This is why I pedantically corrected his language; I completely agree and I'm not suggesting it will or should just that people (myself included) can be complete morons at times.
Until we can all mix freely as we could before March it’s going to lead to a load of awkward situations at crags (with climbers and non climbers) if the law/interpretation is relaxed...
Quote from: gme on April 20, 2020, 02:51:12 pmSo we are looking at ways that we could get out climbing again and you think that someone would actually lie that they were at a crag to stop others going? Do you think climbers are actually that low?Yes, totally. I think just have the rule of "if you'd be within X metres of others then go elsewhere". Although obviously I'd still get up at 5am to get to the crag first "to stop others going"... if that makes me a bad person then I'll pray for forgiveness between attempts.
So we are looking at ways that we could get out climbing again and you think that someone would actually lie that they were at a crag to stop others going? Do you think climbers are actually that low?
Almost all of the discussion around this topic (that of leaving home for exercise) has been self-centred. People wondering what it means for them and demanding that others do the same. We've seen that in the climbing discussion where folk like Jim have taken the position that if he can't go climbing then nobody else should be allowed (I'm paraphrasing a bit, I know), and others have very begrudgingly and very disdainfully taken the view that "if you can't control yourself then fill your boots at walking-distance-from-your-house lowball Windy Choss Clough" (paraphrasing again) - i.e. recognising that there's no harm but making it clear that they think you're a tool for even considering it - because this is a time for national suffering and everyone should suffer as much as possible goddammit.We're chastising people for making short car journeys to exercise, but what if you're a vulnerable person who has to get out to walk the dog and doesn't have a big back garden? Why not make that short drive to nearby countryside so that you can exercise in the lowest-risk environment possible. If these allowances are to be made, it should be the most at risk who are allowed to take advantage of them first.You lot are only all worried because for you, climbing takes place at Malham or not at all. For y'all and the other 90% of climbers who would rather not climb than visit Sypeland, I wish you the very best of luck.
For the avoidance of all doubt, I think if you can walk to climbing that has no access issues and is pretty quiet then I would crack on. From memory I think I'm on the same page as Stu on that point. If we take a hypothetical person who can walk to a popular crag with access concerns, then no, I don't think they should climb. Others think differently. As we've discussed in another thread, I also think there is a community/solidarity aspect to this, which you disagree with. To a certain extent that is informing my opinion that for the greater good we should all suck it up for now so we can all enjoy it again down the line. I am pretty confident that I would think this even if I lived within walking distance of a crag, popular or not.
I think the previous discussion was more interesting about climbing in (hopefully ) a few weeks...
If you are a vulnerable person, you have been told(advised?) to stay in your house for the next 9 weeks anyway and shouldn't be walking your dog.
Yeah, needless self-flagellation as an act of solidarity is a poor argument IMO.
I don’t want to discuss the old topic anymore. In my mind we are all pretty much in agreement and 99% of climbers are now not climbing. We need to turn the whole subject in to one of how we can get back outside as soon as possible and get our official body to support and push those ideas forward.
Quote from: gme on April 20, 2020, 05:40:04 pmI don’t want to discuss the old topic anymore. In my mind we are all pretty much in agreement and 99% of climbers are now not climbing. We need to turn the whole subject in to one of how we can get back outside as soon as possible and get our official body to support and push those ideas forward.Climbing is allowed again in Austria now, so long as you are with people from your household and maintain sensible distance from other people. As I understand it, the government asked sports associations to draw up guidelines for a gradual return to normal practice.https://www.bergsteigen.com/news/neuigkeiten/klettern-klettersteiggehen-und-auf-skitouren-waehrend-der-corona-krise/I guess the UK is a few weeks or a month behind Austria, so hopefully not too long to wait now.
From the look of the ft data the UK is about a week behind Austria, but I suppose it all depends how that week goes and how willing the government is to relax things. For the first time in a while I am positive about things, admissions are dropping and deaths are beginning to decline.
Quote from: tim palmer on April 20, 2020, 08:49:02 pmFrom the look of the ft data the UK is about a week behind Austria, but I suppose it all depends how that week goes and how willing the government is to relax things. For the first time in a while I am positive about things, admissions are dropping and deaths are beginning to decline.Yesterday we had more deaths in one day that Austria has had in total... Today we recorded 100 times more new CV cases than Austria (4600 to 46)...Our rates have dropped for two days on the bounce which is a really hopeful sign - but I'd have thought we're months more than weeks away - just looking at the numbers.
Nice edit.
