Quote from: granticus on July 10, 2010, 10:43:48 amI hope you didn't just mention the L-word Idol! Last time i checked it was in the stormrider guide?
I hope you didn't just mention the L-word Idol!
how come you cant go in the water? is it close to the socket as well?
Last time i checked it was in the stormrider guide?
It is ridiculously busy down here at the moment though, last week I counted 52 people in at Gwithian
Reply to Johnny BrownI liken it to spending your whole winter training and waiting for the right conditions to do a new problem which is as good as careless torque, that you have been quitely trying for years with a few friends before a uk B forum decided to run a thread on it, so that now every time you turn up to try it there are 50 other people doing the same and are not politely waiting for there go. See how you then feel about protectionism bullshit.
OK let's try and put a few things to bed.There is localism in surfing. "You can't surf here, get the f*ck out of the water, go home". BAD, fact, period. No one likes that stuff, there's no room for it in the sport or the culture. We see very little of it in the UK thankfully and on the rare occaisions it does happen it's usually just ego stroking and can just be ignored.Then there's fustration in the water or behaviour that's frowned upon that isn't as obvious. This does need acknowledging and exploring a little because what sometimes gets interpreted as 'localism' is actually a genuine and legitimate reaction to an infraction of some of the unwritten and not-so-obvious rules of surfing. As illustration.... Getting in the way - Paddling out to a peak and sitting on the inside in front of the take off or further down the line. This happens to everyone of course but there are repeat offenders.Pulling out of a takeoff on a wave that's well makeable - A relative beginner paddles for a wave who's got priority and just doesn't go, usually happens on slightly bigger days when commitment is needed. If you are paddling, go for it and don't pull back as soon as it looks scary.Paddling to the peak out of turn - Another common mistake, especially made by the newly competent surfer who's mastered the art of catching most waves and turning. Catch a wave, ride it well, all flushed with excitement and paddle enthusiastically straight out to the peak for the next one. Whoops. Should've have sat on the inside a while and let the others in the pack take their waves. Climbers who have turned to surfing are notorious for this behaviour I think because of an ingrained tick mentality. We climbers have a bad rep in North Wales because of this...These are all the equivalent of not cleaning boots, big tick marks, trying stuff that's way too hard, top roping hard sport routes on a tight rope and saying 'I did all the moves on x', dabs, standing on the matts close to the wall, using feet on a campus board. All the stuff we laugh about on here and sometimes turn away sn**gering about at the crag. That we then read about on the web when 'punters' talk about their visit to Malham, The Tor or the Plantation and say 'there were some locals who weren't very friendly'.I've just re-read some of what I wrote and I probably sound like a right twat but I've sat in the water in North Wales, Yorkshire, Scotland, Indo, Spain and the Canaries with climbers turned surfers who have managed to rub people up without realising - me included when I first started out.
I liken it to spending your whole winter training and waiting for the right conditions to do a new problem which is as good as careless torque, that you have been quitely trying for years with a few friends before a uk B forum decided to run a thread on it, so that now every time you turn up to try it there are 50 other people doing the same and are not politely waiting for there go. See how you then feel about protectionism bullshit.
That's what local knowledge means to me - not secrets. I'm not convinced surfing is so different.
I was also trying to say that its the behavior of the people who visit some of the out of the way places
Personally, I reckon I'll be heading to Ireland in preference to the NE because of my perception of the scene up there.
