[abarro81]

I'm afraid you're onto a losing one here Andy...

[DAVETHOMAS90]

Though that does misrepresent the point that Andy is trying to make.

I wouldn't refer to any of this as being about making false claims though either.
There's been no act of deception, but if there's one common feature of social media, it's the redefining of things to suit the applause.
What gets applauded is true.

Except it isn't.

Unfortunately, the "one true line" in this case isn't quite that either.

[mrjonathanr]

the redefining of things to suit the applause..

You should put that on a T shirt 👍

[Doylo]

Couple of truths:
Climbing something the easiest way is definitely not what eliminate means.

Climbing the vert wall to the right of the steep overhang likely isn’t the same grade. 

Andy has a picture of Franco on a dart board at home.

[teestub]

Climbing the vert wall to the right of the steep overhang likely isn’t the same grade. 

FWIW I suspect my sequence and the original one are the same/similar Trad grades. Both pretty safe and pretty hard, but made significantly easier with modern padding.

As the height and landing are the same, this would suggest Franco thinks the climbing difficulty (i.e. Font 7C+/8A) is similar too.

[Andy F]

Couple of truths:
Andy has a picture of Franco on a dart board at home.

Incorrect. It's on the crossbow target mannequin 

[petejh]

Andy can you show us on the dolly where Franco hurt you?

[ferret]

In Doyle's style:

From where they diverge neither sequence eliminates any holds. They are not eliminates.

Climbing a wall is not climbing a prow.

Franco was clear about his sequence but headline/title was potentially misleading.

Francos achievement is impressive.

His willingness to discuss it on here should be applauded.

[andy moles]

Andy F is not motivated by beef - only by Justice.

 

[shark]

I sat under under this today (in my armchair) and it looks a bit different to the way it looks in the films. Firstly whilst as a feature it’s definitely a Prow it’s a very rounded sort of Prow - it’s not the sort of Prow that you can hug or something you could remotely lay off let along layback. Visually the way Franco went on the right looks to be the more obvious way to go given the holds available on that side especially as the Prow as a feature doesn’t supply any holds. A line further left then keeping on the left side of the Prow would be an obvious separate line but there aren’t enough holds to climb it (he says). Just saying.

[DAVETHOMAS90]

It sounds as though your talking about Paddington Bear 

He's not your usual type of bear, in the usual cuddly way..

This is all far too balanced Shark.


..there aren’t enough holds to climb it (he says) 

[mark s]

Climbing the obvious big prow as far as possible is hardly an eliminate. Avoiding the difficulties is an eliminate.

The easiest way is the route.

Well done Franco,wish I wound people up as well as you do. 

[Andy F]

Climbing the obvious big prow as far as possible is hardly an eliminate. Avoiding the difficulties is an eliminate.

The easiest way is the route.

Well done Franco,wish I wound people up as well as you do. 

The route is the route. It's the first ascentionists vision. To climb a different line isn't the line.

Franco doesn't wind me up. To quote BA Baracus "I pity the fool"

[Adam Lincoln]

Climbing the obvious big prow as far as possible is hardly an eliminate. Avoiding the difficulties is an eliminate.

The easiest way is the route.

Well done Franco,wish I wound people up as well as you do. 

The route is the route. It's the first ascentionists vision. To climb a different line isn't the line.

Franco doesn't wind me up. To quote BA Baracus "I pity the fool"

When you climbed New Age Traveller Andy, did you do it the original way like the FA or did you do it like everyone else does and cheat by going left?

[carlisle slapper]

 

[yetix]

It's private???

[Doylo]

Still E9 though? Looks like Indian Face on acid.
UKC article about persecution incoming.

[webbo]

[abarro81]

 

[Will Hunt]

 

You know those easy, featured walls you get at crags where the guide has to resort to saying "the wall to the right has been climbed everywhere at MVS", who'd have thought that would happen to The Prow?

Top marks for inclusion of Bluey.

[Duma]

Genius

[petejh]

 
Brilliant

[edshakey]

You know those easy, featured walls you get at crags where the guide has to resort to saying "the wall to the right has been climbed everywhere at MVS", who'd have thought that would happen to The Prow?

Too late to get your new guide back from the publishers and add that in?

[Bonjoy]

 

[Will Hunt]

You know those easy, featured walls you get at crags where the guide has to resort to saying "the wall to the right has been climbed everywhere at MVS", who'd have thought that would happen to The Prow?

Too late to get your new guide back from the publishers and add that in?

Certainly too late to give Varian the Librarian a Font grade