you can also do this using streambox this program directly copies the stream so you don't need to worry about other audio interferring. It also comes with a ripper program that you can use to convert the real audio to mp3 or wav.the only slightly tricky thing with this is that you have to look at the bbc webpages source to find a stream URL's but it becomes much easier once you've done it a couple of times and know what you are looking for but there is a little tutorial on doing this at http://p069.ezboard.com/fstreemeboxv...picID=78.topicIf you have realplayer 10 installed you will need to follow the instructions here to get it to workthere is a help forum at http://p069.ezboard.com/bstreemeboxvcr for help/