[cofe]

i've done some scanning on internet but with no joy so far. here's the problem:

i get pretty fierce pain on back of left knee (plus just above and below) when heel hooking or pressing down hard with left foot. i think it started on trackside as i've started doing it with the heel method and i'm probably not warmed up enough when on it. then a session on mossatrocity really finished it off. it's prone to seizing up if i'm in same position for a while (e.g. driving) and it can be fucking painful on some stuff (yes i know i should therefore avoid 'some stuff').

has anyone had anything similar or can anyone recommend anything to help sort it? any help much appreciated. ta.

[dobbin]

Oooh! I have just the same thing - only my pain is just at the bottom of my left buttock. Like you, no pain now, no pain doing most things, but hurty and weak heel hooking/clawing with left foot. Exacerbated by >1hr drives.

I know where i got it from too - dick williams. Felt it tear and hobbled for about a week but have run and biked with no pain since.

[Bonjoy]

Oooh! I have just the same thing - only my pain is just at the bottom of my left buttock. Like you, no pain now, no pain doing most things, but hurty and weak heel hooking/clawing with left foot. Exacerbated by >1hr drives.

I know where i got it from too - dick williams. Felt it tear and hobbled for about a week but have run and biked with no pain since.

So actually totally different to cofe's knee injury . Jibing aside, I get the same thing as you, only in my eye...no really I get the same thing, I think it's hamstring injury, first caused by a tear I picked up trying Sole Power.

[Norton Sharley]

Try Paul Wilson at Sheff Chiro Practice in Woodseats (aka the Butcher of Woodseats) - ex para sport physio.

It'll be painful but it works. 

As recommended by Fatdoc.

[The Sausage]

Ay up Cofe...

Knee injuries are piss to diagnose by any half competent physio. Did you do it rocking your weight onto the heel and pushing up? if so, more than likely a meniscus/cartilage injury. If you did it pulling straight with your heel, it could well be hamstring/gastroc tear. What specifically makes it hurt? When you say 'pressing down hard with the left foot', do you mean pushing down with your toes? Does it hurt if you try to pull your heel to your bum but resist the movement with your hand? Does it hurt in a fully bent position/standing from a deep squat on that leg only?

If you don't want to pay for a physio, go to minor injuries at the hallamshire and tell them how you did it and say it's really bad etc... you should get a self-referral for physiotherapy so you can just ring up and make an appointment. Although I wouldn't say for many climbing injuries the NHS is the best place to be, they'll be able to deal with a straightforward knee injury no probs.

[Baron]

Just been diagnosed with "tight hamstrings'. Very similar symptoms to you Cofe - right in the back of the Knee, particularly bad up/down stairs and down hills, or when pushing down hard on the pedals of the bike. Tends to hurt most as my knee moves through about 45 degrees bent. Been ongoing for ages actually. Refered to a physio, but I'm convinced I need an MRI and that I've torn something. Rest and attempts to gradually strength the knee haven't really worked for me. Yet.

To sum up, the advice I've been given - sort yourself out with some quality stretches and RICE it baby.

[The Sausage]

woah there buddy! You can't get a diagnosis without someone actually looking at your knee. If you think it's an actual injury that isn't going to go away in a few days, get some professional advice. I'm more than happy to have a look at it, but i'm away until monday. PM me and i'll meet up with you early next week. See you.

[Baron]

Ah ha! Well, I've been seen by a surgeon working under Jed (or is it Jez?) Brown, a knee specialist at the Northern. The diagnosis is theirs I guess.

Very kind offer though sir, thank you. If I didn't have an appointment with their clinics physio coming up I'd jump (perhaps hop) at the chance to come see you. But I would have to insist that you wore purple lycra shorts, no shirt and a medallion.

[cofe]

thanks joe. it hurts when pressing down with toe when tension is involved, e.g. spanned out in roof with leg straight, but it's hooking/pulling with left heel that really sets it off. think i did it bad pulling straight with heel...but hard to say really. i certainly know what problems i did it on.

cycling is not too bad. i'm trying to do some mtb at the minute and it seems largely ok except for occasional steep bits where have to put power down. if i aggravate it one day stairs can be quite hard work the following day. likewise long walks over uneven ground.

do you have 20mins free next week joe to check it out?

[fatdoc]

Try Paul Wilson at Sheff Chiro Practice in Woodseats (aka the Butcher of Woodseats) - ex para sport physio.

It'll be painful but it works. 

As recommended by Fatdoc.

Word.

[cofe]

Try Paul Wilson at Sheff Chiro Practice in Woodseats (aka the Butcher of Woodseats) - ex para sport physio.

It'll be painful but it works. 

As recommended by Fatdoc.

Word.

thanks boys. seen paul tonight. pretty optimistic shit but i swear to god i've not been in that much pain for a fucking long time

[slippery_matt]

I've had a dodgy knee for a while now (ligament and cartiladge damage playing football years ago), it hasn't been a problem climbing until last week when I was climbing an arete; leaning round the corner for the next foot it just popped out like it has done in the past.  In the past though, it's only ever 'gone' when taking an impact of sorts (not static as happened last week), even running's done it in before! 

Fortunately, i'm not on crutches again, but what sort of exercises and stuff can i do to help strengthen it up?

[GCW]

ligament and cartiladge damage

What ligament do you refer to?  If you have an ACL rupture it will alter your treatment somewhat.

[slippery_matt]

ligament and cartiladge damage

What ligament do you refer to?  If you have an ACL rupture it will alter your treatment somewhat.

Its the cruciate ligament, however (after a quick google search) I'm not sure if its the anterior or posterior.  I presume 'ACL' is anterior cruciate ligament..?

[GCW]

Yes, that's what ACL is.  Sounds like you need physio to see if you can get it stabilised.

[slippery_matt]

bugger.

[GCW]

If it's your ACL, reconstruction can be an option.  This will depend on a lot of factors.

Who (and how) diagnosed your injury?  When?  What treatment have you had?
And if it was the typical footballer injury with a bit of twisting, your cartilage is also prone to having been torn.

Usual internet diagnosis- take with a pinch of salt, see someone that knows.

[slippery_matt]

Originally when i did it in I went to the hospital and had a 'robert jones' bandage put on me for a week or two. It was a re-occurring problem for a while after that so had an MRI scan and a bit of physo.  I think they talked about keyhole surgery but i can't really remember 'cos i was quite young (must be at least 7 years ago now) all went over my head a bit.

Yep, guess i'll have to go see someone proper.  Always try to avoid that till I really need to see someone tho! 

Cheers for the advice!

[GCW]

ACL rupture is associated with earlier onset of arthritis in the knee.  ACL reconstruction doesn't reduce this risk, but it gives you stability so you have better function when you are young.  It's a long slog with physio rehab though, so you need to be committed.

Go and see a dedicated knee surgeon.  If you live in the NW I can give you some names.