[Oldmanmatt]

Pete, I merely pointed out a potentially risky practice, common to both Osteopathy and Chiropractic, namely spinal manipulation or the so called "cracking" of the neck and back.

Tom pointed out that the cited report primarily referred to Chiropractic modalities, to which I replied by noting the similarities in modality compared to the philosophical approach behind them.

(This does not include "cracking" or manipulating other joints or limbs, which I suspect are highly unlikely to cause a stroke or paralysis.)

Both of those issues I, personally, treat with the greatest suspicion.

I find no reason to treat massage in the same light, nor posture exercise or analysis.

If I wanted to further criticise Osteopathy and Chiropractic, I might point out their origins as the unfounded fantasies of two (competing) 19th century laymen, who rode the wave of pseudo science to prominence in that era; became discredited and dropped from medical practice and have recently begun a resurgence, that appears somewhat faddish.

Remember they claim, at the council level, to be able to treat everything from a bad back to Cancer.

I didn't want to get caught into the discussion in detail. Because the manipulation does provide temporary relief of symptoms. Osteopathy is preferable to Chiropractic philosophy, in as much as it slightly less ambitious in it's claims.

If you remove the spinal manipulation and disease curing claims from those methodologies, you end up with physiotherapy.

Practiced by people with less training.

Add that to the potential harm of the manipulation and it seems like something that ought to be much better researched before being allowed to continue.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with massage.

With or without a happy ending.

[tomtom]

Whats your view on Breakfast Matt?

[Oldmanmatt]

Whats your view on Breakfast Matt?

With or without coffee/bacon?

[Sloper]

That's not breakfast.

[a dense loner]

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[Oldmanmatt]

That's not breakfast.

Sadly true at my age.

[tomtom]

Popcorn is an interesting breakfast Dense... sweet or salty?

[Sloper]

you need x2 bodywieght of popcorn 

[petejh]

Bacon is linked to bowel cancer. Back of a fag packet (deadly things) calculation, I'd attribute greater risk of morbidity (and fewer positve effects, unless you own a pig farm) to bacon than to spinal manipulation.

Food industry .... There's a scene for you

[kelvin]

Order more popcorn Dense...

[petejh]

Get unsalted Dense. Too much salt is bad for your blood pressure

[Oldmanmatt]

Get unsalted Dense. Too much salt is bad for your blood pressure

Sugar is the demon food d'jour.

So just plain popcorn, then.

[Sloper]

Get unsalted Dense. Too much salt is bad for your blood pressure

I think that has been debunked.

 

[petejh]

'Being an American' is significantly linked to high blood pressure. I wonder if 'being an argumentative lawyer' (are there any other kinds?) is similarly linked...

[Oldmanmatt]

Get unsalted Dense. Too much salt is bad for your blood pressure

I think that has been debunked.

 

I find it hard to get debunked, in the morning, without the prospect of coffee and bacon...

[webbo]

Matt
What's the bit about if you take the curing disease bit away from Osteopathy you get Physiotherapy practiced by people with less training. Both are degree level training courses.

[Oldmanmatt]

http://www.prospects.ac.uk/osteopath_entry_requirements.htm

http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore-by-career/allied-health-professions/careers-in-the-allied-health-professions/physiotherapist/entry-and-training/

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/prospective-students/undergraduate/degrees/viking-old-norse-studies-ba

As I said before, take an informed decision and follow your own path.
There are a lot of subjects that can be studied to degree level (including Klingon, I believe).

Physios in the UK are require to be registered as health care professionals and to carry out student time in practice, similar to doctors. Holding the degree does not entitle you to practice (I believe they have to be Chartered to move into private (unsupervised) practice?).

So, if you were to remove the disease curing and spinal manipulation aspects of Osteopathy, the fundamentals of the practice; what is left of the degree?

I don't doubt the effort or study required to achieve the degree and if someone believes in it and finds patients of similar bent, then crack away; I'm not Sloper.

It is, unfortunately, with familiar refrain, that I express my opinion of the practice:
Do you know what they call "alternative" medicine which has been proven to work?

Medicine.

If it shed it's pretension to panacea and focused on demonstrable physical therapies, then it would be another school of Physiotherapy.

[tomtom]

Matts had too much sugared popcorn

[tomtom]

Anyway. I hate breakfast. If someone invented a breakfast pill I could take to stop me feeling hungry, grumpy and light headed before lunchtime I'd love it.

In the morning all I want to do is have a cup of coffee, take a shit and get on with the day...

[petejh]

Anyway. I hate breakfast. If someone invented a breakfast pill I could take to stop me feeling hungry, grumpy and light headed before lunchtime I'd love it.

Have you considered seeing an Osteopath? - they can cure all sorts including food cravings.

Anyway back on topic. Do you have a burr or blade grinder and what beans?

 

[Oldmanmatt]

Matts had too much sugared popcorn

I know...

But once you allow yourself to be drawn into these discussions, it's strangely hard to leave.

The heart of the issue is that no-one has enough information to conclusively prove or disprove the point, leaving it subject to emotional bias and anecdotal reference.





Still think I'm right.

(Places thumb on nose and wiggles fingers, whilst poking out tounge)

Nur-de-Nur-de-Nur-Nur.


Of course, I remain prepared to make a full 180 on my current position, should appropriate evidence arise.

[psychomansam]

It is, unfortunately, with familiar refrain, that I express my opinion of the practice:
Do you know what they call "alternative" medicine which has been proven to work?

Medicine.

If it shed it's pretension to panacea and focused on demonstrable physical therapies, then it would be another school of Physiotherapy.

[Sloper]

Matts had too much sugared popcorn

I know...

But once you allow yourself to be drawn into these discussions, it's strangely hard to leave.

The heart of the issue is that no-one has enough information to conclusively prove or disprove the point, leaving it subject to emotional bias and anecdotal reference.





Still think I'm right.

(Places thumb on nose and wiggles fingers, whilst poking out tounge)

Nur-de-Nur-de-Nur-Nur.


Of course, I remain prepared to make a full 180 on my current position, should appropriate evidence arise.

Reflexology then?

[Jim]

sweet or salty?

Sweet and salty is best

[Oldmanmatt]

Reflexology then?

Knee jerk?