[tomtom]

Moderately changing the subject - OFQUAL have released the criteria for exam appeals.

And they seem different from what Gavin Williamson promised...

🤦‍♂️

[Oldmanmatt]

Moderately changing the subject - OFQUAL have released the criteria for exam appeals.

And they seem different from what Gavin Williamson promised...

🤦‍♂️

And, apparently, they have already withdrawn them.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/level-results-appeal-ofqual-policy-suspended-why-a9672606.html

[ali k]

OFQUAL have released the criteria for exam appeals. And they seem different from what Gavin Williamson promised...

And, apparently, they have already withdrawn them.

At the same time as the DfE launches a trust-building campaign to convince parents it’s safe for their kids to return to school. Oh dear...

[tomtom]

I suspect OFQUAL has Suddenly thought “how are we going to process 250-400 000 appeals”?...

From Triple Lock to Triple Cock-up.

No A level determining process was going to be perfect or fair (eg if it advantaged students this year against next) - but they’ve had 4-5 months to figure this out and model what the outcomes would be. As well as a weeks warning from Scotland!!

Anyway... cases continue to rise across Europe. Sweepstake on when Bars will have to close? I’ll go for 2nd week of Oct.

[SA Chris]

i think there won't be a blanket ban, will opt for local shutdowns.

[chris j]

I haven't found any good statistics, but while cases are going up across Europe, are hospital cases rising at all?

[Sidehaas]

I haven't found any good statistics, but while cases are going up across Europe, are hospital cases rising at all?

https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Covid-in-France-Why-cases-rising-but-hospitalisations-not-epidemiologist-explains-and-warns-risk-still-exists

[Offwidth]

It seems that some early UK cases were being missed because of restrictions on testing arrangements.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/25/nottinghamshire-woman-75-may-be-first-known-uk-covid-victim

[Paul B]

Bolton and Trafford which were due to be released from the additional lockdown measures today, are now not being so as the number of cases has risen drastically.

https://twitter.com/slowbikeiain/status/1301130250416517120?s=09

I'm losing track but I struggle to understand how Hancock can insist that these measures are having/can have an effect given he's having to re-introduce the additional measures effectively before any 'relaxing' has had time to have an effect. Doesn't this show that the additional measures don't work (or, from my N = 1 perspective, are being completely ignored by a large proportion of people)?

[teestub]

Doesn't this show that the additional measures don't work (or, from my N = 1 perspective, are being completely ignored by a large proportion of people)?

To make it n=2 I went to my village shop for the first time in a while yesterday, and I was the only one of six shoppers who came and went wearing a mask.

[jwi]

I am too lazy to google, how much would you be fined for not wearing a mask? It is €135 if you do not have one on here in Toulouse.

[Paul B]

I am too lazy to google, how much would you be fined for not wearing a mask? It is €135 if you do not have one on here in Toulouse.

Presently, those who refuse to wear a face covering where it is required face a £100 fine, which can be reduced to £50 if it is paid within 14 days.

But under the new measures, the penalty will double for each subsequent offence, up to a maximum of £3,200.

After your first offence, I think the reduction doesn't apply.

[gme]

Doesn't this show that the additional measures don't work (or, from my N = 1 perspective, are being completely ignored by a large proportion of people)?

To make it n=2 I went to my village shop for the first time in a while yesterday, and I was the only one of six shoppers who came and went wearing a mask.

You must live and operate in a very different world to mine as despite going into multiple shops from our local village deli, Coop and tesco express, huge Asda, Aldi and Waitrose supermarkets and even House of Fraser in Medowhall i have only ever seen one person NOT wearing a mask and he was about 90. Likewise the pubs and restaurants i have been to. There is the odd case of a few people getting closer than they should but its minimal.

Have not visited a town center weatherspoons type venue but have passed them and they looked OK too.

Are you deliberately going looking?

[Paul B]

Have not visited a town center weatherspoons type venue but have passed them and they looked OK too.

Are you deliberately going looking?

No, I just happen to live <1 mile from the highest concentration of infections currently recorded within the UK. Perhaps there's some kind of correlation there.

To turn that around, are you deliberately looking past the numbers (and 'enhanced measures') to support your experience?

EDIT: and yes, I think central Preston (office location) and Nelson (v. close to home) are very different to where you live. The map here should make it pretty clear:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

Pendle = Live
Preston = Work (avoiding mostly but not entirely)
Calderdale = Cycle through (Hebden Bridge etc.)

[teestub]

Are you deliberately going looking?

Barely been inside anywhere other than our local farm shop, where mask wearing was around 75%, Co-op petrol station in Ingleton where it was around 50% and our local shop as above. Went into Leeds for the first time since lockdown one Friday and uptake seemed to be better overall.

[spidermonkey09]

The worst place I have seen for mask compliance is Skipton. It was abysmal. By contrast Leicester is a haven of compliance. Its almost as if the population of the Dales is dominated by the recalcitrant, contrarian, right wing elderly...

Whats your local farm shop Stubbs? Sounds like an idyllic lifestyle.

[Will Hunt]

The worst place I have seen for mask compliance is Skipton. It was abysmal. By contrast Leicester is a haven of compliance. Its almost as if the population of the Dales is dominated by the recalcitrant, contrarian, right wing elderly...

Whats your local farm shop Stubbs? Sounds like an idyllic lifestyle.

If it's Keelham Farm Shop then, to be fair, it is quite literally to die for.

[dunnyg]

I went in there the other day, looks quality, only had a dump though.

[teestub]

The worst place I have seen for mask compliance is Skipton. It was abysmal. By contrast Leicester is a haven of compliance. Its almost as if the population of the Dales is dominated by the recalcitrant, contrarian, right wing elderly...

Whats your local farm shop Stubbs? Sounds like an idyllic lifestyle.

If it's Keelham Farm Shop then, to be fair, it is quite literally to die for.

We’re number one! 😷

Yeah Keelham, we’ve always done bulk order of dry goods from a hippie coop (Lembas) and we got a fruit delivery sorted during lockdown so only need to do the fun shopping at the farm shop.

[gme]

Have not visited a town center weatherspoons type venue but have passed them and they looked OK too.

Are you deliberately going looking?

No, I just happen to live <1 mile from the highest concentration of infections currently recorded within the UK. Perhaps there's some kind of correlation there.

To turn that around, are you deliberately looking past the numbers (and 'enhanced measures') to support your experience?

EDIT: and yes, I think central Preston (office location) and Nelson (v. close to home) are very different to where you live. The map here should make it pretty clear:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

Pendle = Live
Preston = Work (avoiding mostly but not entirely)
Calderdale = Cycle through (Hebden Bridge etc.)

Are people genuinely not wearing masks.

I am not looking for anything to be honest just trying to go round as normally as i can both with work and personal life but i am not seeing anything like what you are saying. In sheffield now and about to go for dinner with clients to Nonnas on Eccy road and expect it will all be fine but if it isnt i will let you know.

Went to the big Asda on the Parkway at lunchtime and everyone was wearing masks.

[Paul B]

As I alluded to in my first post today; adherence here (to both the enhanced measures, and wearing of masks) seems pretty poor and cases seem to be continuing to rise.

This leaves me to think that either the enhanced measures aren't working or that people aren't complying with them sufficiently for them to work. My experience points to the latter. Remember the enhanced lockdown means people such as myself shouldn't be socialising with anyone other than my household, anywhere. We shouldn't use public transport unless necessary etc.

In my immediate peer group (friends [inc. members of this parish], colleagues and neighbours) I can give significantly more examples of people not complying than I would've been able to earlier in the year. I've moved area from the RV (which is doing comparatively well, and is significantly more affluent) to Pendle.

[tomtom]

Everywhere I’ve been since the rule came in (Manchester and suburbs - and a Penrith Sainsbury's a couple of times) has been 100% compliance. Apart from a young Russian sounding couple in Decathlon.

At the vets on Tuesday - everyone wearing them - even though the chat with the vet and animal handover was all done in the car park.

[Fultonius]

Glasgow is now under some form of extra restrictions short of lockdown. I'd say the advice is relativelyclear , if a little odd.

We cannot meet other households inside, but we can meet them in "catering" as long as we follow the guidelines (i.e. maintain 2m distance)....no idea how that really constitutes a "meeting" at all, I suppose you can sit at opposite ends of a big table. Why this is any different from meeting at home I have no idea.

Just booked flights to Kalymnos (luckily mega cheap, was always a risk) the day before they introduced 14d quarantine from...Greece.....Joy!  Why is it they're not just testing on entry to uk, and again, say, 5 days later?

[tomtom]

This tale of non functioning track and trace is worrying

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/02/race-to-track-200-people-on-flight-after-officials-fail-to-tell-airline-of-covid-cases?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I’ve a friend and his wife and daughter who are all In quarantine post Croatia trip. And brother in law and fam same after returning from France. None of them have been contacted as to Check whether they are Still Obeying quarantine...

I really want track and trace etc... to work - but honestly...

[SA Chris]

We cannot meet other households inside, but we can meet them in "catering" as long as we follow the guidelines (i.e. maintain 2m distance)....no idea how that really constitutes a "meeting" at all, I suppose you can sit at opposite ends of a big table. Why this is any different from meeting at home I have no idea.

I think (and don't necessarily agree with the reasoning) that a lot of the transfers have been from large unregulated house parties, whereas if you met in a catered establishment then guidelines can be implemented and details recorded.

Or the cynic in me says that the want to keep hospitality business getting some income, rather than more cash going to supermarkets on cheap booze for parties.