[Bubba]

banning him was a bit harsh Bubba, after all, he's mostly on the ball about english sporting performances....

His first post was designed to be offensive.

English sporting performance has nothing to do with bouldering grades in Oz.

I can't be bothered allowing dickheads to post here.

[tommytwotone]

hey, at least we ain't got no phat drugs cheats in our test side...

[a dense loner]

You're obviously known for being a harsh grader

can i point out that bonjoy is not a harsh grader. i need to know why people think he is

[Fingers of a Martyr]

Put it this way I come from Sheffield which has a very large climbing scene, very good climbing walls, lots of home cellars and is surrounded by rock and still I only know a very few climbers capable of V10 or above. Sydney has a small climbing scene, reasonable walls, much less rock and yet V10 and above seems to be the norm for the average fairly hard working boulderer. Either there's steroids in the water system or the grades are Swiss :wink: .

lol, your logic seems to have been proved wrong in just about every sport us aussies put our hand to.  Whats the sporting population of england compared to australia??  Yet somehow we still manage to put you to shame in every sporting activity, even your beloved soccer.

shut the fuck up. how on earth can you even begin to claim there is a similarity between 'soccer' (by the way it's called football pal) and any other team sports and climbing? jesus christ  :roll:

and quite frankly i hardly think you put us to shame at climbing. when the fuck did an aussie ever win a round of the world bouldering championships? and when did an aussie ever put something hard up in his own country never mind sum1 elses? from what i recall it took fred nicole and dai to come over and do anything groundbreaking in skippyland. :roll:

[Carnage]

My god, what have I started..............I got to bed and look what happens  

Fingers - Have you ever heard of Garth Miller?

Mitch & Dense - The winky wasn't that Bonjoy is generally a harsh grader at all. Its just that I've heard his views on Oz grades before and knew what to expect.  :D

I wasn't trying to start some big fight, I was just interested. Besides, if we're thinking about getting a new Sydney Guide together (the other being riddled with inaccuracies) its always good to get some outside input.

[duncan_macinnis]

Honestly, who gives a fuck about the grades?  Unless you climb solely for the gratification of having a good 8a.nu scorecard, does it really matter if stuff is soft for the grade?  

Bottom line is, its a good video, and (judging from the very small amount of it I can do) a good problem.  Call it VB if it makes you feel better.

[SA Chris]

I do. It's not anything to do with gratification (I do that in the comfort of my own bedroom). Most climbers put some value to grades, ranging from mild interest to rabid passion. They are a yardstick by with which to measure your own ability.

I reckon any climber who says they have no interest in grades whatsoever is talking shit.

[a dense loner]

fingers-that was a bit harsh too. it's no good getting into a slanging match across the pond. there are some very talented climbers over there, and some like the rest of us mortals.
when we say people like fred n dai have gone over n sent there hardest probs, we often forget that what has actually happened is joe public has been trying it for 2 years, got the beta figured out etc, then shows visiting wad, who just so happens to be that bit better who then sends, with the help of joe public. no man is an island. i love about a boy.
no argument about any amount of people climbin together holds water, some people love to train n climb alone, n climb much harder this way. of course it then becomes easier to doubt such people

[Carnage]

Thats true Dense,

And these big guns are all you often hear about in the media. There are plenty of strong boys here and home grown 'up' problems that are much less repeated which would suggest that they contain harder individual moves than those HMC link ups.

[cofe]

no man is an island. i love about a boy.

i'm ibiza.

[a dense loner]

bearing in mind tho, them HMC link-ups are for homs.

i would like to be phi phi

[a dense loner]

ps. only cos i can't do more than 3 moves on a roof