I did a 69 mile ultra last year. Forget the gels, all I wanted was white bread jam sandwiches
When i went on a wall i took cheese, salami and bagels. Seriously, that was way better than gels and flipping gatorade.
Quote from: TobyD on August 23, 2013, 11:05:44 pmWhen i went on a wall i took cheese, salami and bagels. Seriously, that was way better than gels and flipping gatorade.Its been 35'c! Cheese sweats just a little less than myself. And, no. You're thinking of Lunabars.
So, the flapjack is very tasty. I used honey and added some jam. But it's very crumbly, so that I basically need a spoon to eat it. What went wrong? Not enough baked? Too much/too little honey? Opinions?
I can see how you could deplete glycogen by running or cycling to the point where you have to start metabolising fat.
webbo, thanks for this blast of common sense. I can see how you could deplete glycogen by running or cycling to the point where you have to start metabolising fat. I’m sure Ueli Steck is training something similar for his big alpine days. How different is rock climbing? Harder to deplete (you are sitting around doing nothing for >50% of the time) or easier (the muscles involved are much smaller)?Or to put it another way, how do I train for a hypothetical rock route that is 900m long and expected to take about 18 hours?
Mark Twight talks extensively about this in Extreme Alpinism
Quote from: duncan on August 27, 2013, 12:57:18 pmwebbo, thanks for this blast of common sense. I can see how you could deplete glycogen by running or cycling to the point where you have to start metabolising fat. I’m sure Ueli Steck is training something similar for his big alpine days. How different is rock climbing? Harder to deplete (you are sitting around doing nothing for >50% of the time) or easier (the muscles involved are much smaller)?Or to put it another way, how do I train for a hypothetical rock route that is 900m long and expected to take about 18 hours?I guess you would try to have long, long days try to climb non stop doing routes harder than goal route. Also doing much shorter but much harder routes.my bike training is short fast interval sessions during the week with a long ride at the weekend, which if shorter than my goal ride. I will try and go harder than I plan on the goal ride.When I was racing and training on a regular basis, racing around 50 to 60 miles. I could go ride a 100 miles without to much trouble due riding at a slower pace so it wasn't taking much out of me. Didn't Ben Moon just go from a period of hard bouldering and do some routes with no problem because the moves were easier and not troubling him.