[leeroy]

Was trying this today and was just wondering what holds to start on for the 7b+ tick. I assume the 7c starts left hand in pocket and right on the bottom of the ramp.

Sorry if its an obvious question but wanted to make sure before i bother to put some effort in on it.

[Andy B]

The 7b+ is a natural sitter, so whatever you can reach from sitting (sidepull left, ramp right I think). The 7c starts with both hands in the low pocket (awkward position) and move out to the ramp.

[leeroy]

The 7b+ is a natural sitter, so whatever you can reach from sitting (sidepull left, ramp right I think). The 7c starts with both hands in the low pocket (awkward position) and move out to the ramp.

Thanks andy 

[shark]

is a natural sitter, so whatever you can reach from sitting

"is a natural sitter" mean sitting on the ground as opposed to a pad (or folded leg even) ?

[Johnny Brown]

I ended up doing it from the pocket as there didn't seem to be any other logical place.

[Andy B]

is a natural sitter, so whatever you can reach from sitting

"is a natural sitter" mean sitting on the ground as opposed to a pad (or folded leg even) ?

Shirley a pad is the norm, unless specifically stated otherwise. In my experience a leg folded under to start is usually only used for the equivalent of a cheeky bristol heel as you pull off the floor. ie. cheating. For this problem specifically I don't remember big differences in what people used to start the 7b+ version. As I said, from vague memory it was a slopey sidepull near the arete (under the little pocket, which I avoided using) for your left, and the ramp for your right. As Adam says, if in doubt just do it from the pocket, it's not that much harder anyway.

[dave]

we always used to start this from about the point you see zaf climbing it from on Stick It.

[Kingy]

Where the crux is preventing yourself from dabbing the ground is the shit thing about lowballs

[a dense loner]

its only telling you you need a better core edward