Ah, I get seankenny's point now... though like I said, I don't notice a meaningful difference in shops between the countries in question.
This is jumpers for goalposts stuff surely, its hardly surprising that a supermarket in southern spain had globe artichokes given they are local to there! Ditto cuttle fish, I'm shocked that somewhere near the Med had a good selection of seafood.
in the style of those 'ooo remembers proper bin men' local facebook groups!
So child care can consist of having kids cook for the adults.
I've always used 'jumpers for goalposts' as shorthand for excessive nostalgia; ie, when people are looking back to a simpler time, when kids played football in the streets, nobody locked their doors,In this context I thought Stone's post could be paraphrased as 'back in the day shops sold proper food' and I was gently ribbing this.
Quote from: stone on January 30, 2024, 11:47:38 amSo child care can consist of having kids cook for the adults.That's not my definition of childcare. A child cooking roughly doubles parental workload.
I'm not familiar with how many cheese isles Waitrose has, though I guess less than 3 still!)
Quote from: abarro81 on January 30, 2024, 11:29:09 am I'm not familiar with how many cheese isles Waitrose has, though I guess less than 3 still!)A whole archipelago. Apparently.
Quote from: andy popp on January 30, 2024, 11:56:31 amQuote from: stone on January 30, 2024, 11:47:38 amSo child care can consist of having kids cook for the adults.That's not my definition of childcare. A child cooking roughly doubles parental workload.💯💯💯
When I was thirteen I started to cook for my younger sisters and my father. My father did the washing-up. My mom has told me that was one of the reasons she could travel to uni in another city during the weeks to take classes to change career. I'm sure she put in quite some time shopping and planning the meal though. I got a list of dishes and recipes for every week.
Quote from: andy popp on January 30, 2024, 11:56:31 amQuote from: stone on January 30, 2024, 11:47:38 amSo child care can consist of having kids cook for the adults.That's not my definition of childcare. A child cooking roughly doubles parental workload.I used to cook unsupervised from age 10 onwards. I'd call everyone when the food was ready and they'd eat it. How is that "doubling parental workload"?Anyway, my main point is that what is messed up is viewing cooking as being "workload". Cooking with kids or other family members can be fun, just like playing football with them or whatever. Obviously, with little kids, safety is important. I remember my brother getting very angry with my mum when he saw my three year old nephew stood on a chair to reach the worktop, with a chef's knife chopping carrots. My mum said my brother was being ridiculous because he and me had been doing the same at that age. I agreed with my brother.
Anyway, my main point is that what is messed up is viewing cooking as being "workload". Cooking with kids or other family members can be fun, just like playing football with them or whatever.
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We need the split of the split of the split at this point....If we talking about healthy eating, self cooked meals from scratch I would argue the majority above a certain level of income / living standards (and I know it's brutal below this) have the equipment to make the meals, and even taking gas/leccy into account I just can't bring myself to believe that it's not at least roughly cost neutral to make it yourself over buying ready meals.So if we're trying to fix the the issue below that level, it's a chronic issue and a political choice to be where we're at. The poverty issue needs fixed which would go hand in hand with better food, but I agree, just saying "cook it yourself" when life is depressingly challenging probably is not going to do much.However, for the vast bulk of society not cooking food is a choice. Yes, those hours need to come from somewhere, and with stressful jobs, kids etc.etc. it's not always easy but you can always shove netflix on, or listen to a podcast...hell...listen to one in another language - win win! It can be your 45 minutes of "mindfullness" for free...I'm in the fortunate position that I only work 4 days a week - but I didn't get there by chance, I pushed my last employer to do it (despite their reservations) and it went well for them! I forgo fancier cars, and expensive meals out and other luxuries (well, this year's a but different as I picked up a nice contract) but it's a CHOICE to have massive TV, BMW, bigger house etc. etc. and you CHOSE to work a higher pressure job to fund those things - most people should work less and make more time for things like cooking - it's all very good for the soul and body.What I find shit is that supermarket have destroyed the food system and wrapped it all in plastic, so you really have to go out your way in a lot of places to find good quality vegetables that actually taste of things and have good nutrient levels.Like Mischa I bake a sourdough a week (although slacking a bit recently as I ran out of flour and kept forgetting to buy more). Costs about £1/loaf for around 600gr and is 100% organic, and therefore much more nutritious. We also buy one a week with our veg box as a luxury. On an average week we spend £22 on our veg box, box of organic eggs and sourdough. We top that up with around £30 of shopping. We make the choice, even though it's bloody expensive, to have organic yoghurt as we eat it every day and the environment is important to us. So there you go, if we don't eat out, or make any special meals we spend around £25-30 each per week (oh, forgot about the bi-monthly wholefoods order - that's another £150, so another £10/wk. £30-£35/week for mostly organic and 100% self cooked meals. We'll treat ourselves every couple of weeks to a takeaway pizza or falafel or something...Now....having said all that, and the fact it's definitely a choice...I know how incredibly DIFFICULT it is to get started because of what's actually available, and what the job market is like, and what culture is like. It's a big shift, but it's totally doable.No doubt my middle class, no kids, privilege will oozing out of this....
That’s pretty much the thrust of the Vittles article I linked further up and it brings in schools and hospitals too.
This creates a sense of urgency that keeps us focused on food as the issue, rather than the social, political, and structural forces that shape our lives and our experiences of well-being. Instead of rallying against systematic underfunding and the backdoor privatisation of healthcare, we’re occupied with finding minimally processed alternatives to Dairy Milk.
I still can't believe most households actually need 2 x 5 days of income (saying that in a household with 2 toddlers and my wife being a full time student on maternal leave)
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