[Will Hunt]

The Virgin Traverse, Almscliff - F6B+ / 9a+?

You're not wrong. I had to reign myself in on the Pisa traverse. It gets 6A on UKC as its piss but a little pumpy UNTIL YOU GET WITHIN 4 METRES OF THE END. At which point it becomes the hardest piece of climbing known to man. I think I've done it successfully twice! 9A/9b+

[Johnny Brown]

The main reason why trav fitness doesn't always convert to route fitness is, in my opinion, less likely to be physiological and more likely to be psychological and tactical.

 

Really? Surely the basic energy demand of joules to lift a mass is absent for traverses?

[tomtom]

The Virgin Traverse, Almscliff - F6B+ / 9a+?

After years of trying the Virgin Traverse, I gave up and did the Keel instead...

[abarro81]

JB - no doubt there are some differences in terms of stresses on bicep and shoulder muscles, contraction times, wrist angles etc, not to mention technique, but I really doubt that physiology is the main reason why some are much worse on routes than they should be given what they can trav.

[dave]

The main reason why trav fitness doesn't always convert to route fitness is, in my opinion, less likely to be physiological and more likely to be psychological and tactical.

 

Really? Surely the basic energy demand of joules to lift a mass is absent for traverses?

Any move on a traverse/linkup where you actually have to pull upwards always feels like a kick in the teeth for this very reason.

[Doylo]

JB - no doubt there are some differences in terms of stresses on bicep and shoulder muscles, contraction times, wrist angles etc, not to mention technique, but I really doubt that physiology is the main reason why some are much worse on routes than they should be given what they can trav.

Don't think you need to look into it too deeply. They're just easier to do, no belayer, no faff, easy to work etc...

[lagerstarfish]

and then there's the old favorite linking all 3 tiered traverses into Crimps and Pockets 6C,6A,5,6B. 7b+? changing the order of the traverses will make a difference

that's a good one, thanks

it really is a good place for linking traverses into straight ups in the sub-hero grades

the black bulge lends itself to juggy figure of eight circuits

[JK]

For something a bit esoteric there is Lipo Suction at Wetherby, f7C. A sport grade feels much more appropriate as it is around 90 moves.

[Muenchener]

They're just easier to do, no belayer, no faff, easy to work etc...

What about the Mat Shifter?

[Doylo]

Most traverse are right by the ground aren't they not?

[dunnyg]

 Almscliff crucifix traverse, 7a F6B I think? Pumpier than virgin traverse unless you sit undue crack for 10 minutes...

[haydn jones]

Lots of link ups at gentlemans rock

[Sidehaas]

A churnet list would be good...