Do you think that risking losing access to someone's local crag (possibly after months of negotiation) rather than just being a bit careful or buying something cheap is admirable behaviour?
Or do you take exception to me exempting foreigners from that, simply because where I see this behaviour it's in the UK? I suspect, human nature being what it is, that I'd see the same if I lived elsewhere but I don't.
Gee, I wish I could visit this wonderful land where continental sorts levitate up problems without recourse to chalk, but I don't think I'll be able to.
Its great that your highlighting the access issues, but I think you may have lost perspective by ranting on and on about chalk when there are turds lying around.
We were discussing this in Font the other week and agreed that chalk on holds from people climbing on them actually looks good ..
Thing is my opinion or yours are of no importance in Albarracin. According to 'Grimper' (crap translation by me) what matters is "climbing is now regulated by decree 1146 of the 26 Mar 2007, available in Official Journal 45 of the region of Aragon of the 18th April 2007"" a strict set of rules which must be followed to the letter if you don't wish to ,in the first place incur an astronomical fine but also more importantly, condemn the site to a final & definitive closure"
Was climbing with Jackie Godoff last month at Font and he had a chalk bag
Don't try to say you were only pointing out journalistic differences when you have written the statement that British climbers are scum.
Quote from: Jaspersharpe on April 21, 2008, 01:16:01 pmDon't try to say you were only pointing out journalistic differences when you have written the statement that British climbers are scum.Sorry to be rude but I can't be bothered with this any further except to point out that I didn't' say that.
Quote from: Dylan on April 17, 2008, 03:32:34 pmAt the end of the day it is a situation that can only be sorted out by the locals with mediation They appear to me to have done so (resumably after a great deal of work)& made a simple & easily complied with request but you think people would rather lose access than modify theur behaviour slightly.Scary thing is from what I see on sandstone & at Bleau you're probably right. God climbers (at least brit climbers) are scum!
At the end of the day it is a situation that can only be sorted out by the locals with mediation
I said (in response to Dylan's comments that climbers wouldn't change their behaviour to preserve access)that climbers ( I should have written in general but assumed it was obvious) are Scum.
God climbers (at least brit climbers) are scum!
Scary thing is from what I see on sandstone & at Bleau you're probably right. God climbers (at least brit climbers) are scum!
I think you are misquoteing me here. I didn't say that climbers wouldn't change their behavior. I pointed out the rather more pressing issue of litter/shit at the crag.
Quote from: slack---line on April 21, 2008, 02:03:09 pmQuote from: i.munro on April 17, 2008, 03:36:23 pmScary thing is from what I see on sandstone & at Bleau you're probably right. God climbers (at least brit climbers) are scum!You started off general, and specifically singled out British climbers as being scum.No (read it) I specifically exempted others from my description because of lack of evidence.
Quote from: i.munro on April 17, 2008, 03:36:23 pmScary thing is from what I see on sandstone & at Bleau you're probably right. God climbers (at least brit climbers) are scum!You started off general, and specifically singled out British climbers as being scum.