It depends on the rock, how wet it is, and the use.If the rock is very hard it could be really wet and light traffic up an easy route still wouldn't do any damage.
It would be simpler for you, yes, because you've got no desire to climb easy routes on damp days. But that would preclude other people from doing things that they want to do which cause no harm.
Quote from: Will Hunt on April 08, 2023, 09:03:09 amIt depends on the rock, how wet it is, and the use.If the rock is very hard it could be really wet and light traffic up an easy route still wouldn't do any damage.Im talking about grit around stanage and burbage where they usually do those RCI assessments. I only ask this because even though kingy mentions easy V Diff routes etc surely that gives mixed messages to punters who might see people out climbing on drenched rock which might then make them believe it’s ok in any scenario. Aren’t there also cases where these easy climbs have big flakes and jugs which might snap if they’re wet?Personally for me I would ban all climbing on wet grit and sandstone regardless of difficulty but this post was more to bring attention to the fact that I’m often going for walks or driving past burbage north and seeing these companies taking people out on wet grit.
Quote from: Dingdong on April 08, 2023, 09:40:19 amQuote from: Will Hunt on April 08, 2023, 09:03:09 amIt depends on the rock, how wet it is, and the use.If the rock is very hard it could be really wet and light traffic up an easy route still wouldn't do any damage.Im talking about grit around stanage and burbage where they usually do those RCI assessments. I only ask this because even though kingy mentions easy V Diff routes etc surely that gives mixed messages to punters who might see people out climbing on drenched rock which might then make them believe it’s ok in any scenario. Aren’t there also cases where these easy climbs have big flakes and jugs which might snap if they’re wet?Personally for me I would ban all climbing on wet grit and sandstone regardless of difficulty but this post was more to bring attention to the fact that I’m often going for walks or driving past burbage north and seeing these companies taking people out on wet grit.Ban maybe not the right word mind you, not like there's any official regulations or whatever. Ultimately we don't climb on wet rock due to a general consensus that we shouldn't for various (good) reasons, but it's really just an in-community thing.
Should ask this question on ukc
Quote from: Wellsy on April 08, 2023, 10:16:51 amQuote from: Dingdong on April 08, 2023, 09:40:19 amQuote from: Will Hunt on April 08, 2023, 09:03:09 amIt depends on the rock, how wet it is, and the use.If the rock is very hard it could be really wet and light traffic up an easy route still wouldn't do any damage.Im talking about grit around stanage and burbage where they usually do those RCI assessments. I only ask this because even though kingy mentions easy V Diff routes etc surely that gives mixed messages to punters who might see people out climbing on drenched rock which might then make them believe it’s ok in any scenario. Aren’t there also cases where these easy climbs have big flakes and jugs which might snap if they’re wet?Personally for me I would ban all climbing on wet grit and sandstone regardless of difficulty but this post was more to bring attention to the fact that I’m often going for walks or driving past burbage north and seeing these companies taking people out on wet grit.Ban maybe not the right word mind you, not like there's any official regulations or whatever. Ultimately we don't climb on wet rock due to a general consensus that we shouldn't for various (good) reasons, but it's really just an in-community thing.Why not? We can ban things like drilling bolts, access to certain crags etc - how different is wearing down and polishing rock, potentially breaking off flakes and jugs to drilling anchor bolts at the top of routes?
Quote from: Dingdong on April 08, 2023, 10:19:04 amQuote from: Wellsy on April 08, 2023, 10:16:51 amQuote from: Dingdong on April 08, 2023, 09:40:19 amQuote from: Will Hunt on April 08, 2023, 09:03:09 amIt depends on the rock, how wet it is, and the use.If the rock is very hard it could be really wet and light traffic up an easy route still wouldn't do any damage.Im talking about grit around stanage and burbage where they usually do those RCI assessments. I only ask this because even though kingy mentions easy V Diff routes etc surely that gives mixed messages to punters who might see people out climbing on drenched rock which might then make them believe it’s ok in any scenario. Aren’t there also cases where these easy climbs have big flakes and jugs which might snap if they’re wet?Personally for me I would ban all climbing on wet grit and sandstone regardless of difficulty but this post was more to bring attention to the fact that I’m often going for walks or driving past burbage north and seeing these companies taking people out on wet grit.Ban maybe not the right word mind you, not like there's any official regulations or whatever. Ultimately we don't climb on wet rock due to a general consensus that we shouldn't for various (good) reasons, but it's really just an in-community thing.Why not? We can ban things like drilling bolts, access to certain crags etc - how different is wearing down and polishing rock, potentially breaking off flakes and jugs to drilling anchor bolts at the top of routes?Access is legally regulated. Bolting is debatable depending on where. There's no law saying you can't climb on wet rock on publicly accessible land, nor imo should there be.
Climbing wet v diff cracks in the rain wouldn't be a problem IMO. I started climbing toproping with a group in just such a scenario. Obvs this is very different to bouldering.
I wouldn't say elitism. Entry level climbs are accessible to all and usually have many different options in terms of larger hands and footholds which are probably less prone to damage in the wet than the smaller holds of more difficult climbs. Per se, climbing in the wet is not desirable for the reasons stated in the this thread, however there are commercial interests at play in terms of guiding etc. I have no perspective on companies taking their clients out in the wet, my day out with a group was in the 90s, I doubt anybody thought about it much back then.
Quote from: Wellsy on April 08, 2023, 10:21:47 amQuote from: Dingdong on April 08, 2023, 10:19:04 amQuote from: Wellsy on April 08, 2023, 10:16:51 amQuote from: Dingdong on April 08, 2023, 09:40:19 amQuote from: Will Hunt on April 08, 2023, 09:03:09 amIt depends on the rock, how wet it is, and the use.If the rock is very hard it could be really wet and light traffic up an easy route still wouldn't do any damage.Im talking about grit around stanage and burbage where they usually do those RCI assessments. I only ask this because even though kingy mentions easy V Diff routes etc surely that gives mixed messages to punters who might see people out climbing on drenched rock which might then make them believe it’s ok in any scenario. Aren’t there also cases where these easy climbs have big flakes and jugs which might snap if they’re wet?Personally for me I would ban all climbing on wet grit and sandstone regardless of difficulty but this post was more to bring attention to the fact that I’m often going for walks or driving past burbage north and seeing these companies taking people out on wet grit.Ban maybe not the right word mind you, not like there's any official regulations or whatever. Ultimately we don't climb on wet rock due to a general consensus that we shouldn't for various (good) reasons, but it's really just an in-community thing.Why not? We can ban things like drilling bolts, access to certain crags etc - how different is wearing down and polishing rock, potentially breaking off flakes and jugs to drilling anchor bolts at the top of routes?Access is legally regulated. Bolting is debatable depending on where. There's no law saying you can't climb on wet rock on publicly accessible land, nor imo should there be.Pretty sure bolting on grit in the peak is not debatable