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shootin' the shit / Re: UK General Election 2024
« Last post by mrjonathanr on Yesterday at 10:18:55 pm »
I see from your response you’re comfortable with that language.

Regarding the book. I won’t be buying it.

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shootin' the shit / Re: UK General Election 2024
« Last post by ToxicBilberry on Yesterday at 10:15:54 pm »
I had a look into the term ‘useless eater’.

This Lest We Forget: Eradicating the 'Useless Eaters' in the Third Reich from  http://worldofinclusion.com/about/ goes into some detail about the origins of the term in the context of the Nazis’ development of euthanasia for the disabled and subsequently, the Holocaust.

I can’t vouch for the accuracy of the document, but the site’s purpose as an educational charity to promote inclusion and the reference to the writer Richard Rieser on the Special Needs Jungle site https://www.specialneedsjungle.com/disability-equality-act-send-review/ give it some credibility.

Nazi terminology should not be in use on this site imo. Ironic usage is no defence.  :no:

Well a version of that term has been adopted by a popular author of the progressive left, much to the amusement of his audience. Maybe you should burn your copy of Homo Sapiens?

https://youtu.be/IU-6YCXj6j4?feature=shared
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shootin' the shit / Re: UK General Election 2024
« Last post by mrjonathanr on Yesterday at 10:01:55 pm »
I had a look into the term ‘useless eater’.

This Lest We Forget: Eradicating the 'Useless Eaters' in the Third Reich from  http://worldofinclusion.com/about/ goes into some detail about the origins of the term in the context of the Nazis’ development of euthanasia for the disabled and subsequently, the Holocaust.

I can’t vouch for the accuracy of the document, but the site’s purpose as an educational charity to promote inclusion and the reference to the writer Richard Rieser on the Special Needs Jungle site https://www.specialneedsjungle.com/disability-equality-act-send-review/ give it some credibility.

Nazi terminology should not be in use on this site imo. Ironic usage is no defence.  :no:
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That's his pisstake of the lattice edge, not whatever he sells/uses. Not actually sure what his real edge looks like, but I assume it's something like this

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shootin' the shit / Re: UK General Election 2024
« Last post by stone on Yesterday at 09:52:01 pm »
"Labeled" is what it is.
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shootin' the shit / Re: UK General Election 2024
« Last post by ToxicBilberry on Yesterday at 09:40:45 pm »
C’mon Stone, don’t crank it into reverse now. You’ve already been labelled as having an ‘authoritarian’ streak. All this beige centre left nonsense won’t get us closer to a utopia. 
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I've scanned down Tyler Nelson's IG and can't find his version of an ergo edge. Can anyone link it please?

Interested to see what Lattice supposedly copied.

I assume it is this.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7RoSIrpCLR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

 :shrug:
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shootin' the shit / Re: UK General Election 2024
« Last post by stone on Yesterday at 09:31:20 pm »
Just to clarify, I'd merely like something like Labour's GE2017 manifesto to be their manifesto (I guess I should say "our" manifesto since I'm still a member).

Starmer said that GE2017 manifesto ought to be "Labour's foundational document" when he was running for Labour leader in 2020. All that manifesto would be doing would be introducing some trade union rights that work well in Nordic countries such as sectorial collective bargaining; adequately funding basic public services; having normal European tax levels for the very wealthy; and not just playing lip service to our climate commitments.

My understanding is the reason why we aren't able to vote for that is far from being because that wouldn't be popular. In 2017, Labour increased their vote massively (not enough though). That caused huge consternation and a very determined effort to stop that close shave from being built upon. The 2019 election was essentially just a rerun of the 2016 Brexit referendum but on a FPTP basis and gave the result that would always give.  Keir became Labour leader by lying. He has put people in all the key positions from a wing of the Party who didn't get a look in even in the 2015 leadership election let alone 2020.

If the Tories had no anxiety about Corbyn type policies, then why do they talk in such glowing terms about how Boris defeated Corbyn? Surely it should have been a non-event walk over since no-one would vote for that anyway.

The manoeuvring that has gone on to create "changed Labour" since 2020 has been extraordinary. Mass suspensions of constituency delegates the week before Labour conferences where there were votes that changed the rules on things such as member representation. The new set of parliamentary candidates have been extremely tightly controlled by the "changed" central party. There used to be a route by which trade unionists were mentored and supported to become parliamentary candidates (that's how Angela Rayner became an MP). No one on that system was selected this time.
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shootin' the shit / Re: UK General Election 2024
« Last post by mrjonathanr on Yesterday at 09:23:31 pm »
I used it in a pejorative manner to highlight  being one of the ‘useless people’  in this particular technocratic vision.

You use it because you’re unpleasant Dan.
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shootin' the shit / Re: UK General Election 2024
« Last post by ToxicBilberry on Yesterday at 09:16:09 pm »
A version of the term was re-popularised by Yuval Noah Harari the best selling author who describes a future in which he envisions technological advances creating lots of ‘useless people’ whom he suggests will need to be entertained. However he does not predict food will be a problem - possibly due to technological advances in production of  alternative protein sources etc. There are several interviews available in which he describes this vision of one possible future. I used it in a pejorative manner to highlight  being one of the ‘useless people’  in this particular technocratic vision. From a personal perspective I recently enjoyed G K Chesterton’s critique of Eugenics and feel very strongly about the sacredness of human life from a deontological non utilitarian perspective.
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