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get involved: access, environment, BMC / Re: Spad climbing
« Last post by stone on Today at 08:51:36 am »It would be helpful if people criticising the leaving of fixed ropes etc avoided also criticising the ethical approach of working and then doing trad routes in this style, as JBs original post intended. People can spend their time on the crags doing routes however they want, it's none of anyone else's business. Seems pretty clear why people would want to do these trad routes; they're very good.
I totally agree.
I suppose the whole point is around equipment left long term at the crag. Perhaps some people like to trad climb these lines putting everything in themselves and leaving it clean at the end of the day. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Perhaps almost no-one wants to do that -if so then that would also seem fair enough (I guess a bit like how stakes at the top of Swanage trad are wanted by everyone).
I've only ever done bumbly trad-trad and for that it was nicest when everything was put in and taken out on the day (excepting stake-belays in mud top-outs). I thought the ancient ironmongery/tat I experienced on Peak lime trad would have been better stripped out. Perhaps a very discrete bolt abseil station might be OK? It seems to me nice to have eg a pinnacle summit that can only be reached by actual trad climbing and a shame to lose that without very good reason.