I hope I wont get flamed for posting on this, but its an issue thats been burning up inside me, and I feel the need to extinquish my angst. I think we should fire those involved, or give them a good licking as anyone else trying a damaged Zoo York would be gutted. In furnace though we should give them a chance to say their side, before we douse their arguments of what is clearly a highly flamable situation. They may be emberassed by it all... sorry. serious topic n'all, couldnt resist...
Quote from: tomtom on January 31, 2012, 01:39:33 pmI hope I wont get flamed for posting on this, but its an issue thats been burning up inside me, and I feel the need to extinquish my angst. I think we should fire those involved, or give them a good licking as anyone else trying a damaged Zoo York would be gutted. In furnace though we should give them a chance to say their side, before we douse their arguments of what is clearly a highly flamable situation. They may be emberassed by it all... sorry. serious topic n'all, couldnt resist...I can see you're incandescent with rage.
Quote from: TonyS on January 30, 2012, 10:18:23 pmon the limePedant Chemist posting....Limestone - Mostly Calcium CarbonateWhen heated strongly Calcium Carbonate decomposes endothermically to give Calcium Oxide and Carbon Dioxide (an entropically driven reaction if anyone cares)CaCO3(s) -> CaO(s) + CO2(g)Whilst the Calcium Oxide produced is solid it will lack any real macro structure and just crumbleOk this only occurs above about 850 degs C but blow torches are getting more and more efficient so....is it worth risking - NO
on the lime
And didn't the pocket on revelations break cos of blowtorching?
Think the route cause is that climbing is a sport dominated by competitive (selfish?) driven young men who will do anything to get a tick.
Whilst blow torching is probably at one end of the bad spectrum and reasonably rare these days it's no different to people climbing in the county or font after rain and often snapping holds
Same as climbing in anything but rock shoes, it's just not good for the rock climbing in clumpy approach shoes that break holds, slip taking off the surface etc etc
I'd be interested to hear what peoples thoughts on comfortising holds are. By this I mean not improving them but perhaps taking a really sharp edge off a massive jug?
just dont do anything that will damage the rock. Its simple really...
to say they are on a totally different scale just dodges the point that they can all cause equal amounts of damage.
Quote from: tomtom on February 01, 2012, 08:56:57 pmjust dont do anything that will damage the rock. Its simple really...What, like climbing on it.
But - to add something to your points about lime, the peak lime (and other places like the Cave) have holds that are wobbly, loose and places where chunks/holds fall off. Maybe the more 'temporary' nature of some limestone (though not all - esp not the water crafted features) makes it seem 'less of a crime' to alter....