In fairness the rules on the ukc page for weekend only acess is hidden behind a thing you have to click. Its need to be more clear imo. Its a crag that is popular with indoor climbers who only go out every so often so many people wont be aware of the rules and will unlikely care to click and read the section about acess issues.I think that if the access is set to red it shows the acess issues regardless if you click on it or not.
Quote from: CapitalistPunter on June 14, 2022, 02:16:21 pmIn fairness the rules on the ukc page for weekend only acess is hidden behind a thing you have to click. Its need to be more clear imo. Its a crag that is popular with indoor climbers who only go out every so often so many people wont be aware of the rules and will unlikely care to click and read the section about acess issues.I think that if the access is set to red it shows the acess issues regardless if you click on it or not.Even accounting for this, which isn't the case when viewed on a laptop, theres still a massive sign on the gate, so I don't buy that this is even a remotely tricky case to be honest. Even if people have fucked up and not done their research, if they arrive there and ignore a sign they're dicks.
Playing devil's advocate; I get that the landowners have every right to make the rules (although that's a wider debate ), the six person limit seems both strange and very hard to comply with. Why six? Why not four, or eight? Why does allowing six at a time make access allowable?
stuff like this is why anyone advocating for "growing the sport" is an idiot.
P.S. stuff like this is why anyone advocating for "growing the sport" is an idiot.
I really don't like these types of comments, they seem really elitist.
Playing devil's advocate; I get that the landowners have every right to make the rules (although that's a wider debate ), the six person limit seems both strange and very hard to comply with. Why six? Why not four, or eight? Why does allowing six at a time make access allowable? Bringing this up because whilst "the rules" should be respected they also need to be reasonable, and it strikes me that that particular one probably isn't. Particularly in the context of access only being allowed on select days as well; giving an extremely narrow window of opportunity for a large and growing community.
Quote from: JamieG on June 15, 2022, 01:34:06 pmI really don't like these types of comments, they seem really elitist. It's not elitist, but it is passively exclusionary. And yes, it's selfish, as climbing is and as many things we do in life are. I don't think I have a big problem with that in this context. (P.s. northern - why is it hypocritical? All of us make judgements about things which are selfish which we think are ok, and things which are selfish which we don't like, we just draw lines in slightly different places) +1 to thread split