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Or lack thereof. I basically never feel thirsty except for when doing sport and often feel like I have to manage water intake completely mechanically. Is there anything I could be doing in 'normal life' that might be contributing to/affecting this? I probably instinctively get 2 litres which feels like nowhere near enough for my body size and activity level and is presumably not optimal neurologically either.
 
Are you showing signs of dehydration, like is your urine colour ok? How much water people need seems to be v variable so would maybe look at symptoms rather than concentrating on an amount.

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MischaHY said:
Or lack thereof. I basically never feel thirsty except for when doing sport and often feel like I have to manage water intake completely mechanically. Is there anything I could be doing in 'normal life' that might be contributing to/affecting this? I probably instinctively get 2 litres which feels like nowhere near enough for my body size and activity level and is presumably not optimal neurologically either.

I'm similar - I usually have a couple of mugs of coffee in the morning and then nothing until gin o'clock in the evening. I usually do without any drinks during bouldering sessions, except if I'm outdoors and there's a slog of a walk-in. I wonder if it's hormonal - higher vasopressin levels than the norm, so you lose less water to urination?
 
Try not to drink just water when exercising as it just goes straight through system. Get some electrolytes in or at least some salt in there as well.
 
Adam Lincoln said:
Try not to drink just water when exercising as it just goes straight through system. Get some electrolytes in or at least some salt in there as well.
I think you’ve been reading too many sport drink adverts Adam. They drink mainly water in professional cycling without having to stop for a pee every 5 minutes.
 
moose said:
MischaHY said:
Or lack thereof. I basically never feel thirsty except for when doing sport and often feel like I have to manage water intake completely mechanically. Is there anything I could be doing in 'normal life' that might be contributing to/affecting this? I probably instinctively get 2 litres which feels like nowhere near enough for my body size and activity level and is presumably not optimal neurologically either.

I'm similar - I usually have a couple of mugs of coffee in the morning and then nothing until gin o'clock in the evening. I usually do without any drinks during bouldering sessions, except if I'm outdoors and there's a slog of a walk-in. I wonder if it's hormonal - higher vasopressin levels than the norm, so you lose less water to urination?
Google The water myth which explains why not everybody has to drink 2 litres of fluid a day.
 
webbo said:
Adam Lincoln said:
Try not to drink just water when exercising as it just goes straight through system. Get some electrolytes in or at least some salt in there as well.
I think you’ve been reading too many sport drink adverts Adam. They drink mainly water in professional cycling without having to stop for a pee every 5 minutes.

Thats bollocks

I dont believe road.cc mag is wrong.

https://road.cc/content/feature/123374-nutrition-tour-de-france-rider

https://www.welovecycling.com/wide/2018/07/05/the-bottle-what-do-the-pros-drink/

I dont believe for one minute tour de france competitors only drink water
 
Adam Lincoln said:
webbo said:
So they are pouring sport drink over their heads to cool down.

All i took from those articles was that they used electorlytes…. Which you said they didnt use?
I said they mainly use water. Road cc and other magazine type web sites are really just advertising stuff, how often do you see a bad review. They will have you using 4 gels an hour to do a 4 hour zone 2 ride.
 
Adam Lincoln said:
webbo said:
Adam Lincoln said:
Try not to drink just water when exercising as it just goes straight through system. Get some electrolytes in or at least some salt in there as well.
I think you’ve been reading too many sport drink adverts Adam. They drink mainly water in professional cycling without having to stop for a pee every 5 minutes.

Thats bollocks

I dont believe road.cc mag is wrong.

https://road.cc/content/feature/123374-nutrition-tour-de-france-rider

https://www.welovecycling.com/wide/2018/07/05/the-bottle-what-do-the-pros-drink/

I dont believe for one minute tour de france competitors only drink water
That road cc article reports that using too much salt can lead to fluid retention and weight gain.
 
webbo said:
Adam Lincoln said:
webbo said:
Adam Lincoln said:
Try not to drink just water when exercising as it just goes straight through system. Get some electrolytes in or at least some salt in there as well.
I think you’ve been reading too many sport drink adverts Adam. They drink mainly water in professional cycling without having to stop for a pee every 5 minutes.

Thats bollocks

I dont believe road.cc mag is wrong.

https://road.cc/content/feature/123374-nutrition-tour-de-france-rider

https://www.welovecycling.com/wide/2018/07/05/the-bottle-what-do-the-pros-drink/

I dont believe for one minute tour de france competitors only drink water
That road cc article reports that using too much salt can lead to fluid retention and weight gain.

I only mentioned salt if you cant afford electrolytes, or dont have any to hand. Anyway, ill agree to disagree with you about thirst.
 
I basically never feel thirsty except for when doing sport and often feel like I have to manage water intake completely mechanically. Is there anything I could be doing in 'normal life' that might be contributing to/affecting this?

Since passing my mid-thirties I find basic feelings like thirst, hunger, tiredness, etc are much less clear, and are increasingly experienced as grumpiness. I don't think there's a cure.
 
Johnny Brown said:
I basically never feel thirsty except for when doing sport and often feel like I have to manage water intake completely mechanically. Is there anything I could be doing in 'normal life' that might be contributing to/affecting this?

and are increasingly experienced as grumpiness. I don't think there's a cure.

Less interaction with rope techs will cure that
 
Our 8yo drinks barely 500ml a day. He goes for a wee in the morning and after school. Thats it. I know no other child like it.

Despite constant badgering he just isn’t interested in drinking (ie feels thirsty) and we have to sneak fluids in via lots of fruit, cucumber, extra milk in his cereal etc..

We’ve given up trying to make him drink and just accept that he’s - different!

On the other end of the spectrum - I’ve a friend who suffered a minor brain injury in a car accident and now feels perma thirsty! He’ll readily down a few pints of whatever is in front of him (water or beer) - insatiable thirst.
 
webbo said:
I said they mainly use water. Road cc and other magazine type web sites are really just advertising stuff, how often do you see a bad review. They will have you using 4 gels an hour to do a 4 hour zone 2 ride.

I'm sure they drink a lot of water (and dose bottles over their head when they have spare) but they're also using sports drinks. Also, when it's hot, you can see the salt rivers on their clothing. That's going to need to be replaced! I'm currently riding with a dietician who has worked with both AFL teams here in Adelaide and he didn't ridicule me searching the city to find some form of sports drink (I ended up with Staminade).

I think if you're consuming >90g of carbs/hr you're going to need to rely on sports supplements in some form, such as Beta Fuel (or Rocket Fuel). From SIS:

As an endurance athlete, meaning your events typically last more than two hours, you need to take in between 80-120g of carbohydrate per hour. The
Science in Sport Beta Fuel Dual Source Energy Drink delivers an optimised 80g of carbohydrate in a single, convenient isotonic fuelling solution with minimal risk of GI discomfort that enables you to maintain optimal energy levels.

There are videos online from team chefs (other than Sky) showing how to make these drinks yourself (with a soup cooker!). There are also videos of Harry Sweeney (EF) training and logging his carb consumption via his head unit (i.e. 1 bottle, 1 gel etc.) and it calculating whether he was on a deficit or otherwise. The recent EF video showed the team soigneurs hosing powder into many many bottles (that obviously doesn't mean they all get used) etc.

I was always quite resistant to gels as I just wasn't fond of the concept, but my mind was changed when I took one 10mins out from Hardknott and it was a revelation in how good I felt (good isn't perhaps the correct word, better may be fairer).

Anyway, how do you weirdos not consume at least 10 cups of tea/coffee to get through your working day? :coffee:
 
There’s a big difference in the carbs you need to consume if your racing rather doing the Wednesday ride with the other geriatric’s :lol:
 
webbo said:
There’s a big difference in the carbs you need to consume if your racing rather doing the Wednesday ride with the other geriatric’s :lol:

Absolutely, but there isn't a soigneur following me around with bottle/gels refill/replacements either. I'd suspect even starting in the coffee shop ( :coffee: ) and ending in the coffee shop ( :coffee: ) it's unlikely on my weekend rides I'm managing to consume anywhere near what's 'required' to replace my expended energy (or that I'm drinking enough).
 
Paul B said:
I think if you're consuming >90g of carbs/hr you're going to need to rely on sports supplements in some form, such as Beta Fuel (or Rocket Fuel). From SIS:

100g/hr using regular granulated sugar and pinch of sea salt is much easier on my wallet and avoids the nasty taste of synthetic flavourings found in commercial offerings.
 


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