[SA Chris]

Sounds like the EU is closing it’s boarders to all but non-essential travel for 30 days...

Remove the "but".

(from my face).

[James Malloch]

Sounds like the EU is closing it’s boarders to all but non-essential travel for 30 days...

Remove the "but".

(from my face).

Ah yes, my bad! Though now sounds like UK citizens are exempt.

[Fiend]

Which brings me to a related point - if and when the hospitals are overwhelmed, is it socially responsible to continue climbing?

Are you comfortable with the increased level of personal risk if there isn't a functioning A&E?

Are you comfortable with the thought that any treatment you might require will encroach on that required by Covid-19 sufferers?

Had exactly these thoughts recently. My grit wish list includes a few things with a small risk of minor but hospitalisable injury and I am questioning whether this is the right season, even for as selfish a reason as "lower limb injuries would suck even more dick if the nation is on lockdown". Not that I need any excuse to pussy out.... I don't see a problem with climbing per se as a lot of risk can be mitigated even without resorting to doing laps on Zippy's, but now might be the time to start one's Lleyn Peninsula DWS career 

[dunnyg]

Zippys is always covered in fresh chalk. I recon the highballs would be less risky...

[tomtom]

Given the latest announcement  - avoid all unnecessary social contact - then that’s it for climbing walls.

I feel really sorry for wall owners and those working for them. Can’t see them being open tomorrow.

[BrutusTheBear]

Both my children (6 and 9) are off school with coughs as am I.   My wife has Charcot Marie Tooth disease (CMT) type 4c.  Some of you medical types will know exactly what this is, no doubt.  She is high risk and has been admitted to hospital with breathing difficulties as a result of chest infections in the past.  We have unilaterally taken the decision to keep them off school for the time being to protect my wife.  I am currently negotiating with my head as to whether I go back between now and Easter hols.  My main consideration is avoiding bringing back anything that could cause my wife serious illness.  Definitely not climbing indoors anytime soon!

Took the chidlers out for a walk on Exmoor in the sunshine today, good dose of vitamin d, fresh air, exercise and not another soul in sight. Pretty safe and definitely needed.

The father in law is stuck in Portugal with his caravan, due to get a ferry from Bilbao on 27th.  The site he’s on is shut but they are being told to stay put.  When told about isolating over 70s here, his response was ‘that’s not happening’, he would ignore and go down the local for a pint if he was here. 

Seems to be a general attitude of complacency amongst our populace, can’t see how the shit is not going to hit the fan big style and we seem to blissfully unaware of the impending crisis. 

[Johnny Brown]

I suspect the behavioural models will turn out to have been wrong, or at least not accurate enough to guide policy. People are very adaptable and will change fast as soon as the hospital near them is full and the obituaries are pouring out.

[abarro81]

Brutus: Word on the street is Bilbao ferries are shut, but that's 2nd hand. Also given new announcement you and whole family should be in the house for 14 days

[Coops_13]

Given the latest announcement  - avoid all unnecessary social contact - then that’s it for climbing walls.

I feel really sorry for wall owners and those working for them. Can’t see them being open tomorrow.

All the walls in Denver have closed over the past week. Apparently the popular sport crags have been rammed...

[BrutusTheBear]

That’ll take us up to Easter hols...

We’ve told the father in law to stay put and enjoy the good weather... whether or not he listens is a different matter.

I have yet to see new announcement but cheers for the heads up.

Exactly JB when the shit hits people will change behaviour but that’s probably too late, surely, when the aim is to slow things down.

[Doylo]

Be nice if the government do something to help those of us who can no longer earn money. Especially given the billions they spent bailing out the banks after the financial crash. Not holding my breath though.

[BrutusTheBear]

Exactly my thoughts Doylo.  It’s time to empty the Caman Islands it’s your turn to bail us out you selfish cvnts..

[Will Hunt]

I'd expect there will be support of some sort. Allowing businesses to skip business rates or mortgage payments etc.

I'm not saying there'll be particular measures which will help the individuals on here, but there will definitely be support of some sort for businesses, and quite possibly the self employed as well.

[petejh]

Good news for all Rhesus Macaques reading the forum.

Early info on re-infection, from the John Hopkins daily email update:

'NEW PREPRINT FINDINGS  The second study describes the potential for re-infection in rhesus macaques who had been infected and recovered. The study reintroduced the SARS-CoV-2 virus to the macaques and found that none showed notable viral loads five days after the reintroduction. The researchers suggest that these findings provide evidence that initial SARS-CoV-2 infection could offer protective immunity for those re-exposed. The duration of that protection is not known.'

[205Chris]

Given the latest announcement  - avoid all unnecessary social contact - then that’s it for climbing walls.

I feel really sorry for wall owners and those working for them. Can’t see them being open tomorrow.

I disagree. I think in the absence of a clear government directive to shut many of them will stay open and just preach 'wash hands, cardless payments, stay away if feeling unwell' etc. Business is business at the end of the day.

I really hope I'm proved wrong.

[HarryBD]

Be nice if the government do something to help those of us who can no longer earn money. Especially given the billions they spent bailing out the banks after the financial crash. Not holding my breath though.

Yep, think this is time to seriously think about universal basic income. I’d personally welcome increased income tax in order to help the self employed and the soon to be unemployed not end up homeless.

[Fultonius]

Be nice if the government do something to help those of us who can no longer earn money. Especially given the billions they spent bailing out the banks after the financial crash. Not holding my breath though.

Yep, think this is time to seriously think about universal basic income. I’d personally welcome increased income tax in order to help the self employed and the soon to be unemployed not end up homeless.

I was just saying this the other day, if we had proper UBI, then a shutdown like this would be a hell of a lot less stressful for many. I'm employed, but by a huge and potentially teetering engineering firm...this could tip them over the edge.

[mrjonathanr]

Good point Harry.

Chris205, I am a subscription member of a hot yoga studio. Also on member/mailing list of a couple of walls and other yoga studios, all of which have found time to email about what they are doing re Covid19, update it and in the case of Yoga Manchester, suspend classes.

My studio? No news apart from advertising extra classes for a subsidiary studio they opened last year  Looks like they are afraid to say anything in case it puts people off coming. Namaste, y’all.

[Johnny Brown]

Be nice if the government do something to help those of us who can no longer earn money. Especially given the billions they spent bailing out the banks after the financial crash. Not holding my breath though.

What's already been announced is here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-to-employers-and-businesses-about-covid-19/covid-19-guidance-for-employees

Guidance for businesses at the root link.

For the self employed you can apply for universal credit. Haven't looked into I think but it doesn't sound promising.

[spidermonkey09]

That announcement was a disgrace. Stopping short of banning pubs etc has the sole effect of giving insurance a reason not to pay out. People's lives and livelihoods are on the line and this government just cares about it's own bottom line. Compare and contrast with Macron just now unveiling massive economic support. Fucking nonsense.

[Adam Lincoln]

Brutus: Word on the street is Bilbao ferries are shut, but that's 2nd hand. Also given new announcement you and whole family should be in the house for 14 days

Really? Seems open to me sat here in my van......

[IanP]

That announcement was a disgrace. Stopping short of banning pubs etc has the sole effect of giving insurance a reason not to pay out. People's lives and livelihoods are on the line and this government just cares about it's own bottom line. Compare and contrast with Macron just now unveiling massive economic support. Fucking nonsense.

I agree, pretty poor performance - this is a time when the government needs to be clear and decisive..  Can't see it lasting though, pretty sure they will be forced to provide more clarity pretty quickly.  Lots already in the news picking upon the obvious issues with whats been done so far

[Andy W]

Here in France, Macron although making sweeping initiatives has still left many questions. I guess understandable in such unprecedented times. However I can still go bouldering as long as I’m alone, which is what I usually do anyhow 🙂

[Andy W]

Here in France, Macron although making sweeping initiatives has still left many questions. I guess understandable in such unprecedented times. However I can still go bouldering as long as I’m alone, which is what I usually do anyhow 🙂

Edit, my wife says I’m wrong, because driving to the bouldering is ‘making an unnecessary journey’. Thank god for my woodie.

[BrutusTheBear]

Brutus: Word on the street is Bilbao ferries are shut, but that's 2nd hand. Also given new announcement you and whole family should be in the house for 14 days

Really? Seems open to me sat here in my van......

Don’t be bringing none of dem nasty Euro viruses back into the Wez Cunry with eee!

The father in law is staying put for the time being, he may decamp to his cousin’s place in Portugal which is an hour or so away from where he is.

Andy W Can anyone explain how getting in my car on my drive, going somewhere no one else is, climbing on rock no one else has touched and going home again is a problem?  Is it the risk of crashing?  I guess it is an unnecessary journey but....  do we really have to stay inside our own homes the whole time?

So ask everyone to voluntarily keep social distance to slow the spread whilst still sending our little virus conductors to be in close proximity with their peers, to then take it all home to their families anyway.     Bonkers..