I also think for the average climber Flatworld is 7c.
Oh, and I'd definitely give my vote for Famous Grouse (stand up) as 7c, and the sit start as worthless.
I'd disagree with the PB:BR grades .
I think Fish arete at Wimberry needs an upgrade. I found (and still find) this seriously stiff for 6c+. I think it is harder that all the 7as i've climbed. Admittedly it is a little morpho (if you can reach the good hold from the big foothold it may be easier), but i am pretty much average height and build; and the problem suits me reasonably well. Other people i know also really struggle with it. Certainly it isn't soft as has been suggested before.
But where did you start?That reminds me... according to the Oracle Arthur Crabclaw III, Staminaband should start on the big flake, not the double pockets. Can this correction go in the new guide?
Blind Date 7c?Captain Hook I think 7b+, might be easier for the tall.
StaminaHumps 8a?Incidentally, what is Nacho's start to Keen Roof going in at?Good work chaps.
Quote from: jonjon on December 21, 2010, 02:05:05 pmI also think for the average climber Flatworld is 7c.For the average climber Flatworld is impossible.However for the 7c climber, its gotta be easier than shit like terrace, powerband etc.
I cant see how people think Marks roof LH is less than a 7... seems like a pretty solid 7a to me.. again given my lank its one that plays to my strengths...
I've done plenty of easier 7a's in Font.
Storm definitive 7b+, seen a few wanna be wads not get this very easily or quickly.
Stamina Humps is currently in at 7c+.
Problem with the tor is that there are lots of link ups and traverses in the 7c/7c+/8a range and everyone has different opinions about which ones are which grade.
Leotard legend???????????????????
Well some people Have been saying leotard is 7c, it feels alot harder to me.
Quote from: Ru on December 21, 2010, 02:54:49 pmStamina Humps is currently in at 7c+.Staminahumps (finishing up Rattle and Hump hard way, obviously) was 7c+ in the last guide. This was when it still had a big positive spike to stand on for the (crux) match on the crimps. The spike was snapped off by big Tom a few years ago and it is now significantly harder than when the last guide came out. This is not necessarily an argument for an upgrade, but it is a grade harder than it used to be, whatever that grade was.
Quote from: cofe on December 21, 2010, 05:23:59 pmI've done plenty of easier 7a's in Font.really? do share.