... there is no alternative, the leader of the opposition genuinely can't come up with anything even as good as this heap of shit; just lie...
Quote from: TobyD on December 20, 2018, 09:59:41 am... there is no alternative, the leader of the opposition genuinely can't come up with anything even as good as this heap of shit; just lie...It's too late to legislate a second referendum. I think people are being disingenuous suggesting there is any alternative. Look at those calling loudly for a people's vote; Blair, mandelson et al then tell me this isn't just the latest stick being used to beat Corbyn with.Furthermore, I believe the other accusations of instances where he has lied (such as on the issue of anti semitism) in your post to be baseless.But this thread isn't about Corbyn, it's about brexit and, right now, the only issue around brexit is do we take the damage control option of May's deal, which locks us into an unending "backstop" arrangement likely forever, or take the terminal no deal option, and hope we somehow raise from the flames like a Cuban phoenix post oil crisis? (Unlikely to be comfortable)
As nice as it might be for Remainers, I just don't think it would be politically tenable unfortunately. Imagine if you were on the other side of the argument...
Forget the "no-deal" blackmail. That's just May being a lunatic.
Quote from: tc on January 09, 2019, 06:53:34 pmForget the "no-deal" blackmail. That's just May being a lunatic.As understand (potentially incorrectly!) the House showed yesterday that there are sufficient numbers to vote down a No Deal, so that is now effectively off the table https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/08/theresa-may-suffers-commons-defeat-over-no-deal-brexit
The amendment passed today allows MPs to amend whatever the PM comes back with if/when her deal is voted down. This will be the opportunity to make sure a no deal is not possible, and the vote yesterday was a proof of principle that the numbers are there to do this.
Less clear after that, Labour still seem to think they can get a better deal by changing red lines
I don't think it is safe to assume that everyone who voted for the amendment will also vote against May's deal or even a no deal brexit. ....It wouldn't take many to change sides to change the result.
even if the path after that is tortuous.
you want to get your dictionary out first
Personally I'm just hoping her deal gets voted down as that's the only path to staying in the EU, even if the path after that is tortuous.