[tomtom]

Maybe. It may mean batshit stuff like grammar schools won't happen...

In the meantime, I'm going to email sloper

[Oldmanmatt]

Honestly, I'm really convinced I've horribly maligned an actually quite good MP! Her constituents seem to love her:

https://www.indy100.com/article/diane-abbott-theresa-may-general-election-entire-vote-hackney-maidenhead-7781011


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[jfdm]

My wife has just read out senior Tory states the following about Mayhem
"We all fucking hate her. But there nothing we can do. She has totally fucked us."
Well, well, well if it ain't the story about the three wells.
With friends like this who needs enemies.

[dave]

It'll only take a few Tory MPs with enough backbone to take exception to the DUP hookup and go against the party whip on the queen's speech vote to cock things up. However if such a thing as a Tory MP with a backbone exists remains to be seen.

A few may even cross the floor of the house perhaps?

The other thing that struck me is given the opportunity to deprive the DUP of a platform and position of huge influence, could Sinn Fein be persuaded to ditch the abstentionism policy? 

[jfdm]

"Just to be clear" the guy in this pic looks like a nut job from the 70s n Ireland troubles
https://mobile.twitter.com/19acres/status/873116262116737027/photo/2

Just had look at this article in inde, same guy to the right of dup leader.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dup-hung-parliament-results-policies-manifesto-abortion-gay-marriage-climate-change-who-are-they-a7781656.html

The tories always say we don't do deals with terrorists, first Saudi, Isis, now these home grown nut jobs, good work over the last few weeks for the Cons.

I think that half of N Ireland will be going ape shit. It's going to end in tears.
Dave if anybody can persuade Sinn Fein maybe JC might be able to.
But they have stated today they won't take their seats in HoC

[Offwidth]

Let's not fuck about, in the face of the majority of papers being Tory backers, and the bias of the BBC coverage of Corbyn, and half the parliamentary labour party being on his back from day one, this is nothing short of an absolute triumph for Corbyn. If for example that reptile Murdoch had been onside like in 1997 (not that I want him on side) it would have been an absolute landslide. Complete and utter disaster for May and the Tories.

Plus I made £70.

Right, I've had very little sleep and am still pissed so I might be dreaming, but spot on Dave. Really don't want to say "I told you so" so I won't (except just there). But this is all Corbyn's, there's going to be a lot of humble pie getting scranned today by experts, pundits, journos, and labour MPs. Surprising number of trots, entryists, commies etc. all throughout the country.

Great to see that £70 and even as a liberal minded chap I'm gladened by most of the outcome (I'd hoped the Lib Dems would do a bit better to signal better news for the prospects for PR, brexit processes and realistic manifesto budgeting)  but happy as I am I won't lose touch with reality. The Maybot lost this,  more than Jezza winning it (even though his exceeding the dumb press expectations wasn't so hard and I think he genuinely did very well even compared to more realistic expectations). I'd also point out the new You Gov modelling system predicted this result long before the exit poll.

I see the result as a classic case of hope (policies and costings) over fear (and invited 'scorpion trust' ....remember the frog joke  http://allaboutfrogs.org/stories/scorpion.html  ).  As for the entryists, of course the Scum and Fail style press view is idiotic, however, a good number of the Trots I knew from my union politics are now Momentum and Labour members. These rigid minded revolutionaries are obviously very much a tiny minority but they are highly organised and motivated and once they establish a foothold in organisations of the left they punch well above their weight. They seem to me incapable of behaving and so trouble will come from their membership. In my experience they don't care a jot about democracy and will end up causing real damage for the sake of the greater cause, and in this will happily call black white. I'm still hopeful the much much larger youth surge in Labour swamps this SWP ideological cul-de-sac. 

The next problem is the probable slow decay of a coalition with a party of real ex-terrorist sympathisers and religious reactionaries. Longer term, proper state funding for vital public services similar to the EU GDP per capita average (especially for the NHS and Social Care), a fairer election system and other hopeful dreams, without messing up the national finances too much.

[jfdm]

How to deal with the Tory candidate
Step 1.

[dave]

This thread is a bit of a wakeup call on he whole DUP thing, esp if like me you don't really know much about NI politics. Basically May could be totally fucking up the peace process for a wafer thin majority.

https://twitter.com/jackbern23/status/873277922429325314

[Johnny Brown]

Could be? Is. She's really demonstrating a complete lack of awareness for anything but her own survival.

I kind of hope it lasts long enough for her to fuck Brexit up too, but Irish stability has to be the priority.

[dave]

She's really demonstrating a complete lack of awareness for anything but her own survival.

Page 1 of How To Be A Tory - act in complete short term self interest and fuck everyone else.

[jfdm]

Brexit negotiating team has been rebranded.
Now called The Conservative Unionist Negotiating Team.
Qolloquially known as The CUNTS.

[tomtom]

It's already shining a bright spotlight on the (to me rather murky) world of Northern Irish politics - that over here has largely been brushed under the carpet. For NI that's probably a good thing - for the rest of us it's not a good coalition/combination imho

[petejh]

The other thing that struck me is given the opportunity to deprive the DUP of a platform and position of huge influence, could Sinn Fein be persuaded to ditch the abstentionism policy?

The thing that strikes me is, given all that's been said above, would you want them to?

[Johnny Brown]

Can't see it. Since the referendum the NI question has been systematically avoided. This is dragging it into the national spotlight and the DUP are not going to look good.

[Oldmanmatt]

The only way the DUP would ever look good, would be in the distance.
And then, that distance would need to be several tens of lightyears to have any effect!

[jfdm]

The other thing that struck me is given the opportunity to deprive the DUP of a platform and position of huge influence, could Sinn Fein be persuaded to ditch the abstentionism policy?

The thing that strikes me is, given all that's been said above, would you want them to?

So true, don't want anything to do with Sinn Fein as the troubles continue to rumble on all be it a lower level. I think whilst there are NI politicians linked to terrorists or have been terrorists, parliament/gov shouldn't be used as a platform for them. It is though hypocritical of the cons to state jezzer had terrorist sympathies but it is then ok for the Cons to work with organisation like the DUP with dodgy past and present.
You couldn't  make it up.

[tomtom]

Word is it may be more of a formal coalition than on a per vote basis..

Tory chiefs of staff gone over to NI to negotiate...

Whilst this may appear to be more stable than per vote, I think it is probably a bad move for the Tories, as it will make their association with those loons far more formal. Remember what governing with right wingers did for the LD's...

Interesting silence from Labour on this one... I hope they are working hard on their alternative queens speech..

[chris j]

It is though hypocritical of the cons to state jezzer had terrorist sympathies but it is then ok for the Cons to work with organisation like the DUP with dodgy past and present.

What other option do they have to form any sort of viable govt? The LDs said they wouldn't be part of a coalition with either side during the campaign, didn't they so there's no one else out there.  She's hardly going to turn round to JC and say "here, you have first go at making a coalition, i don't like the look of these ulster boys very much..."

[Falling Down]

Well she could have done..  Major resisted the temptation on many occasions despite their overtures toward him... She's completely lacking in any principles or dignity and should have walked yesterday, or, had the guts to stand up and try and lead a minority government in a hung parliament. 

[SamT]

For my money.. let them crack on. I'd rather the Tories were behind the wheel of the car crash that will be brexit. They can slowly pull themselves apart and a proper socialist left Labour can rise out of the wreckage and win with a landslide in the next (early) election.

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[Oldmanmatt]

For my money.. let them crack on. I'd rather the Tories were behind the wheel of the car crash that will be brexit. They can slowly pull themselves apart and a proper socialist left Labour can rise out of the wreckage and win with a landslide in the next (early) election.

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This seems probable.
I'm mildly surprised she has chosen to plough on, though perhaps her lack of judgment should not come as a surprise.
She seems so hellbent on power, she's quite eager to take a second swig from the chalice that most of her peers viewed as poisoned, a year ago. She might just destroy the Tory party in the process.

We can but hope.

[Falling Down]

I've just been reading the news and reckon she'll be gone by this time next week.  She's alone in the water with Timothy and Hill gone, surrounded by sharks with blood in the water and completely misunderstood how many of the rank and file would object to the DUP deal plus Ruth Davidson adjitating North of the wall - May's fucked.

[petejh]

The other thing that struck me is given the opportunity to deprive the DUP of a platform and position of huge influence, could Sinn Fein be persuaded to ditch the abstentionism policy?

The thing that strikes me is, given all that's been said above, would you want them to?

So true, don't want anything to do with Sinn Fein as the troubles continue to rumble on all be it a lower level. I think whilst there are NI politicians linked to terrorists or have been terrorists, parliament/gov shouldn't be used as a platform for them. It is though hypocritical of the cons to state jezzer had terrorist sympathies but it is then ok for the Cons to work with organisation like the DUP with dodgy past and present.
You couldn't  make it up.

What I was getting at, in a roundabout way, is I thought Dave was suggesting Labour/ 'a progressive coalition' could 'get' Sinn Fein to take up their seats as a way to level the numbers. Which could of course be viewed by some people as very hypocritical. Correct me if I'm wrong Dave.

[jfdm]

Apparently Condup negotiations are going well.
TV cameras have been allowed into film the get together, breaking the ice, principles and peace process.

[nai]

Good read:

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/06/10/britain-the-end-of-a-fantasy/