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#50 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 22, 2005, 02:17:35 pm
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 I think its a testament to the british nation as a whole that we are not refering to the first load of bombs as "7-7" - that would have really been the final insult.


i guess thats what i get from reading the papers, seems to be the shorthand of choice in there... ;-)

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#51 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 22, 2005, 02:20:28 pm
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On an aside (forgive me for being flippant in the face of certian death) I think its a testament to the british nation as a whole that we are not refering to the first load of bombs as "7-7" - that would have really been the final insult


Already started on the BBC... and JR seems to be following, albeit with slightly different punctuation

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#52 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 22, 2005, 02:28:46 pm
aw man you're shitting me? jesus wept, i mean it really pissed me off that americans seems to be unable to use the names of months and the word "th" to say dates properly, if we start doing that in the UK i may emigrate. its bad enough with TV adverts offering sofas for sale at "seven nine five", as it its too complicated to say "seven hundred and ninety five quid". fucking morons. last thing i knew a price was a numerical value, not a code using digits. anyway i digress.

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#53 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 22, 2005, 02:38:47 pm
Yeah you do digress.  They're on 108 but they've lost Pontins.

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#54 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 22, 2005, 03:15:49 pm
Quote from: "The Scotsman"
Armed police officers could be given more aggressive shoot-to-kill orders, telling them to fire at the heads of suicide bombers, it emerged yesterday.

Under a plan known as Operation Kratos, armed Met officers could in extreme circumstances be ordered to shoot suspected suicide bombers in the head.

Details of the potential new Metropolitan Police tactics meant to stop suicide bombers emerged yesterday as the government began to outline the proposals in Tony Blair's tougher stance on deporting Muslim preachers who support terrorism.

Normal firearms rules mean officers fire at the chests of targets, with the intention of stopping and incapacitating, but not directly aiming to kill.

But the Met has been advised by Israeli security officials that this is not adequate, since even after several shots they can still be capable of triggering an explosive device.

Shooting at the chest also runs the risk of triggering explosives strapped to a terrorist's body.

Shots to the head, by contrast, kill immediately, almost instantly causing the nervous system to shut down, preventing any detonation.

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#55 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 22, 2005, 03:17:00 pm
hopefully they're not clever enough to use dead mans switches...

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#56 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 22, 2005, 03:20:25 pm
Some people are saying that it's just a matter of time before they do.

btw, A Dead Man's Switch is a switch that must be held closed all the time, often between thumb and forefinger. If the circuit is broken (eg the bomber is shot) then the bomb goes off.

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#57 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 22, 2005, 03:46:39 pm
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Yeah you do digress. They're on 108 but they've lost Pontins.


Its 149 for 3 now

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#58 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 22, 2005, 04:04:43 pm
Shit it's 174-3 now!!!!   And we thought Ashley Giles had silenced his critics.

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#59 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 22, 2005, 04:22:50 pm
plz start another topic to discuss the fucking cricket scores :roll: :lol:

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#60 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 22, 2005, 04:25:43 pm
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and we thought Ashley Giles had silenced his critics.


he evidently shot them in the chest, not the head

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#61 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 22, 2005, 05:23:41 pm
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he evidently shot them in the chest, not the head


I would have thought someone of his standing would have paid someone to do the job for him, gangland style.

tap tap.

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#62 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 22, 2005, 06:09:39 pm
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Well, well, well. They actually caught one of the other terrorists, they're just keeping it quiet I think. I was watching it live yesterday and the police got this man who had run from one of the stations into a near by hospital. He had his shirt fully unbuttoned and the plods put him on the ground at gunpoint and took into a police van.


I think they made totally the right decision shooting him. Obviously he was a threat and could have been concealing all sorts of detonators but also, what were the realistic chances that they could get anything off him? If hes willing to kill himself in a Jihad then im sure he won't spill the beans on any of the operations.

two intesting things i've heard whilst discussing this are;

the bombers bought return tickets to London, so did they intend to return but the bombs were remotely detonated by someone else or did they just want to keep a low profile

and also America is saying that we had so much intelligence on the bombers that there is no way we should have let this happen, so as far as this dude giving us information we can probally tell a whole lot by identying the body

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#63 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 22, 2005, 07:17:49 pm
If these guys have recently been 'brainwashed' as the media would have us believe, then I can imagine them crumbling fairly quickly.

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#64 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 22, 2005, 07:24:24 pm
HE is generally not sensitive to shock / friction detonation which is why ROAC et al developed the 'disrupter'which in effect fires a bolt of water into the mechanism to prevent detonation.

Some forms of explosive are shock / friction sensitive, eg co-op mix, iodine tri-nitrite etc.

So given the blokes been doing the terrorist  steeple chase and judo the chances are the explosives are stable enough for the usual 2 shot group.

x5 at close range seems at best, unprofessional.

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#65 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 22, 2005, 07:38:47 pm
Meh, they were probs just pua psyched up, i mean they train for this shit all the time but don't often get the chance to take out some terrorists.

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#66 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 22, 2005, 08:14:43 pm
Remember that the "five shots" were reported by a member of the public. It may not have been that many, and how many actually hit the (struggling) target?

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#67 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 22, 2005, 09:20:43 pm
i don't think what the officer did was correct. Although its easy to reflect and call it unprofessional but emptying a whole clip could be justified if there was reason to beleive this guy was running onto the train to set of a bomb that might have killed a lot of people.

I hope he dosen't get any stick for this, but I'm sure he will.

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#68 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 23, 2005, 02:26:57 pm
i've been off for a day n come back to 5 pages. some of the comments have been breathtakingly insightful into various people's psyches', they were for dave :wink:

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#69 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 23, 2005, 06:20:54 pm
Latest: Police calling the event 'a tragedy'; the man shot was unconnected with the terrorists...

Good job they made sure he was dead then.

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#70 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 23, 2005, 06:24:44 pm
i heard that on the news last night and was like OH. MY. GOD.

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#71 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 23, 2005, 06:39:34 pm
Holy shit, that's fucking outrageous - they were like "we had prior intelligence on this man" :shock:

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#72 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 23, 2005, 10:43:46 pm
well, didnt he come out of a house that was under surveillance and then run away from police, towards and onto a train whilst wearing a big jacket that could well have been hiding something?

I can see why they did shoot him, still 'a tragedy' though.

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#73 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 24, 2005, 09:30:03 am
Must remember to leave the Rab at home next time i'm in London!
 Turns out the guy was Brazillian, not asian as reported first.

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#74 Oh For Fucks Sake
July 24, 2005, 09:35:16 pm
bit of a fuckup it seems - you've got to feel for the family and shit.

think we and the public would do well to keep a hat on the hysteria there;ll probably be in the media about police shooting random people. Problem is in this situation the rozzers may well have been following the rules and protocol to the letter and still cap an innocent G, and to be honest unless they roll over and say they're not going to shoot anyone (i.e. a greenlight to the mentalists to bomb more shit) then we're quite likely to see summert like this again. its like the tragedy is a symptom of the situation we're in. I'd be interested in seeing what the results of the enquiry are, cos if the babylon turned out to be i the wrong then that reet worrying, if they turn out to be doing it by the book then you can't blame them. Imagine being the five-0 that goes to bed one night thinking he done his job and iced a mentalist, get up the next day to find he's potentially murdered an innocent fella.

lets hope no one else has to get capped in pursuit of the real guys.

 

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