[Andy Harris]

There's a new problem at the Tor left of Hooligan I was trying yday eve called pump up the valium. Was a bit unclear on starting holds. I understand it's currently a stacked mat start starting on the obvious LH pinch/sidepull. Question is does the RH start on the low u'cut or elsewhere? Feet in the obvious egyptian then hard move to the crozzle u'cut?

From a bunk up to crozzle it felt 7b+/c but the 1st move felt brick and i'm guessing about 8a?

[dave]

RH starts on a low undercut. i think dan said 7c+.

[clm]

So, obviously the stacked mat start means the problem has yet to be ascended no???

[cofe]

just as soon as someone chips a couple of start holds.

[dave]

i think the low start is still dan's project. however a mat start is better than nothing at this stage.

[a dense loner]

things have changed since you last climbed clm

[Bonjoy]

Come to think of it Little Extra used to start off an insitu oil drum, so not such a modern aberration!