Quote from: stone on January 22, 2024, 05:43:11 pmLike I said, many people are simply unaware that climbing on wet grit damages the rock.Spread the word about that.When you said this in response to my post a few weeks ago I was pretty stunned. I'm not really sure how you'd have missed this.
Like I said, many people are simply unaware that climbing on wet grit damages the rock.Spread the word about that.
I'm never going to get my head around some of the (imo, insane) responses on this thread so no point arguing about that. I'm intrigued by the notion that there are experienced climbers on here who didn't know about climbing on wet grit until recently though. It does rather beg the question of how!Stone, you say you didn't know you shouldn't climb on wet grit until Shauna was on Countryfile, which from a bit of googling I think aired around 2017 when she was in her Olympics cycle? Given you've been climbing so long I find that astonishing. I believe you but I would suggest you are the outlier of outliers.
topic split? (and deletion of Israel/Palestine posts??)
I wonder what catalysed the beginning of concern.
wet granite on a sea cliff is fine to climb on
I think the huge problem is the conflation between objecting to something that needs to stop so as to preserve the rock (ie climbing on wet grit) and people simply not finding the guy's style to their taste.Direct, private, courteous, communication is the way to let him know about wet grit preservation.Putting your own info out there is the way to educate wider about wet grit preservation (eg end your own videos with a word saying how you waited until all was dry to preserve the rock or whatever).If you don't like his style, then there are zillions of quiet, understated, bouldering youtubers to watch. Just move on to one of them.Regarding the whole neurodivergence discussion, my impression is that if someone has a clear medicalised condition (eg Down's syndrome) then almost everyone will be kind and accommodating towards them. If someone is judged as having "no excuse" then supposedly it is OK to be utterly vile towards them just for harmlessly being themselves. So this whole thing of endevouring to discern whether someone eg has some very slight manic grandiosity (so should be given slack) or "no excuse" and so should be subject to a "flogging" -that's what sickens me.
Regarding the whole neurodivergence discussion, my impression is that if someone has a clear medicalised condition (eg Down's syndrome) then almost everyone will be kind and accommodating towards them.
Can neurodivergent people also be complete bell ends...
Quote from: Andy W on January 23, 2024, 11:22:19 amwet granite on a sea cliff is fine to climb onuntil you pull on a flake that has its join to the rock saturated and it snaps off
Whether or not one human has climbed on a certain rock type in a certain location doesn't change the fact that water in any type of pore space, in this case secondary porosity induced by erosion, reduces the effective stress and therefore strength of the rock
Wet grit is impossible to climb and so unpleasant I’m not sure why anyone would do it to themselves. I was a Londoner during and post lockdown and even I knew not to climb on wet grit or sandstone so not exactly true blanket statement.
Being a Northumberland regular, my feeling at the time was that I couldn't really understand how wet grit would fare any better than wet sandstone so I wouldn't bumble around in the damp. Certainly there were plenty of trad parties carrying on after the rain had started (ie not just finishing the route they were on).
I mean there’s still the massive problem that trad instruction companies/guides still take people out regularly on the grit when it’s wet, ya always see them climbing 20foot crack at burbage north when it’s soaked. So bad.