Quote from: Duma on July 17, 2012, 07:45:12 amQuote from: TobyD on July 16, 2012, 11:58:37 pmrunning will do little other than allow you to eat more cakes and maintain an acceptable body fat percentage.Surely this is more than enough reason?Exactly!
Quote from: TobyD on July 16, 2012, 11:58:37 pmrunning will do little other than allow you to eat more cakes and maintain an acceptable body fat percentage.Surely this is more than enough reason?
running will do little other than allow you to eat more cakes and maintain an acceptable body fat percentage.
Quote from: Stubbs on July 17, 2012, 08:19:03 amQuote from: Duma on July 17, 2012, 07:45:12 amQuote from: TobyD on July 16, 2012, 11:58:37 pmrunning will do little other than allow you to eat more cakes and maintain an acceptable body fat percentage.Surely this is more than enough reason?Exactly! Sure, go for it!It just doesn't make sense to me and boils down to Serpicos original point on calories (probably earlier on in this thread).There was an interesting study Stu had linked to somewhere regarding willpower being finite. I can't find it now. It involved chocolate.
Quote from: Sasquatch on July 19, 2012, 06:23:05 pmPersonally, I've found that HIIT type training makes me REALLY hungry. To the point where I don't have enough self-control to not eat significantly, and I'll be really hungry all day. Sorry to be flippant but that's like discussing the best way to do strength training and saying my preference is to do it this less effective way because I can't be arsed/haven't the self-discipline to try hard. We might as well all go out and just enjoy ourselves is the case!
Personally, I've found that HIIT type training makes me REALLY hungry. To the point where I don't have enough self-control to not eat significantly, and I'll be really hungry all day.
The study recruited 14 active male students who were, at best moderately trained (VO2 max was roughly 50 ml/kg/min which is average at best; elite endurance athletes have values in the 70-80 range)
The original Tabata study (not the one I referenced) used 'athletes', sorry I can't qualify that further Sheffield University doesn't seem to have access. If you're going down the holistic line then consider the time savings and where that could be best invested?
Quote from: Pantontino on July 18, 2012, 01:24:50 pmThis year I haven't run at all, instead I just made sure there was no wine or beer in the house during the week. I lost a stone in less than two monthsI fear this is my cure as well
This year I haven't run at all, instead I just made sure there was no wine or beer in the house during the week. I lost a stone in less than two months
Edit: This link picks the original study apart a bit: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/effects-of-moderate-intensity-endurance-and-high-intensity-intermittent-training-on-anaerobic-capacity-and-vo2-max.html
Has anyone done any measurements of the power outputs people achieve when they do these alternative Tabatas? I値l use round numbers and take a guess. A 100 kg person weighs about 1000 Newtons and if he raises his center of gravity by .6 meters (2 feet) in one second that would be 600 Joules in one second, or 600 watts. If we only want 500 watts, he壇 have to do it about 17 times in the 20 seconds. I知 also not sure if 2 feet (my 0.6 meters) is a good guess for the distance his center of gravity moves. If my 0.6 meters is right, then someone needs to do around 15-20 bodyweight squats in 20 seconds to do the Tabata protocol.
off topic I know, but this comment interested meQuoteHas anyone done any measurements of the power outputs people achieve when they do these alternative Tabatas? I値l use round numbers and take a guess. A 100 kg person weighs about 1000 Newtons and if he raises his center of gravity by .6 meters (2 feet) in one second that would be 600 Joules in one second, or 600 watts. If we only want 500 watts, he壇 have to do it about 17 times in the 20 seconds. I知 also not sure if 2 feet (my 0.6 meters) is a good guess for the distance his center of gravity moves. If my 0.6 meters is right, then someone needs to do around 15-20 bodyweight squats in 20 seconds to do the Tabata protocol.
. A 100 kg person weighs about 1000 Newtons...
if he raises his centre of gravity by .6 meters (2 feet) in one second that would be 600 Joules in one second, or 600 watts. If we only want 500 watts, he壇 have to do it about 17 times in the 20 seconds. I知 also not sure if 2 feet (my 0.6 meters) is a good guess for the distance his center of gravity moves.If my 0.6 meters is right, then someone needs to do around 15-20 bodyweight squats in 20 seconds to do the Tabata protocol.
I haven't followed that link back to the original articles but a couple of things stand out from the quote:Quote. A 100 kg person weighs about 1000 Newtons... A 100kg person weighs 100kg, a Newton is a unit of force. If they stand up at a moderate speed then they'll exert ~1000N of force to do so, if they stand up quickly they exert more force. Standing up very quickly is also called 'jumping' because your feet tend to leave the floor...
In scientific contexts, mass refers loosely to the amount of "matter" in an object (though "matter" may be difficult to define), whereas weight refers to the force experienced by an object due to gravity.[1] In other words, an object with a mass of 1.0 kilograms will weigh 9.8 newtons (newton is the unit of force, while kilogram is the unit of mass) on Earth (its mass multiplied by the gravitational field strength).Its weight will be less on Mars (where gravity is weaker), more on Saturn, and negligible in space when far from any significant source of gravity, but it will always have the same mass.
Remembering that this is UKBouldering - I reckon most people on here are thinking along the lines of either bouldering, sport or short trad. Yeah, there's people who do longer stuff but even then, aerobic fitness, while useful, probably won't be the limiting factor!Obviously, if your intentions are to be the next Ueli Steck then aerobic fitness is much more likely to be the limiting factor!
Remembering that this is UKBouldering
as there is no benefit to climbing endurance from increasing your cardio fitness.
I think most people on here are more concerned with the definition of climbing endurance that applies to bouldering/sport/short trad which is more local muscular endurance. Whether or not running affects this aspect is, well, what this thread is all about!