[Houdini]

I fucking love grade arguments (especially about people I've never met or will and couldn't care less about):  there so small-time;  so irrelevant;  so arbitrary;  so boring;  so predictable. 



If it wasn't for grades, I'd be a rapist.

[saltbeef]

If it wasn't for grades, I'd be a rapist.

that you dense?

[Baron]

"If it wasn't for grades, I'd be a rapist."

Idiot.

[Houdini]

Get a grip, Baron.

[abarro81]

Baron's right - shouldn't it be "If it weren't for grades... "?

[Houdini]

You're grammar needs work. 

[Jaspersharpe]

What qualifications does she have? Most supermarkets operate an equal opportunities policy which can be useful for elderly relatives seeking employment.

[Houdini]

Pfft!  8schmee . . .


I'm more interested in what she look like in her birthday suit.   

[Paul B]

Consensus seems to be soft 8b from everybody that's done it. My question is this? Who cares about the grade?

Me for one, just like i'm interested in things like what was the first 8a, who climbed it, the same for 8b,+,8c what the best onsight in the world has been and what the cutting edge is at any point in time. Theres nothing wrong with that.
If someone comes out and says my god thats utter shit a woman only climbing 8a+ then feel free to take offense.
on another point come on its in Magic Wood, its not exactly well known for reliable grading is it?

If not, why not keep your comments to yourself?

because its a discussion board? 

[c.j.d.]

Very good effort from a strong female type, but, alas, 8a/+ (from the locals mouth).

[Jaspersharpe]

My God, that's utter shit then.

[Houdini]

Burn the Witch-Punter!   

[Shy Ted]

Nige and I looked at this and it looked like a very swiss 8b to be honest. There are actually good holds on it for instance. Thats not to say it isnt, as neither of us pulled on, but it looked distinctly more feasible than other problems at that grade. Taking a grade consensus off 8a.nu is an interesting one - you could argue that this is what people think it is and thats why they put it down as that, or you could argue that people are putting down what it says in the topo and not what they think it actually is? how many take the guidebook grade, and how many are honest enough to claim what they actually thought it was worth? I take guidebook grades. Except if I think they are miles out. Oh, its all subjective, one mans poison blah blah and all that - its a great effort by a very talented young climber, lets not get over excited about whether it is or it isnt. Well done Barbara.

i agree.  it does my tatties in, being obsessed with grades being a fraction wrong and constant down-grading.  just take it at face value and think, 'ooh, that was an enjoyable experience'.  bon effort

[a dense loner]

yeh right... this from a guy that gives 8a+ probs 7b on the board

[Shy Ted]

have you been recently?  is that your problem, new comer?

[Andy Harris]

Had a quick blast on this a couple of years ago with the lass in question and her namesake (but not relative or boyfriend) Bernd. Both v.nice.

I must admit it didn't feel 8b to me. Did all the moves in 30mins or so. Crux is 1st move (if you do it the direct way) then 4/5 tricky but not desparate moves, then a v.small fingery move (2nd crux). Great problem but probably solid 8a+. I guess at Chironico it would also be 8b but no where near as hard as any of the Cresciano 8b's.

Mark Katz had fallen off the last move a couple of times on his 1st session. A fine effort.

[Andy Harris]

in reply to my last post, my comment wasn't meant to be derogatory. Just an honest opinion. It doesn't take away what is a great ascent of a bloody hard problem in real board style climbing. Actually Barbara is mini so I guess the moves would have been bigger and hence harder for her.

[richdraws]

I was looking on the 5.10 site in her profile she is listed as being:


Height: 064cm

Dwarfism, in medicine, is the condition of being undersized, or less than 127 cm (50 inches) in height. The term midget is usually applied to physically well-proportioned dwarfs

she is definitely midget material.

[SA Chris]

Wonder if she is a member of midgets of the world united?