UKBouldering.com
the shizzle => bouldering => Topic started by: EdGowSmith on April 11, 2020, 02:14:21 pm
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In these circumstances of being stuck at home with not much to do, I have built a website:
https://www.betadb.org/
The idea is to have a database of videos for boulder problems that allows you to find beta for any problem quickly.
It currently works with YouTube, Vimeo, and Instagram videos, and the first two can be timestamped which means, for longer videos especially, it should save time in finding beta.
The site only covers problems in the UK currently.
There are some videos on there already but the usefulness hopefully comes in the ability for anyone to add videos.
It's pretty basic at the moment and there are still some things I want to implement but the bare-bones functionality is all working (I hope).
Any feedback would be much appreciated!
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Good idea. Being able to catalogue Instagram posts is a great idea. So much beta out there and none of it searchable. Drives me mad.
I'll try and contribute.
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Good idea. Being able to catalogue Instagram posts is a great idea. So much beta out there and none of it searchable. Drives me mad.
I'll try and contribute.
Thank you!
Yeah, being unable to search for Instagram videos was one of the big motivators for making this - sort of a black hole for beta...
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Ace! Friggin love it! The search is refreshingly well done (compared to UKC, peakbouldering etc.)
One small suggestion, when you search I thought that the problems list was a bit sparse at first but didnt realise things only show up if they have a video. Might make sense to include all problems in the list and add number of videos for that problem in to the text so you can see if it's worth clicking.
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Ace! Friggin love it! The search is refreshingly well done (compared to UKC, peakbouldering etc.)
One small suggestion, when you search I thought that the problems list was a bit sparse at first but didnt realise things only show up if they have a video. Might make sense to include all problems in the list and add number of videos for that problem in to the text so you can see if it's worth clicking.
Thanks!
Yeah this does need changing, I realised the search is unintuitive but couldn't think of a better alternative.
I think maybe splitting the search results into two could work? Having one category for problems with videos, and another for problems without? Will have a think.
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:agree: superb i have registered and started to add a few links.
The new split search is clean and very easy to use
Good effort look forward to it growing
Cheers macca
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Anyway you can link ukb beta threads Ed?
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Cool idea. Is there any way you can lookup a crag, then browse through to see which problems have got videos?
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I've uploaded all my various Instagram, Vimeo and Youtube. I'll do my best to add more of other people's as I come across them. Very easy to do and this will be so worthwhile if people contribute.
Waddage.
Where does the list of problems come from? I found it had some really obscure stuff in it but some stuff (not very much) was missing. Couldn't figure out a pattern. The Gemenid Trail on the Satellite Boulder was probably the most significant thing.
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Anyway you can link ukb beta threads Ed?
Yeah could do! Got some other things I want to sort out first though.
Cool idea. Is there any way you can lookup a crag, then browse through to see which problems have got videos?
Thanks. Not currently but I will do this at some point.
I've uploaded all my various Instagram, Vimeo and Youtube. I'll do my best to add more of other people's as I come across them. Very easy to do and this will be so worthwhile if people contribute.
Waddage.
I found it had some really obscure stuff in it but some stuff (not very much) was missing. Couldn't figure out a pattern. The Gemenid Trail on the Satellite Boulder was probably the most significant thing.
Great!
I just looked up The Geminid Trail, seems to be on there?
If you tell me what other problems are missing I'll look into it.
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I just looked up The Geminid Trail, seems to be on there?
I was spelling it wrong :slap:
Just went to add my vid and got this error message. No idea why.
"There was an error with the problems, please ensure you delete any blank entries"
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I just looked up The Geminid Trail, seems to be on there?
I was spelling it wrong :slap:
Just went to add my vid and got this error message. No idea why.
"There was an error with the problems, please ensure you delete any blank entries"
Okay ha, I think there will undoubtedly be some things missing.
Um not sure on that error, it doesn't like it when there are additional blank entries, is it throwing this error with just 1 problem?
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WOW! This is SO good. Well done that man!
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I just looked up The Geminid Trail, seems to be on there?
I was spelling it wrong :slap:
Just went to add my vid and got this error message. No idea why.
"There was an error with the problems, please ensure you delete any blank entries"
Okay ha, I think there will undoubtedly be some things missing.
Um not sure on that error, it doesn't like it when there are additional blank entries, is it throwing this error with just 1 problem?
Yeah. This Instagram link:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BocVhlwjHrG/
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I just looked up The Geminid Trail, seems to be on there?
I was spelling it wrong :slap:
Just went to add my vid and got this error message. No idea why.
"There was an error with the problems, please ensure you delete any blank entries"
Okay ha, I think there will undoubtedly be some things missing.
Um not sure on that error, it doesn't like it when there are additional blank entries, is it throwing this error with just 1 problem?
Yeah. This Instagram link:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BocVhlwjHrG/
I can't access this link, so maybe it's a private account? In which case it won't like it.
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I just looked up The Geminid Trail, seems to be on there?
I was spelling it wrong :slap:
Just went to add my vid and got this error message. No idea why.
"There was an error with the problems, please ensure you delete any blank entries"
Okay ha, I think there will undoubtedly be some things missing.
Um not sure on that error, it doesn't like it when there are additional blank entries, is it throwing this error with just 1 problem?
Yeah. This Instagram link:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BocVhlwjHrG/
I can't access this link, so maybe it's a private account? In which case it won't like it.
Actually on second thought it shouldn't matter, not sure what's going on there.
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Brilliant idea Ed, good job!
A nested site structure based on geography would be great, maybe taking county and crag level data so crags and areas are easily navigable
Psyched on this
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Brilliant idea Ed, good job!
A nested site structure based on geography would be great, maybe taking county and crag level data, again from UKC, so crags and areas are easily navigable
Psyched on this
Thank you!
I do want to implement something like this, just wasn't my priority for version 1.0. The crags are already on there so navigation by crag will be easy to make happen. Maybe can then split by England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland?
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I can't access the Instagram link either. I also couldn't access the Instagram link Will linked to in the covid thread so maybe there's something off with how will's linking them?
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Oops. That was meant to be a Twitter link but the Instagram thing was still on my clipboard. Think I'd better go to bed.
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This does look like a great idea. Personally not sure why you would need to browse by crag but it might look better. Just being able to type in what you want and it’s there is great.
I too noticed some obscurities where there and lesser obscurities were not. Stanton in the woods seems to be missing for example
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This is brilliant. In concept, creation and then the effort from people to add videos. Thanks.
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I really like this. Fantastic work.
Noticed one small bug (maybe) when searching for Fish Arete just to try it out. It only appeared in the search after I added a space after 'Fish', is that because it only displays the top so many results. Just confused me a little at first, but maybe that is the only way it could work.
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Just tested it. Worked really well when a problem is on the list but there isn’t the capability to add a problem that isn’t (doesn’t include Bens Roof for example)
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Needs the apostrophe to get Ben's roof
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Though would be really handy if punctuation could somehow be ignored in the search?
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Though would be really handy if punctuation could somehow be ignored in the search?
Yeah can sort this out.
This does look like a great idea. Personally not sure why you would need to browse by crag but it might look better. Just being able to type in what you want and it’s there is great.
I too noticed some obscurities where there and lesser obscurities were not. Stanton in the woods seems to be missing for example
I've just added the missing Stanton in the Woods climbs.
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I really like this. Fantastic work.
Noticed one small bug (maybe) when searching for Fish Arete just to try it out. It only appeared in the search after I added a space after 'Fish', is that because it only displays the top so many results. Just confused me a little at first, but maybe that is the only way it could work.
Cheers. Yeah it only displays the top 5 results, will try and make this more obvious.
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Personally not sure why you would need to browse by crag but it might look better. Just being able to type in what you want and it’s there is great.
Living in the South West and climbing in esoteric areas most stuff doesn’t have videos. It’s a bit tiresome searching one problem after another, only for each of them to come up as having no video.
It would be great if you could click on a crag, then scan down the list of problems to see which do and do not have videos - would save loads of time and (for me at least) mean that I am much more likely to use the site.
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Personally not sure why you would need to browse by crag but it might look better. Just being able to type in what you want and it’s there is great.
Living in the South West and climbing in esoteric areas most stuff doesn’t have videos. It’s a bit tiresome searching one problem after another, only for each of them to come up as having no video.
It would be great if you could click on a crag, then scan down the list of problems to see which do and do not have videos - would save loads of time and (for me at least) mean that I am much more likely to use the site.
I Guess in areas such as yours this makes sense but would it just honeypot the problems already done? I guess you South Westies need to get your cameras out a bit more!!
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Absolutely blinding idea. I'm adding my videos right now.
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Another improvement suggestion. I was searching for a problem called Isis at Sheigra in Scotland. But it is only finding things called 'Crisis' and displaying them. I'm sure its there because other problems in the area are there too, but there are too many problems with Crisis in the name. Maybe have exact matches come up first?
Edit - still a really great effort and hopefully grows into a brilliant resource.
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I've added missing problems. Should be pretty extensive now. Let me know if you find anything missing and I'll look into it.
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Another improvement suggestion. I was searching for a problem called Isis at Sheigra in Scotland. But it is only finding things called 'Crisis' and displaying them. I'm sure its there because other problems in the area are there too, but there are too many problems with Crisis in the name. Maybe have exact matches come up first?
Edit - still a really great effort and hopefully grows into a brilliant resource.
Yeah good suggestion have changed the search so the results are ranked. Should work a bit better hopefully.
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Absolutely blinding idea. I'm adding my videos right now.
:)
Though would be really handy if punctuation could somehow be ignored in the search?
Should ignore punctuation now.
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For the search, could it instant display the top x results, then if you hit enter (and maybe add a 'search' button) it'd take you to a search results style page with all the available results?
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For the search, could it instant display the top x results, then if you hit enter (and maybe add a 'search' button) it'd take you to a search results style page with all the available results?
Yeah good idea, will add a "view all results" if there are more than those shown.
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Accidentally added a video twice and don’t see a remove video button?
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Accidentally added a video twice and don’t see a remove video button?
I didn't want to put a remove button that anybody can use, but I can do it so if you are the uploader of the video you can remove it?
(Edit: In the meantime I've removed the duplicate)
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Good idea! I've added what small offerings I have.
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Is there anyway the database could handle problems with multiple names? I'm thinking at Wimberry, for example, a lot of problems have two names. Enhancing hero = elephant slab, take cover = flakes of concern etc.
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Accidentally added a video twice and don’t see a remove video button?
Okay has an edit and remove button for things you've added now.
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Is there anyway the database could handle problems with multiple names? I'm thinking at Wimberry, for example, a lot of problems have two names. Enhancing hero = elephant slab, take cover = flakes of concern etc.
It's possible to do but think in practice would be hard to get the data for this? Guess it'd just have to be added by hand.
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Thanks, this is great! Shame I live stateside now. Any intention to expand over here in future. So many of the beta videos in Colorado are on Instagram...
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Thanks, this is great! Shame I live stateside now. Any intention to expand over here in future. So many of the beta videos in Colorado are on Instagram...
Yeah for sure! Will see how it goes for just the UK first though...
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This is great!
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Brilliant. Easy to upload. Easy to search.
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Great effort! Can we add problems or just videos?
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Great effort! Can we add problems or just videos?
Thanks. Just videos for now, but being able to add problems is on the list of things to do!
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Great idea, I've just added my videos
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Great idea, I've just added my videos
Cheers!
Noticed one small bug (maybe) when searching for Fish Arete just to try it out. It only appeared in the search after I added a space after 'Fish', is that because it only displays the top so many results. Just confused me a little at first, but maybe that is the only way it could work.
For the search, could it instant display the top x results, then if you hit enter (and maybe add a 'search' button) it'd take you to a search results style page with all the available results?
I've added a way to view full search results now.
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Nice one, thanks!
I don't know what language you've written it in, but if it's python based I'd love to get involved if there was some way for me to help out. Just drop me a message on here.
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beta version suggestion - rating / voting of videos in order of most useful for beta, so best comes up first? Some are great, some are no use at all!
Otherwise, brilliant job!
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beta version suggestion - rating / voting of videos in order of most useful for beta, so best comes up first? Some are great, some are no use at all!
Otherwise, brilliant job!
Or maybe a best lanky / short arse version?
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lol
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beta version suggestion - rating / voting of videos in order of most useful for beta, so best comes up first? Some are great, some are no use at all!
Otherwise, brilliant job!
Yep on the list of things to do!
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Is there anyway the database could handle problems with multiple names? I'm thinking at Wimberry, for example, a lot of problems have two names. Enhancing hero = elephant slab, take cover = flakes of concern etc.
It's possible to do but think in practice would be hard to get the data for this? Guess it'd just have to be added by hand.
I guess it is not going to be that many problems overall. Just noticeable at certain crags. Probably half the problems at Wimberry have an alternative name.
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Is there anyway the database could handle problems with multiple names? I'm thinking at Wimberry, for example, a lot of problems have two names. Enhancing hero = elephant slab, take cover = flakes of concern etc.
It's possible to do but think in practice would be hard to get the data for this? Guess it'd just have to be added by hand.
I guess it is not going to be that many problems overall. Just noticeable at certain crags. Probably half the problems at Wimberry have an alternative name.
Okay well once I've added the ability to add problems that are not in the database I'll look into it properly.
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In a similar way to bleau info, would there be a way to have a time stamp for videos with multiple problems?
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In a similar way to bleau info, would there be a way to have a time stamp for videos with multiple problems?
There is this already! (Hopefully working!)
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Good job Ed, I'll upload some Cornwall stuff, should have time ;)
I'm sure it won't be an issue, but I notice with 8A.nu when people log a problem, new or otherwise, but with different spellings it will show up as different problems. Could this be an issue with your site?
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Hi Ed, if I'm putting a video off YouTube that has two (or more) problems on it, how do I identify those problems? In my techno ignorance I was about to put the same vid up twice...
Sorry if this is a daft question.
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Hi Ed, if I'm putting a video off YouTube that has two (or more) problems on it, how do I identify those problems? In my techno ignorance I was about to put the same vid up twice...
Sorry if this is a daft question.
On the "Add Video" page you can add as many problems as you want for one video by clicking the "add another problem" button.
If you select a problem with no videos from the searchbar it will take you to the add video page with the first problem already filled out.
Hope that helps, I tried to make it intuitive but if I can change something to make it more obvious let me know.
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Cool idea. Is there any way you can lookup a crag, then browse through to see which problems have got videos?
A nested site structure based on geography would be great, maybe taking county and crag level data so crags and areas are easily navigable
I've added crag pages.
You can search for crags in the search bar now and then see what problems at a crag have videos.
Can maybe do country/region too, will think about it.
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Hi Ed, if I'm putting a video off YouTube that has two (or more) problems on it, how do I identify those problems? In my techno ignorance I was about to put the same vid up twice...
Sorry if this is a daft question.
On the "Add Video" page you can add as many problems as you want for one video by clicking the "add another problem" button.
If you select a problem with no videos from the searchbar it will take you to the add video page with the first problem already filled out.
Hope that helps, I tried to make it intuitive but if I can change something to make it more obvious let me know.
I figured that out no probs Ed.
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Hi Ed, if I'm putting a video off YouTube that has two (or more) problems on it, how do I identify those problems? In my techno ignorance I was about to put the same vid up twice...
Sorry if this is a daft question.
On the "Add Video" page you can add as many problems as you want for one video by clicking the "add another problem" button.
If you select a problem with no videos from the searchbar it will take you to the add video page with the first problem already filled out.
Hope that helps, I tried to make it intuitive but if I can change something to make it more obvious let me know.
That's great, thank you.
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Hi Ed, if I'm putting a video off YouTube that has two (or more) problems on it, how do I identify those problems? In my techno ignorance I was about to put the same vid up twice...
Sorry if this is a daft question.
On the "Add Video" page you can add as many problems as you want for one video by clicking the "add another problem" button.
If you select a problem with no videos from the searchbar it will take you to the add video page with the first problem already filled out.
Hope that helps, I tried to make it intuitive but if I can change something to make it more obvious let me know.
That's great, thank you.
No worries.
Hi Ed, if I'm putting a video off YouTube that has two (or more) problems on it, how do I identify those problems? In my techno ignorance I was about to put the same vid up twice...
Sorry if this is a daft question.
On the "Add Video" page you can add as many problems as you want for one video by clicking the "add another problem" button.
If you select a problem with no videos from the searchbar it will take you to the add video page with the first problem already filled out.
Hope that helps, I tried to make it intuitive but if I can change something to make it more obvious let me know.
I figured that out no probs Ed.
That's good to know - I definitely worry that things only make sense to me because I designed it and have been stuck in my own bubble of ideas, so any feedback is either reassuring or useful!
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I'll upload some Cornwall stuff, should have time ;)
Please do! Always good to have some local videos for inspiration and beta.
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I've added crag pages.
You can search for crags in the search bar now and then see what problems at a crag have videos.
Great - thanks!
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over 1800 vids on the first day is impressive, good job everyone, esp Ed.
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Great work Ed, nice and simple looking.
2 things that would maybe add something?
1. The top 5 new videos on the front page - maybe show the problem name and crag? (if it's instabang it doesn't show).
2. If you've found a problem by searching, but don't know where it it is, a way if navigating up to the crag page would be good.
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Is there any way in which videos could be automatically muted when they start playing?
If a video contains more than one problem, and assuming that they have been added to the site, is there a way to see what the other problems are?
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Great work Ed, nice and simple looking.
2 things that would maybe add something?
1. The top 5 new videos on the front page - maybe show the problem name and crag? (if it's instabang it doesn't show).
2. If you've found a problem by searching, but don't know where it it is, a way if navigating up to the crag page would be good.
1. Yeah good idea, will do something like this
2. You can do this, but I've made the crag name more obviously clickable now.
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Is there any way in which videos could be automatically muted when they start playing?
If a video contains more than one problem, and assuming that they have been added to the site, is there a way to see what the other problems are?
I'll look into muting, but on desktop you can mute the whole site through the browser to stop anything from having sound. Is this a problem on mobile?
Not currently, but want to do this.
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This is great! Is there any way to handle instagram posts with multiple videos? E.g. https://www.instagram.com/p/B9XFJw-DbCm/
Could maybe just add it as a comment.
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This is great! Is there any way to handle instagram posts with multiple videos? E.g. https://www.instagram.com/p/B9XFJw-DbCm/
Could maybe just add it as a comment.
I have looked into it and I think not easily unfortunately, probably commenting "second video" or something is best.
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Lesson here in IT development and having a robust functional spec produced upfront ;)
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Lesson here in IT development and having a robust functional spec produced upfront ;)
...which then gets thrown in the bin as soon as some real users get their hands dirty and it turns out the person who wrote the spec had no idea what they were doing ;D
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This is brilliant good work! :goodidea:
Just a couple of ideas?
I noticed whilst uploading my videos that if you have clicked add problem but don't add any details when you click Add Video it tells you to remove blanks but it actually removes everything and goes back to the blank add video form. Just a bit annoying when you have added a couple of problems with time stamps etc.
Just personal habit but i am pasting the URL in then hitting tab, it goes to the problem name box but you can't start typing you have to click in the box first. Tiny thing really I just have a habit of using key board nav rather than mouse especially on a laptop with a track pad.
Otherwise seems good.
Thanks again
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This is great! Is there any way to handle instagram posts with multiple videos? E.g. https://www.instagram.com/p/B9XFJw-DbCm/
Could maybe just add it as a comment.
I have looked into it and I think not easily unfortunately, probably commenting "second video" or something is best.
I was wondering the same thing. The added comment is a good fix. Could be worth putting in some guidance text in the comments box (the kind that appears in grey and disappears when the user clicks the box to start typing?).
Also, what I'd love to see is a catalogue of what's been uploaded. It's really useful now for finding beta for a specific problem, but if I wanted to scan down a list of what there was at a particular crag to see what piques my interest, that would be useful. Maybe have an index page of simple text which groups the problems with videos into crags and orders the crags in alphabetical order?
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This is brilliant good work! :goodidea:
Just a couple of ideas?
I noticed whilst uploading my videos that if you have clicked add problem but don't add any details when you click Add Video it tells you to remove blanks but it actually removes everything and goes back to the blank add video form. Just a bit annoying when you have added a couple of problems with time stamps etc.
Just personal habit but i am pasting the URL in then hitting tab, it goes to the problem name box but you can't start typing you have to click in the box first. Tiny thing really I just have a habit of using key board nav rather than mouse especially on a laptop with a track pad.
Otherwise seems good.
Thanks again
Cheers. Yeah both of these need sorting, will get on it.
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This is great! Is there any way to handle instagram posts with multiple videos? E.g. https://www.instagram.com/p/B9XFJw-DbCm/
Could maybe just add it as a comment.
I have looked into it and I think not easily unfortunately, probably commenting "second video" or something is best.
I was wondering the same thing. The added comment is a good fix. Could be worth putting in some guidance text in the comments box (the kind that appears in grey and disappears when the user clicks the box to start typing?).
Yeah will do this!
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great idea! I will get linking problems when I see them
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Is there any way in which videos could be automatically muted when they start playing?
If a video contains more than one problem, and assuming that they have been added to the site, is there a way to see what the other problems are?
I'll look into muting, but on desktop you can mute the whole site through the browser to stop anything from having sound. Is this a problem on mobile?
Not currently, but want to do this.
Forgot to mention in my last post but this is great, well done for putting this together.
Muting the site works for desktop chrome but sadly doesn't appear to for the mobile version. I was only wishing to avoid accidentally blasting someones questionable musical choice whilst at the crag/alerting anyone else present at the crag that I was cheating.
Is there any problem with adding a video that someone else has already added if they have missed problems off when adding it?
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Is there any way in which videos could be automatically muted when they start playing?
If a video contains more than one problem, and assuming that they have been added to the site, is there a way to see what the other problems are?
I'll look into muting, but on desktop you can mute the whole site through the browser to stop anything from having sound. Is this a problem on mobile?
Not currently, but want to do this.
Forgot to mention in my last post but this is great, well done for putting this together.
Muting the site works for desktop chrome but sadly doesn't appear to for the mobile version. I was only wishing to avoid accidentally blasting someones questionable musical choice whilst at the crag/alerting anyone else present at the crag that I was cheating.
Is there any problem with adding a video that someone else has already added if they have missed problems off when adding it?
Ah cheers, glad you like it.
Yeah will look into muting.
Nope shouldn't be a problem in doing that.
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Ace idea, and website works well for me on chrome :2thumbsup:
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This might be a stretch - but when adding a vid - if when pasting in the url, it could look up the vid and auto suggest the problem (assuming the video title starts with the problem name) then that would be neat!
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A small question. I have great footage of the beta on Danny’s problem original at the plantation. Sadly the friend didn’t quite finish it instead falling out of the gaston move. I wondered whether I should post it up and the beta is sound? What would you lot do?
As a slight justification for adding it whilst looking at the plantation I watched the videos for the Joker and one chap didn’t even top it out (there was a little snow on the top mind)!!
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A small question. I have great footage of the beta on Danny’s problem original at the plantation. Sadly the friend didn’t quite finish it instead falling out of the gaston move. I wondered whether I should post it up and the beta is sound? What would you lot do?
As a slight justification for adding it whilst looking at the plantation I watched the videos for the Joker and one chap didn’t even top it out (there was a little snow on the top mind)!!
Yes - it’s useful. Maybe write something in the comments to say that its incomplete
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Just personal habit but i am pasting the URL in then hitting tab, it goes to the problem name box but you can't start typing you have to click in the box first. Tiny thing really I just have a habit of using key board nav rather than mouse especially on a laptop with a track pad.
So there is a problem with tabs on the Add Video page.
I can get it so you can type automatically without selecting but you can't tab to the next input.
This is apparently a known bug in the autocomplete plugin I'm using, will look into it further.
I've sorted a few things out, working on various suggestions, some might take a little while to get working.
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When I try and tag Jess's Roof in a video it doesn't seem to come up in the drop down options? I did check how it was spelled this time!
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Great idea! I'll definitely add any vids I have.
If we're doing feature requests, any chance of a search api / predictable urls? I'm currently building a site for my local area and it would be cool to link through to the relevant problems. Be nice to be able to do this programmatically and not have to hardcode all the links.
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When I try and tag Jess's Roof in a video it doesn't seem to come up in the drop down options? I did check how it was spelled this time!
Get the same with boomerang at clodgy?
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In these circumstances of being stuck at home with not much to do, I have built a website:
https://www.betadb.org/
Good effort!
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Just personal habit but i am pasting the URL in then hitting tab, it goes to the problem name box but you can't start typing you have to click in the box first. Tiny thing really I just have a habit of using key board nav rather than mouse especially on a laptop with a track pad.
So there is a problem with tabs on the Add Video page.
I can get it so you can type automatically without selecting but you can't tab to the next input.
This is apparently a known bug in the autocomplete plugin I'm using, will look into it further.
I've sorted a few things out, working on various suggestions, some might take a little while to get working.
Nice one!
Another thing I noticed earlier, either i've been a bit of a numpty and uplaoded the same video twice or someone else has uploaded one of mine (someone else has, I just checked and can only edit one of them). It was for help the young. It therefore looks like there are more videos for that climb than there actually are, maybe it can filter out videos that have already been uploaded?
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When I try and tag Jess's Roof in a video it doesn't seem to come up in the drop down options? I did check how it was spelled this time!
Have sorted this now.
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Coming up to 2k videos now Ed. You should be chuffed. Effort.
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Have sorted this now.
That works better now. I don't mind sharing how we do the name matching on UKC but would appreciate a reply to our emails first ;)
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2K reached!!
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Nice one!
Another thing I noticed earlier, either i've been a bit of a numpty and uplaoded the same video twice or someone else has uploaded one of mine (someone else has, I just checked and can only edit one of them). It was for help the young. It therefore looks like there are more videos for that climb than there actually are, maybe it can filter out videos that have already been uploaded?
So I think the problem with this is if someone has uploaded a video but not tagged all the climbs, it'd be good to have the ability to add the video again with the remaining climbs. I guess the best solution is to be able to add a problem to an existing video.
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Great resource, nice work :2thumbsup:
Another suggestion - how about recruiting a few volunteers to keep it tidy before it grows much larger (when it'll become harder to keep in order). For e.g. when I search by area: 'Wales' most stuff (e.g. Parisellas) doesn't come up.
(haven't read the thread so apols if this is already happening)
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Nice one!
Another thing I noticed earlier, either i've been a bit of a numpty and uplaoded the same video twice or someone else has uploaded one of mine (someone else has, I just checked and can only edit one of them). It was for help the young. It therefore looks like there are more videos for that climb than there actually are, maybe it can filter out videos that have already been uploaded?
So I think the problem with this is if someone has uploaded a video but not tagged all the climbs, it'd be good to have the ability to add the video again with the remaining climbs. I guess the best solution is to be able to add a problem to an existing video.
I ran into this last night when I was going through some of Dave Sutcliffe's Vimeo videos. Some of his videos are documenting new problems or other things that haven't been picked up by the scraper for whatever reason. So for the one that I linked to with Jess's Roof in it, I still put it up but just referenced Dick Hymen. Does this mean I now can't add the video again but link to Jess's Roof? Or I could do but if I link to Dick Hymen again the video will appear twice in the Dick Hymen entry? Seems like an issue that should be fixable with some validation processes.
BTW, if you're contributing videos and not putting the time stamp on, then :chair: :jab: :whip: :spank:
We have in our hands a great opportunity to skip sponsors logos, morning coffees, and driving to the crag montages. Let's not fuck this up (it's a nightmare to sift through this stuff when at a crag with crap data reception).
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Great resource, nice work :2thumbsup:
Another suggestion - how about recruiting a few volunteers to keep it tidy before it grows much larger (when it'll become harder to keep in order). For e.g. when I search by area: 'Wales' most stuff (e.g. Parisellas) doesn't come up.
(haven't read the thread so apols if this is already happening)
"area" here is roughly equivalent to "crag". Don't have countries added yet but considering doing so.
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I ran into this last night when I was going through some of Dave Sutcliffe's Vimeo videos. Some of his videos are documenting new problems or other things that haven't been picked up by the scraper for whatever reason. So for the one that I linked to with Jess's Roof in it, I still put it up but just referenced Dick Hymen. Does this mean I now can't add the video again but link to Jess's Roof? Or I could do but if I link to Dick Hymen again the video will appear twice in the Dick Hymen entry? Seems like an issue that should be fixable with some validation processes.
You can add the video again if you want. There's no check on duplicate urls at the moment. I do want to sort this out though.
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BTW, if you're contributing videos and not putting the time stamp on, then :chair: :jab: :whip: :spank:
We have in our hands a great opportunity to skip sponsors logos, morning coffees, and driving to the crag montages. Let's not fuck this up (it's a nightmare to sift through this stuff when at a crag with crap data reception).
So I was guilty of this... Sorry.
I've just been going through and putting time stamps on them though and I see someone had already done some for me. (the beaver ones) Cheers!
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It appears my "quoting" could do with some work too...
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Nice one!
Another thing I noticed earlier, either i've been a bit of a numpty and uplaoded the same video twice or someone else has uploaded one of mine (someone else has, I just checked and can only edit one of them). It was for help the young. It therefore looks like there are more videos for that climb than there actually are, maybe it can filter out videos that have already been uploaded?
So I think the problem with this is if someone has uploaded a video but not tagged all the climbs, it'd be good to have the ability to add the video again with the remaining climbs. I guess the best solution is to be able to add a problem to an existing video.
Agreed in this case there was only one problem on the video albeit being done by 2 people.
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Noticed one (could be more) IG posts that were uploaded that were pictures not videos..
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Noticed one (could be more) IG posts that were uploaded that were pictures not videos..
It might be possible to check for this, but it's not obvious how to do it. Something for further down the line I reckon!
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Noticed one (could be more) IG posts that were uploaded that were pictures not videos..
If the post has a picture and a video assigned but the picture first in the post it will show the picture first, but have the option to scroll to the video is there (noticed this on one of my housemates videos which had been uploaded) is this the case on the one you noticed?
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On the homepage where recently uploaded videos are shown, is it possible to add a link to the problem(s), crag(s) and any timestamps for each video?
Instagram posts typically don't include the problem name or location unless you leave the site and open the original post in Instagram.
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On the homepage where recently uploaded videos are shown, is it possible to add a link to the problem(s), crag(s) and any timestamps for each video?
Instagram posts typically don't include the problem name or location unless you leave the site and open the original post in Instagram.
Yep going to do this!
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The thing I mentioned before - the index of problems with videos is actually already addressed in kind. If you search for a crag you can pull up a list of the problems ordered into those with vids and those without which is dead useful.
Is there a way to link to Instagram stories - sometimes people upload beta that way.
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Is there a way to link to Instagram stories - sometimes people upload beta that way.
I think stories are only viewable if you have an account?
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I was just looking at Robin Hoods Stride videos and on the vid of Picallis pickle won’t play saying that there is a copyright issue.
Also, in the same area the video for the ‘dynamic cave problem’ says it needs a password. Are people uploading videos that cannot be viewed?
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I was just looking at Robin Hoods Stride videos and on the vid of Picallis pickle won’t play saying that there is a copyright issue.
Also, in the same area the video for the ‘dynamic cave problem’ says it needs a password. Are people uploading videos that cannot be viewed?
Have removed both.
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Is there a way to link to Instagram stories - sometimes people upload beta that way.
I think stories are only viewable if you have an account?
And don't stories generally disappear after 24hrs?
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Is there a way to link to Instagram stories - sometimes people upload beta that way.
I think stories are only viewable if you have an account?
And don't stories generally disappear after 24hrs?
Some of them seem to get archived into different categories (food I ate; photos of me sunbathing; look at me climbing; etc) which can be reviewed for longer.
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Just to say well done for this ace site! Great job. This will be so useful and I really like the slick and simple layout.
Will you refresh the problems list fairly regularly? For example, I just uploaded a bunch of stuff to UKC that I did in Sheigra in the North-West of Scotland.
Keep up the good work.
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Also will it always be indexed to UKC? I guess that’s a way of trying to keep consistency with names. Have also just added a new problem to UKC although not yet verified.
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Also will it always be indexed to UKC? I guess that’s a way of trying to keep consistency with names. Have also just added a new problem to UKC although not yet verified.
Wouldn't want to speak for Ed, but I think it'd be very tricky to merge another problems list so sticking with UKC as a source seems sensible.
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Makes sense!
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I'm sorry to say that I've shut down the site.
UKC were not happy with me using their data and I was not happy with the collaboration they were wanting.
I have other things that need my attention now and the stress of dealing with it all was taking a big toll on my mental health, which I just cannot sacrifice further by dealing with legal action.
Thanks to everyone who took time to contribute and provide feedback, I'm really sorry that it's had to end like this - it's not a decision I've taken lightly.
Ed
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What a shame Ed, it was brilliant while it lasted.
Pity they were not being amenable, especially as the data is not technically "theirs" as it has been sourced from many different places.
It was a brilliant effort anyway
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Sorry to hear that Ed, we think this is a real shame. I was looking forward to working with you on this.
We first approached Ed last week after we became aware of the project. Since it was similar to something we have been working on for the UKC logbooks, we were keen to see if we could combine efforts, however we did need to establish permission to use our database. Ed was slow to respond but, when he did, we explained the situation and increased our offer to open up our database. This was inline with what many have requested on this thread: to link the database so that new problems only need to be entered in one location. It would have also maintained consistent names and areas. Unfortunately Ed didn't want to collaborate although we have never had a discussion as to what shape the collaboration would take since we have only received two short emails from Ed despite making ourselves fully available for discussion.
If you have a change of heart and want to get it going again then we would be happy to work with you and the offer we made remains open.
For people's information, The Copyright and Rights in Databases Regulations 1997 - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/3032/contents/made assigns copyright to the effort of creating the database, not the data itself, which is mostly uncopyrightable facts like route names. At UKC we have never claimed we own data, just the database it is assembled in. It also assigns responsibility to protecting that database in both upkeep and when and where it is used. In this case we bent over backwards to try and make something that would work but we had to do something since, if we didn't, we would have been neglecting our responsibility to our database which would have left it open to use by significantly more commercial concerns than Ed.
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Well done anyway Ed. You should be well proud of what you’ve done and achieved 👍👍
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that's a shame, it is a great idea and held promise. Well done regardless Ed, fantastic effort :2thumbsup:
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Sorry to hear that Ed. Take a break from it and have a look back once you've had some time to decompress. Hope you're alright.
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Sorry to hear that Ed, we think this is a real shame. I was looking forward to working with you on this.
We first approached Ed last week after we became aware of the project. Since it was similar to something we have been working on for the UKC logbooks, we were keen to see if we could combine efforts, however we did need to establish permission to use our database. Ed was slow to respond but, when he did, we explained the situation and increased our offer to open up our database. This was inline with what many have requested on this thread: to link the database so that new problems only need to be entered in one location. It would have also maintained consistent names and areas. Unfortunately Ed didn't want to collaborate although we have never had a discussion as to what shape the collaboration would take since we have only received two short emails from Ed despite making ourselves fully available for discussion.
If you have a change of heart and want to get it going again then we would be happy to work with you and the offer we made remains open.
For people's information, The Copyright and Rights in Databases Regulations 1997 - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/3032/contents/made assigns copyright to the effort of creating the database, not the data itself, which is mostly uncopyrightable facts like route names. At UKC we have never claimed we own data, just the database it is assembled in. It also assigns responsibility to protecting that database in both upkeep and when and where it is used. In this case we bent over backwards to try and make something that would work but we had to do something since, if we didn't, we would have been neglecting our responsibility to our database which would have left it open to use by significantly more commercial concerns than Ed.
For what it's worth I found that a thoroughly reasonable post, obviously without knowing Ed's side or the details.
Ed, great effort setting it up, hope you stay well and you can always look at it again down the line.
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That's a real shame Ed, the site was great and it was only getting bigger and better.
Take care of yourself.
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Well that is a real shame and I can't help but feel really disappointed for Ed and all of the hard work he put in.
The BetaDB site is surely what UKC have been wanting to add to their site since video was added to the photo section for each crag and presumably ultimately to each problem/route.
It does feel a little bit of sour grapes on UKC part that a young man on his own managed to get it up and running before they did and they were worried that the BetaDB site would be receiving a lot of traffic that they feel they should be receiving.
As has been said a lot of those problem names were added by a fair amount of the users of this site.
Ed could you not just have the site that we as users populate with vids and the names of the problems as well. I know more room for error and miss-spelt problems and duplicates etc but if you grouped them by crag it might be a bit easier for people to scan through. Just feels like the big losers are the climbers that would have saved a load of time and effort by having the page and Ed maybe missing out on some advertising revenue.
Good luck Ed take care there is certainly enough to be worrying about at the minute and Paul if UKC aren't going to let anyone else do it, bloody hurry up and get on with it or employ Ed to do it!
Gutted! :wavecry:BetaDB
Macca
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... or employ Ed to do it!
That was part of the offer we made to Ed.
Alan
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Probably too late - but one of my suggestions I didn’t post last week would ha w been a BetaDB search widget or embedable search box. So sites like UKC could have the functionality but within a search box or frame from/for the BetaDB site. Or something like that...
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Wouldn’t a collaboration with Peakbouldering.info have been viable?
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Alan
I thought it might have been, shame it didn't work out but im sure Ed has his reasons.
Over to you :goodidea:
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Just found this which is the same idea but US focused. Has an international section where you can add climbs and crags so no cross-site infringement. Works with ig and youtube/Vimeo:
https://www.betacache.com/
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Wouldn’t a collaboration with Peakbouldering.info have been viable?
Would be good for the peak (obviously) but I think you'd run in to problems pretty quickly if you wanted to expand the scope. Trying to merge lists of problem names is hard (misspellings, different names from different guidebooks, differences between crags etc).
Also I don't think Ed is based in the peak, so kinda annoying to run this cool tool that doesn't have any of his local problems in it.