I rest my case.
Seems fucking retarded all Macleod's running earlier in the day before training.
Not all the training they do will be productive (if Jerry knew then what we know now he would have climbed 9a+)
From a personal perspective a holistic top down type approach is better where you attempt to get a framework of how improvements work and align and commit to a training approach that suits your strengths weaknesses and goals rather than randomnly picking bits of anecdotes and information and cobble your training around that.Sorry.
I'm interested in the effect of running on strength gains though. While not training for climbing (at the moment) I have been lifting quite a lot of iron recently, and was finishing quite a few sessions with a 30min treadmill run. (Would prefer the road, but small child can't hack the distance.) Sounds like the two are counter-productive. Today I did the run before work, and will train solely strength tonight. Assuming that will be much more effective...
I wouldn't run on the same day as climbing though:Extensive research shows that training multiple qualities, such as strength and endurance, within the same workout diminishes the development of either quality. My favorite: one study showed that simply adding 10 minutes of hard-paced running at the end of a strength session resulted in an almost 20% sacrifice in gains. From Steve Bechtel's Blog.
Steadystate cardio is fairly catabolic is it not? High intensity interval training is potentially a better way of targetting fat loss rather than general "weight"?
This year I haven't run at all, instead I just made sure there was no wine or beer in the house during the week. I lost a stone in less than two months
Quote from: Paul B on July 19, 2012, 01:36:23 amSteadystate cardio is fairly catabolic is it not? High intensity interval training is potentially a better way of targetting fat loss rather than general "weight"?This is in the Racing Weight book. I can't remember, though, how precisely they speak about fat loss or weight loss. From my youth days I can remember all the bodybuilders in the gym doing light cardio to lose fat. Gentle jogging at roughly double of resting heart rate. Long jogs. I think that the HIIT is a lot more catabolic especially regarding muscle mass, which, for a runner, isn't an issue.
Quote from: Pantontino on July 18, 2012, 01:24:50 pmThis year I haven't run at all, instead I just made sure there was no wine or beer in the house during the week. I lost a stone in less than two monthsI fear this is my cure as well
I think that the HIIT is a lot more catabolic especially regarding muscle mass, which, for a runner, isn't an issue.
Long aerobic workouts have been promoted as the best method to reduce fat, as fatty acid utilization usually occurs after at least 30 minutes of training. HIIT is somewhat counterintuitive in this regard, but has nonetheless been shown to burn fat more effective!
regarding muscle catabolism? Because I really don't know, it was only my idea.
For several years I ran/swam/cycled for 30 to 60 minutes a few times a week and maintained the same weight. I entered a marathon and was running three times a week, one long run (up to 17 miles) one session of hill sprints and one gentle 30 minute run. I didn't lose a lot of weight, maybe only half a stone but my body noticeably changed shape and got slimmer.
Oh yeah - that's the other thing! Running causes an increase in bone density too...
So: regarding fat loss, HIIT is more effective than long aerobic workouts;
Quote from: Nibile on July 19, 2012, 03:28:44 pm So: regarding fat loss, HIIT is more effective than long aerobic workouts; That's assuming you have the self-control
Quote from: Yossarian on July 19, 2012, 05:08:20 pmOh yeah - that's the other thing! Running causes an increase in bone density too...is this mainly in the legs? Improving the bone density of my twiglets seems like the best argument for running I've ever seen (this won't apply to most people).
Personally, I've found that HIIT type training makes me REALLY hungry. To the point where I don't have enough self-control to not eat significantly, and I'll be really hungry all day.
Sorry to be flippant but that's like discussing the best way to do strength training and saying my preference is to do it this less effective way because I can't be arsed/haven't the self-discipline to try hard. We might as well all go out and just enjoy ourselves is the case!