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Paris Olympics 2024 Sport Climbing
June 24, 2024, 09:27:14 pm
Thought we should move to a new thread now the competitors are all qualified. All the info below is for Boulder+Lead combined - if you want to chat speed, feel free, but I'm not paying it much attention personally

Schedule:
Monday 5th August, 9am: Men's Semi final - Boulder

Tuesday 6th August, 9am: Women's Semi final - Boulder

Wednesday 7th August, 9am: Men's Semi final - Lead

Thursday 8th August, 9am: Women's Semi final - Lead

Friday 9th August, 9:15am: Men's Final - Boulder
Friday 9th August, 11:28pm: Men's Final - Lead

Saturday 10th August, 9:15am: Women's Final - Boulder
Saturday 10th August, 11:28pm: Women's Final - Lead

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June 24, 2024, 09:28:57 pm
For the benefit of anyone who doesn't follow comps too closely, but is keen to understand a bit before the Olympics (especially now there's significant GB interest), I've written a summary of the full list of qualified athletes. This will be lead/boulder only (I know nothing about speed), and I will almost certainly get some assessments incorrect, feel free to call me out on anyone I poorly estimate. To be clear: the expectations are mine, not theirs!

Overall thoughts:

MEN

Qualifiers from Bern World Championships

Jakob Schubert (AUT)
- The ultimate seasoned veteran - 235 IFSC comps, since 2004
- Bronze in Tokyo 2020
- 6 World Champs wins, 7 World Cup season wins, 23 World Cup wins, 52 total World Cup medals
- Despite being one of the oldest that's still at the top of the sport, and predominately a lead specialist, he's adapted relatively well to the new style of boulders so can score heavily in both rounds on his day.
Expectations for Paris: Would be bold to bet against him getting another medal.

Colin Duffy (USA)
- Finalist from Tokyo 2020 (finished 7th)
- Slightly stronger lead climber than boulderer, but has won a world cup in each discipline
- Very intense competitor, expect loud roars when he tops a boulder
Expectations for Paris: Decent shout at finals, would be a little surprised if he got a podium but he managed it to make it here!

Tomoa Narasaki (JPN)
- A dominant force in bouldering since 2016, only vaguely fading this last year or two
- Finalist from Tokyo 2020 (finished 4th)
- Has won 25 World Cups medals, including 7 golds
- Also 3 time world champion
- Known for mastering the dynamic style so prevalent in modern comps, he's lacking the endurance on lead routes but a hard set of boulders and a big performance on the lead wall will put him up amongst the top contenders
Expectations for Paris: I'd expect him to make finals but maybe not quite get a medal

Qualifiers from continental championships
   
Jesse Grupper (USA)
- Reemerged on the scene in 2022 after a few years out from IFSC comps
- Excellent year with 2 golds, 1 silver, 1 bronze across world cups
- One of the weaker boulderers to qualify (highest world cup position is 27th), but strong enough on the routes to make up for it somewhat on the right day.
Expectations for Paris: Personally I would say finals would be a big achievement

Toby Roberts (GBR)
- The Brit with the best chance of a medal
- Grabbed a bronze at the end of 2022 in Edinburgh (lead), before a gold in each discipline in 2023
- Good start to this season, with 1st+4th+7th from his 3 comps
- Proper all rounder, has produced brilliant fights on head walls, and cruised boulders that other climbers have had to really fight on
Expectations for Paris: Finals will be a minimum, I think he'll believe a podium is certainly possible

Sorato Anraku (JPN)
- Had an incredible 2023, including 5 World Cup golds and both overalls, in his debut season on the senior circuit
- Like Toby, a complete all rounder - he's started this season with a medal of each colour, from just 3 comps
Expectations for Paris: Would be a big surprise if he didn't make finals, and a podium is easily within his reach

Campbell Harrison (AUS)
- Unlikely to feature given the high calibre field surrounding him
- A few lead semi finals under his belt, none in boulder
- Decent continental results, albeit a significantly different quality of competition compared to the world cups
Expectations for Paris: None - less scope for an upset via speed like the old format, but if the lead round is hard, he may be able to sneak a place or two up the board

Mel Janse van Rensburg (RSA)
- Even lower expectations than for Campbell
- Never even come top 60 in a world cup
Expectations for Paris: Anything better than 20th in Paris is an amazing result (I know this sounds patronising, but the contrast between his CV and everyone else's is quite stark)

Qualifiers from OQS

Lee Dohyun (KOR)
- Dominated the OQS, with a 1st and a 2nd
- Shot to success post-covid, after very mediocre results previously
- Has made a good number of finals, with a few medals, across the last few years
- Slight shoulder tweak recently, not that you'd know if with the OQS result
Expectations for Paris: Finals is a realistic aim, outside shot at a medal

Sam Avezou (FRA)
- Part of an influx of young French climbers that have enjoyed great success on the world cup circuit recently
- Fairly regular finalist, with the odd medal too
- Fairly balanced lead vs boulder, can have good performances in either or both.
Expectations for Paris: I'm sure a final in front of a home crowd would be the target, and it's a reasonable one
 
Adam Ondra (CZE)
- Has actually never won an international comp in a combined format
- Collective wish: he gets the gold, hangs up the comp shoes, unclimbed rocks everywhere fear for their lives
Expectations for Paris: Would be a little surprised if he misses finals, but would also be surprised if he gets a medal.

Alberto Ginés López (ESP)
- Reigning Olympic champion - the surprise winner from Tokyo
- A real wild card: last year he went from 29th in Bern to 2nd in Laval, just two months later.
- Only one silver and two bronze from his world cups, but a few more lead finals in there too
Expectations for Paris: Huge huge shock if he retains the title, not even a strong shout for finals, but he's definitely one of the hardest to predict

Hannes van Duysen (BEL)
- Another with a good 2023, he's won a few medals in boulder and had recent comparative success in lead
- Very good on a slab
- As with some other of these young guns, more is surely to come in future (he's only 19...)
Expectations for Paris: An outside chance at finals

Paul Jenft (FRA)
- The second young French star (beating Mejdi Schalk to this spot, a bit of an upset IMO)
- WC finalist in both disciplines, including one boulder bronze
- Noticeably tall (as debated in this thread here) which results in some interesting beta
Expectations for Paris: Similar chance of being a home finalist to Sam.

Yannick Flohé (GER)
- A frequent finalist in both boulder and lead, with not many but a few medals to show for it
- Insanely powerful, with very strong fingers, a favourable set of boulders could really set him apart from the rest
Expectations for Paris: Potential to make finals, might struggle to get more than that

Hamish McArthur (GBR)
- A bit of a dark horse, he's not quite regained the heights he managed in 2021 with two finals and a medal at World Champs
- Good balance across the disciplines, probably a slight strength in lead
- Qualification clearly meant a huge deal to him, would hope he can harness that, enjoy the comp, and let that bring him some success
Expectations for Paris: Realistically I think finals would be a bit of an upset, but you never know

Sascha Lehmann (SUI)
- Multiple lead WC medals and wins, far less success in boulder
- Honestly I thought he was too single-disciplined to make it to Paris, but he manages to pull it round with great progress deep into the lead routes.
Expectations for Paris: Unlikely to make finals, too many people more well rounded climbers

Alexander Megos (GER)
- 9th in Tokyo, despite coming 19th in speed
- In comps, he has not quite replicated the rock form that you may know him for
- 9 World Cup medals, all in lead, over 7 senior seasons
- Less success in boulder, although still a good number of semi finals
Expectations for Paris: Another who will probably miss out on finals again

Luka Potočar (SLO)
- Another lead specialist!
- Far more experience on routes, with a world championship silver to go with a few other world cup medals
- Never made a world cup semi final in boulder
Expectations for Paris: Would have to have the boulder round of his life to get near finals

Pan Yufei (CHN)
- 14th in Tokyo, despite coming 20th in speed
- No boulder finals, and only 4 lead finals, but he did get a silver and a bronze from these
Expectations for Paris: Unlikely to feature in finals



WOMEN

Qualifiers from Bern World Championships

Janja Garnbret (SLO)
- Reigning Olympic champion
- As the kids say... she's the GOAT
- 2 golds from 2 world cups this year
- Nailed on favourite for the title - for me, only Natalia comes close in boulder, and there's nobody in lead who I'd back to reliably beat Janja.
- If you ever want to marvel at incredible she is, scroll through this page and then compare it to any other athlete of your choosing. Just look at all those 1s! If she's in a comp, she wins it.
Expectations for Paris: Odds on for gold medal

Jessica Pilz (AUT)
- Finalist from Tokyo 2020 (finished 7th)
- Only made a few boulder finals (none recently), but a real force in lead
- Rare to see her outside of lead finals, lots of medals
Expectations for Paris: Likely finalist, podium may be a stretch

Ai Mori (JPN)
- 6 lead comps since covid, 4 golds + 2 silvers
- Won the only ever boulder+lead world cup in Morioka
- Endless endurance - doesn't ever seem to let go, just keeps on holding on
- One of the shortest climbers, which can be her undoing, especially in boulder - although she is a multiple finalist in boulder world cups
Expectations for Paris: Surprised if she doesn't make finals, decent shout for podium as she should get big points for lead

Qualifiers from continental championships

Natalia Grossman (USA)
- Almost always a finalist, in both disciplines
- 3 time overall boulder winner, plus 10 World cup wins (pretty much whenever Janja doesn't win, it's Natalia)
- Slightly more modest success in lead, but still 6 WC medals
- Hard to be sure of her form this year, but 1 win from 1 comp (SLC boulder WC) counts for something
Expectations for Paris: Surely a finalist, where I would imagine both she and Janja will score heavy on boulder, and it'll be simple duel to get highest on the lead wall. Likely medal, colour t.b.d.

Oriane Bertone (FRA)
- Remember those strong French youths from the men's side? Well they've got strong young women too!
- Superb on the boulders, gaining multiple medals (lots of silvers, only losing out to, you guessed it, Natalia or Janja)
- Only a few lead semi finals
Expectations for Paris:Unlikely to win, but a medal is definitely a possibility, especially in front of a home crowd.

Zhang Yuetong (CHN)
- Climbed very well in 2019, with multiple finals in both disciplines, but not quite rediscovered that form since
- Had a superb comp to qualify from Asia, against a predictably strong field, so may be able to pull something out the bag
Expectations for Paris: I'd lean towards finals being a stretch, simply due to the quality of the other athletes to come

Oceana Mackenzie (AUS)
- 19th in Tokyo 2020
- Consistently upper end of semi finals, or finals, in boulder, with a career best of 4th this season
- Made a few lead semi finals, although not yet competed this year
- Qualified from Oceania region with a score of 199.9 - one dropped boulder away from the perfect comp
Expectations for Paris: Should improve on last time out, but finals might be a bit of an ask

Lauren Mukheibir (RSA)
- Like her South African teammate Mel in the mens, a real outsider
- Only competed in one world cup, a 49th in boulder in 2022.
Expectations for Paris: Not found much about her, but it seems fair to say that anything above 20th would be a massive result

Qualifiers from OQS

Brooke Raboutou (USA)
- Finalist in Tokyo 2020 (finished 5th)
- Queen on the OQS, with wins in both comps
- Almost surprising she wasn't already qualified - both she and Natalie were a league apart in the Pan American qualifier, but only one could go through then
- In approx 30 comps since covid, she has only been outside the top 10 once, and in the others, she's almost always in finals and in and around the medals
- Very well rounded across lead and boulder
Expectations for Paris: Good chance of at least matching her result from Tokyo, a contender for a medal

Miho Nonaka (JPN)
- Silver medalist from Tokyo 2020
- Regular boulder medalist, with a few lead finals in there too
- One of the few to maybe suffer from the removal of speed from the combined format
Expectations for Paris: I'd be surprised if she manages another Olympic medal, but finals certainly isn't out of the question

Erin McNeice (GBR)
- The new kid on the block for GB
- Third in both OQS events, with a good balance of lead and boulder scoring
- Not made many semi finals or finals but not entered many world cups either
- Those OQS medals were actually her first ever medals, senior or junior, so she's finding something at the right time
Expectations for Paris: A real surprise, I could see her maybe edging a spot in finals, but not sure she's quite got the experience to enter a medal discussion

Seo Chae-hyun (KOR)
- Finalist in Tokyo 2020 (finished 8th)
- Predominately a lead climber, she has had the occasional moment of magic in boulder
- Success in lead has come in the form of 12 WC medals from only a few more comps, only missing finals once
Expectations for Paris: No reason she can't make finals, but not sure she's got the edge to match the top contenders. Any improvement on last time should be the aim.

Luo Zhilu (CHN)
- Just 18 years old, although in her third senior season already
- Fairly unremarkable results, until this season where she's already scooped up a silver and a bronze from her only two world cups.
Expectations for Paris: Clearly showing signs of real form this season, I'd still be surprised if she got to finals but you never know

Ievgeniia Kazbekova (UKR)
- A good climber in both boulder and lead, with a few semi finals and finals in each
- Never quite broken into the upper levels of the comps, but she had a few good moments in 2023
Expectations for Paris: Not sure she'll make finals, but there's potential for a good day in either discipline to boost her chances

Mia Krampl (SLO)
- 18th in Tokyo 2020
- Feels like she's been around for years now, but still only 23
- Frequent lead finalist in recent years, with a fair few boulder finals previously too, and a world cup bronze in each
- Two world championship silver medals too, so she can clearly turn it on when it matters
Expectations for Paris: Finals feels like a bit of a long shot, but beating her previous ranking is certainly possible

Lucia Dörffel (GER)
- The biggest surprise qualifier
- Never made a final in a senior world competition, not many semis either
- Had a career best of 7th in SLC in May, then consistent OQS events to make it to Paris
Expectations for Paris: A real unknown quantity for me, finals would be a proper upset

Zélia Avezou (FRA)
- Sister of Sam from the men's list
- A few good European and Youth results, then the odd boulder final/lead semi final in the big ones, including a couple of 4ths
- Finishing ahead of the vastly more experienced Manon Hily and Helene Janicot to fill the second French slot was a big achievement at OQS
Expectations for Paris: Doubt she will make finals, but you'd never bet against an athlete in front of their home crowd

Camilla Moroni (ITA)
- Picked up her first boulder world cup medal in April, after numerous finals
- Fewer lead semi finals
- Quite varied performances overall, so whereas others always deliver, she'll be needing to find some form at the right time
Expectations for Paris: No finals would be my guess

Laura Rogora (ITA)
- 15th in Tokyo 2020
- A superb route climber, winning numerous medals in 2021/22 but settling to consistent semi-finalist and occasional finalist since
- Only made a few finals in boulder
- Lacks the power needed for modern boulders, but that doesn't necessarily stop her - such as skipping a swinging kick dyno by static-ing off a foothold this weekend in Budapest
Expectations for Paris: Similar to Mia, I'd be surprised if she can get into finals but somewhere near or above her previous Olympic result would be good, especially since her form has dropped marginally since then

Molly Thompson-Smith (GBR)
- Remarkable recovery from an ankle break to snatch the last Olympic spot
- Consistently up towards the finals spots in lead world cups, but often falling short - an unfortunate number of 9th positions
- Boulder semi finals are a rarity, meaning she'll need a good lead round to stand any chance of progressing
Expectations for Paris: Not sure she's got the recent results to justify a finals prediction, but if the route setting swings in the favour of lead climbers, she will be there to capitalise

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Looking back through my expectations, I'll summarise some finalist predictions (in no particular order):
Men's final: Jakob/Tomoa/Toby/Sorato/Lee/Adam/Sam/Colin
Women's final: Janja/Jessica/Ai/Natalia/Oriane/Brooke/Seo/Erin

If I even get 4/8 per final I'll be happy, there are a lot of people who could nick a spot!

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#2 Re: Paris Olympics 2024 Sport Climbing
June 24, 2024, 09:41:27 pm
Thanks for this, great summary.

What odds are you giving? :)

And what are viewing options? For live, highlights etc.

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#3 Re: Paris Olympics 2024 Sport Climbing
June 24, 2024, 10:01:52 pm
For the benefit of anyone who doesn't follow comps too closely, but is keen to understand a bit before the Olympics (especially now there's significant GB interest), I've written a summary of the full list of qualified athletes. This will be lead/boulder only (I know nothing about speed), and I will almost certainly get some assessments incorrect, feel free to call me out on anyone I poorly estimate. To be clear: the expectations are mine, not theirs!

Overall thoughts:

MEN

Qualifiers from Bern World Championships

Jakob Schubert (AUT)
- The ultimate seasoned veteran - 235 IFSC comps, since 2004
- Bronze in Tokyo 2020
- 6 World Champs wins, 7 World Cup season wins, 23 World Cup wins, 52 total World Cup medals
- Despite being one of the oldest that's still at the top of the sport, and predominately a lead specialist, he's adapted relatively well to the new style of boulders so can score heavily in both rounds on his day.
Expectations for Paris: Would be bold to bet against him getting another medal.

Colin Duffy (USA)
- Finalist from Tokyo 2020 (finished 7th)
- Slightly stronger lead climber than boulderer, but has won a world cup in each discipline
- Very intense competitor, expect loud roars when he tops a boulder
Expectations for Paris: Decent shout at finals, would be a little surprised if he got a podium but he managed it to make it here!

Tomoa Narasaki (JPN)
- A dominant force in bouldering since 2016, only vaguely fading this last year or two
- Finalist from Tokyo 2020 (finished 4th)
- Has won 25 World Cups medals, including 7 golds
- Also 3 time world champion
- Known for mastering the dynamic style so prevalent in modern comps, he's lacking the endurance on lead routes but a hard set of boulders and a big performance on the lead wall will put him up amongst the top contenders
Expectations for Paris: I'd expect him to make finals but maybe not quite get a medal

Qualifiers from continental championships
   
Jesse Grupper (USA)
- Reemerged on the scene in 2022 after a few years out from IFSC comps
- Excellent year with 2 golds, 1 silver, 1 bronze across world cups
- One of the weaker boulderers to qualify (highest world cup position is 27th), but strong enough on the routes to make up for it somewhat on the right day.
Expectations for Paris: Personally I would say finals would be a big achievement

Toby Roberts (GBR)
- The Brit with the best chance of a medal
- Grabbed a bronze at the end of 2022 in Edinburgh (lead), before a gold in each discipline in 2023
- Good start to this season, with 1st+4th+7th from his 3 comps
- Proper all rounder, has produced brilliant fights on head walls, and cruised boulders that other climbers have had to really fight on
Expectations for Paris: Finals will be a minimum, I think he'll believe a podium is certainly possible

Sorato Anraku (JPN)
- Had an incredible 2023, including 5 World Cup golds and both overalls, in his debut season on the senior circuit
- Like Toby, a complete all rounder - he's started this season with a medal of each colour, from just 3 comps
Expectations for Paris: Would be a big surprise if he didn't make finals, and a podium is easily within his reach

Campbell Harrison (AUS)
- Unlikely to feature given the high calibre field surrounding him
- A few lead semi finals under his belt, none in boulder
- Decent continental results, albeit a significantly different quality of competition compared to the world cups
Expectations for Paris: None - less scope for an upset via speed like the old format, but if the lead round is hard, he may be able to sneak a place or two up the board

Mel Janse van Rensburg (RSA)
- Even lower expectations than for Campbell
- Never even come top 60 in a world cup
Expectations for Paris: Anything better than 20th in Paris is an amazing result (I know this sounds patronising, but the contrast between his CV and everyone else's is quite stark)

Qualifiers from OQS

Lee Dohyun (KOR)
- Dominated the OQS, with a 1st and a 2nd
- Shot to success post-covid, after very mediocre results previously
- Has made a good number of finals, with a few medals, across the last few years
- Slight shoulder tweak recently, not that you'd know if with the OQS result
Expectations for Paris: Finals is a realistic aim, outside shot at a medal

Sam Avezou (FRA)
- Part of an influx of young French climbers that have enjoyed great success on the world cup circuit recently
- Fairly regular finalist, with the odd medal too
- Fairly balanced lead vs boulder, can have good performances in either or both.
Expectations for Paris: I'm sure a final in front of a home crowd would be the target, and it's a reasonable one
 
Adam Ondra (CZE)
- Has actually never won an international comp in a combined format
- Collective wish: he gets the gold, hangs up the comp shoes, unclimbed rocks everywhere fear for their lives
Expectations for Paris: Would be a little surprised if he misses finals, but would also be surprised if he gets a medal.

Alberto Ginés López (ESP)
- Reigning Olympic champion - the surprise winner from Tokyo
- A real wild card: last year he went from 29th in Bern to 2nd in Laval, just two months later.
- Only one silver and two bronze from his world cups, but a few more lead finals in there too
Expectations for Paris: Huge huge shock if he retains the title, not even a strong shout for finals, but he's definitely one of the hardest to predict

Hannes van Duysen (BEL)
- Another with a good 2023, he's won a few medals in boulder and had recent comparative success in lead
- Very good on a slab
- As with some other of these young guns, more is surely to come in future (he's only 19...)
Expectations for Paris: An outside chance at finals

Paul Jenft (FRA)
- The second young French star (beating Mejdi Schalk to this spot, a bit of an upset IMO)
- WC finalist in both disciplines, including one boulder bronze
- Noticeably tall (as debated in this thread here) which results in some interesting beta
Expectations for Paris: Similar chance of being a home finalist to Sam.

Yannick Flohé (GER)
- A frequent finalist in both boulder and lead, with not many but a few medals to show for it
- Insanely powerful, with very strong fingers, a favourable set of boulders could really set him apart from the rest
Expectations for Paris: Potential to make finals, might struggle to get more than that

Hamish McArthur (GBR)
- A bit of a dark horse, he's not quite regained the heights he managed in 2021 with two finals and a medal at World Champs
- Good balance across the disciplines, probably a slight strength in lead
- Qualification clearly meant a huge deal to him, would hope he can harness that, enjoy the comp, and let that bring him some success
Expectations for Paris: Realistically I think finals would be a bit of an upset, but you never know

Sascha Lehmann (SUI)
- Multiple lead WC medals and wins, far less success in boulder
- Honestly I thought he was too single-disciplined to make it to Paris, but he manages to pull it round with great progress deep into the lead routes.
Expectations for Paris: Unlikely to make finals, too many people more well rounded climbers

Alexander Megos (GER)
- 9th in Tokyo, despite coming 19th in speed
- In comps, he has not quite replicated the rock form that you may know him for
- 9 World Cup medals, all in lead, over 7 senior seasons
- Less success in boulder, although still a good number of semi finals
Expectations for Paris: Another who will probably miss out on finals again

Luka Potočar (SLO)
- Another lead specialist!
- Far more experience on routes, with a world championship silver to go with a few other world cup medals
- Never made a world cup semi final in boulder
Expectations for Paris: Would have to have the boulder round of his life to get near finals

Pan Yufei (CHN)
- 14th in Tokyo, despite coming 20th in speed
- No boulder finals, and only 4 lead finals, but he did get a silver and a bronze from these
Expectations for Paris: Unlikely to feature in finals



WOMEN

Qualifiers from Bern World Championships

Janja Garnbret (SLO)
- Reigning Olympic champion
- As the kids say... she's the GOAT
- 2 golds from 2 world cups this year
- Nailed on favourite for the title - for me, only Natalia comes close in boulder, and there's nobody in lead who I'd back to reliably beat Janja.
- If you ever want to marvel at incredible she is, scroll through this page and then compare it to any other athlete of your choosing. Just look at all those 1s! If she's in a comp, she wins it.
Expectations for Paris: Odds on for gold medal

Jessica Pilz (AUT)
- Finalist from Tokyo 2020 (finished 7th)
- Only made a few boulder finals (none recently), but a real force in lead
- Rare to see her outside of lead finals, lots of medals
Expectations for Paris: Likely finalist, podium may be a stretch

Ai Mori (JPN)
- 6 lead comps since covid, 4 golds + 2 silvers
- Won the only ever boulder+lead world cup in Morioka
- Endless endurance - doesn't ever seem to let go, just keeps on holding on
- One of the shortest climbers, which can be her undoing, especially in boulder - although she is a multiple finalist in boulder world cups
Expectations for Paris: Surprised if she doesn't make finals, decent shout for podium as she should get big points for lead

Qualifiers from continental championships

Natalia Grossman (USA)
- Almost always a finalist, in both disciplines
- 3 time overall boulder winner, plus 10 World cup wins (pretty much whenever Janja doesn't win, it's Natalia)
- Slightly more modest success in lead, but still 6 WC medals
- Hard to be sure of her form this year, but 1 win from 1 comp (SLC boulder WC) counts for something
Expectations for Paris: Surely a finalist, where I would imagine both she and Janja will score heavy on boulder, and it'll be simple duel to get highest on the lead wall. Likely medal, colour t.b.d.

Oriane Bertone (FRA)
- Remember those strong French youths from the men's side? Well they've got strong young women too!
- Superb on the boulders, gaining multiple medals (lots of silvers, only losing out to, you guessed it, Natalia or Janja)
- Only a few lead semi finals
Expectations for Paris:Unlikely to win, but a medal is definitely a possibility, especially in front of a home crowd.

Zhang Yuetong (CHN)
- Climbed very well in 2019, with multiple finals in both disciplines, but not quite rediscovered that form since
- Had a superb comp to qualify from Asia, against a predictably strong field, so may be able to pull something out the bag
Expectations for Paris: I'd lean towards finals being a stretch, simply due to the quality of the other athletes to come

Oceana Mackenzie (AUS)
- 19th in Tokyo 2020
- Consistently upper end of semi finals, or finals, in boulder, with a career best of 4th this season
- Made a few lead semi finals, although not yet competed this year
- Qualified from Oceania region with a score of 199.9 - one dropped boulder away from the perfect comp
Expectations for Paris: Should improve on last time out, but finals might be a bit of an ask

Lauren Mukheibir (RSA)
- Like her South African teammate Mel in the mens, a real outsider
- Only competed in one world cup, a 49th in boulder in 2022.
Expectations for Paris: Not found much about her, but it seems fair to say that anything above 20th would be a massive result

Qualifiers from OQS

Brooke Raboutou (USA)
- Finalist in Tokyo 2020 (finished 5th)
- Queen on the OQS, with wins in both comps
- Almost surprising she wasn't already qualified - both she and Natalie were a league apart in the Pan American qualifier, but only one could go through then
- In approx 30 comps since covid, she has only been outside the top 10 once, and in the others, she's almost always in finals and in and around the medals
- Very well rounded across lead and boulder
Expectations for Paris: Good chance of at least matching her result from Tokyo, a contender for a medal

Miho Nonaka (JPN)
- Silver medalist from Tokyo 2020
- Regular boulder medalist, with a few lead finals in there too
- One of the few to maybe suffer from the removal of speed from the combined format
Expectations for Paris: I'd be surprised if she manages another Olympic medal, but finals certainly isn't out of the question

Erin McNeice (GBR)
- The new kid on the block for GB
- Third in both OQS events, with a good balance of lead and boulder scoring
- Not made many semi finals or finals but not entered many world cups either
- Those OQS medals were actually her first ever medals, senior or junior, so she's finding something at the right time
Expectations for Paris: A real surprise, I could see her maybe edging a spot in finals, but not sure she's quite got the experience to enter a medal discussion

Seo Chae-hyun (KOR)
- Finalist in Tokyo 2020 (finished 8th)
- Predominately a lead climber, she has had the occasional moment of magic in boulder
- Success in lead has come in the form of 12 WC medals from only a few more comps, only missing finals once
Expectations for Paris: No reason she can't make finals, but not sure she's got the edge to match the top contenders. Any improvement on last time should be the aim.

Luo Zhilu (CHN)
- Just 18 years old, although in her third senior season already
- Fairly unremarkable results, until this season where she's already scooped up a silver and a bronze from her only two world cups.
Expectations for Paris: Clearly showing signs of real form this season, I'd still be surprised if she got to finals but you never know

Ievgeniia Kazbekova (UKR)
- A good climber in both boulder and lead, with a few semi finals and finals in each
- Never quite broken into the upper levels of the comps, but she had a few good moments in 2023
Expectations for Paris: Not sure she'll make finals, but there's potential for a good day in either discipline to boost her chances

Mia Krampl (SLO)
- 18th in Tokyo 2020
- Feels like she's been around for years now, but still only 23
- Frequent lead finalist in recent years, with a fair few boulder finals previously too, and a world cup bronze in each
- Two world championship silver medals too, so she can clearly turn it on when it matters
Expectations for Paris: Finals feels like a bit of a long shot, but beating her previous ranking is certainly possible

Lucia Dörffel (GER)
- The biggest surprise qualifier
- Never made a final in a senior world competition, not many semis either
- Had a career best of 7th in SLC in May, then consistent OQS events to make it to Paris
Expectations for Paris: A real unknown quantity for me, finals would be a proper upset

Zélia Avezou (FRA)
- Sister of Sam from the men's list
- A few good European and Youth results, then the odd boulder final/lead semi final in the big ones, including a couple of 4ths
- Finishing ahead of the vastly more experienced Manon Hily and Helene Janicot to fill the second French slot was a big achievement at OQS
Expectations for Paris: Doubt she will make finals, but you'd never bet against an athlete in front of their home crowd

Camilla Moroni (ITA)
- Picked up her first boulder world cup medal in April, after numerous finals
- Fewer lead semi finals
- Quite varied performances overall, so whereas others always deliver, she'll be needing to find some form at the right time
Expectations for Paris: No finals would be my guess

Laura Rogora (ITA)
- 15th in Tokyo 2020
- A superb route climber, winning numerous medals in 2021/22 but settling to consistent semi-finalist and occasional finalist since
- Only made a few finals in boulder
- Lacks the power needed for modern boulders, but that doesn't necessarily stop her - such as skipping a swinging kick dyno by static-ing off a foothold this weekend in Budapest
Expectations for Paris: Similar to Mia, I'd be surprised if she can get into finals but somewhere near or above her previous Olympic result would be good, especially since her form has dropped marginally since then

Molly Thompson-Smith (GBR)
- Remarkable recovery from an ankle break to snatch the last Olympic spot
- Consistently up towards the finals spots in lead world cups, but often falling short - an unfortunate number of 9th positions
- Boulder semi finals are a rarity, meaning she'll need a good lead round to stand any chance of progressing
Expectations for Paris: Not sure she's got the recent results to justify a finals prediction, but if the route setting swings in the favour of lead climbers, she will be there to capitalise

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Looking back through my expectations, I'll summarise some finalist predictions (in no particular order):
Men's final: Jakob/Tomoa/Toby/Sorato/Lee/Adam/Sam/Colin
Women's final: Janja/Jessica/Ai/Natalia/Oriane/Brooke/Seo/Erin

If I even get 4/8 per final I'll be happy, there are a lot of people who could nick a spot!

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#4 Re: Paris Olympics 2024 Sport Climbing
June 24, 2024, 10:11:29 pm
Thanks for this, great summary.

What odds are you giving? :)

And what are viewing options? For live, highlights etc.

Aha, I think I'd struggle to give long odds on anyone other than the South Africans I'm afraid! It's really up in the air.

As for viewing, I believe Discovery have the main broadcast rights, so it should be viewable via Discovery Plus. BBC will have some coverage, it's just limited to a few broadcasts at once, so they may only choose to show parts of the comp. This is helped by the full roster of Brits, and they've already done some reporting on Toby, so if he makes finals, I'd like to think it would be on BBC?
There may be highlights that pop up on Olympic website/BBC Sport website/Youtube, including the usual unofficial highlights makers on YouTube like
- Donkey Climb Media
- Climbing Rocks
- SaVie
but it depends on how eager the big broadcaster lawyers are to hunt them down and remove them

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June 24, 2024, 11:12:10 pm
That's a fantastic write up Ed!

Things I'd add:
- Natalia Grossman is currently climbing in a pretty hefty knee brace. Hopefully this heals up in time, but it could easily ruin things. Very reminiscent of Shauna's struggles in Tokyo. Will be a massive shame if it does hinder her, as I agree she's Janja's only viable competition.

- That said, I'm thoroughly looking forward to watching Oriane Bertone. In front of a home crowd....maybe, just maybe. She'd need to have the lead round of her life, but presumably that's something she's been working hard on having qualified early. One of only three people to have beaten Janja since 2021, the others being Natalia and Ai Mori.

- I've been really impressed with Alberto Gines-Lopez recently. He comes across as having something to prove, which I think in a lot of ways he really does considering he got rather lucky winning in Tokyo. He's clearly worked very hard on his bouldering and improved significantly, whilst he's still brilliant on a rope. I'd be surprised if he doesn't make finals especially if the boulder round goes his way.

- Ondra; currently struggling with a shoulder injury, which clearly stopped him in Budapest. If that clears up I'd be amazed if he didn't make finals.

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#6 Re: Paris Olympics 2024 Sport Climbing
June 24, 2024, 11:24:53 pm
Love it Edshakey! I'd expect nothing less from you based on the Barkley and Spine threads in years gone by.

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#7 Re: Paris Olympics 2024 Sport Climbing
June 24, 2024, 11:35:49 pm
Great post, thanks Ed!

Differences of opinion...
1}Alberto Gines Lopez I think is a stronger contender than you've said, consistently one of the very best lead, and better boulderer than given credit for.
2)Erin is surely more of a surprise qualifier than Lucia Dorffel. Perhaps because she had such an amazing result in Shanghai we got used to the idea, but before the OQS no one would have predicted it.
3)I don't think Janja is odds on. Big favourite yes, but there's 2 or 3 women close/level with her in lead (in the last year or so), and there's always a chance of the bouldering being a bit easy. If for whatever reason she doesn't come out of the bouldering with 10+ headstart on one of the other strong lead climbers it's all to play for.

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June 25, 2024, 07:50:49 am
Excellent post Ed.

Random relevant fact: Jakob Schubert and Adam Ondra between have taken more than half of all World Champion ship lead podium places since 2009 (14 out of 27 if I'm counting correctly). The last time neither of them was on on the podium was 2007; the last time one of them didn't win it was Ramonet in 2011

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June 25, 2024, 07:51:16 am
Great opening post, many thanks!

Just a detail, but it probably helps to get some perspective: Mel Janse van Rensburg who was predicted for last place in the op (which I concur with) and qualified via the African event where the hurdle is comparably low is still a decent climber, having sent 9a on rock (Speed Integrale at Voralpsee).

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Agree with Duma on Gines Lopez - there were a couple of problems in the semi-final round in Budapest where he made light work of them where others had struggled. Less noticeable in the finals, but I think he was carrying a bit of an injury. I’d say he will be a finalist, at which point it’s a bit of a lottery.

Separate to the above but linked to the lottery point, I’m becoming less and less convinced by the scoring system. With perfect setting then it can work pretty well, but that’s hard to achieve - especially in a final after a couple of days of competition and/or in hot conditions. I’d suggest it favours the lead climbers, particularly in a hard boulder round (I.e., low spread of boulder scores). Both scoring methods have an exponential element to them, but maybe harder to get the boulder element right.

I thought the Budapest men’s final worked pretty well - limited tops and a hard lead route. That said, there’s maybe an argument that there would be pressure for setters to “provide” more tops than the Budapest final where 4 climbers topped the same boulder and no others. Shanghai seemed to favour the lead result in the final.

Nothing scientific at this stage, more of a hunch from watching the OQS and the World Champs. Also less noticeable in the women’s (to me at least). Any thoughts?

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Great opening post, many thanks!

Just a detail, but it probably helps to get some perspective: Mel Janse van Rensburg who was predicted for last place in the op (which I concur with) and qualified via the African event where the hurdle is comparably low is still a decent climber, having sent 9a on rock (Speed Integrale at Voralpsee).

Megos and Ondra has onsighted 9a and Schubert has flashed 9a. Whereas Lopez has barely climbed outdoors, but flashed 8c+/9a indoors. As has Roberts(? I think?).  9a repoint is a good amateur level nowadays for male sportclimbers. Crazy eh...

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As Stabbsy says, given what's at stake and critical they get it absolutely right, could they recruit in a couple of the top competition boulderers who haven't qualified to test drive the boulders? The problems need to look impressive to the average punter, separate the field, and ideally still give just one (or maybe two) a top in each one.

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Sterling work Ed :punk:
If we're playing  this game, I'm going to really stick my neck out and go for the top 3...
In no particular order
Alberto
Sarato
Toby

Janja
Oriane
Natalia
Though I suspect the Men's could be a completely different three and Women's I couldn't decide between Brooke & Natalia so opted for the proven scientific method of ' Eeny, Meeny, Miney, Mo'.
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As Stabbsy says, given what's at stake and critical they get it absolutely right, could they recruit in a couple of the top competition boulderers who haven't qualified to test drive the boulders? The problems need to look impressive to the average punter, separate the field, and ideally still give just one (or maybe two) a top in each one.

That's certainly been done in world cups/world champs. I remember Killian Fischhuber talking in an interview about being brought in to do it in Innsbruck shortly after he retired.

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Great opening post, many thanks!

Just a detail, but it probably helps to get some perspective: Mel Janse van Rensburg who was predicted for last place in the op (which I concur with) and qualified via the African event where the hurdle is comparably low is still a decent climber, having sent 9a on rock (Speed Integrale at Voralpsee).
Interesting!

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Cheers all, glad to see some alternative takes and predictions - but also glad no one thinks I'm wildly wrong!

@Bradders:

Had forgotten about Natalia's injury, really hope that's sorted so she can give a strong challenge for the gold, she's definitely capable. Same with Oriane, hopefully she's at the top of her game. I imagine Janja wants this too, she seems to prefer a competitive competition!

@Duma:

That's true about Erin, probably a bit of British bias from me. Erin has made two WC finals this year, but relatively little before that. But yeah, both are huge shocks which I guarantee nobody would have called at the start of 2024. Would be cool if one of them can make the final! I tipped Erin for that only because of her OQS mainly - I suppose I'd settle on Erin being the bigger shock qualifier, but also more likely to make finals.

@all, re Alberto:

I did wonder if I was being a bit harsh by suggesting he wouldn't make finals, but I've looked it over again and he just isn't consistent enough to justify a better prediction.

1) He won the Olympics with 1st in speed, 7th in bouldering, 4th in lead. In that same comp, with the same multiplying scoring method, but where speed is removed, he would have come 7th. Or if Bassa Mawem didn't DNS, and won speed, Alberto also wouldn't have won overall. Basically, not sure as many people would be hyping him if he wasn't Olympic champ, and since the format changed, and since there was a fair dose of luck in Tokyo, it doesn't count for much any more.

2) His world cup scores are so inconsistent. Take his 2023 season:
- Boulder: 53 / 15 / 45 / 25 / 9 in world cups, 30 in world champs
- Lead: 8 / 54 / 3 in world cups, 24 in world champs
He's up against people who are just much more reliable at these big comps. He may have won a few bronzes here and there, but so has everyone else, that's pretty much expected at this level.

3) He came 2nd and 5th in OQS, in comps missing at least 5 of the big names. If he'd gone 1st and 1st I'd have said he's in good form and may be able to make it happen in Paris, but he didn't beat everyone at OQS and that wasn't even all of his competitors. He may have looked good on a few boulders but he still didn't win the comp ;)

I fully accept that he could pull something out the bag on the right day, but I don't think the chances of that are especially high, and there are just simply too many other incredible climbers above him.

He's probably going to show me up and win it now...

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Yeah don't get me wrong I'm certainly not suggesting that his being the reigning Olympic champion makes him the man to beat; Will summed his Olympic win up succinctly as it being won by the 5th best speed climber (based on time), 7th best boulderer and 4th best lead climber. He never should have won. I'm just saying he looks like he has something to prove and that might give him an edge.

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No disagreement on Erin - given her results in the OQS, she's certainly a good pick for finals!

I'm not tipping AGL to retain his title, agree that would be a shock, but think he's a good shout for finals and may well get in the podium fight. I'd put him in the group with Ondra, Tomoa et al but after after the top contenders Jakob, Toby, Sorato Anraku, and (since the OQS) Lee Dohyun

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What happened to Mickaël Mawem? I recall he had a nasty injury, torn bicep or similar? Or was that a while ago and he just didn't qualify?

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He tore it in the last Olympics, hopefully recovered now! according to their IG (lesfreresmawemofficiel) they are both fully fit.

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That was Bassa who tore his bicep in Tokyo. Mickael came 42nd in Shanghai, wonder if he just decided Budapest was not worth bothering with, too much ground to make up? A real shame, he's the reigning boulder world champion!

Bassa hasn't competed this year, tbf he is 39 so maybe he's just not competing anymore.

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Yeah don't get me wrong I'm certainly not suggesting that his being the reigning Olympic champion makes him the man to beat; Will summed his Olympic win up succinctly as it being won by the 5th best speed climber (based on time), 7th best boulderer and 4th best lead climber. He never should have won. I'm just saying he looks like he has something to prove and that might give him an edge.
Agree with above that Alberto probably shouldn't have won Gold last time but I have a sneaky feeling he's a man for the big occasion.
I tried to put a bet on just before the GE was announced but there was a massive queue at the bookies....

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I hope Alberto smashes it. I was pleased that he didn't get the "he's not a real winner" torrent online after 2021, admittedly he won due to the format, but it is what it is. That said, everyone knows that it was a bit unfortunate that it fell the way it did, and so I hope he proves he's got it in him to stand on that podium on his own merits

Needless to say though I'd definitely hope for medals for Team GB over anyone else!

 

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