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Do Font grades on highballs take account of height?

Yes, and they should
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#150 Re: Highball Grades
June 06, 2023, 09:46:17 am
Choose your own poison, but don't disparage the one others choose. Some savour the full "feeling and experience" while they are on the route, others enjoy post success feeling of accomplishment.

Agreed. You didn't claim that ground up = "full feeling and experience", and redpoint = "post success accomplishment", but I wanted to point out anyway that it's not necessarily that way round. There's a unique feeling and experience gained from executing practiced, hard moves perfectly, which you could easily have fallen off, that is different from the experience of a still hard (but slightly less hard) ground up ascent. Alex Honnold sort of explains this in Free Solo.

The post success feeling of accomplishment is there for either method. Personally, I'm enjoying highball redpoints (or whatever we're going to call them) at the moment for the experience. If all I wanted was a big number tick in my logbook (if I even kept one), I'd abandon highballing altogether and 'tick' some 8A limestone roofs instead. To shake things up at some point I'd quite like to try Tender Homecoming ground up as that one looks fine to fall off.

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#151 Re: Highball Grades
June 06, 2023, 09:48:14 am
Sure, we could Venn the fuck out of what we put in and get out.

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#152 Re: Highball Grades
June 06, 2023, 09:56:04 am
I wonder how many people would brave a ground up of Sparrow at Cratcliffe…

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#153 Re: Highball Grades
June 06, 2023, 10:21:13 am
I feel like ground up vs a rope or whatever is like many things in bouldering and climbing in general; while there are views that other people will have of the ascent (GU is maybe more impressive than a rope, as it is strictly harder etc) ultimately the real significance is personal, and if you personally get more from going ground up its worth it, and if you don't it probably isn't.

That's true of lots of little things. I always feel pleased by certain aspects of my climbing that others wouldn't because of my own limitations etc. Ultimately it is a very personal discipline and one's own experience matters the most. While other people do view it in one way or another as long as you're not damaging the environment or spoiling other people's fun the only real opinion on what's "better" that matters is the climber's own.

IMO anyway

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#154 Re: Highball Grades
June 06, 2023, 10:27:22 am
Fun? Who does this for fun? It's a serious matter this climbing. :)

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#155 Re: Highball Grades
June 06, 2023, 10:57:08 am
I wonder how many people would brave a ground up of Sparrow at Cratcliffe…

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#156 Re: Highball Grades
June 06, 2023, 11:48:36 am
Fun? Who does this for fun? It's a serious matter this climbing. :)

Oh god don't I know it  ;D

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#157 Re: Highball Grades
June 06, 2023, 03:17:48 pm
Choose your own poison, but don't disparage the one others choose. Some savour the full "feeling and experience" while they are on the route, others enjoy post success feeling of accomplishment.

What rubbish, I'm only in it for external validation. I want, nay need, to know if others are proud of me!

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#158 Re: Highball Grades
June 06, 2023, 03:29:29 pm
john sherman says otherwise

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_(bouldering)#Hueco_scale

"The scale is similar to many other systems in that it does not take danger or fear into account. Problems are rated based solely on the physical challenge involved. This implies that problems have the same grade on the V-scale on toprope as they would have when bouldered.[10]

10.  Sherman, John (1995). Hueco Tanks: Climbing and Bouldering Guide (2nd ed.). ISBN 0-934641-87-0."

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#159 Re: Highball Grades
June 06, 2023, 03:34:32 pm
Choose your own poison, but don't disparage the one others choose. Some savour the full "feeling and experience" while they are on the route, others enjoy post success feeling of accomplishment.

What rubbish, I'm only in it for external validation. I want, nay need, to know if others are proud of me!

All about the green tick on IGs and garnishing likes.

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#160 Re: Highball Grades
June 06, 2023, 03:42:27 pm
garnishing likes.

Report immediately to the Eggcorns thread.

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#161 Re: Highball Grades
June 06, 2023, 04:56:10 pm
Explain?

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#162 Re: Highball Grades
June 06, 2023, 05:09:39 pm
Choose your own poison, but don't disparage the one others choose. Some savour the full "feeling and experience" while they are on the route, others enjoy post success feeling of accomplishment.

What rubbish, I'm only in it for external validation. I want, nay need, to know if others are proud of me!

All about the green tick on IGs and garnishing likes.

Obviously I wrote that as a joke. But to a certain extent it’s definitely true. We are very social animals after all. And despite protests to the contrary, most people do actually care what their peers think.

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#163 Re: Highball Grades
June 06, 2023, 05:10:41 pm
You mean garnering, unless perhaps you mean that your likes are a lovely garnish on your delectable green tick...

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#164 Re: Highball Grades
June 07, 2023, 09:30:15 am
OK, fair enough, not an eggcorn though.

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#165 Re: Highball Grades
June 07, 2023, 10:15:36 am
Malapropism versus eggcorn, discuss  :popcorn:

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#166 Re: Highball Grades
June 07, 2023, 10:21:36 am
Where is a decent Venn diagram when we need one.

 

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