[St Hubbins]

The title doesn't make sense but I've decided start training to mantel (without elbow & feet use) a pull up bar from a hang.
Has anyone else done much of this, know if its easy to get any injuries from?

[miki]

isn´t that a muscle up? search the forum there are something about it
also you can search youtube for parkour videos ->
 

[Paul B]

its a piss easy version of a muscle up...

[St Hubbins]

I'm going to train without the swing. I will call them mantel pull ups as 'muscle up' is pretty camp. Not just camp, its cliff richard camp!

[Paul B]

call it what you will.

I'm not sure how much benefit you'll get from doing them on a bar though. Why not just do dips if you have weak triceps?

[St Hubbins]

I never perform dips when toping out in that scenario so the full 'pull through' if you like seems more sensible.
If i can adapt bar to having a flat ledge i will.

[Paul B]

you do that then, maybe even make yourself a slab board while you're at it?

I never do front levers when out bouldering they do however seem to make a difference on steep stuff, go figure?

[Jaspersharpe]

you do that then, maybe even make yourself a slab board while you're at it?

I never do front levers when out bouldering they do however seem to make a difference on steep stuff, go figure?

The tricky part of that bar exercise will be the pull up. Do some dips as they make you stronger.

[Stubbs]

you do that then, maybe even make yourself a slab board while you're at it?

I never do front levers when out bouldering they do however seem to make a difference on steep stuff, go figure?

[Paul B]

sorry i'm having a bad day and i'm not being very tolerant.

[St Hubbins]

you do that then, maybe even make yourself a slab board while you're at it?

I never do front levers when out bouldering they do however seem to make a difference on steep stuff, go figure?

The tricky part of that bar exercise will be the pull up. Do some dips as they make you stronger.

Nope, i'm right.  A footless mantel won't be helped by dips over that exercise.
Maybe it will if i train some parrots to sit on my shoulders and flap me into position it might???

  These cranky old timers.....

[lagerstarfish]

You're all wrong.

The exercise you should be concentrating on is the Tabletop Mantle-Up Planche-Fest. Start by sitting on the floor with your legs out straight under the table and your nose/forehead/chin touching the edge of the table top (depending on the size of you and your table). Place both palms on the table top, lift your arse and legs off the floor (legs still out straight) and then slowly press down until your knees are touching the underside of the table. Then tip your upper body forward and straighten your arms until fully locked. Lift your legs out behind you and crank out a smooth planche press up. When you have this wired, try to go into a full handstand at the end.

A pint for the first person to post a vid of them doing this.

[Paul B]

Nope, i'm right.  A footless mantel won't be helped by dips over that exercise.
Maybe it will if i train some parrots to sit on my shoulders and flap me into position it might???

  These cranky old timers.....

Have a think, how many people have gone before you? if your name isn't "Back 2 Dan" then someone has trained what you're lacking before.

Muscle ups on a bar are a piece of piss, they're just not that hard, kids do them in the playground FFS.

Dips you will struggle on.

Weighted dips you will struggle on.

One armed dips you will struggle on.

muscle ups on rings you will STRUGGLE ON.

Get where this is going?

Feel free to do whatever you wish and call them "mantle pull ups uber wad builder 3.0" if you so wish. I'll stick to doing more productive things.
 

(or if your name is stevie and you're also 52 years of age, just go and do about a 1000 pull ups a day between doing chores, that should get you up 8c+)

[lagerstarfish]

I am reminded of the time I approached the dip bars with Jasper. He might have strong fingers and steely-gay-robot-lock-off strength, but he demonstrated a whole new exercise which is best desciribed as The Crumple And Fold when he went up to the dip bars. He could only climb about 7b then. Now that he can actually do a Dip^tm, he is cranking out 7c/8a on plastic.

[a dense loner]

lagers i'm afraid that i'll need proof of jasper being able to do a dip

[Jaspersharpe]

 

[a dense loner]

well jasper you must admit there are some things that are beyond belief

[Jaspersharpe]

I'd produce some video evidence but why should I? Where's the trust nowadays?

[DubDom]

[Jaspersharpe]

What's going on behind that curtain?

[slackline]

What's going on behind that curtain?

Juggling hamsters (in day glo jackets)  

Its probably Dominic Lacasse training, here's some other amazing shit (probably posted before).  If anyone can do Lagers challenge I reckon its this guy....

[St Hubbins]

Muscle ups on a bar are a piece of piss, they're just not that hard, kids do them in the playground FFS.


One armed dips you will struggle on.

I had to eat my hat on this.  I tried them out the other night after a long session and managed several with a swing and a couple with no swing and slow. So if fresh they would be even more pissy.

One arm dips are more awkward than a struggle. I did two this morning on the newel post on my landing, but the crushing of my balls seems to be stopping me.

I take it a waist high bar is best way to train this???

[a dense loner]

am i being dense but you're asking about dips and then saying you can do 2 one-handed ones. i don't think you need stronger triceps you must just be very very shit at mantleing, i'm really confused

[St Hubbins]

No, i was initially interested in what injuries you could get from too many 'muscle ups' (still sounds homo to me).

This was to train for footless mantelling. Dips were suggested instead. I thought that muscle ups would train the move from the hang to the mantel (if that makes sense?) but others suggested sticking to dips.

Anyway tuesday night i did a session inc campus boarding. Following that i managed 7 muscle ups with a bit of leg swing, and 2 that had no leg swinging and much slower movement.

This morning i tried one arm dips and crushed my bollocks after the second one. Normal dips i'm fine with and can do plenty of them



Still confused?   

[richdraws]

I have limited experience with mantels and a lot of experience with muscle ups  but I have never come across a mantel problem where anything more than basic dip strength is necessary. Usually its more a case of getting your hips high through use of heels and/or good finger strength to pull higher gaining some balance turning one hand round and doing an easy press move to get a foot on. If you have a boulder problem where a muscle up  is possible I am sure you could do it more economically with a heel hook and a press. Though I could be doing what all the strong fingered 8 stone midgets do when down grading and not taking into account my strengths.

[a dense loner]

do you do any mantleing st hubbin. the guys who i let train with me sometimes like saltbeef, dobbin, and paul b where all into muscle ups, whereas i shunned them stating they were useless for climbing, the fact i couldn't do them should be ignored. of the four of us only one was half useful at mantles, i'm sure the other 3 won't mind me pointing that out. what i'm saying is the only thing muscle ups are good for is impressing young girls and idiots down at the works

[Johnny B Badd]

One arm dips are more awkward than a struggle.

How the fcuk do you do stabalise the rest of your body? You must be pulling or pushing against something with the other arm 

Even Kurt  on 'The Real Thing' does The Piano with assistance from the other arm. And he can do 20 one-arm pull-ups whilst asleep 

I'd have thought a true one-arm dip would be something like decline bench pressing twice your body weight.  What's your normal bench 1RM?

[St Hubbins]

I used to newel post at the top of my stairs and put my legs either side of it. This is how i hurt my 'special purpose'.

It wasn't a full dip down either as i ended up hunched over my hand and then straightened from that.

[chriss]

St Hubbins I thought you were a Sandstone boy no? With all those grubby top outs your triceps should be monster unless your one of the elbow/ & knee brigade. Or is this why you like bouldering at High as they finish half way up al la Mile End style. Ps I am only fucking with you..........

[Jaspersharpe]

Ha ha! I was thinking just this. Go and do One Nighter at Bowles, Font top outs will be a formailty after that.

[richie0210]

 Lol I second the one nighter comment. Even if you are good at top outs, One nighter will have you crawling off the top wishing you had stronger triceps.

Dips is the way forward to get strong triceps..

Muscle ups are good for showing off and proving you have strong triceps.( If your going to do muscle ups least do them off rings. much more effective.

[chriss]

I know Sandstone takes a beating on here, but we do have some of the best top outs....done the crux now get off the top without looking like a punter haaha.

[Paul B]

It wasn't a full dip down either as i ended up hunched over my hand and then straightened from that.

This thread 

[St Hubbins]

It wasn't a full dip down either as i ended up hunched over my hand and then straightened from that.

This thread 

Ok, so whats the CORGI Registered method for doing them then? 

I started from one arm extended on the post, lowered down so that my pec was on the back of my hand (which was top of post) then pushed up from that? That not low enough. If i go down to chin on a post i will not have anymore children due to balls becoming internal organs.

Since they cancelled 'the running man' me, fireball, captain freedom, sub zero & buzzsaw have all been having access to all the vast gym equipment they offered and have had to improvise our training....... so any tips will be welcome

[DubDom]

[a dense loner]

good little vid. he's no weak

[tobym]