[Jim]

I think my main complaint with it is, that for something of its size, it should contain at least double the information. I don't want a part 2. I don't want a fucking downloadable pdf to have to print out with my printer that I don't own. I want to buy a yorkshire bouldering gritstone guidebook, with all the good gritstone bouldering in yorkshire, in one volume, with accurate grades and that's been proof read by someone without cataracts. Is it really that much to ask?

The reality is I'm going to pay £35 for a 2 part, incomplete, inaccurate, guide

[Jim]

[nathan wind]

I think my main complaint with it is, that for something of its size, it should contain at least double the information. I don't want a part 2. I don't want a fucking downloadable pdf to have to print out with my printer that I don't own. I want to buy a yorkshire bouldering gritstone guidebook, with all the good gritstone bouldering in yorkshire, in one volume, with accurate grades and that's been proof read by someone without cataracts. Is it really that much to ask?

The reality is I'm going to pay £35 for a 2 part, incomplete, inaccurate, guide

word.

[dave]

Check out Jan 28th

http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/

same old mick eh. just goes to show a leper can't change its spots.

[nathan wind]

my my, is this a photo of dave 'internet tough guy' buchannn

[GCW]

Opinions about Steve Dunning's new guidebook to Yorkshire Gritstone Bouldering that we previewed at UKClimbing.com (link) are creating a lot of noise at the bouldering forum, UKBouldering.com.

So far the guide has generally been well received and has sold over 800 copies since publication.


The controversy starts at page 8 of a thread entitled "Yorkshire Grit Bouldering Guide" when someone going under the name Moose writes a critical review. Some agree and some disagree, one poster going under the name of 1000.dave says that the guide is "better than any previous Yorkshire bouldering guide ten times over," but then says that he is leaving the forum for good.

You can take a look at the argument yourself, (link), but as usual always take what is written with a pinch of salt. Better to judge Yorkshire Gritstone Bouldering yourself by nipping down to your local climbing shop and having a look at a copy.

Nice one Mick.  If it's all to be taken with a pinch of salt, "as usual", is it really "news"?  Or is UKC desperate for more shit to stir stories?
Pick up a p-p-p-p-p-punter point.

[Jaspersharpe]

But of course everything on UKB has to be taken with a "pinch of salt". Unlike the insightful, informative discussions over on UKC.............

http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=282853

 

[Fiend]

My £2.00

1. Reviews in this thread have been very useful. Although sometimes harsh I don't think any of them have been trending into flaming territory - the criticisms have been about aspects of the guidebook. And I think they should be answered as such.

2. 1000000.dave - I went to Ceuse with him a couple of years back, and I found him to be a cool guy, good to climb with, fun, excitable and good banter. Had a good laugh with him, Cookie and Ted. It's a pity he's reacted like this and turned this thread into such a battle, but I guess some people don't do the internet very well.

3. mick ryan is still a cunt. Mick when you read this to gloatingly check how much you've interfered: Stop fucking around sticking your spanner in the works and trying to inflame the situation even more with these bullshit non-news items, and instead how about posting the Scottish new routing article I sent to you fucking months ago.

[GCW]

mick ryan is still a cunt

Is this the new UKB T-shirt slogan?
Somehow I don't think your article will make it past the shredder now Fiend

I would agree though-  Offhand, I can't recall anything unfair (until page 8 ) being stated here.  There hasn't been any slagging, it's been a case of being disappointed the guide isn't all it could be.  All criticism has been constructive.
Also, I'm sure we all appreciate the effort that has gone into this guide.
We seem to be going in circles now.

[webbo]

i glanced at the guide last week.i was disapointed in that there was a lot of mistakes.things like traverses being described the wrong way round plus some places seem to have been graded either from memory or just looking at the topo.
if you have the old guide and look at johns site,you won't get much out of the new guide.however a big plus is that this guide makes me a better climber than i thought i was.

[dave]

mick ryan is still a cunt

Is this the new UKB T-shirt slogan?

I'd wear it. it would go nicely with my "the pope is catholic" shirt.

I was in tesco the other day and i thought i saw mick's name written on a loaf of bread - but when i had a closer look i discovered it actually just said "thick cut".

[Yossarian]

3. mick ryan is still a cunt.

becomes, "is mick ryan a cunt?"

and the reverse of the t-shirt follows with nibile's exclamation.

job done...

[Jaspersharpe]

Simple and brilliant.

[Fiend]

You don't want to soil "Yes yes fucking yes" really....it is a phrase - nay, a lifestyle - that transcends all this nonsense.

[GCW]

Nice one Big Frank, adding to the UKC shit pot.  Reply for our favourite cunt:

People will make their own mind up about the guide. Collectively, here and on UKB, is a review of the guide. Far better than getting someone with a vested interest or an axe to grind to write a review.

"I think to form an opinion it's better to buy it and read it in detail"

I agree Francis. I would add that it would be also better to use it in the field by someone who is not familiar with the areas.

Yes, Moose is an excellent writer.

"Better to judge Yorkshire Gritstone Bouldering yourself by nipping down to your local climbing shop and having a look at a copy."

Maybe it will be your shop. I hope so.

Also, whose idea was this?

PREVIEW: The New Yorkshire Grit Bouldering Guidebook

http://www.ukclimbing.com/articles/page.php?id=763

It would be mine.

That article has been viewed 1,690 times. Steve got a lot of sales from that article and link. He told me so when I spoke to him last week.

I think I will review the guide myself for UKC.

My qualifications. I started Rockfax. I have published seven USA guides. I'm the co-author of Bishop Bouldering (author of the Bishop Bouldering Survival Kit that sold 8,000 copies) and co-author of Islands In The Sky, the guidebook to Las Vegas and Nevada limestone.

I'm in Yorkshire now.

By the way I'm smiling.

Must crack on lots of work to do. Have fun.

All the best,

Mick

Smug git.  Another p-p-p-p-p-puntering, Mick?

[nathan wind]

god I wrote some toss last night.. I really should apologise and would like to take the opportunity to do so, here and now..

in my defence I should add I was intoxicated by a mixture of cheap ale and the buzz of sending such a cool problem..

when I set off for widdop yesterday (never climbed there, but visited once) I thought I'd take the new guide.. give it a go, try and believe in it etc etc..
got to hebden checked the map only to find minimal directions and no road numbers.. I swear I nearly threw the fucking thing out of the window..

I feel for Steve as the guide is getting a slating and its clear a lot of work has gone into it.. but for reasons that have been outlined plenty of times before, I dont rate it

[chappers]

did you find widdop then?

[nathan wind]

eventually... more by luck than anything else.. turned right at heptonstall and kept going! amazing crag though and a top day for me!

[chappers]

and...what did you get done???

[chappers]

oh yeah, ive not had a look at this guide, but i hear that the guy on the advert inside the cover is a sexy mo fo...

[nathan wind]

and...what did you get done???

red edge right and left
four square
splashdown
fight on black

 

[GCW]

Pool traverse and direct are very worthwhile, as is the wall left of Splashdown.  I need to go back for FO(t)B.  Always got the break easily but was too stretched to sort my feet.

[chappers]

and...what did you get done???

red edge right and left
four square
splashdown
fight on black

 

nice one. good day out! ditto, short crimpy wall round the corner from splash down is good stuff.

[Vitamin K]

Pool traverse and direct are very worthwhile, as is the wall left of Splashdown.  I need to go back for FO(t)B.  Always got the break easily but was too stretched to sort my feet.

I cannot for one moment believe that you were stretched when you got the break! That is just too unfeasible to put into words - it's pretty much job done by then. Go back immediately and get it done, I assure you the top is fine.

[GCW]

I plan to go when I recover from my battering.  I meant I was stretched when I got the break with my feet still on the ground