[chris j]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-52270658?intlink_from_url=&link_location=live-reporting-story

This has had a predicted fallout, fucking bellends.

Our local harbour authority has blanket banned all watersports around the estuary for the same reasoning, anyone caught out on a kayak or SUP or anything else is looking at a fine.

[teestub]

Someone told you access had been lost to 2 crags but didn’t tell you which ones they were? Who told you that?

Crag Hill would appear to be one (from the recently updates but if the RAD) https://www.thebmc.co.uk/modules/RAD/View.aspx?id=785

[SA Chris]

Our local harbour authority has blanket banned all watersports around the estuary for the same reasoning, anyone caught out on a kayak or SUP or anything else is looking at a fine.

Whereabouts?

[Muenchener]

Just read on frankenjura.com that locals have been out climbing in the glorious weather & that the polizei have explicitly ok'd it as healthy outdoor exercise as long as distancing rules are observed.

Bastards      They can stuff their website. I won't be making the mistake of looking at it again until I'm allowed out of the Muenchen Exclusion Zone.

[petejh]

Cool. What's the German equivalent of the Daily Mail so I can read some balanced commentary on this?

[Will Hunt]

Someone told you access had been lost to 2 crags but didn’t tell you which ones they were? Who told you that?

Crag Hill would appear to be one (from the recently updates but if the RAD) https://www.thebmc.co.uk/modules/RAD/View.aspx?id=785

Caveat: I don't want to excuse the actions of anybody who might have been climbing here irresponsibly. Clearly if somebody went climbing there then that was a stupid thing to do.

But. The picture may be more complex. Looking at the RAD and UKC, any climber who was going there in April was already in breach of a ban because the place is closed between January and April (inclusive) for lambing. And there is a buttress on UKC with some trad routes on it which is described as banned - suggesting that no climbing is allowed on that section whatsoever. That paints a picture of a landowner who isn't very keen on climbers being there at any time. Which fits the profile for where the crag is - basically next door to a working farm (https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=d503303a-f4f5-4c3b-a78a-3372f43e6626&cp=54.540946~-2.005504&lvl=16&style=s&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027).

So I'm not saying that the farmer has been unreasonable, but it does make me wonder whether they submitted any evidence to the BMC when they decided to ban. Obviously they don't have to, but did they show any photos of anyone climbing there? Could they have been a walker from the bridle path who went up to the rocks for a look? There have been quite a few recorded incidents of particular landowners who don't like footpaths on their land at the best of times obstructing rights of way and painting gates with anti-vandal paint. Accompanying signs say "Stay Out! Protect The NHS!".
The Protect the NHS slogan (which has been invoked on here) is something I find irksome. Obviously nobody can argue with the sentiment of protecting the NHS, but it shouldn't be used to present an unarguable and outwardly noble defence for disproportionate (and possibly illegal) measures which happen to suit a landowner's personal desires.

[chris j]

Our local harbour authority has blanket banned all watersports around the estuary for the same reasoning, anyone caught out on a kayak or SUP or anything else is looking at a fine.

Whereabouts?

Exmouth

[gme]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-52270658?intlink_from_url=&link_location=live-reporting-story

This has had a predicted fallout, fucking bellends.

It was some swell on Tuesday and yesterday, as good as its been all winter. It was so tempting to go in but i didnt, mainly due to my local beach not being that good though, the slabs less than 5 mins drive away would have been epic and if i could have easily walked to them i would have gone in. I know someone did and had a ball.

[SA Chris]

I'm just not looking at cams or forecasts.

[petejh]

New guidance document for police to help them enforce the lockdown regs.

From beeb:
''Part of the guidance spells out that it is acceptable to buy luxury items while shopping, and that driving somewhere to exercise is acceptable as long as "far more time" is spent walking than driving.''

30 mins drive / 1 hour exercise? Have at it Sheffield..

(don't shoot the messenger)

[tomtom]

Just need to persuade the officers that lowball traversing is a form of walking

[SA Chris]

New guidance document for police to help them enforce the lockdown regs.

From beeb:
''Part of the guidance spells out that it is acceptable to buy luxury items while shopping, and that driving somewhere to exercise is acceptable as long as "far more time" is spent walking than driving.''

30 mins drive / 1 hour exercise? Have at it Sheffield..

(don't shoot the messenger)

FFS. Talk about confusing. Who makes this shit up??

[mark20]

From the other channel, a link to the Police guidance. I can’t see a date on it but I’m assuming it’s the latest

https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/COVID-19/Documents/What-constitutes-a-reasonable-excuse.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1LJtVDeXwMiKfNkvswhO3udJfT7Sef0-1b1BGggLu5wlRGfAjh8IPcU_M

Where it states “It is lawful to drive for exercise”.

[abarro81]

OK, I think I get it now. So non-essential travel is ok, so long as the non-essential thing you do at the other end of the travel is sufficiently long. So if I drive to the Orme I need to spend at least 10hrs there having a mega session before coming back. Right? How many routes earns a trip to Malham? Does running away from villagers with pitchforks count as valid exercise?

Edit: that doc makes it hard for me to see how you could be fined for climbing, given it explicitly states "Exercise can come in many forms". But maybe not bouldering, cos those fuckers rest too much.

P.S. Sorry duncan or whoever it was that was pleased Yoga wasn't counted as exercise... looks like the Yogis are back in town (or the park at least)

[guypercival]

Pirmin has set the benchmark

http://lizardclimbing.com/2020/04/15/the-almost-perfect-corona-climbing-day-panthera-11-9a-redpoint-and-corona-almost-as-well/

[Davo]

Hmmm ... really not sure why driving to some local bouldering is not okay from reading that guidance.

Certainly if you live with a partner or mate and wanted to go to some local sport climbing I don’t think the guidance prohibits that

[lurcher]

Tis England only that doc so you may well get pitchforked by north wales police at the orme..

[Davo]

Fair point!

[petejh]

Edit: that doc makes it hard for me to see how you could be fined for climbing, given it explicitly states "Exercise can come in many forms". But maybe not bouldering, cos those fuckers rest too much.

Says the man who moves for 10 seconds and rests hanging off his knees for 2 minutes..

[teestub]

Edit: that doc makes it hard for me to see how you could be fined for climbing, given it explicitly states "Exercise can come in many forms". But maybe not bouldering, cos those fuckers rest too much.

Half the successful redpoint attempts I read about seem to require a nap of several hours beforehand 😂

[abarro81]

Maybe COVID regulations will finally push me over the edge #biggradesforbadCOVIDbeta

[monkoffunk]

I think you’d still get lynched on Portland. Dorset is not doing too badly right now, but neighboured by some virus hot spots. Locals haven’t got over the packed scenes just prior to lockdown.

People also seem to think climbing more likely to land you up in A&E than running, rightly or wrongly.

[ali k]

Roads and isolated parking spots certainly seemed much busier today than last week, while I was out for a ride. And now this updated guidance gives the explicit go ahead to drive out as far as you need/want to exercise. I would expect beauty spots and national parks to get A LOT busier from now on. It seems whether to climb or not now comes down to personal choice and/or conscience as far as I can see.

[Will Hunt]

I cycled over Baildon Moor last night and all the parking pull ins had been blocked off, by the police I think but possibly the council. Presumably that will have to change. We shall see.

[AMorris]

Pirmin has set the benchmark

http://lizardclimbing.com/2020/04/15/the-almost-perfect-corona-climbing-day-panthera-11-9a-redpoint-and-corona-almost-as-well/

"It was NOT my goal to hamper the fight against Covid-19 with this, but not to let pass great sending conditions is part of my job as a climber"

Wow, I have always disliked him but that has left me speechless...