And FFS take them to Wales or the Lakes or Scotland or SOMEWHERE other than fucking grit. Its not all the country has to offer you know. Perhaps they might be tested there.
At the risk of getting all Occum's Razor on everyone's ass, isn't the simplest explanation for the current brouhaha that these American chaps are unfamiliar with UK trad grading?
Yeah cloggy will be in great nick at the mo.
A confirmed onsight of Strawberries whet anyone's appetite?
What are you suggesting that they've misunderstood about the E grade, what factor are they failing to consider?
This is the guy who went out and did the big lines! When all is said and done the grades are of infinitely lesser importance the ascents themselves.
Sensible debate on grades is fine but idiots having a dig at James (and there does seem to be a few kicking about at the mo, on and off the internet) need to get a grip. This is the guy who went out and did the big lines! When all is said and done the grades are of infinitely lesser importance the ascents themselves.
Sheffield possibly has the highest concentration of climbers of any UK town or city who have the strength and ability to climb all the routes on Kevin's ticklist. There are so many people in Sheffield who are amazingly talented and superhumanly strong, and who live a maximum of 25 minutes drive from all the climbs Kevin has done, yet most haven't climbed even one of them. A lot seem more content to train hard, carry strong opinions on all aspects of climbing and be hypercritical of the efforts of others. But there ain't so many folks out there doing any more - there are a few, but not a lot performing at the top end when you consider how many insanely strong folks you see down any of the Sheffield walls of an evening.
Sorry to bitch on - obviously whilst I want all you local strong young things to start doing a bit less on the board and more on the crag my advanced years, tweaky joints and the fact that I'm shit preclude me from joining you. I'll give you a spot tho'! Well....maybe just for the start....
Quote from: Percy B on November 24, 2008, 08:25:53 pmSorry to bitch on - obviously whilst I want all you local strong young things to start doing a bit less on the board and more on the crag my advanced years, tweaky joints and the fact that I'm shit preclude me from joining you. I'll give you a spot tho'! Well....maybe just for the start....why do people insist on comments like this, MAYBE just MAYBE, grit routes don't get everyone drooling at the mouth. Let people do what they want and quit whining about it.
I just get a little peeved with the fact that there seems to be a widespread lack of motivation to go climbing and push things forward a bit from some of the people who have the ability to do so. Thank god for tourists who are pysched!
Sheffield possibly has the highest concentration of climbers of any UK town or city who have the strength and ability to climb all the routes on Kevin's ticklist. There are so many people in Sheffield who are amazingly talented and superhumanly strong, and who live a maximum of 25 minutes drive from all the climbs Kevin has done, yet most haven't climbed even one of them....
There's nothing wrong with being abrupt, and there's nothing wrong with having an opinion. There's little excuse for being rude though.