nnaahh, the ones im trying to describe are still in the froggatt over the road bit of the crag, will pop up again tomorrow and take some photos. the slopey crimpy one is left of computer say stuff and then there is the hard looking wall just below the road and right of computer... then right again and down a little is a boulder with a lovely flat landing, this is near the square field and the arete has been chalked. very confusing if you havent been i imagine. will try to go up soon with a pad and shoes.