[fatdoc]

:twisted:

right, no vrrooooom moaners here......

I was awesomed by the drive to matlock via a set of "getting lost soemwhere in the peak roads" from the roaches.....what glorious roads

slightly influenced by an onform bubba that really knows to throw that impreza about a bit....that sports suspension is mega - and yes I'm having it too!!!

so, what gem bits of "sport road" do you use to spank those motors......

- more news just in-

watch out for the speed trap on that long hill near cromford.....

stoney car park also, including midweek!!!

seriously considering the GPS download scanner...£350 apparently...anyone got info / experience???

Fatdoc.

[Bubba]

Heh heh, and that wasn't even going fast as it was on completely unfamiliar roads  :D

Would have been better in the dry, but it must be said, there's some good empty roads up there between Leek & Matlock.

So, you're gonna have bigger wheels than me now? Time for me to get that chip sorted  :wink:

[fatdoc]

:shock:

errrmmm......right....I'll chip aswell...you first, and where exactly are we going to get these monsters serviced???

jon.

[Bubba]

The new place is called the Subaru Service Centre and I've got the number from the scoobynet forum. I'll ring them tomorrow and see how much cheaper a service is there. Bet they don't do courtesy cars mind.

I'm not really going to bother with the chip I don't think, I might as well wait on and get a turbo late next year (licence/cash allowing) - fingers crossed. Now they've dropped the price of the bugeye, the classics should drop again too. I'm going to get the classic shape I reckon - faster and more fun apparantly, and they look much better.

Here's a pic of the 2003 one - better than the bugeye, but still an ugly bastard.



I've driven round that corner - it's at the Nurburgring and fuckin' terrifying  :shock:  - you have to drop the car down into it and first time it's like driving into a big bowl. I was in a hired Astra with my ex - trashed the poor car - chewed tyres, clutch nearly dead, bouncing it off the rev-limiter in a bid for speed - a right laff  :D

[Bubba]

where exactly are we going to get these monsters serviced???

Just rang the Subaru Service Centre (0114) 2798111.

45k service will be £252+vat, as opposed to £375+vat from Triangle. Quite a difference. They don't do a courtesy car, but will do it Sat am.

The blokes who run it took the Bentley's service dept from them when Bentley's gave up the dealership and are both trained scooby mechanics

[Bubba]

Eeek! Found this today...try not to do this!



* PS The guy cut his foot but walked away.

[Norton Sharley]

What's that corner called on the 'Ring?

Hired Astra, you pussyfoot.  I can just picture this poor Astra bottoming out having dropped the Bubba weight.  You want to try it on a bike, specially when you pop out top a bit early and drift towards the wonderful run off area.  

P.S. Saw Patter in Kalymnos and he still blames you for planting the 'Blade!  Punter.

[Bubba]

It's the Karussel (Carousel). People get their knees down there on bikes - scary as fuck I'd imagine, and as you say, the run off is negligable. Bit like the rest of the ring really.

Hired astra was all we had to hand - it was mad, we raced a Golf GTD for a whole lap and it was cornering on 3 wheels for most of the lap. Some of the tightening downhill bends were "interesting" as we drifted round them only vaguely in control - fuck knows how we didn't spin it out and eat the barrier.

Patterson - I hope you're reading this  :D  Just coz I did a perfectly legitimate passing move on you going through Chris Curve does not make me responsible for you highsiding the Blade, you nutcase. I think the problem was really you getting all red misted up and grabbing a handful of throttle trying to catch up with my superior skilled ass through the Gooseneck  :poke:  :!:

We fookin' warned you about those tyres and not to ride a Blade like a 400!

[mark]

Hey kids. Treat the Gooseneck with respect. Even the most talented and daring riders have been caught out there! Twice.

[Bubba]

Heh, heh! Is that the same talented rider who crashed going in a straight line on Stoney Ridge  :mrgreen:

[mark]

And I would've gotten away with it if it hadn't been for that pesky pheasant!

[Bubba]

I'm not really going to bother with the chip I don't think

Sorry FatDoc, I've been baaaaaad! After reading more reports on the subarusportsters (turbo wannabees) yahoo group about how the chip makes quite a difference, I've been and gone and ordered it - two weeks today. Stupid boy, when will I learn?

[fatdoc]

are ya getting it in sheff?

I'm going for wheels, tyres and suspension at TSL tomoz....they guarentee me perfect alignment as a result......

will do service next month - am curently losing cash fast - 1st day out doin proper MTB yesterday, on new bike!

[Bubba]

There's a guy who'll come round and do at your place for no extra charge which is great - about a 1.5 hour job apparantly. It'd better make some difference.

You'll have to devise the twistiest way home from TSL - it'll feel like a different car - everyone raves about TSL, they do the same mod for turbos too.

BUY GTA Vice City - it's amazing  :D

[fatboySlimfast]

nah anh nah nah, wat you geezers want is a nice g reg vauxhall nova merit with a full 1200 cc of grunt under the bonnet, off dull white with nice trim of green moss on the window seals, leaking boot, inability to start in the morning and a rocking top end of 32mph up chesterfield road to top it all...............................
I really must buy a new car
my mtb costs more than my car did :wink:

[Bubba]

I thought the Nova had expired !

So, now you, me, Undeground and FatDoc have all got mountain bikes again, we going to get out one day if the weather's too shitty for bouldering??

[fatdoc]

first day out on MTB this w/e needed full set of new brakes and shoes..slimfast's bike looked as bad...also got stonger brake tensioners...slimfast sandbaggd me into track that horses were failing to get up- I woz attempting to go down it - 2 head overs and lacerated calves..nice.

great too wet to climb sport  - cant believe never got into it before!

on the chip - I've been chatting to TSL - it'll give oyu 5-10bhp...BUT does not remap the engine  - just alters the amount of fule it chucks in by aunregulated %. the engine will then burn wet and need more reular servicing..

far better ( so TSL say)to get large air intake filters (last forever ) and differnt fuel mangement system (£85)... will give you 5 bhp AND 10% reduction in fuel consumption - as the vacuum for fuel intake is constantly adjusted...i think it's one of their oddities

I'm well up that - and they have guarenteed for life(your no the cars) pipes that are quiet (ish)...my 17inch low profiles are OK for noise expt on the motorway, which I now rarely use......

So. no chip for me then - I've played eith one at TSL, £150 is too much for 2 diodes and 3 capacitors!! (yep!! to took the back off) , they charge £350 - what are you buying??? Be acarful with emissions in conjunction with that beast of a pipe!!!


If the weather is poor at the weekend then lets MTB....be gentle with me though - I'm a bit slow (did long line in a oner today and thought my head was gunna blow off!!) and prone to falling off a lot!!!

[Bubba]

on the chip - I've been chatting to TSL - it'll give oyu 5-10bhp...BUT does not remap the engine  - just alters the amount of fule it chucks in by aunregulated %. the engine will then burn wet and need more reular servicing..

I think it depends what chip you buy. The one I'm getting doesn't alter fuelling at all, but controls ignition timing "on the fly" (it runs much faster than the ecu) so that the spark always fires at exactly tdc, thus ensuring optimal ignition under all conditions.

to get large air intake filters (last forever ) and differnt fuel mangement system (£85)... will give you 5 bhp AND 10% reduction in fuel consumption -

I'm sure that'd help as well - and the TSL pipe is meant to be good but still loud.

...be gentle with me though

That's not what you were saying when we had you strapped down over that boulder the other week doc... :wink:

[fatdoc]

I'd be up for that sort of chipping if it makes a difference...i 'll await the verdict.


  Will the subauru boys at the wotsit in town service/repair these tinkered with little devils? the suspension matters little as it's regarded as a safe mod...but chips and pipes are a bit different??? most importantly will they take chips / pipes off before insurance assessors come around???

hard question to breach I suppose.....

weather looks like it's an mTB job @ the weekend -cant do sunday (oli's 1st bday) and working sat a.m.....looking like sat p.m for me then... :shock:

[Bubba]

Yeah, the scooby specialists will do 'em all, including imports.

Best off notifiying your insurance really. The chip can easily be removed, but the other mods I've told them about - didn't cost much more anyway.

MTB Sat if the weather is shite  

[Norton Sharley]

Boys, boys, boys .... and their bloody toys,

Nice to speak to you again Jon, how's things?

So you boys can fix bodies and write fancy computer programs but clearly know sod all about engines.  If I could work the "quote" thingy properly I bung em in but being a simple engineer I cannot, so here's what to avoid;

firing at tdc:  no engine is mapped to fire at tdc, least of all powerful ones.  The spark fires before tdc to ensure that the 'explosion' in the cylinder occurs at tdc therefore creating max power  

Bunging extra fuel into the engine (running rich) does not create more power, just buggered valve seats = v expensive services (not altogether a problem for you boys)  :x

Sticking on a big fat pipe lets more air through the engine and therefore runs the engine lean which leads to a delay in combustion similar to retarding firing vs tdc.  To correct this the ignition needs to be run richer.

The amount of air able to be blown through the pipe is subject to the amount that is sucked through the air filter, so you really need to boost both.  High flow filters are a total bargain in performance terms.

Naturally aspirated engines have a certain ability to 'remap' themselves due to the vacuum and venturi effects therefore you can bang a big pipe on a carburated engine and as long as it doesn't misbehave too much be ok.

The myth of injection engines being able to remap themselves is bollocks (eg. GSX-R's with big pipes), they just remap to the best position they can which is away from BEF (best efficiency [also = power] point) and therefore just run worse.

So if you put on a pipe you really need to remap to suit.  If you chip (remap) don't then change your pipe after.  If you've got anything to put in your pipe, please send it up here.

P.S. If your mtb brakes are struggling buy some hydraulic discs, well recommended, especially for muddy Scotland :!:

P.P.S.  Surely if you wan't to be going faster you should be looking at the bends, ie. brakes and geometry and if you want to know about engines ask a bloody engineer not a butcher or nerd, here endeth the sermon :twisted:  :twisted:

[Bubba]

Oooohhh! get her!!!! Chill muthafucka! Just coz you're nort and sharley, ho ho!!!

Ok, the tdc thang was lifted from a review page of the chip, so fairy snuff if that's wrong, but anyway, you get the picture - the chip changes the ignition timing, not the fueling.

A lot of people would disagree with you about filters - they don't offer that much increase in performance, and some actually reduce performance. Anyway, I've got the fat pipe & the filter as it makes sense to get air in and out as fast as possible. As you know, my gsxr with the race pipe has been chipped accordingly, and by TTS who should know what the fuck they're doing, I'm sure you'll agree.

P.P.S. Surely if you wan't to be going faster you should be looking at the bends, ie. brakes and geometry

Yeah, that's why the first thing I had done was stiffer, lower springs and a geometery setup by Scooby experts TSL (who prepare world rally cars btw) - alright  :!:  And yes, it feels like a different car to the original. The EBC Greens will be the next and final mod. Handling first, power later.

Anyway, despite all the above, I had the chip fitted today and now the car is noticably quicker, all through the range. It feels much smoother, and a couple of times I've been caught in a higher gear than I thought I was in due to the extra drive. The best is between 3.5 to 4k revs - a nice increase and just much more drivable. So, anyway, whatever the engineering details, it works, though not as much as on the Bimmer 325.... so put that in yer pipe Norton, yer gnarly Yorkshire git  :wink:  :D

[Norton Sharley]

Twas not meant as criticism, oh paranoid Bubba, merely advise.  Course you Scooby stockist knows more than I, just avoid the Sales crap is all I'm saying :roll:   I seem to remember some advise about saving £5k not buying a turbo and spending the money on sensible mods  :?:  :?:  :!:  

[Bubba]

Me, paranoid?? Never.... stop looking at me like that!

I dunno, although the car is now great to drive, better than anything else I've owned, I still want a turbo when funds/license allow. You can get Jap import WRX's that are chucking out 280bhp  :shock: , a few years old and about 9k - makes sense if you can insure them. Apart from the power, turbos have more rubber, much better brakes, and better diffs.

Having said that, I'm still loving this car and don't understand why you don't see more of them about.