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#875 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
January 28, 2016, 11:35:08 am
Good knowledge!

Assume the Tete de Vertet is the top of the Veret drag lift? Its not marked.

what does "par a concied" mean?

And I can't see the Colonney on the piste map, where abouts is it?

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#876 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
January 28, 2016, 11:48:37 am
Good knowledge!

Assume the Tete de Vertet is the top of the Veret drag lift? Its not marked.

what does "par a concied" mean?

And I can't see the Colonney on the piste map, where abouts is it?

Tete de Veret is indeed the top of the Veret Lift. The route is shown here:



My "Best Run Ever" was from the Tete de Balacha down the south face to the Col de Plate chairlift but this is very conditions dependent and avalanche prone. It hold small spines and is a big slope above a cliff band with numerous couloir exits through with varying degrees of difficult. I was also with local legend Serge Cornillat (http://freerideworldtour.com/riders/serge-cornillat) who epitomised style and "flow". Despite being a skier, watching him made me want to learn to board.

"par a concied" means I'm typing quickly whilst having a coffee whilst at work. It also means "bar a corniced entry"!

Tete du Colonney is in the Flaine bowl, near Tete du Lindars (far right of the piste map). You'd go up the Eggs (Aup de Veran), then either start from the top of the eggs or take Lindars up and cut skiers left on the run down to start higher.

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#877 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
January 28, 2016, 11:54:39 am
Awesome thanks. Looks like a run off Pelouse first would be a good option to scope out options for entries and exits coming off Veret and Balacha.

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#878 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
January 28, 2016, 12:08:55 pm
Awesome thanks. Looks like a run off Pelouse first would be a good option to scope out options for entries and exits coming off Veret and Balacha.

The Gers bowl is massive and despite lots of people gunning for it as soon as it opens, it takes a long time to track out so even if you only go in from Pelouse, it's still really good. The entry from Verwt is obvious though, there are two open gullies and you can see all the way to the drag lift out. There's no significant danger. From further along it starts to get tricky.

If anyone is heading out and wants more info, I could mark up and scan my map and probably give some grid refs for entry points.

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#879 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
January 28, 2016, 10:31:58 pm
Thanks all, some great knowledge for my Samoens and Grand Massif trip; I'll see if i can tempt a few others from the group to do a bit of off piste based on this info and depending on snow conditions.

SA Chris, I see what you're saying now about snow conditions in Scotland, heard that it got very warm and wet last week though it looks like the next few days may repair quite a bit of the damage.

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#880 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
January 29, 2016, 09:11:49 am
Freezing level looks like it's pretty low right now, and it's a bit sleety right now at sea level so hopefully be some more to come. If you are interested http://www.winterhighland.info/general/ is a good source for info.

Hope snow lasts until I get back from France! Last few winters the gully skiing has been good until April, so hopefully be a late season again.

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#881 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
January 29, 2016, 09:16:42 am
Cheers for the link Chris; if the snow improves in Scotland and there is a lot of fill in on the gully's like you say, there may be a road trip in the pipeline as a few from my running club are keen to get up there.

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#882 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
January 29, 2016, 09:22:25 am
Cool, let me know if you head up.

The new(ish) Ski Mountain Guides are handy if you are after inspiration.

http://www.skimountain.co.uk/ski-guidebooks

British Backcountry on Facebook is good for trip reports too.

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#883 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
January 29, 2016, 11:24:49 am
Cool, let me know if you head up.

The new(ish) Ski Mountain Guides are handy if you are after inspiration.

http://www.skimountain.co.uk/ski-guidebooks

British Backcountry on Facebook is good for trip reports too.
Will do, those guidebooks look good too thanks, might just get one of them and in turn give me an excuse to splash some money on a split board :)

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#884 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
January 29, 2016, 11:50:17 am
There's a second hand thread on British Backcountry - splitties do come up there sometimes.

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#885 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
January 29, 2016, 11:57:36 am
There's a second hand thread on British Backcountry - splitties do come up there sometimes.
Cheers I'll take a look

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#886 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
January 29, 2016, 03:15:04 pm
There's the massive Cascade run off the back all the way down to Sixt, which is apparently ace, but I've never done as you need to get a bus back to Samoen. Maybe one to do as last run of the day and stop in Sixt for some food, cool little place. There's a new high speed lift from Verclan as well which cuts down queues.

Cascade is a lovely scenic run but the skiing is average and it can get quite icy. A nice way to break it up is to eat at the Gite du Lac du Gers. My last season there was in 2005 so this might be a little out of date but……here’s a phone by the piste, give them a bell, they come down with a skidoo, grab a rope and they tow you up to the Gite. Lovely three course set menu lunch then ski down all the way to Sixt. The skiing in Sixt is actually quite good if the snow’s there.

If the snow is good the Gers bowl is the jewel in the crown of off-piste. The best runs in aren’t form Tete Pelouse but form the Tete de Verte. Take the Veret drag up, walk along the crest and there a multiple entries in to the Gers bowl. The first two are the most popular and par a concied entry, are the easiest. Further along the ridge gives increasing challenge of access and run (cliffs to avoid, the odd no fall zone).

I’m not sure if you like touring/hiking at all but the Tete du Colonney makes a nice little morning outing.

Several years ago we stayed over night at Gers then down the Cascade in the morning. We then spent the rest of the day skiing at Sixt. I think this was on my second ever skiing trip so I found an icy Cascade quite challenging only second to doing it on a hard tail mountain bike.

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#887 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
February 09, 2016, 11:48:00 am
Well our plans were scuppered a bit. We went to Samoen but due to high winds the link to Flaine was closed so no Gers bowl or anything like that. Did score some fresh off some of the north facing ridges, but it was mostly tracked out. Did score great fresh tracks every other day of the trip, one day was one of the best I've ever had. Even got on skis and had a crack at some freshies, good fun!

Anyone who is off to the Alps over the next week or two is going to score more snow than they can eat, looks to be dumping down.

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#888 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
February 09, 2016, 12:27:29 pm
Not snowboarding but involves the white stuff and is pretty cool...


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#889 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
February 09, 2016, 12:41:29 pm
It's pretty cool, saw it last week. intrigued to know how he keeps the phone upright and pointing at him.

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#890 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
February 09, 2016, 12:55:09 pm
intrigued to know how he keeps the phone upright and pointing at him.

Subscribe to his channel, says on the YouTube page that a "making of" is due out soon (also mentions it took him two years to film it how he wanted, so a fair bit of trial and error likely went into it). 

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#891 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
February 09, 2016, 01:04:04 pm
Might try it surfing with the go pro! Softer landing for the camera.

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#892 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
February 09, 2016, 01:30:43 pm
Well our plans were scuppered a bit. We went to Samoen but due to high winds the link to Flaine was closed so no Gers bowl or anything like that. Did score some fresh off some of the north facing ridges, but it was mostly tracked out. Did score great fresh tracks every other day of the trip, one day was one of the best I've ever had. Even got on skis and had a crack at some freshies, good fun!

Anyone who is off to the Alps over the next week or two is going to score more snow than they can eat, looks to be dumping down.
Fly first thing on Saturday morning though having to fly to Paris and drive (don't ask). Will be in Samoens from Saturday night for a week though so hope your prediction of endless snow is true! How did you find getting back on skis?

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#893 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
February 09, 2016, 02:18:45 pm
This is usually pretty accurate;

http://www.snow-forecast.com/resorts/Samoens/6day/mid

Freezing level is a bit high, but you should be able to make the most of the higher lifts.

I usually try and get a day on skis if it's hard packed pistes only, but we had fresh snow every day and the penultimate day it started out sunny and then got more and more snowy as the day progressed, so was ideal to get used to skis on the pistes and then deal with the snow as it deepened. Mate who was with me has instructed in the past so was great for giving out pointers. By the end of the day I managed 3 black runs in reasonable style, in pretty crappy visibility, with a few inches of fresh towards the en of the day. I think lightly moguled runs with some fresh on the top it's easy to get down them though, but it's enthused me to get out touring and try some steeper pitches.

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#894 Re: snooooooooooooowboardin
February 09, 2016, 03:19:04 pm
Cheers Chris, sounds like you were doing great on the skis by that reckoning. I'm tempted to hire some again next week to see how I get on.

I use snow forecast quite a bit but tend to find they over estimate totals so often use in conjunction with the chamonix meteo written forecast if in that part of the Alps which at least also has some human input as opposed to just modelled data.

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#895 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
February 09, 2016, 03:34:51 pm
I started out skiing (pre snowboards!) and even when i started snowboarding more than skiing (when I worked in the US) I still kept the skiing up as I think it's a lot easier for touring, and this year committed to upgrading my touring kit (goodbye Beta Rides!) so keen to do a bit more up here if the weather allows.

http://www.myweather2.com/Ski-Resorts/France/Samoens.aspx?sday=0&eday=7

http://www.myweather2.com/Ski-Resorts/France/Samoens/snow-report.aspx

Is a pretty good source too.

Good Luck!

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#896 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
February 09, 2016, 05:29:41 pm
I still kept the skiing up as I think it's a lot easier for touring

I've never skied. but am tempted to learn - if we ever get a decent winter again - because it's so much the superior option for touring.

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#897 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
February 09, 2016, 06:26:22 pm
Have considered it, and it has the plus that it wouldn't involve sacrificing a winter or two learning to ski. But it's a lot of faff, and seems less suitable for a lots alpine terrain. I'm not thinking about things like traverses above death drops - have no intention of doing those anyway - but more that lots of alpine tours involve long approaches/exits on forest roads with extensive bits of flat or uphill where rebuilding back into skinning mode would be a huge pita.

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#898 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
February 09, 2016, 07:07:36 pm
Have considered it, and it has the plus that it wouldn't involve sacrificing a winter or two learning to ski. But it's a lot of faff, and seems less suitable for a lots alpine terrain. I'm not thinking about things like traverses above death drops - have no intention of doing those anyway - but more that lots of alpine tours involve long approaches/exits on forest roads with extensive bits of flat or uphill where rebuilding back into skinning mode would be a huge pita.
The transition becomes very easy - I've never been any slower than friends on skis.

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#899 Re: snooooooooooooowboarding
February 09, 2016, 08:27:56 pm
I's not so much the one transition per day I'm concerned about, as about chunks of flattish/undulating terrain where I'd either have to transition again or get off and walk, making a combined day out with skiers impractical & frustrating for all concerned.

For example, I talked to a mountain guide who organises and leads a "Tyrol Haute Route" trip. He said (a) I'm not good enough anyway - I value honesty in a guide - but also (b) parts of it, notably the Valsertal between Hintertux and Brenner, are basically not feasible on a board. And he's a good snowboarder.

 

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