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Will Hunt:
Thanks Steve.
I don't mind the feedback. In this case I'd defend the decision not to include those crags. Goldsborough and Healaugh sit somewhat outside the areas covered.
We were going to include Blue Scar (Steve and Karin were down to write it up and the plan was just to include the trad given the access situation at the time) and I actually have all the base topo photos shot from a beautiful early morning (when a flock of zombie sheep nearly ate me and Daisy alive, but that's another story) doing the rounds of Littondale. When Steve and Karin could no longer write the script it prompted a rethink. The scale of the book was becoming clearer and you have to draw the line somewhere. Although the crag is obviously very good, the trad is almost exclusively hard and seldom traveled.
I asked Dave Musgrove a while ago whether it was possible to walk into Blue another way and he said it would be arduous enough to not seem worthwhile. Jim has since been via an approach which he says is no fuss, parks in the village, and doesn't go over what's-his-name's land. If we can sort the access and someone (Steve and Karin, I'm looking at you) wants to write up the sport and trad, then I reckon we could put together a PDF download in the Wired style. Could pop it online for 50p or something. As I say, I've got all the topo photos with not a drop of seepage on the crag.
Will Hunt:
Alternatively, we pick a sucker keen young climber (Jim, I'm looking at you) to edit a limestone definitive guide, I'll muck in and provide as much support as I can, and Blue will be in that.
Steve Crowe:
--- Quote from: Will Hunt on May 06, 2022, 06:47:08 pm ---Thanks Steve.
I don't mind the feedback. In this case I'd defend the decision not to include those crags. Goldsborough and Healaugh sit somewhat outside the areas covered.
We were going to include Blue Scar (Steve and Karin were down to write it up and the plan was just to include the trad given the access situation at the time) and I actually have all the base topo photos shot from a beautiful early morning (when a flock of zombie sheep nearly ate me and Daisy alive, but that's another story) doing the rounds of Littondale. When Steve and Karin could no longer write the script it prompted a rethink. The scale of the book was becoming clearer and you have to draw the line somewhere. Although the crag is obviously very good, the trad is almost exclusively hard and seldom traveled.
I asked Dave Musgrove a while ago whether it was possible to walk into Blue another way and he said it would be arduous enough to not seem worthwhile. Jim has since been via an approach which he says is no fuss, parks in the village, and doesn't go over what's-his-name's land. If we can sort the access and someone (Steve and Karin, I'm looking at you) wants to write up the sport and trad, then I reckon we could put together a PDF download in the Wired style. Could pop it online for 50p or something. As I say, I've got all the topo photos with not a drop of seepage on the crag.
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Karin and I would certainly be happy to contribute an up to date definitive description for Blue Scar. You could make it free as a sampler for the printed guide and written in the same style if we could keep the Wired production team together for one last gig?
Fiend:
--- Quote from: Will Hunt on May 06, 2022, 06:52:51 pm ---Alternatively, we pick a sucker keen young climber (Jim, I'm looking at you) to edit a limestone definitive guide, I'll muck in and provide as much support as I can, and Blue will be in that.
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Eagerly awaiting this so I can finally bin Northern Limestone and then I'm down to the two actually valid Rockfaxes in the UK - South Wales Sport Climbs and Clwyd Limestone.
Will Hunt:
--- Quote from: Duncan campbell on May 06, 2022, 06:11:22 pm ---Something I am interested in though and maybe you could answer… what is the craic with these “Wired Guides”? What actually is Wired? Seems like FRCC did the Lakes one, the CC/Emma and Paul did Pembroke, did Niall and the BMC do the Peak? Did “Wired” approach you and ask you to do a guide for them?
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Bit more on Wired:
--- Quote from: Will Hunt on March 03, 2022, 01:57:48 pm ---The total market for guidebooks hasn't changed hugely, but a greater and greater share of that market goes to select guides (and also apps now I guess). When you consider the amount of effort that goes into producing a guide, there are a number of definitives which might very well dwindle out as not enough people are interested in buying them.
Wired is something which the definitive-producing clubs and organisations formed together. It's a co-operative that allows them to produce select guides under a common brand and hopefully reclaim a bit of that market share (when it comes to selling books a recognisable brand is hugely important), from which the proceeds can go back into climbing-related projects such as producing definitives.
To say that Wired aims to document the whole of the UK is a bit of a stretch in my view, but most of the UK's major areas are covered in definitives produced by Wired members and thus you'd expect them to feature in a Wired select.
Scottish Rock is just slightly bigger than Northern Rock (by 8 pages I think, I was livid when I found out :)) and will be out soon; Welsh Rock is in production at the moment though I'm not sure how far along they are.
Having access to that network of experienced people was really useful. Steve Scott of the FRCC was particularly helpful, as were Ken Taylor and Al Davis who did a ridiculous amount of proof-reading. They're all FRCC members but they all mucked in and did a tonne of work for our book.
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