They aren’t long enough or steep enough for it to be a major faff equipping them.
It’s also a pain for other climbers
There's a few that are long though.. Genuine question - are there any known issues with leaving draws in at Malham?
Basically a good rule of thumb might be that if Joe Public can see'em and/or there's an access problem then they should be taken out. Simples. I really don't see the hardship in having to strip'em, whatever the grade or angle.
Oh fuck it, it's been at least a week since I upset someone on here and it's Friday afternoon, so...Over the years there have been many conflicts with landowners in Yorkshire over access to crags - Kilnsey, Blue and Yew all spring to mind. The same applies to many other areas of the country. Part of the issue was, and undoubtedly still is, the unsightly tat, ropes and even pots and pans that used to be left on crags before we had so many bolts. A proliferation of leaving gear in place is essentially a return to those days. Landowners, walkers and passers by in general don't like to see a whole load of fixed gear on crags. We are lucky enough to have access to and be able to bolt these places. Is it really so hard to respect the actual or potential wishes of others and remove gear after your day on the crag if it then avoids conflict and maintains access? There really is no excuse these days when it's so easy to get the kit back in. And if you've got one of those silly little Beta sticks go to Decathlon and buy a 6m Roach pole instead - you only need to clip every third bolt!Take your crap out of the routes and take the rest of your crap (finger tape, bog roll etc) home with you at the same time. It doesn't matter what crag you're on the same principle of leaving it in as pristine condition as possible should surely apply?Have a good weekend stick clipping...
From memory so please excuse any errors.Draws in at Kilnsey on Saturday morning 2nd of June...EcstasyEnd of the day and a couple of walkers stroll up the path to have a look. Their entirely amicable first comment "There is a helluva a lot of fixed gear up there".You bet there is.
Quote from: ed brown on July 11, 2011, 06:57:25 pmFrom memory so please excuse any errors.Draws in at Kilnsey on Saturday morning 2nd of June...EcstasyEnd of the day and a couple of walkers stroll up the path to have a look. Their entirely amicable first comment "There is a helluva a lot of fixed gear up there".You bet there is.All other issues aside, those draws in Ecstasy have been put in with fixed Maillon's too.... not good form seen as the route gets and stays wet for so long and they weren't even new in the first place!! I'd suggest anyone on it any time soon strips them.....That does sound like a ridiculous number of routes equipped. Maybe time to for a cease fire?
Quote from: north_country_boy on July 11, 2011, 07:33:12 pmQuote from: ed brown on July 11, 2011, 06:57:25 pmFrom memory so please excuse any errors.Draws in at Kilnsey on Saturday morning 2nd of June...End of the day and a couple of walkers stroll up the path to have a look. Their entirely amicable first comment "There is a helluva a lot of fixed gear up there".You bet there is.That does sound like a ridiculous number of routes equipped. Maybe time to for a cease fire?And the ones on Urgent low down? The one that has been in for years high up? All maillons. No one seemed to complain about that one when stripping the thumb/Urgent. Not saying one way or another here if its right or wrong. Just throwing in some factual info.
Quote from: ed brown on July 11, 2011, 06:57:25 pmFrom memory so please excuse any errors.Draws in at Kilnsey on Saturday morning 2nd of June...End of the day and a couple of walkers stroll up the path to have a look. Their entirely amicable first comment "There is a helluva a lot of fixed gear up there".You bet there is.That does sound like a ridiculous number of routes equipped. Maybe time to for a cease fire?
From memory so please excuse any errors.Draws in at Kilnsey on Saturday morning 2nd of June...End of the day and a couple of walkers stroll up the path to have a look. Their entirely amicable first comment "There is a helluva a lot of fixed gear up there".You bet there is.
I'm a climber - not a landowner, walker or passer by and I find permadraws visually offensive.I do wish people would start thinking from within and for our community - far too much selfishness doing the rounds at the moment.
Fuckin hell there are train tunnels running through Chee Dale. We are talking a bit of tat on a rock. Rocks - people make houses and train tunnels out of them.
Ah, the usual ukb affected righteous indignation! what a load of The biners in monumental, roof warrior, r&p, jug jockey etc etc are just as unsightly as in situ draws, but nobody is going to take them out because its a pain in the arse. There's little difference from an access point of view.