[SA Chris]

Matthew 7:6 (King James Version):

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet.

[Houdini]

So great a name.  Better than Maginot Line.

[saltbeef]

Along the same lines, I banged my elbow at work last night quiet hard. This caused my little finger to curl up like a spastic sort of claw hand and I had really painfull burning pins and needles for 5 mins. It still hurts a bit now with sporadic pins and needles (not burning now tho)
I'll give it a couple of days and see if it eases off if not looks like a trip to the quack's

jim it should be fine.
adam hit the doctors. before thbe weekend. nerves are eashy to fuck, and have a habit of not growing back onc fucked...

[Jim]

cheers beefus, its fine now. only lasted 2 days. was a bit worried at the time tho cos it fuckin hurt.
also thought it would be another addition to the long line of permanent injuries I seem to be carrying around with me

[Plattsy]

Hey JB how did this turn out? Osteo sort it?

Started with the pins n needles at night thing quite a while ago and put it down to sleeping on them. Though I often get them sleeping like a stiff in a casket (hands folded across my stomach). Had the odd bit of whiplash over the years too... car accident, snowboarding etc.

[Johnny Brown]

Bloody hell, I'd forgotten all about this. I can't remember, but I won't have been to a doctor. Possibly a physio...

The main thing was, I stopped sleeping in the Dracula position. Its still natural for me to sleep on my back with my hands crossed over my sternum. If I do it, my arms go dead, though I haven't had it get as bad as pins and needles for a long time. I'm now in the habit of crossing them on my belly. I can't really sleep on my side as my shoulders are too broad - I immediately need a pillow three times as thick - and if I sleep on my front I end up folding one arm up which then goes dead.

A few years of yoga seem to have sorted my back out. It isn't fixed, but it is manageable. I get spells of sciatica, and occasional spasms that can last a few days. I need to get back into the yoga though, not really done any since Zaff emigrated, and I can feel things stiffening up.

Weirdly, I did have a spell of pins and needles/ numbness in my little toes recently. It seems to have gone away, though a quick google did give a brief moment of panic that the diabetes my Mum warned me about had finally caught me...

[Oldmanmatt]

Right, don't laugh...
Used to get this a lot.
And had a chronic bad back/sciatica.
The back was mainly sorted with exercise (strength training as well as stretching).
The other tack, that sort the hand problem (and I'd wake up with two dead arms and be completely stuck, requiring mrs OMM to rescue me..).
We bought the Long pillows (find them in the betterware catalogue), on the recommendation of a physio.
Now I sleep on my side, parallel to the pillow, one arm under, one arm and a leg over (cuddling it, basically (I said don't laugh, no, stop it)).
Never wake up with back or arm problems and sleep much better.
Look like a right knob, but...

[Oldmanmatt]

Oh yeah,
I have the same problem as Johnny, with the shoulders.
So it's two thick pillows under my head.

[rodma]

I had this in the summer and it turned out to be from a combo of tension (muscle that is) and sleeping on my face (so I was using my arms to stop my nose being squished and my neck bending backwards). Osteo sorted me out and told me to by mrs rodma some earplugs so i could sleep on my back.

I do have to stretch my biceps out a lot though to prevent this from recurring.

[Plattsy]

Thanks for update JB and et al. I'm gonna see how sleeping differently affects it.

[hongkongstuey]

have been getting this a bunch myself lately - completely numb fingers in my right hand (everything except little finger basically), mostly when i sleep but intermittently during the day too.

diagnosis from the doc (these are a bit crap in HK by the way) was possible CTS with typical Hong Kong approach to dealing with things - pop these pills and see if the inflammation goes away. he also said something about not doing things like climbing and balancing on my hands in yoga for a while... fat chance of either of those happening

diagnosis from Laurent Jacob (of Buoux fame but now resident in HK and quite handily, a doctor too...) was a probable trapped nerve in my neck, too much tension in the shoulders and something to do with needing to flush my liver and then visit an osteo

[Huffy]

Just in the interests of anyone reading this thread and whos been training harder than normal and suffering from symptoms suggesting nerve entrapment CTS is pretty an unlikely diagnosis and that median nerve entrapment far mor likely to involve pronator teres/Biceps/brachial plexus/1st rib/spine. I know what a load of worry warts we climbers can be (i was pretty bad when training alot) so thought it was worth mentioning.

p.s. i love you saltbeef!

[Plattsy]

Been doing lots of bicep/forearm stretches over the last few days. Also trying improve my posture too. Also starting the day with a couple of sun salutations, which are woeful at best. Tried a few different things whilst sleeping. The double pillow on my side seems better, i think. I've noticed some improvement but I haven't climbed for the last few days either. Out today so tonight's sleep might be interesting.
I've booked to see an osteopath tomorrow. Not sure about it but I'm keen to hear what they say/what they do especially about my neck/upper back/forearm/hand tingle shizzle.
@Huffy Pronator teres syndrome sounds very likely as my forearms and hands get the pins n needles.
Isn't internet self diagnosis brilliant.

[Falling Down]

We bought the Long pillows (find them in the betterware catalogue), on the recommendation of a physio.
Now I sleep on my side, parallel to the pillow, one arm under, one arm and a leg over (cuddling it, basically (I said don't laugh, no, stop it)).

These are great.  They've had them on the boat we've used on our last two surfing trips and I've thought about buying some for home.  If you have two, you can put one behind you to stop you rolling onto your back and snoring.  I always have a really good nights sleep using them.