[Adam Lincoln]

How many other 8b+/8c's have you done? You do realise what bogey means in this context? It's kind of like it should be average 

Only 1 8b+ Dense. What i meant was that i buggered my finger on it, bogey in that sense.

[a dense loner]

beast, chris says hi

[Doylo]

beast, chris says hi

No I didn't

[Adam Lincoln]

beast, chris says hi

I need to be on the same rig as you sometime, you would have me in stitches 

[Fiend]

Not if you warm up gently and use enough lube.

[Paul B]

I need to be on the same rig as you sometime, you would have me in stitches 

Maybe you could both join Dave Graham's crew? He'd be stoked.

[T_B]

Or he might go loco at the shit is cray rig posse and be sick?

[a dense loner]

Adam can translate for me. I still struggle to understand Tyler when he goes on about time travel in between the logs

[Adam Lincoln]

I need to be on the same rig as you sometime, you would have me in stitches 

Maybe you could both join Dave Graham's crew? He'd be stoked.

The type of rig attached to sea bed guys, sorry to ruin your fun. 

[bendavison]

Alan Cassidy has done Nordic Flower in Flatanger. Originally given 9a by Jorg-no-kneebar-Verhoeven, then down to 8c+ with just the Wizard and Seb Bouin (I think) suggesting hard 8c. Looks like Alan thought low end 8c+. Amazing looking route and his 2nd at the grade I think.

[Fiend]

I need to be on the same rig as you sometime, you would have me in stitches 

Maybe you could both join Dave Graham's crew? He'd be stoked.

The type of rig attached to sea bed guys, sorry to ruin your fun. 

Obviously. Surely there is no chance of Dense going near a boulder problem "rig".

[Nike Air]

Emma Twyford has done Unjustified. 2nd girl to do 8b+ on British soil (or is it still regarded as 8c?). Fine effort regardless.

The history of Unjustified might shed light on this.

Nic made a hold out of siki and went straight up after the crux at 8b+, justified and ancient.  Tony came along and wanted another 8c for himself and knocked off alot of the hold and got his 8c, that he renamed Unjustified.

I remember reading that it was a little known fact that not all the siki had been taken off and Tony still used a little of it to pull on. This means that Tony went straight up after the crux like Nic did. Now everyone loops out right doing the new easier method that I think the Darwin Weasel found. This method does not use the glue for hands and as far as I know nobody has done it the way Tony did and gave 8c for. I never tried going direct so I dont know if this way was/is 8c, Im just adding some content to the debate.........

Anyone want to regrade true north for those who can do the direct/lank method on full tilt?? I found the loop out right low down on this the crux and fell here the most times on true north.

[a dense loner]

Has someone hacked your account Ben? God you must be bored

[Paul B]

I found the loop out right low down on this the crux and fell here the most times on true north.

It's a tricky set of moves lanksters get to miss out that's for sure!

[gme]

I thought that unjustified has been consensus 8b+ for a long time now. The way it's been reported at the minute will make it very difficult to give it this grade in the new guide. Who wants to be the person to down grade the 1st of it's kind British ascent.

[Doylo]

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. Emma's awesome at technical stamina stuff anyway so I'm sure she'll do more.
 

Anyone want to regrade true north for those who can do the direct/lank method on full tilt?? I found the loop out right low down on this the crux and fell here the most times on true north.

Give yourself 8c+ then   

[shark]

Can I split the Unjustified comments into a seperate thread please ?

[gme]

Why. It's comment on a significant ascent is it not.

[shark]

Why. It's comment on a significant ascent is it not.

It looks to be going off topic. There are also other things worth discussing re Unjustified. It sounds like it could do with a rebolt (people tend to extend the existing ones and they are past their best) and maybe the belay moving to a ledge just a bit higher   

[T_B]

Whilst you're at it get Nic's hold sika'd back on then there'd be no confusion over the grade

[shark]

Whilst you're at it get Nic's hold sika'd back on then there'd be no confusion over the grade

Really? He's a bigger undergrader than you are

[gme]

But we are not discussing unjustified we are discussing a significant repeat of it. You have a whole thread to discuss it needing revolting which, whilst important, does not really bother me.

I personally have no idea what grade it is just questioned the reporting of it as 8c when I thought it was generally accepted as 8b+. I have not seen it reported as 8c for ages.

[gme]

And nics not an undergrader. Never heard that before.

[Stu Littlefair]

the irony of shark complaining this thread is going off topic, then dragging it off topic. 

[shark]

the irony of shark complaining this thread is going off topic, then dragging it off topic. 

I wasn't complaining. It is often commented by memebers (particularly Tom) that this thread in particular is kept relatively uncluttered. I think its OK to go off topic and lot of good threads have been spawned from the significant repeats thread.

I'll say no more.