[SA Chris]

it's more expensive than not doing it, but I think views on what is economical are starting to change, thanks to concessions, subsidies available and the Climate Change Levy.

[Paz]

Yeah, I know, and unfair subsidy of nuclear power is a big issue, like why don't they subsidise renewables to the same degree, per watt.  I'm guessing that's a question of overall possible power output. 

Anyway, I meant isn't it energetically uneconomic - you need to burn just as much carbon as that that you're pumping/ liquefying.  I'm sure FD knows. 

[SA Chris]

Probably. Not my forte.

As far as I know it is returned in gas form, same as gas used in Gas Injection?

[lorentz]

You've been slacking on your groening intake SA chris. In futurama they dump all their crap into space, and it comes back as a giant garbage meteorite that threaten's earth's very existence. Fry saves the day by launching an even bigger rocket of garbage at it, dismissing it's likely return with a "tsk who cares, we'll all be long gone by then."

Meanwhile, back on topic. Was it on here that I heard this worrying statistic? - that if every bit of industry, every car, every powerstation and all aviation in the uk was to stop producing co2 tomorrow, within 2 years the expansion of industry in India and China would have made up the shortfall of our cessation of CO2 production. Seems like we're a bit fucked in the face of such an exponential expansion, especially when even the kyoto treaty is generally considered a token gesture to addressing the problem.

I'm not saying we can't make a difference individually, but I think it's only ever going to be a gesture in the face of the rapidly developing industrial east. All a bit disheartening really.

[SA Chris]

You've been slacking on your groening intake SA chris. In futurama they dump all their crap into space, and it comes back as a giant garbage meteorite that threaten's earth's very existence. Fry saves the day by launching an even bigger rocket of garbage at it, dismissing it's likely return with a "tsk who cares, we'll all be long gone by then."

I know the episode to which you refer intimately, was thinking along those lines when I said 'future' episode (even though i don't think they are making any more).

[Johnny Brown]

Was it on here that I heard this worrying statistic? - that if every bit of industry, every car, every powerstation and all aviation in the uk was to stop producing co2 tomorrow, within 2 years the expansion of industry in India and China would have made up the shortfall of our cessation of CO2 production.

Doesn't mean we should just give up. Throughout history the west has almost always led and the east followed, (gross generalisation I know but...). If we clean up our act first they may follow, if they don't we can encourage them with trade restrictions etc. The important thing is to start.

[SA Chris]

Amen.

Take the holistic approch.

Butterflies flapping wings and hurricanes, and all that.

[lorentz]

Yeah, I don't disagree at all. Just a sinking feeling that whatever we do is gonna be to little to late. We've known about global warming since the 80s. It's taken 20yrs to start to think seriously about starting to do something... plus I'm a cynical old sod. If something doesn't make economic sense, then generally it doesn't happen. Yay, Capitalism! I think that any hope lies in future scientific developments such as sequestration, genetically improved carbon sucking vacuum trees and mag lev transport.

No more futurama, ya say!? Gutted! Sorry, SA Chris. Re-read previous post. Didn't mean to cast aspersions on your fanhood.

[SA Chris]

Apparently no more new episodes, aye.

Did anyone see this programme? A bit far fetched, but interesting http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6374967.stm