Andi - Not to slight your rules but i'll be continuing to judge each case on an individual basis.
Another nail in the coffin for the forum of discussion, as after all this ranting nothing has changed
this stupid 4 page thread.
The Eagle Tor thread shows it doesn't make one bit of difference what we think if Freda at The Farm comes to the conclusion we don't have respect.
I would like to know which particular patio offended you Andi and caused this stupid 4 page thread.
I understand, I just think its unrealistic. Unfortunately when you get down to it the real world is all made up of little bits here and there.Plus, as I keep saying, I've seen far too many trashed landings recently. I keep starting to type that perhaps you/ Staffs has escaped this, then I remember the lower tier. How much has the pocket slab landing changed since you first climbed it? What's going to happen to it in another ten years? Basically I think a blanket policy of inaction is for ostriches. Change is the natural state of things, sometimes you have to usher it in the right direction.
Quote from: AndiT on February 28, 2007, 09:42:19 amAnother nail in the coffin for the forum of discussion, as after all this ranting nothing has changedNot so.
also v. surprised that no-one's mentioned the trackside boulder and the wood chips there by - I was lead to believe this was universally applauded when it happened (personally I think it's great, buy surely it's artifical patioing at it's worst if you disapprove.....
It would make a big difference to many of the great slab routes if the landings were cleared for example, this is my fear.
the trackside boulder and the wood chips there by - I was lead to believe this was universally applauded when it happened
is this patioing mainly to accomodate pads? Back in the Old DaysTM, when there were no pads, people used to be able to land catlike on all manner of irregular surfaces.
Now pads are pretty ineffective on said irregular surfaces because you can still go down gaps etc. Are purpose-built patios pandering to people poorly practiced in pouncing from precipices?
I haven't seen any change in general landing ability.
i have to agree with ben.
Most bad landings I can think of are mainly caused by bedrock or large embedded boulders which are well beyoond the scope of patioing
this really isn't about the emasculation of classic bold climbs, it never has been and I don't see it leading to it.
quite word with the madness that's king Andy
pontificating from imagination
QuoteIt would make a big difference to many of the great slab routes if the landings were cleared for example, this is my fear. I can't think of a single example where this applies. Which are you thinking of? Do you mean Froggatt's Great Slab routes or just 'those slab routes which are well weapon'?
There is still at least one less E5 in the world thanks to Patio-ing. If it was just a matter of kicking a few ugly quarried pebbles out of the way the FA would have done it. The fact is, you got your back into it and changed a E grade worthy route into a Fb grade worthy problem, because you wanted to and you saw it as right. I don't.
BTW there are no pebbles under Danny's, they've been removed over the course of years of people cleaning away the landing and pulling out the little loose blocks. Well now you've paid the ultimate price and had limestone brought to the crucible of British grit.
Say 'Pontificating' one more time, I dare you
What would you do say, with the whole of Wharncliffe? Eh? EH?!
And I presume there were no sheep being hemmed in by that dry stone wall at Moorside.
Am I allowed to fall off it without pads is that good enough?
Well myself and somebody's fool did a bit of work here rebuilding the landing today. I'm not a great fan of crag patios but I'm quite pleased with the job we managed to do. The death block has been rolled to the left, a little infilling has left a nice landing. It could be a bit deeper, but I'd be happy to try it on my own with one pad now.i was put off trying this cos it looked like the landing could leave you quadraspazzed on a life-glug. will be keen to get on it now. As already said before it is still E5 without pads
Are you suggesting....scratch that, your guidelines DO suggest that small boulders exposed by erosion under Danny's prob should be left in place, ludicrous!
Pontificating
Yeah. You keep taking them out and the ground will get lower, fact.