's key players is willing to donate to one of Yorkshire's key resources, even if he's not supporting it through guidebook sales. I'm not sure how profitable the guidebook will have been anyway!
07.11.2012
Coming soon - updates!
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I don't know, both guides would have benefited from yorkshiregrit.com so I'm not sure which he's referring to but I assumed he meant the bouldering guide.
Well JK mentioned 'routes'so I think I know which they were getting to ;)
[ quote author=andi_e link=topic=18558.msg382882#msg382882 date=1352454655]
No, but it's good that one of Yorkshire's key players is willing to donate to one of Yorkshire's key resources, even if he's not supporting it through guidebook sales. I'm not sure how profitable the guidebook will have been anyway![/quote]
no disagreement, but they are not the same. and there is the possibility that a lump sum donation exceeds a proportion of each guidebook sale (if the proportion was low #statingtheobvious)
07.11.2012
Coming soon - updates!
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what you are both saying.
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Rock + Run will be supporting the site as well. Thanks to Greg C.
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Can't seem to get on it today... Anyone else having similar issues or is the problem at my end?
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Francis H just posted on FB saying Jon has jacked it in?
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Gutted!!! :no:
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Always the Archive (captured 2013-12-07) (https://web.archive.org/web/20131026184354/http://www.yorkshiregrit.com/)
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There really is no need if this is the case.
We are happy to pick up the site and have said so previously.
We can start from scratch if there is a demand but it seems a duplicated waste of effort to do so for users who have contributed.
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Gutted!!! :no:
RIP Yorkshiregrit.com
For many years Jon updated this fabulous resource. But all good things come to an end.
I'd like to say thanks to Jon for all his hard work and it sincerely has been a pleasure taking photos and video for it. It got me into photography.
Here's to Yorkshire Grit raise your glass and Like.
https://www.facebook.com/# (https://www.facebook.com/#)!/climbersbalm?fref=ts
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There really is no need if this is the case.
We are happy to pick up the site and have said so previously.
We can start from scratch if there is a demand but it seems a duplicated waste of effort to do so for users who have contributed.
For what it's worth I think you'd be better starting from scratch with a DB that isn't limited to one area (such as Yorkshire), that way it can expand and grow, much in the way the UKC database has done (but with greater functionality).
Allowing user input and 'some' users moderation rights should keep data maintenance to a minimum, it's only the framework that'd take some time (any PHP/MySQL pros on here?). /2p
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For what it's worth I think you'd be better starting from scratch with a DB that isn't limited to one area (such as Yorkshire), that way it can expand and grow, much in the way the UKC database has done (but with greater functionality).
Allowing user input and 'some' users moderation rights should keep data maintenance to a minimum, it's only the framework that'd take some time (any PHP/MySQL pros on here?). /2p
:agree:
archive.org + wget :whistle:
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There really is no need if this is the case.
We are happy to pick up the site and have said so previously.
We can start from scratch if there is a demand but it seems a duplicated waste of effort to do so for users who have contributed.
For what it's worth I think you'd be better starting from scratch with a DB that isn't limited to one area (such as Yorkshire), that way it can expand and grow, much in the way the UKC database has done (but with greater functionality).
Allowing user input and 'some' users moderation rights should keep data maintenance to a minimum, it's only the framework that'd take some time (any PHP/MySQL pros on here?). /2p
You're looking at quite a job to recreate this site; it's quite high function. It's not just installing some already existing forum software, spanking on wordpress etc..
If you could get the database, then that would be a start. Mining the wayback machine ain't a decent idea; you'd spend about fourteen years of your life trying to parse the html into data, time which would be better spent.
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Anybody got an email or contact for Jon? I know somebody looking to take this on who has the skills, but no DB no joy and who knows where the video has gone, hope he had a back up. Oh and I want my tick list back but that's another story.
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Mining the wayback machine ain't a decent idea; you'd spend about fourteen years of your life trying to parse the html into data, time which would be better spent.
I'm not offering to do this (I'm not actually too hot with RegEx's), but there must be some from of regular structure to the pages, that once deduced would be less time-consuming than going through the guides and retyping everything (although having basic skeletons for each venue and getting users to add content spreads the work load, but has issues regarding quality of descriptions).
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/regular_expressions.png)
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Well.
That's interesting. I use regex's a lot. You might say that I am a bit of an expert.
You should read this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags, (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags,) but in brief
You can't parse [X]HTML with regex. Because HTML can't be parsed by regex. Regex is not a tool that can be used to correctly parse HTML. As I have answered in HTML-and-regex questions here so many times before, the use of regex will not allow you to consume HTML. Regular expressions are a tool that is insufficiently sophisticated to understand the constructs employed by HTML. HTML is not a regular language and hence cannot be parsed by regular expressions. Regex queries are not equipped to break down HTML into its meaningful parts. so many times but it is not getting to me. Even enhanced irregular regular expressions as used by Perl are not up to the task of parsing HTML. You will never make me crack. HTML is a language of sufficient complexity that it cannot be parsed by regular expressions. Even Jon Skeet cannot parse HTML using regular expressions. Every time you attempt to parse HTML with regular expressions, the unholy child weeps the blood of virgins, and Russian hackers pwn your webapp. Parsing HTML with regex summons tainted souls into the realm of the living. HTML and regex go together like love, marriage, and ritual infanticide. The <center> cannot hold it is too late. The force of regex and HTML together in the same conceptual space will destroy your mind like so much watery putty. If you parse HTML with regex you are giving in to Them and their blasphemous ways which doom us all to inhuman toil for the One whose Name cannot be expressed in the Basic Multilingual Plane, he comes. HTML-plus-regexp will liquify the nerves of the sentient whilst you observe, your psyche withering in the onslaught of horror. Rege̿̔̉x-based HTML parsers are the cancer that is killing StackOverflow it is too late it is too late we cannot be saved the trangession of a chi͡ld ensures regex will consume all living tissue (except for HTML which it cannot, as previously prophesied) dear lord help us how can anyone survive this scourge using regex to parse HTML has doomed humanity to an eternity of dread torture and security holes using regex as a tool to process HTML establishes a breach between this world and the dread realm of c͒ͪo͛ͫrrupt entities (like SGML entities, but more corrupt) a mere glimpse of the world of regex parsers for HTML will instantly transport a programmer's consciousness into a world of ceaseless screaming, he comes, the pestilent slithy regex-infection will devour your HTML parser, application and existence for all time like Visual Basic only worse he comes he comes do not fight he com̡e̶s, ̕h̵is un̨ho͞ly radiańcé destro҉ying all enli̍̈́̂̈́ghtenment, HTML tags lea͠ki̧n͘g fr̶ǫm ̡yo͟ur eye͢s̸ ̛l̕ik͏e liquid pain, the song of re̸gular expression parsing will extinguish the voices of mortal man from the sphere I can see it can you see ̲͚̖͔̙î̩́t̲͎̩̱͔́̋̀ it is beautiful the final snuffing of the lies of Man ALL IS LOŚ͖̩͇̗̪̏̈́T ALL IS LOST the pon̷y he comes he c̶̮omes he comes the ichor permeates all MY FACE MY FACE ᵒh god no NO NOO̼OO NΘ stop the an*̶͑̾̾̅ͫ͏̙̤g͇̫͛͆̾ͫ̑͆l͖͉̗̩̳̟̍ͫͥͨe̠̅s ͎a̧͈͖r̽̾̈́͒͑e not rè̑ͧ̌aͨl̘̝̙̃ͤ͂̾̆ ZA̡͊͠͝LGΌ ISͮ̂҉̯͈͕̹̘̱ TO͇̹̺ͅƝ̴ȳ̳ TH̘Ë͖́̉ ͠P̯͍̭O̚N̐Y̡ H̸̡̪̯ͨ͊̽̅̾̎Ȩ̬̩̾͛ͪ̈́̀́͘ ̶̧̨̱̹̭̯ͧ̾ͬC̷̙̲̝͖ͭ̏ͥͮ͟Oͮ͏̮̪̝͍M̲̖͊̒ͪͩͬ̚̚͜Ȇ̴̟̟͙̞ͩ͌͝S̨̥̫͎̭ͯ̿̔̀ͅ
The key is to do with Chomsky grammer types.
You could say that in fact, the yorkshire grit pages are simple enough and regular enough that they have their own regular grammar structure and you could do it. I tend to agree, but it would take you fourteen years and you would go madder than the chap above.
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That rant starts off coherently then descends into madness.....which is I guess the point the author and yourself are making.
The second highest voted response was more what I had in mind as I would expect the site structure would be fairly regular.
The site is clearly off-line but beyond the Farcebook post from Francis Holland does anyone actually know Jon and why he has taken it off-line and if it will remain so?
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From the OP:
I'm no longer interested in it myself
It would be shame if the database disappears though. I wonder what a fair market price would be?
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From the OP:
I'm looking for donations to keep yorkshiregrit.com running. I'm no longer interested in it myself and I'll kill it off unless it pays for itself. Cost is £24 per month. I'll keep it running as long as the donations I receive cover the cost.
Does this mean donations have dried up again or is there another motive for killing it off given that was Jons stance over two years ago?
The site had sponsorship from the Depot and Metolius which will have helped contribute to covering the costs (at least upto October last year). :shrug:
It would be shame if the database disappears though. I wonder what a fair market price would be?
:agree: but have no idea.
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You're looking at quite a job to recreate this site; it's quite high function. It's not just installing some already existing forum software, spanking on wordpress etc..
Do PHP and MySQL strike you as existing forum software? I'm aware it isn't simply 'spanking on wordpress'.
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Do PHP and MySQL strike you as existing forum software? I'm aware it isn't simply 'spanking on wordpress'.
I love it when you talk dirty
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You could say that in fact, the yorkshire grit pages are simple enough and regular enough that they have their own regular grammar structure and you could do it. I tend to agree, but it would take you fourteen years and you would go madder than the chap above.
In light of yesterdays discourse this made me chuckle this morning...
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/regex_golf.png) (http://xkcd.com/1313/)
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Nerdy code speak aside. If Jon is willing to give the YG.com database over to UKB then I'm sure there are enough people active in the area who would be willing to chip in with content. As JB says, I've no idea what the going rate for the database would be. This is Yorkshire Gritstone that we're talking about so it could actually be priceless.
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My question was a tad rhetorical - I doubt there is a 'going rate' and it's worth whatever someone will pay for it.
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Without being a party pooper, what would be the advantage of having a UKB database?
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Without being a party pooper, what would be the advantage of having a UKB database?
Three things spring to my mind...
- The user-base who would* augment and grow it.
- Improved functionality over existing route databases (e.g. linking in pictures and video from outside of the site its hosted at, which the UKC log-book isn't currently capable of).
- With regards to Yorkshire Grit, not loosing a large amount of detailed and carefully organised information.
* actually "could" is probably more appropriate, it takes time and effort that not everyone has the inclination to spend on it as a quick perusal of those who edit the UKB WIki shows.
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It could also expand to cover other areas, not limited to bouldering which could benefit from more accurate information. In my eyes some of the more popular sport climbing areas could benefit from this.
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With regards to Yorkshire Grit, not loosing a large amount of detailed and carefully organised information.
I don't see how YG would work as a pure database?
It could also expand to cover other areas, not limited to bouldering which could benefit from more accurate information. In my eyes some of the more popular sport climbing areas could benefit from this.
But aren't there databases out there already with this info?
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It could also expand to cover other areas, not limited to bouldering which could benefit from more accurate information. In my eyes some of the more popular sport climbing areas could benefit from this.
:agree: I've tried to setup up templates for venues on the wiki but a) its not really the most appropriate tool for actual problem/route descriptions, more for an overview of each area; b) its not had masses added (although I noticed Chris has been migrating some of the articles from Scottishclimbs wiki (https://www.scottishclimbs.com/wiki/Main_Page) over as its soon to be taken off line too, nice one Chris :2thumbsup: ).
The main drawback to any of it (Wiki or a route database) is that they rely on user input (and to some degree moderation/editing). Prolific developers in the Peak (e.g. Bonjoy) do a great job not only developing and climbing new routes/problems but also recording them in the existing peakbouldering.info and reporting them here, but there is tons and tons of bouldering that isn't covered. For example theres no North Wales or Lakes database that I know of. Simon does a great job writing & publishing the guide and keeping new problems reported on the blog, and Greg C has done outstanding work with his Lakesblocs guides. Similarly Dave Flannegan has done a great job developing the Eire guide, which until he got serious about publishing was available as free PDFs, but theres no database which users could add to themselves.
I think DBs would actually be useful for guide writers as its a simple way for them to collate new problems/routes being developed (albeit with the caveat that they will likely need checking if they are to go into any sort of publication, which in itself is no small task).
Another candidate, besides UKB, for developing such a database would be the BMC.
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With regards to Yorkshire Grit, not loosing a large amount of detailed and carefully organised information.
I don't see how YG would work as a pure database?
It is was a database....with a WebUI front-end.
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(although I noticed Chris has been migrating some of the articles from Scottishclimbs wiki (https://www.scottishclimbs.com/wiki/Main_Page) over as its soon to be taken off line too, nice one Chris :2thumbsup: ).
Cheers, I'm doing the Clova one, but it's punkpunk (and I think pebblespanker) who have done sterling work on the Croe and Lednock ones.
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With regards to Yorkshire Grit, not loosing a large amount of detailed and carefully organised information.
I don't see how YG would work as a pure database?
It is was a database....with a WebUI front-end.
OK, I envisaged something more along the lines of UKC routes database. A YorkshireGrit covering all the UK would be immense.
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Similarly Dave Flannegan has done a great job developing the Eire guide, which until he got serious about publishing was available as free PDFs, but theres no database which users could add to themselves.
Actually there is, http://www.theshortspan.com/newproblemdatabase/newproblemdatabase.php, (http://www.theshortspan.com/newproblemdatabase/newproblemdatabase.php,) it's just for recording new problems but it has been running a few years. Just a few lines of php.
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I think Bleau.info and UKC have proved a database can and will be maintained mostly by users IF it is useful. That means a decent having logbook feature, which gives the carrot to persuade users to do the hard work of making it the most comprehensive knowledge base.
I'm a bit undecided as to whether a tight geographical remit is better than an unlimited one. I suspect it is, at least to start with. There are a bunch of failed or moribund unlimited databases out there already.
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How many of those had a community attached?
There's quite a lot of people on here who are keen about:
Peak Bouldering
Yorkshire Bouldering
Yorkshire Sport
Peak Sport
North Wales Bouldering
North Wales Lime
and other things...
Although some of those are serviced by wiki's or standalone sites my opinion is they'd be really useful / well used in a database attached to a forum such as this and with centralised maintenance. Love or loathe UKC their database is a stroke of genius and must be invaluable for Rockfax.
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Love or loathe UKC their database is a stroke of genius and must be invaluable for Rockfax.
... and it's taken years of effort and no doubt 10s of thousands of pounds to get it to where it is. I use sites such as Peakbouldering.info, but I don't bother logging anything on there.
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Key idea here is establishing a common format for the data and this bases? Sounds like something important and over-arching.. BMC?
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Actually there is, http://www.theshortspan.com/newproblemdatabase/newproblemdatabase.php, (http://www.theshortspan.com/newproblemdatabase/newproblemdatabase.php,) it's just for recording new problems but it has been running a few years. Just a few lines of php.
Sorry, hadn't come across that before, looks good, and I've added a link to it on the Wiki page here (as well as to your guide).
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... and it's taken years of effort and no doubt 10s of thousands of pounds to get it to where it is. I use sites such as Peakbouldering.info, but I don't bother logging anything on there.
Absolutely, but it started somewhere and it has its limitations.
Key idea here is establishing a common format for the data and this bases? Sounds like something important and over-arching.. BMC?
As things progress you'd imagine something like this would be a lot more workable than scripts.
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How many of those had a community attached?
There's quite a lot of people on here who are keen about:
Peak Bouldering
Yorkshire Bouldering
Yorkshire Sport
Peak Sport
North Wales Bouldering
North Wales Lime
Lancashire Bouldering
etc etc
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The reason UKC's logbook is so widely used is because it comes with the rest of UKC attached - news, a busy forum, gear for sale, adverts etc etc etc. Despite UKC being 90% utter shit, the whole package of features in one place is attractive to lots of
punters climbers.
Standalone databases are destined to be ignored by most. I can't be arsed going to NW lime database, then going to Peak Bouldering database, then going to blah de blah etc etc etc .....
Both the BMC website or UKB would benefit from a good, extensive route/boulder database.
If the BMC adopted it they'd also need to develop a good forum to compliment their, so-far excellent, video and news content. If they didn't do this then I don't believe they drive enough people to their site to make the database work as well as UKC's. But impartiality and moderation of the forum etc etc might be political. The best thing BMC could do is buy out UKB and attach it to BMC website whilst leaving it independent of BMC opinion and politics.
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UKB could get serious and try to develop a database. Time, money and no guarantee it'd pay off.
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I think Bleau.info and UKC have proved a database can and will be maintained mostly by users IF it is useful.
I agree, but even in these cases there needed to be a huge initial input by the site. No user is going to start populating a DB which doesn't have a fair chunk of complete material in it already.
I'm a bit undecided as to whether a tight geographical remit is better than an unlimited one. I suspect it is, at least to start with. There are a bunch of failed or moribund unlimited databases out there already.
I think the best bet is to start limited and specific but structure the thing in such a way that it is not limited to the initial remit and can be expanded with minimal modification when/if it has generated a demand and proved its usefulness. Ultimately though a site covering a small area really well is better than a sprawling thing which is more holes than substance.
In all of the above pb.info got it right, however it got a lot of other stuff wrong and that's why people have stopped updating it. As such it would be a useful lesson to any DB setting up. The main problems I see are:
- Users are too limited in how they can edit. They can't even delete a duplicate entry for instance, or re-order a butress.
- There is no notice board on the site. This should be at the front of the site. For users to trust that the site is worth their time they need to have a public place to ask things of the site admin and get prompt answers.
- Major issues of dysfunctionality remain unfixed months/years after being pointed out to the admin. If it looks like the site owner isn't bothered about the site why would a user risk wasting their time being bothered?
- Running a DB for the long term seems like a lot of work and hassle, so it's probably best if more than one person knows the in's and outs of the site. Again, if a site looks vulnerable to sudden loss of interest by it's creator and subsequent demise, why would a potential user risk wasting time on it?
Other things which would help would be some endorsement from beasts/respected climbers, some publicity (at least initially), attachment to an already well used site and some input from a good web designer so it looks quite nice.
To my mind this all points to a collaboration between a potential DB creator plus either UKB, the BMC, or preferably both. The more credible the thing looks the more users will use it and at the end of the day that's what makes these things good, lots of active users.
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:agree: good, thought out and valid points Bonjoy, particularly the aspect of designing something that expands beyond a given region (and theres no actual reason why either peakbouldering.info or yorkshiregrit.com or any of the other existing sites in their present format couldn't be expanded to include additional areas).
The one thing I would add/say is...
- Users are too limited in how they can edit. They can't even delete a duplicate entry for instance, or re-order a butress.
Careful thought should be given to how much users can edit. Things can get very messy, very quickly if users have free for-all to change everything. UKC have volunteer moderators for crags and I think this is a really useful thing since it engenders a sense of responsibility and care for the write-up of their local haunt, and if any resource were to be developed as a consequence of this thread I think it would benefit from this too. Primarily because they might be more familiar with their local crag than a visitor who added an entry with some inaccuracies.
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- Users are too limited in how they can edit. They can't...re-order a buttress.
Actually that one has been fixed. Progress is slow, but Gareth is still keen to improve peakbouldering.info. Hopefully at some point it will do all the things we want it to. I realise it has been years in the making and has its flaws, but even as it stands I think it's a great resource and seems to be well used.
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:agree: good, thought out and valid points Bonjoy, particularly the aspect of designing something that expands beyond a given region (and theres no actual reason why either peakbouldering.info or yorkshiregrit.com or any of the other existing sites in their present format couldn't be expanded to include additional areas).
The one thing I would add/say is...
- Users are too limited in how they can edit. They can't even delete a duplicate entry for instance, or re-order a butress.
Careful thought should be given to how much users can edit. Things can get very messy, very quickly if users have free for-all to change everything. UKC have volunteer moderators for crags and I think this is a really useful thing since it engenders a sense of responsibility and care for the write-up of their local haunt, and if any resource were to be developed as a consequence of this thread I think it would benefit from this too. Primarily because they might be more familiar with their local crag than a visitor who added an entry with some inaccuracies.
Agree. Two tiers of user updaters should solve that one. UKC effectively have this with the crag moderators and standard inputers. Yeah otherwise a malicious user could come in one night and delete half the DB.
- Users are too limited in how they can edit. They can't...re-order a buttress.
Actually that one has been fixed. Progress is slow, but Gareth is still keen to improve peakbouldering.info. Hopefully at some point it will do all the things we want it to. I realise it has been years in the making and has its flaws, but even as it stands I think it's a great resource and seems to be well used.
It would be good if pb.info did get properly sorted as it would make life easier not having to re-enter the same info into a new site. I do appreciate the effort Gareth has put in on the site but I do think he needs help if he's ever going to get the site up to scratch. There's a lot needs doing to it and it's not all techy stuff. Just fixing a few bugs is not going to convince new users to start updating, or ex-users to start bothering again.
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Agree. Two tiers of user updaters should solve that one. UKC effectively have this with the crag moderators and standard inputers. Yeah otherwise a malicious user could come in one night and delete half the DB.
Tiered user access rights is definitely the way to go.
Periodic and automatic database back ups would be easy to organise and implement to avoid malicious deletions.
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Periodic and automatic database back ups would be easy to organise and implement to avoid malicious deletions.
Backup....EVERYTHING, ALWAYS.
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Tiered user access rights is definitely the way to go.
Periodic and automatic database back ups would be easy to organise and implement to avoid malicious deletions.
That, and just log every change made into a table of its own so you can reverse it or even leave it pending to be approved by a moderator etc..
I haven't thought about this at all btw. :whistle:
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Only just seen the bad news (being too busy with YMC scripts maybe?). While the medium future options are being weighed it would be great if the site could be transferred and rehosted somewhere else pretty much as is. If funding assistance was needed Im sure a few folk here could help. Id strongly support UKB doing this as I suspect the BMC structures wont be flexible enough for anything quick beyond funding support ( even though I'd love to be proved wrong). This is an important resource.
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I tweeted Jon on Tuesday 2013-01-07 @ 09:58...
@jp2598 hi, was wondering if lack of funds is why you've wound up http://yorkshiregrit.com (http://yorkshiregrit.com) ? would you consider others taking over the site?
No reply yet (not that that means anything).
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Nice one Slackers...for what it's worth I've DM'd Jon to the same effect. Would be happy to underwrite the revive / refresh as appropriate if Jon would be prepared to part with the data.
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I've dropped Francis a message too seeing if he can contact Jon.
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I tweeted Jon on Tuesday 2013-01-07 @ 09:58...
@jp2598 hi, was wondering if lack of funds is why you've wound up http://yorkshiregrit.com (http://yorkshiregrit.com) ? would you consider others taking over the site?
No reply yet (not that that means anything).
No reply and I doubt I'll ever get one. Anyone else heard back?
Wikiboulder.com (http://wikiboulder.com/) could be a promising solution, but as always hinges on user input. Good work fatneck on starting the Porth Ysgo entry, not sure why Yarncliffe has made it in before any of the other bouldering venues in the Peak District (only a handful of boulder problems there).
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And a very limited grade spread apparently :)
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Francis did actually reply and said he and Jon were both aware of this thread, but neither intended responding.
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That's a shame - an opportunity missed in my opinion, I'd certainly have liked to have been involved with taking over / the resurrection / improvement of the site. Was happy to come to a financial agreement re: the data as well.
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Francis did actually reply and said he and Jon were both aware of this thread, but neither intended responding.
Any indication or mention of whether Jon was willing to pass on or sell the data within the site?
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He didn't say.
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Sounds like its a lost cause . :(
I guess people will have to rely on the mirrors in archive.org
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Was happy to come to a financial agreement re: the data as well
If someone was to make a concrete offer of hard cash I daresay it might at least get a response
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No idea of Jon's details, but Francis can be contacted either as Francis Holland, or through Sypeland Climbers Balm on Facebook.
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It's pretty pointless contacting me. I don't have any info other than what you already know.
Yes it's a pity the site has gone but I only contributed photos and video. If Jon wanted to relinquish the site/code then he would have done so by now.
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Is that based on what Jon has said to you or is it an educated guess?
The reason this is still being discussed is that it still looks like an open question. No one seems to know if Jon is unwilling to sell/give or just hasn’t seen an offer that he likes. It’d be nice to end the speculation and move on, so if you know anything Francis…
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I've messaged Jon again, this time with a more specific proposition which I'm hoping might be of interest...
If this falls on deaf ears I will begin graciously slip away into the shadows.
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I've messaged Jon again, this time with a more specific proposition which I'm hoping might be of interest...
If this falls on deaf ears I will begin graciously slip away into the shadows.
Let me know if you need a hand with your proposition!!
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Any news on this from anybody.. Think theres a lot of people missing it including me self :(
I did remember this website from ages ago and put yorkshiregrit in.. doesnt have all the details on all the boulders but would be a good start if we were to bring her back to life..
waybackmachine
http://web.archive.org/web/20130313070501/http://www.yorkshiregrit.com/almscliff.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20130313070501/http://www.yorkshiregrit.com/almscliff.html)
peace... m
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If somebody slips Jon a few Gs then it's yours.
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Au contraire it would appear...my efforts to open negotiations were met with total radio silence sadly.
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Up the offer! Spoke to him at Trollers and I think he's open to offers.
The view is that the site could be made commercial and as such Jon doesn't want it to go for free.
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You went to trollers? With dave naan ?
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Been a few times with Naan and Bizzle.
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Not sure why us brits are'nt into using 27 crags.com looks like rest of the world does, well most ..
I'm not sure why we couldnt use it the same way we used yorkshire grit .. if anything its better, sort of . ITs the content the makes a site as they say. It justs need us yorkshire folk to use it or i'm i missing sumit?
m
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It would be nice to salvage the info of YG but the platform is a deadend IMO. Anything which requires such a high level of editing by the site owner everytime any info is added is unsustainable. PB.info is far from perfect but it’s sustainable because it can and does continue to function without continual input from the owner. Any replacement for YG needs to be based around direct user input/editing.
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The one thing that's for certain is that the current state of affairs cannot go on. Where are we supposed to go for beta and to scope potential projects (OK, aside from UKB and the papery versions).
The only valuable bit of the website is the database of problems, the photos, and perhaps most importantly, the comments. The structure needs a completely new approach. If somebody was willing to do this and make it commercial then it could probably cover the sum that would be right for Jon. However, seeing as yg has now been down for some time and nothing has yet been done, it would seem that there is not the will, savvy, or both to do this.
Jon, if you're reading this, please do not let yg die. You created a tool that got hundreds of people up hundreds of problems. It is amazing!
If the data can be made available then it could be given to someone like 27 crags and they may well be able to take it and convert it to their own format. They'll make a buck out of it, but the data will be hosted without charge to an individual and it will give a proven platform to use, and yg will get to live on. Surely that is a better option than just letting it die?
If the data cannot be made available then we simply need to decide as a community what platform we're going to subscribe to and get on with using it. If people add on problems as they do/attempt them, then coverage will grow to cover the most popular stuff quite quickly.
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Here's a short term solution for you: endeavor to get Alan at UKClimbing to assign all the moderation duties of all relevant crags to one person/group of individuals in the know. They can then mold the various crag pages into a much more useful block of data, i.e. with a common pattern of data entry, more useful information and photos etc. This is what I have been trying to do with the Lakes crags and run along side LB I think it works quite well. I could of course do a better job, but as with all these endeavors it takes mucho time.
I realise many of you will probably start whining about UKC being a for-profit organisation and how you don't want to further their website for no personal gain yourselves, but in light of the fact that despite all the shit people spout about resurrecting YG or something similar no one has yet put their money and effort where their mouth is. As such maybe it's time people just utilized what's available, whether it's UKC or 27Crags (problem with that is you have little in the way of base info to start with).
PS: Anyone who pays 'A few Gs' for YG is off their tits.
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but in light of the fact that despite all the shit people spout about resurrecting YG or something similar no one has yet put their money and effort where their mouth is.
We were in touch with JP back along when he was complaining about lack of funds and offered to collaborate but he said he would prefer to let it die a "dignified death" than run our adverts on it... and then later he went and ran a couple of adverts on it.
We are open to supporting Yorkshire Grit Redux or similar if anyone wants to take that project on...
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I can't see much dignified in taking it offline and refusing to share the database. Anyone know how much he wants for it?
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I can't see much dignified in taking it offline and refusing to share the database. Anyone know how much he wants for it?
Seems like a case of 'its my ball and i won't let you play with it'?
Offers have been made to stump up cash, but he doesn't seem willing to take it?
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How much?
Up the offer! Spoke to him at Trollers and I think he's open to offers.
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I've kind of lost the passion for this now. I've gone through the grieving process and I'm OK with just using the guide books, not to mention the explosion in vimeo shorts to gain psyche. The guides are now far better than they were, slightly more accurate with grades, and far more inspiring. Jon found it a chore to run, not to mention a financial tie. He's not getting involved in the debate. This shouldn't be ignored. I think it's time to let go... :wave:
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If such a niche bouldering site really cost that much to host then he was hosting in the wrong place or using bandwidth unnecessarily. If it took up that much of his time to maintain then the site was poorly designed.
People have expressed interest in continuing the work or buying the database but he's been more than dismissive.
It'd be better starting from scratch and create a site that's easier to maintain and that actually respects it's community rather than one that just leaves all it's contributors high and dry when the sole owner/admin decides to throw a hissy/pull the plug.
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He's not getting involved in the debate. This shouldn't be ignored.
Apart from on twitter and via third parties on here... The mud clear status of the question is a result of mixed messages and no final definitive statement.
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the explosion in vimeo shorts to gain psyche.
Sounds like you are really motivated!
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If such a niche bouldering site really cost that much to host then he was hosting in the wrong place or using bandwidth unnecessarily. If it took up that much of his time to maintain then the site was poorly designed.
People have expressed interest in continuing the work or buying the database but he's been more than dismissive.
It'd be better starting from scratch and create a site that's easier to maintain and that actually respects it's community rather than one that just leaves all it's contributors high and dry when the sole owner/admin decides to throw a hissy/pull the plug.
I couldn't agree more with every point you raised here, all of which go hand in hand with Bonjoy's point.
If anyone feels that strongly about having a Yorkshire grit bouldering website then pull your finger out your arse and make a new one. For heavens sake there are tons of active boulderers in Yorkshire, surely some sort of syndicate could be put together to share the work and (minimal) costs involved. Alternatively, as has been suggested use some existing medium to fill the YG.com void. If you can't be arsed with either option then stop going on about how 'someone' should do it as that sentiment is becoming broken record material.
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OK.
I've just bought yorkshiregrit.org.uk for the princely sum of £8.50 for two years...
If anyone wants to use it for the replacement site etc... let me know. Happy to donate it... Also happy to be a minorish player in any replacement if anyone interested in forming some sort of consortium etc...
TT
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I'm up for a consortium. My job will be to go out and get grade estimates on every problem in Yorkshire.
Seriously though, I'm more than happy to submit any photos/videos I may have to help, plus write crag/problem descriptions and things like that. I've got no computer skills but I've got a decent number of problems stored in my head!
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I've no idea - but would have thought some sort of third party wiki site thingy could be used?
Or talk to the peakbouldering folk?
I can do a bit more of the techy side of things (ish) but probably as more of an informed user/developer than coder
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:clap2: Nice one. All the best with it.
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Good luck guys :thumbsup:. Like many I have no computer skills, but have bumbled up loads of Yorkshire low grades and would be more than happy to start populating a database.
(It looks like I might have to give up on the video of me nearly falling off splashdown as YG has the only copy on it's database.)
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If you want a hand testing the website let me know. Testing software is what I do for a living.
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Thanks - be really useful to have people to fill in the sections/crags when/if it gets up and running (thats the real donkey work I suspect...). Setting it up in the first place is the toughy now!!
Well I've emailed Gareth (Peakbouldering) to see if he's got any pointers.. anyone any bright ideas of how to do this please let me know!!!!
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I will also get in on this, in much the same capacity as others who have no specific technical skill but are active in the region.
I would have thought a suitable wiki format would be best but it would need to be structured so as not to be a complete ball ache to keep neat and tidy. Looked at 27crags this morning and thought it was a bit whack. Not so fused on topos, think problem by problem discussion and photos/video is more important.
Nice one TT
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Am happy to provide my strong but baseless opinions re: user interface too, as that's part of what I do for a living.
Will drop you PM with a few ideas / suggestions Tom.
For the record I'd approached Jon on this via DM back when the thread started, but it never came to anything as I gather he wasn't aware of the message. We've since been briefly back and forth on Twitter but in the interim I appear to have bought a house, so any funds I had to offer to Jon have been sucked into that.
Obviously keen to be involved, even if only in capacity of downgrading anything considered "easy for the tall"...
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Good effort lad. Keep motivated.
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Tom, as Gareth will probably tell you, the peakbouldering engine could easily do this - it just needs people who are keen to populate the site. Gareth could quite swiftly copy the crags and problems from the archived yorkshiregrit pages, which would save loads of time. We've chatted about this in the past but never got round to doing anything.
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Tom, as Gareth will probably tell you, the peakbouldering engine could easily do this - it just needs people who are keen to populate the site. Gareth could quite swiftly copy the crags and problems from the archived yorkshiregrit pages, which would save loads of time. We've chatted about this in the past but never got round to doing anything.
Nice one. Got to dash (work to do..) but chat later :)
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I'm a front-end web designer so would be willing to the design and html/css side of things, but would still need someone who could build the back end side, database side etc.. cheers matt
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You on facebook Matt? I started a group on there for anyone who may have input into the new site.
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yep i is on the"face book" .. you got a link to it. cheers matey
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Excellent work all. Looks like the ball has started rolling. The tortoise will be proud ;)
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Excellent work all. Looks like the ball has started rolling. The tortoise will be proud ;)
it's still asleep in its box.
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yep i is on the"face book"
Are you searchable? There's about a million people bearing your name on Facebook so I can't find you and the group is invite only. Try searching for yorkshiregrit.org.uk or search me out, my profile picture is mainly blue and my cover photo is a black and white geology experiment.
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Hello,
Some progress to report.
A small Cabal/Junta/Group/knitting circle has formed to work on this. At the moment, Gareth (Peakbouldering.info), AndyE, Will Hunt, R-Man and myself seem to be the main protagonists...
Over the weekend Gareth (peakbouldering.info) has put together an outline/draft for yorkshiregrit.org.uk (or yorkshiregrit.info - we have both)... Like the peak version this will have a page for the crag - then sub pages for areas and then the problems etc... Respect to G for doing this so fast... brilliant..
What we need for the next stage (in the coming couple of weeks at a guess) is for volunteers to fill in some of these pages.
This will involve a brief description of the area,
Descriptions of problems, grades, FA's little history - whatevery you like to add a little flavour. But something to make it a bit more interesting than 'pull hard up the blank wall' etc..
Where possible source /add photo's (from your own supply or from t'internet)...
Add video's (ditto above)...
Ideally - one person per crag would be great... though some (Caley springs to mind) could easily be done by two given the volume of the problems...
Any volunteers? Either reply here or DM, I don't mind....
TT (and the rest).
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Are you thinking about two sites? Was the idea of a combined site discussed. www.gritstone.info (http://www.gritstone.info) ?
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Are you thinking about two sites? Was the idea of a combined site discussed. www.gritstone.info (http://www.gritstone.info) ?
At the moment it looks like shaping up as two sites - though obviously sister sites/linked...
I'm not 100% sure why - It may just be for development purposes or there may be some sensible coding reasons why.. (these are stabs in the dark! one for Gareth?)
One option was to carry over / allow peakbouldering.info users to use their same login on both... anyone see this as an issue/problem?
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Brimhams just been taken...
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One option was to carry over / allow peakbouldering.info users to use their same login on both... anyone see this as an issue/problem?
No. The less the better. Easy to have a landing page with two options for yorks or peak.
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Hello,
Some progress to report.
A small Cabal/Junta/Group/knitting circle has formed to work on this. At the moment, Gareth (Peakbouldering.info), AndyE, Will Hunt, R-Man and myself seem to be the main protagonists...
Over the weekend Gareth (peakbouldering.info) has put together an outline/draft for yorkshiregrit.org.uk (or yorkshiregrit.info - we have both)... Like the peak version this will have a page for the crag - then sub pages for areas and then the problems etc... Respect to G for doing this so fast... brilliant..
What we need for the next stage (in the coming couple of weeks at a guess) is for volunteers to fill in some of these pages.
This will involve a brief description of the area,
Descriptions of problems, grades, FA's little history - whatevery you like to add a little flavour. But something to make it a bit more interesting than 'pull hard up the blank wall' etc..
Where possible source /add photo's (from your own supply or from t'internet)...
Add video's (ditto above)...
Ideally - one person per crag would be great... though some (Caley springs to mind) could easily be done by two given the volume of the problems...
Any volunteers? Either reply here or DM, I don't mind....
TT (and the rest).
I'll do Earl Crag if you want?
(http://www.mykrobinson.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/put-your-money-where-your-mouth-is.jpg) ;)
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Ok.
earl, Almscliff, Brimham and Shipley have been bagsied.
Looking for the rest - in particular Caley (roadside and crag), Ilkley etc.....
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I'll do burbage north.
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Ok.
earl, Almscliff, Brimham and Shipley have been bagsied.
Looking for the rest - in particular Caley (roadside and crag), Ilkley etc.....
I can do Widdop, although not back from work until the weekend to spend some time on it.
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Great - thanks Rich.
Dave - you're on. You can use Yorkshire grades this time ;)
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Ok.
earl, Almscliff, Brimham and Shipley have been bagsied.
Looking for the rest - in particular Caley (roadside and crag), Ilkley etc.....
Probably a good idea to split Caley into its two halves so it's a more manageable undertaking
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Ok.
earl, Almscliff, Brimham and Shipley have been bagsied.
Looking for the rest - in particular Caley (roadside and crag), Ilkley etc.....
Probably a good idea to split Caley into its two halves so it's a more manageable undertaking
Indeed - thats what I meant! ;) but didnt make it very clear!
I'm assuming that Dave meant Caley Roadside when he typed Burbage North...
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Ok.
earl, Almscliff, Brimham and Shipley have been bagsied.
Looking for the rest - in particular Caley (roadside and crag), Ilkley etc.....
Probably a good idea to split Caley into its two halves so it's a more manageable undertaking
Indeed - thats what I meant! ;) but didnt make it very clear!
I'm assuming that Dave meant Caley Roadside when he typed Burbage North...
Dream on.
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I may be able to help with Caley roadside (or main). It's only down the road and I've got one hell of a Caley winter ticklist, so I'll be spending a lot of time there.
I've recently started uploading (random, bad beta) climbing videos onto my vimeo account, so I could easily upload lots of clips from Caley too. And get pictures as well.
PM me if you need any help :smart:
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Thanks - will keep you posted when the pages are ready to be populated...
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I can do Slipstones if needed. It'll be great to have the resource back online- nice one TT.
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I can do Slipstones if needed. It'll be great to have the resource back online- nice one TT.
Gareth is the main man on this - I'm just trying to recruit filler inners :)
(and do a chunk of Almscliff :) )
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No bother, well I'm here if you need me - good luck with it all!
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I'm already moderator for Snowden on FUKC so I'll take that...happy to take on Guisecliff too if it helps!
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Can anyone send me Jon Pearson's contact details? Cheers